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Is LT2 an all time top 5 RB? (1 Viewer)
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I would go as far as calling him the best ever.
And I'm 36 ;-)
And I'm 36 ;-)
spider321
Footballguy
Really?!Over Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, AND Walter Payton?!?!Put down the crack pipe Bigboy!!!!
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Putting him over a RB as limited as Sanders is easy, this "great" wasn't even trusted to get inches when needed. Was he fun to watch? Hell yeah, but as a runner was the only thing he was great at. Same with Jim Brown. Just and incredible players for his time. Sort of like comparing Wilt to Jordan, it's tough but I have to go with playing in this era as the edge. Now Walter makes it close. Another player who could just do it all but I still believe LT had more game to him, it's kind of hard to put my finger on it but I could see Payton and LT being 1 and 1a
efactor
Footballguy
If you take into consideration his entire skill set and durability , I say yes.
The only RB's I can clearly put in front of him are:
Jim Brown: Never saw him play but EVERYONE who played against him says he was the best
Walter Payton: Best all around back ever
Barry Sanders: Best pure runner
OJ was the a better pure runner, but not a good receiver and had injury issues. I think Emmitt was a product of a great offensive line (maybe the best of the last 30 years). Faulk was close, but I think LT was a better runner.
My 2 cents anyway..........
The only RB's I can clearly put in front of him are:
Jim Brown: Never saw him play but EVERYONE who played against him says he was the best
Walter Payton: Best all around back ever
Barry Sanders: Best pure runner
OJ was the a better pure runner, but not a good receiver and had injury issues. I think Emmitt was a product of a great offensive line (maybe the best of the last 30 years). Faulk was close, but I think LT was a better runner.
My 2 cents anyway..........
cobalt_27
Footballguy
YesNoNoAbsolutely better than Sanders.Can't push him over Brown or Payton, though.
LT2?When was Tomlinson ever called that?
I don't understand why many people have such a major problem calling the guy "LT". It is just his initials for crying out loud. The silly deference being shown to Lawrence Taylor is ridiculous.
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Polar Dude
Footballguy
We have a tendency to be blinded by what we have seen most recently. But at his peak, Tomlinson's elusiveness was only topped by Barry Sanders. Tomlinson could also break a tackle and plant a stiff-arm that would knock defenders' helmets off. His versatilty as a back was only rivaled by Walter Payton. His nose for the end zone even surpassed Jim Brown's. Behind good offensive lines and bad ones, there was very little weakness in his game.
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
If the argument is statistically, then yes.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
He was the biggest quitter I ever saw.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
Thanks for playing.
"gayle"???You cannot possibly be very familiar with that fellow.
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SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Not even close.
Catbird
Footballguy
I don't think you can make him compete against both Sayers and Emmitt in the same meaning of "all time top 5 RB."
If its top 5 RBs in their prime, I don't put LT ahead of Brown, Sayers, Campbell, Sanders or Payton. Maybe even OJ. But awfully close. If its best 5 RB careers? I think he was so great for so long that he probably ranks with Brown and Sanders (who didn't go THAT long but long enough) and Payton in the top 4. I'd probably add Dickerson or Emmitt for this group.
If its top 5 RBs in their prime, I don't put LT ahead of Brown, Sayers, Campbell, Sanders or Payton. Maybe even OJ. But awfully close. If its best 5 RB careers? I think he was so great for so long that he probably ranks with Brown and Sanders (who didn't go THAT long but long enough) and Payton in the top 4. I'd probably add Dickerson or Emmitt for this group.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Well, he's currently 2nd all-time in rush TDs. 8th all-time in rush yards.I'd say that qualifies as "close."
Clinton
Footballguy
Tomlinson is a better all around back, but Gale Sayers was more elusive than Tomlinson.The jury is still out, but Chris Johnson has the potential to top Tomlinson in elusiveness as well.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Close but no cigar. He is probably top 10, but top 5? Not quite. I just cannot put him above Brown, Sanders, Payton, Faulk, Simpson and possibly a few others.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Excuse me while I throw up.God, and to think this is a place supposedly for serious football fans.Tomlinson is a better all around back, but Gale Sayers was more elusive than Tomlinson.The jury is still out, but Chris Johnson has the potential to top Tomlinson in elusiveness as well.
daveR
Footballguy
HA!Taylor was one of the most dominant players ever -- a first ballot HOFer without question!
Put another way, Taylor belongs in the GOAT discussions. Tomlinson, outstanding as he was, does not.
Clinton
Footballguy
You never saw Sayers play, did you?And what about the word "potential" is confusing? Did Johnson just not rip off a 2,000 yard season primarily on his speed and elusiveness?Excuse me while I go laugh at you.Excuse me while I throw up.God, and to think this is a place supposedly for serious football fans.Tomlinson is a better all around back, but Gale Sayers was more elusive than Tomlinson.The jury is still out, but Chris Johnson has the potential to top Tomlinson in elusiveness as well.
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What was the problem with my comment?Nowhere did I write that Taylor was not one of the greatest players of all time.
My only point was that many, many people have the initials LT. It is not wrong to call Tomlinson "LT". It's his damn initials, folks. It's not truly a nickname!
People insisting on calling Tomlinson "LDT" or "LT2" are out of their minds.
Edit- Okay, I see you grossly misinterpreted my initial Taylor remark.
Here's the deal. Some ignorant people think it is wrong to call Tomlinson by his initials because Taylor has the same initials. In turn, these players were both nicknamed after their initials. Ehh, enough.
It's pet peeve of mine. People who are of the mindset, "Oh no. Can't call Tomlinson LT because that nickname was already handed out to the great Lawrence Taylor. God forbid two people have the same nickname."
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Polar Dude
Footballguy
This is truly where our outrage should lie. Two of the greatest players to ever play their positions, and the best we as fans could do was to call them by their initials? We have gotten lazy. I mean, how many nicknames did old-timers like Joe DiMaggio have? And we can't even come up with one decent one between the two of them.
MaddHatter
Footballguy
Chris Johnson might have something to say about this in eight seasons.
Yeah, really.Nicknames seemed to be better 30, 40, 50, 60 years ago. Then again, how many Whiteys were there back in the day?How about Red? Look at the first four 49ers head coaches. One was Red Strader. Another was Red Hickey.
Polar Dude
Footballguy
Let's start the movement... LaDainian "Whitey" Tomlinson!
The problem with Smith is that some people say that Dorsett was the best Dallas RB. I am not saying I agree with that, but Dorsett did have a better rushing average (4.3 to 4.2, for what that is worth) and was at least as good a pass receiver as Smith. I'd maybe put both Dorsett and Smith in my top 10 and if I did both would be in the 6-10 range.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl/playe...i?search=whiteyLook at all the baseball Whiteys. Notice how we don't see Whitey2, Whitey3, Whitey4, Whitey5, etc.
buster c
Footballguy
are you talking about LT2 sitting on the bench wearing a parka during a playoff game when Rivers played with a torn ACL? That quitting?
rock753
Footballguy
LT is Lawence Taylor, always will be.
rock753
Footballguy
You do understand that the only reason that he quit when he did, was that he didn't want to take Peyton's record.......
Whoever said he isn't always going to be LT?Whoever said Taylor has to be the only LT?
Polar Dude
Footballguy
Doing a Google search for LT is interesting.
daveR
Footballguy
Yeah. Okay. I thought you were saying deference to Taylor was silly. I have no problem calling Tomlinson "LT" also.
On numerous football boards I see people refuse to call Tomlinson "LT" because they think the nickname is taken already. I've seen people conclude that nobody should share nicknames especially if the first guy is a legend. To me, that is ridiculous, partly because in this case we are really talking about initials.
Clinton
Footballguy
Here's the NFL Network's list of The Top 10 Most Elusive Runners in NFL History...http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=090...mp;confirm=trueExcuse me while I throw up.God, and to think this is a place supposedly for serious football fans.Tomlinson is a better all around back, but Gale Sayers was more elusive than Tomlinson.The jury is still out, but Chris Johnson has the potential to top Tomlinson in elusiveness as well.
... with Sanders #1, and Sayers #2.
I suppose the collection of coaches, players, and experts they had vote on it aren't "serious football fans" either.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I'd put him in the top 5 but not #1
Payton (they best, no question in my mind)
Sanders (think of what he did and then remember how bad his teams were)
Jim Brown (great but I would like to see how he would be in today's game where a rb has to do more than run)
LT and Emmitt (the same guy in my opinion. I think people don't respect Emmitt for how good he was for as long as he did it. Dude had some GUTS.)
Edge and Bo (would have nice to see what these 2 could have done if they stayed healthy) they both had great starts to their careers
Payton (they best, no question in my mind)
Sanders (think of what he did and then remember how bad his teams were)
Jim Brown (great but I would like to see how he would be in today's game where a rb has to do more than run)
LT and Emmitt (the same guy in my opinion. I think people don't respect Emmitt for how good he was for as long as he did it. Dude had some GUTS.)
Edge and Bo (would have nice to see what these 2 could have done if they stayed healthy) they both had great starts to their careers
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Thank you.
Whitey Tomlinson was very effective but i never was afraid of him when the steelers played the chargers.
sanders was a terror and shredded rod woodson's knee one year, everyone that played against brown says he easily could run by you or over you, sweetness played on some really bad teams that couldn't pass and he still performed unbelievably well, and earl campbell was dangerous. marshall was scary too.
i'll give LWT top 10, but i think he just misses the top 5.
sanders was a terror and shredded rod woodson's knee one year, everyone that played against brown says he easily could run by you or over you, sweetness played on some really bad teams that couldn't pass and he still performed unbelievably well, and earl campbell was dangerous. marshall was scary too.
i'll give LWT top 10, but i think he just misses the top 5.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Unfortunately after Jimmy Johnson was run off they stop throwing to Emmitt but while Jimmy was there Emmitt had some of this best hands I've seen of any Cowboy running back and nearly every time he made the first guy miss.
fissure man
Footballguy
I'm sorry, but I can't put a guy who was garbage in the playoffs in the top 5. I could very easily forgive a guy who had very little playoff games above a guy who had 7 games and did as poorly as Tomlinson did. paper champ going against some of the worst defenses in the league twice a year.10 guys I would take over Tomlinson:Jim BrownOJ SimpsonEarl CampbellMarcus AllenEmmitt SmithTony DorsettBarry SandersMarshall FaulkWalter PaytonCurtis Martin
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
There are many, many ways to rank RBs "statistically."I ranked Tomlinson as the 6th most dominant RB in NFL history before this past season (and I'm almost positive he did not do enough to move into 5th place)
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=2042
In terms of the most statistically dominant, including the post-season, I went:
Brown
Smith
Sanders
Faulk
Payton
Excluding the post-season keeps LT at 6 but drops Emmitt to #5.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
You should be embarrassed to say things like this.efactor said:
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Brown
Payton
Smith
Campbell
Tomlinson
Payton
Smith
Campbell
Tomlinson
