is Maclin > Desean Jackson? (1 Viewer)

[sportsmonkey_j]

How do you think these guys compare? They seem to have a similar skill set.

Both are great punt returners. I've heard Jackson is a bit faster, but when I see clips of Maclin, his game speed looks untouchable. It also seems like Maclins hands are better and he certainly doesnt seem to have the character issues that have been associated with Jackson.

 

[TheFanatic]

How do you think these guys compare? They seem to have a similar skill set.Both are great punt returners. I've heard Jackson is a bit faster, but when I see clips of Maclin, his game speed looks untouchable. It also seems like Maclins hands are better and he certainly doesnt seem to have the character issues that have been associated with Jackson.

Maclin is said to be capable of sub 4.4 numbers in the 40. Not sure how DeSean can be faster. That being said, Jackson hit the ground running as a rook. Or at least at a strong jog. Not many rookie WR's perform that well. Maclin may have a lot going for him, but how many first round WR's have been busts the last few years. Oh, and I'm a Mizzou homer but an NFL realist. I can't really gauge the two till I see Maclin line up between the stripes and face NFL Corners the way DeSean has...

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Maclin is definitely a better prospect than Jackson was when each entered their respective drafts.

However, we've now seen a year of Desean Jackson in the NFL and I'm not sure that's the case anymore.

 

[TheFanatic]

Maclin is definitely a better prospect than Jackson was when each entered their respective drafts.However, we've now seen a year of Desean Jackson in the NFL and I'm not sure that's the case anymore.

Exactly. There were a lot of better prospects than Jerry Rice his rookie season. Some guys may not grade out well at the combine and just have what it takes in the NFL. Jackson seems to have what it takes. Maclin still has to show that...

 

[Sugar Huddle]

I think a more apt comparison is Ted Ginn Jr. Maclin is taller and heavier than DeSean who has a slight frame. Maclin is right at 6' and 200lbs while DeSean might go 5'10" and 165 soaking wet. While Maclin resembles Ginn physically, I think he is a more polished WR at this stage. His routes look crisper than Ginn's did coming out of OSU where he was primarily a fly pattern guy. I like Maclin's upside almost as well as Crabtree's.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I think a more apt comparison is Ted Ginn Jr. Maclin is taller and heavier than DeSean who has a slight frame. Maclin is right at 6' and 200lbs while DeSean might go 5'10" and 165 soaking wet. While Maclin resembles Ginn physically, I think he is a more polished WR at this stage. His routes look crisper than Ginn's did coming out of OSU where he was primarily a fly pattern guy. I like Maclin's upside almost as well as Crabtree's.

Ginn isn't a good comparsion at all, because like you said, Maclin is a lot more polished WR coming into the NFL than Ginn was, and I think he probably is right now also. Maclin isn't the novelty that Ginn is.

 

[CalBear]

I haven't watched Maclin play live, but looking at his highlights, he looks a lot more like Kevin Curtis than Desean Jackson. Maclin is clearly very fast, but he doesn't show any of the can't-tackle-him-in-a-phonebooth cut moves that make Desean special, and I didn't see anything where he shows a lot of vision or reverses field.

I mean, look at these plays:

 

[sportsmonkey_j]

Im a Cal fan, so I know all about Jacksons moves. Maclin seems to have great vision and doesnt dance as much as fine a hole and shoot through it. Heres his Youtube highlight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzrltr66LqI

I haven't watched Maclin play live, but looking at his highlights, he looks a lot more like Kevin Curtis than Desean Jackson. Maclin is clearly very fast, but he doesn't show any of the can't-tackle-him-in-a-phonebooth cut moves that make Desean special, and I didn't see anything where he shows a lot of vision or reverses field.

I mean, look at these plays:

 

[CalBear]

Im a Cal fan, so I know all about Jacksons moves. Maclin seems to have great vision and doesnt dance as much as fine a hole and shoot through it. Heres his Youtube highlight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzrltr66LqI

Yes, that's what I was looking at. On most of the plays it looks like he tries to get to the sideline faster than everyone else and then outrun them; I don't see anything where he gets to the sideline and then cuts back to a seam in the middle, or where he jukes anyone other than the kicker. (There are one or two good cuts up the seam from the middle of the field). Their styles seem pretty dissimilar.

 

[Chachi]

I haven't watched Maclin play live, but looking at his highlights, he looks a lot more like Kevin Curtis than Desean Jackson. Maclin is clearly very fast, but he doesn't show any of the can't-tackle-him-in-a-phonebooth cut moves that make Desean special, and I didn't see anything where he shows a lot of vision or reverses field.

I mean, look at these plays:

Thanks for the sig material

 

[TheFanatic]

I haven't watched Maclin play live, but looking at his highlights, he looks a lot more like Kevin Curtis than Desean Jackson. Maclin is clearly very fast, but he doesn't show any of the can't-tackle-him-in-a-phonebooth cut moves that make Desean special, and I didn't see anything where he shows a lot of vision or reverses field.

I mean, look at these plays:

That is good stuff. Comparing him to a white WR that would be a WR3 on just about any other team is comedy. I realize that you are a Jackson Homer based on your avatar, but you have to be able to come up with a better comparison than Curtis to Maclin....

 

[Sugar Huddle]

I think a more apt comparison is Ted Ginn Jr. Maclin is taller and heavier than DeSean who has a slight frame. Maclin is right at 6' and 200lbs while DeSean might go 5'10" and 165 soaking wet. While Maclin resembles Ginn physically, I think he is a more polished WR at this stage. His routes look crisper than Ginn's did coming out of OSU where he was primarily a fly pattern guy. I like Maclin's upside almost as well as Crabtree's.

Ginn isn't a good comparsion at all, because like you said, Maclin is a lot more polished WR coming into the NFL than Ginn was, and I think he probably is right now also. Maclin isn't the novelty that Ginn is.

My point was that physically they are similar both in body type and speed so they can be compared. Where the similarities stop is when we start talking about the art of being a WR in the NFL. Maclin is much further along than Ginn.

 

[TitusIII]

I haven't watched Maclin play live, but looking at his highlights, he looks a lot more like Kevin Curtis than Desean Jackson. Maclin is clearly very fast, but he doesn't show any of the can't-tackle-him-in-a-phonebooth cut moves that make Desean special, and I didn't see anything where he shows a lot of vision or reverses field.

I mean, look at these plays:

I really don't think the comparison is that bad. I don't see superstar potential in Maclin, time will tell!

 

[CalBear]

That is good stuff. Comparing him to a white WR that would be a WR3 on just about any other team is comedy. I realize that you are a Jackson Homer based on your avatar, but you have to be able to come up with a better comparison than Curtis to Maclin....

Why does the fact that Curtis is white make any difference? Curtis is a closer comp to Maclin in every way (other than skin color); he's closer in height and weight, and he's fast but not particularly shifty. There may be better comps than Curtis; I only mentioned him because they're both on the Eagles.

 

[Chachi]

I think a more apt comparison is Ted Ginn Jr. Maclin is taller and heavier than DeSean who has a slight frame. Maclin is right at 6' and 200lbs while DeSean might go 5'10" and 165 soaking wet. While Maclin resembles Ginn physically, I think he is a more polished WR at this stage. His routes look crisper than Ginn's did coming out of OSU where he was primarily a fly pattern guy. I like Maclin's upside almost as well as Crabtree's.

Ginn isn't a good comparsion at all, because like you said, Maclin is a lot more polished WR coming into the NFL than Ginn was, and I think he probably is right now also. Maclin isn't the novelty that Ginn is.

My point was that physically they are similar both in body type and speed so they can be compared. Where the similarities stop is when we start talking about the art of being a WR in the NFL. Maclin is much further along than Ginn.

Javon Ringer and Emmitt Smith have similiar body type and speed so can they be compared? Hunter Cantwell and Dan Marino have similiar body type and speed so can they be compared?

 

[Chachi]

That is good stuff. Comparing him to a white WR that would be a WR3 on just about any other team is comedy. I realize that you are a Jackson Homer based on your avatar, but you have to be able to come up with a better comparison than Curtis to Maclin....

Why does the fact that Curtis is white make any difference? Curtis is a closer comp to Maclin in every way (other than skin color); he's closer in height and weight, and he's fast but not particularly shifty. There may be better comps than Curtis; I only mentioned him because they're both on the Eagles.

Huh?

 

[massraider]

Physically, Maclin has a much better frame than DeSean or Ginn. He's thick, has an NFL body.

I think the major issue with Macliin is that he was in that razzle dazzle offense, and they ran a lot of gimmicky stuff to get him the ball. Not enough film of him running 12 yard outs, or crosses where he settles into a hole in a zone. Lot of bubble screens, slants, etc.

But he definitely wasn't a one trick pony deep threat.

 

[TheFanatic]

That is good stuff. Comparing him to a white WR that would be a WR3 on just about any other team is comedy. I realize that you are a Jackson Homer based on your avatar, but you have to be able to come up with a better comparison than Curtis to Maclin....

Why does the fact that Curtis is white make any difference? Curtis is a closer comp to Maclin in every way (other than skin color); he's closer in height and weight, and he's fast but not particularly shifty. There may be better comps than Curtis; I only mentioned him because they're both on the Eagles.

Hmmm, the fact that Maclin has 15 pounds on Curtis for the exact same height makes them quite a bit different....

 

[CalBear]

That is good stuff. Comparing him to a white WR that would be a WR3 on just about any other team is comedy. I realize that you are a Jackson Homer based on your avatar, but you have to be able to come up with a better comparison than Curtis to Maclin....

Why does the fact that Curtis is white make any difference? Curtis is a closer comp to Maclin in every way (other than skin color); he's closer in height and weight, and he's fast but not particularly shifty. There may be better comps than Curtis; I only mentioned him because they're both on the Eagles.

Hmmm, the fact that Maclin has 15 pounds on Curtis for the exact same height makes them quite a bit different....

How about the fact that Maclin has 30 pounds on Jackson? The comparison to Jackson does not make sense; the only similarities are that they return punts and they're young.

 

[Blackjacks]

He reminds me ALOT of Chad Johnson. I think he has alot higher of a ceiling than what you guys are giving him credit for. He has elite speed (didn't show it at the combine but he will show it at his pro day). He gets in and out of cuts very good and his vision is superior. His hands are still a little questionable in my opinion but if he gets on the right team I think he could have a great career. I definetly think Maclin has #1 wr potenial for a team. A player like Kevin Curtis. bad comparison IMO, will always be a complimentary player.

Just my 2 cents

 

[TheFanatic]

That is good stuff. Comparing him to a white WR that would be a WR3 on just about any other team is comedy. I realize that you are a Jackson Homer based on your avatar, but you have to be able to come up with a better comparison than Curtis to Maclin....

Why does the fact that Curtis is white make any difference? Curtis is a closer comp to Maclin in every way (other than skin color); he's closer in height and weight, and he's fast but not particularly shifty. There may be better comps than Curtis; I only mentioned him because they're both on the Eagles.

Hmmm, the fact that Maclin has 15 pounds on Curtis for the exact same height makes them quite a bit different....

How about the fact that Maclin has 30 pounds on Jackson? The comparison to Jackson does not make sense; the only similarities are that they return punts and they're young.

I never said they were a good comparison other than one had a year in the league and one didn't so I would not compare the two till both had time in the league...

 

[FUBAR]

Just to throw it out there and I didn't see him much in college, but Roddy White might be an apt comparison.

 

[jurb26]

Physically, Maclin has a much better frame than DeSean or Ginn. He's thick, has an NFL body.

I think the major issue with Macliin is that he was in that razzle dazzle offense, and they ran a lot of gimmicky stuff to get him the ball. Not enough film of him running 12 yard outs, or crosses where he settles into a hole in a zone. Lot of bubble screens, slants, etc.

But he definitely wasn't a one trick pony deep threat.

Because that is the ideal body for a NFL WR?

 

[awesomeness]

How do you think these guys compare? They seem to have a similar skill set.

Both are great punt returners. I've heard Jackson is a bit faster, but when I see clips of Maclin, his game speed looks untouchable. It also seems like Maclins hands are better and he certainly doesnt seem to have the character issues that have been associated with Jackson.

Maclin is said to be capable of sub 4.4 numbers in the 40. Not sure how DeSean can be faster. That being said, Jackson hit the ground running as a rook. Or at least at a strong jog. Not many rookie WR's perform that well. Maclin may have a lot going for him, but how many first round WR's have been busts the last few years. Oh, and I'm a Mizzou homer but an NFL realist. I can't really gauge the two till I see Maclin line up between the stripes and face NFL Corners the way DeSean has...

Maclin is said to be capable of a sub 4.4 number, but DeSean has already proven he runs under 4.4. DeSean Jackson ran an official 4.35 at the combine last year, Maclin ran an official 4.45 at this years combine.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Physically, Maclin has a much better frame than DeSean or Ginn. He's thick, has an NFL body.

I think the major issue with Macliin is that he was in that razzle dazzle offense, and they ran a lot of gimmicky stuff to get him the ball. Not enough film of him running 12 yard outs, or crosses where he settles into a hole in a zone. Lot of bubble screens, slants, etc.

But he definitely wasn't a one trick pony deep threat.

Because that is the ideal body for a NFL WR?

It does fall into one of wdcrob's boxes from last year's Prospectus.

 

[CalBear]

Physically, Maclin has a much better frame than DeSean or Ginn. He's thick, has an NFL body.

I think the major issue with Macliin is that he was in that razzle dazzle offense, and they ran a lot of gimmicky stuff to get him the ball. Not enough film of him running 12 yard outs, or crosses where he settles into a hole in a zone. Lot of bubble screens, slants, etc.

But he definitely wasn't a one trick pony deep threat.

Because that is the ideal body for a NFL WR?

It does fall into one of wdcrob's boxes from last year's Prospectus.

You mean the "study" that failed so incredibly badly that to even mention the term "BMI" in the Shark Pool will now bring derisive laughter?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Physically, Maclin has a much better frame than DeSean or Ginn. He's thick, has an NFL body.

I think the major issue with Macliin is that he was in that razzle dazzle offense, and they ran a lot of gimmicky stuff to get him the ball. Not enough film of him running 12 yard outs, or crosses where he settles into a hole in a zone. Lot of bubble screens, slants, etc.

But he definitely wasn't a one trick pony deep threat.

Because that is the ideal body for a NFL WR?

It does fall into one of wdcrob's boxes from last year's Prospectus.

You mean the "study" that failed so incredibly badly that to even mention the term "BMI" in the Shark Pool will now bring derisive laughter?

That's the one.

 

[DenverBroncos]

If I had to have one in a Dynasty league, I would definetly prefer Maclin. That's not to say DJax doesn't have good potential, but I see last years numbers as his ceiling or close too. I think DJax could be a solid WR3 for your dynasty team, but to me Maclin's long-term ceiling is a lot higher. I'd probably take rookie draft pick 1.6-1.11 this year to grab one of the many talented WR's or RB's from this years drafts instead of DJax

 

[sparkky]

I think sometimes opportunity influences perception. would everyone's opinion of DJax be the same if he was in Tenn and had Collins getting him the ball LOTS less in a "run first" offense?

Just for the record, I'd rather have Maclin I think.

 

[B. Nugget]

JMAC was dissappointed he didn't run a sub 4.3 at the combine, he has elite speed, he just didn't run well at the combine.

He stated in the local media that his goal was to run a personal best 4.29 because he was regularly running sub 4.4s in his training.

The nice thing about running a 1/10 of a second slower in Indy is that he isn't as likely to end up in Oakland!

 

[CalBear]

He stated in the local media that his goal was to run a personal best 4.29 because he was regularly running sub 4.4s in his training.

Sounds about right, considering that you have to subtract .1 seconds from the time if it's hand-timed.

 

[valence]

didn't read all of this yet, but I think Percy Harvin is a better comparison to DeSean Jackson.

 

[billyjoe]

If I had to have one in a Dynasty league, I would definetly prefer Maclin. That's not to say DJax doesn't have good potential, but I see last years numbers as his ceiling or close too. I think DJax could be a solid WR3 for your dynasty team, but to me Maclin's long-term ceiling is a lot higher. I'd probably take rookie draft pick 1.6-1.11 this year to grab one of the many talented WR's or RB's from this years drafts instead of DJax

Yeah in my experience watching the NFL, juniors entering the NFL usually max out the first year. Then it's mostly downhill. Once you get to be 23 years old, it's very hard to keep up with the 22 year old rookies. Big time sell high.

 

[Getinthemix]

Maclin is definitely a better prospect than Jackson was when each entered their respective drafts.

However, we've now seen a year of Desean Jackson in the NFL and I'm not sure that's the case anymore.

Exactly. There were a lot of better prospects than Jerry Rice his rookie season. Some guys may not grade out well at the combine and just have what it takes in the NFL. Jackson seems to have what it takes. Maclin still has to show that...

I see 2 that were drafted higher.

 

[massraider]

Physically, Maclin has a much better frame than DeSean or Ginn. He's thick, has an NFL body.

I think the major issue with Macliin is that he was in that razzle dazzle offense, and they ran a lot of gimmicky stuff to get him the ball. Not enough film of him running 12 yard outs, or crosses where he settles into a hole in a zone. Lot of bubble screens, slants, etc.

But he definitely wasn't a one trick pony deep threat.

Because that is the ideal body for a NFL WR?

I don't know what 'ideal' is, but his size is common in the NFL. There are a lot more guys with his build than Ginn or DeSean's.

 

[Christo]

Maclin is definitely a better prospect than Jackson was when each entered their respective drafts.

However, we've now seen a year of Desean Jackson in the NFL and I'm not sure that's the case anymore.

Exactly. There were a lot of better prospects than Jerry Rice his rookie season. Some guys may not grade out well at the combine and just have what it takes in the NFL. Jackson seems to have what it takes. Maclin still has to show that...

I see 2 that were drafted higher.

That was a pretty good first round.