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Is Marques Colston the top reciever in the league? (1 Viewer)
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Dude, Wes Welker averages 10.5 yards per reception. He averaged 10.5 ypc last year. He averaged 10.5 ypc the year before. Would you say it's easier to complete short passes (passes within 5 yards of the LoS) than long passes (passes 15+ yards from the LoS)? Because if so, don't you think that might be a reason why Welker has more receptions than Moss? I mean, Maroney has more rush attempts than Moss, too- is Maroney a better player, as well? Was Reggie Bush the best receiver in the league as a rookie because he caught a zillion balls per game? Or is there some sort of risk/reward formula that suggests that low-risk, low-reward plays are more common than high-risk, high-reward plays?Yes, Welker's got an insane catch%. You know who else has an insane catch%? Every other receiver in the entire NFL who is averaging 10 yards per reception. Welker has a 74% catch%. Andre Caldwell has a 72%. Brandon Marshall, a guy with questionable hands in the past, is setting a career high in catch% with 65% now that he's averaging 10 yards per catch. Antwaan Randle-El has a 66% catch%. Mike Thomas is blowing them ALL out of the water with a 78% catch%. Are all of these guys secretly the best receivers in the league, or is it possible that, you know, running dink-and-dunk routes pads a receivers catch% to a significant degree?And TDs? You're putting Welker in the same breath as Moss because they both have 4 TDs so far this season? In the past two seasons, Wes Welker had 11 TDs and Moss had THIRTY FOUR!!! The fact that they both have 4 through an incredibly small sample isn't just not statistically significant, it's a fluke, and an irrelevant one, to boot.Look at how Welker has done without Tom Brady. Look at how Moss has done without Tom Brady. Look at how defenses cover Welker (notice how often he's matched up against a LB). Look at how defenses cover Moss (look at how often he's got the opposing team's best CB and a safety over top). Hell, just watch the two WRs play. Welker is a very good WR, and a great fit for that offense, but Randy Moss is one of the three greatest receivers to ever play the game.I don't know if this is a fishing trip or if you're really just sorting WRs by fantasy points scored and using that as your real-world ranking of receivers, but either way, this is just dumb.Lay off the crack, ur right we are so wrong for putting a guy with as many tds and more catches in the same breath...another person with credebility lost!dude just cuz u say so dont mean crap, u need proof or stats.lol @ putting Welker in the same breath as Moss. Why not just copy the ytd stats from nfl.com and say "here are the rankings, not debatable"?
You're absolutely right. Stats don't lie. I'm sold. Here are the 10 best receivers in the NFL today.1. Steve Smith North
2. Reggie Wayne
3. Larry Fitzgerald
4. Wes Welker
5. Andre Johnson
6. Randy Moss
7. Hines Ward
8. Chad Ochocinco
9. Nate Burleson
10. Sidney Rice.
Colston is the 13th best receiver in the league, behind both Burleson and Rice. After all, they have more receptions than Colston this year. Stats don't lie!
Maybe you'd prefer to rank by fantasy points per game instead of receptions. Sure thing, you're the boss!
1. Reggie Wayne
2. Wes Welker
3. Vincent Jackson
4. Miles Austin
5. Desean Jackson
6. Marques Colston
7. Roddy White
8. Chad Ochocinco
9. Andre Johnson
10. Larry Fitzgerald
Boy, I bet if Colston works really hard, one day he'll be as good of a receiver as Miles Austin. I mean, stats don't lie! Wait, you don't like that particular stat because you don't like the outcome, and you'd rather use a different stat that makes the point you wanted to make? But stats don't lie!
Oh, that's right, stat's don't lie. The people that use them do.
Wait, the Saints have a much better OL, QB, and other talent than the Lions? And that OL/QB/etc talent is the reason why the Saints don't miss Colston when he's gone... but it's not the reason why Colston puts up such great numbers? I mean, I'm sure when it's LANCE MOORE, that QB/OL/etc talent is the reason why he's putting up such great numbers, but when it's Marques Colston? In that case, putting up great numbers is strictly a result of his talent and not at all influenced by the talent surrounding him.
aside, you're absolutely right. The Saints *DO* have so much supporting talent around Colston. Which is a large reason why he's putting up video game numbers, and a large reason why people would like to see what kind of numbers Calvin could put up in that system. If Calvin can get 1331/12 on the Detroit Freaking Lions, imagine what he could do with Drew Brees delivering strikes while being protected by that quality Saints offensive line and with opposing defenses forced to respect Shockey, Henderson, Moore, Thomas, Bush, and Bell. Just look what happened to Randy Moss when he left the Raiders and went to a team with a great QB and lots of supporting talent.On the other hand, if you really think that numbers are produced in a vacuum and supporting cast doesn't matter, look what happened to Peerless Price when he lost Bledsoe, Moulds, and Henry.
I'm not calling Colston Peerless Price (I do genuinely think he's one of the 10 best receivers in the league today), and I'm not calling Calvin Johnson Randy Moss, I'm just saying that Calvin putting up 1300/12 on the Lions is far and away more impressive than Colston putting up 1200/11 (his best season to date) on the Saints.
MCguidance
Footballguy
I usually hate your schtick, but I couldn't help but read it differently this time and I lawled. Keep it up.And lets not forget this!Colston's first two years- 168/2240/19Size
Fitzgerald--6'3'', 218 lbs
Colston--6'4, 225 lbs
Speed:
Fitzgerald--4.53 forty
Colston--4.5 forty
Hops:
Fitzgerald-35 inch vertical
Colston-37 inch vertical
Strength:
Fitzgerald: 225lb bench reps-20
Colston: 225lb bench reps-21
What am I missing here???
Bill
Edit to add: Stats from NFL site.
Fitzgerald's first two years- 161/2189/18
And lets not forget better this year then Fitz too!
Your opinios are just that, opinions, and everyone has one!
But the numbers above dont lie and makes the Colston lovers right!
No one is better then Colston...NO one!
Argue and get mad all u want, u Colston haters just got smacked with stats!
But your right stats dont matter, after all its not what football and fantasy is all about!
LOL...Bill way to take it to all the Fitz lovers and Colston haters!
Stats dont lie...
jurb26
Footballguy
SSOG, I think you just got caught in the trap.
I dunno, I still think it's more schtick than fishing trip. Like I said, either way, it's just dumb, and I wouldn't have believed that I'd ever be in a situation where I had to CONVINCE someone that Randy Moss was a better receiver than Wes Welker.SSOG, I think you just got caught in the trap.
JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
Yards, tds count to, nit just receptions!....but when u have to type that much to make a point, i just made my point!You're absolutely right. Stats don't lie. I'm sold. Here are the 10 best receivers in the NFL today.1. Steve Smith North
2. Reggie Wayne
3. Larry Fitzgerald
4. Wes Welker
5. Andre Johnson
6. Randy Moss
7. Hines Ward
8. Chad Ochocinco
9. Nate Burleson
10. Sidney Rice.
Colston is the 13th best receiver in the league, behind both Burleson and Rice. After all, they have more receptions than Colston this year. Stats don't lie!
Maybe you'd prefer to rank by fantasy points per game instead of receptions. Sure thing, you're the boss!
1. Reggie Wayne
2. Wes Welker
3. Vincent Jackson
4. Miles Austin
5. Desean Jackson
6. Marques Colston
7. Roddy White
8. Chad Ochocinco
9. Andre Johnson
10. Larry Fitzgerald
Boy, I bet if Colston works really hard, one day he'll be as good of a receiver as Miles Austin. I mean, stats don't lie! Wait, you don't like that particular stat because you don't like the outcome, and you'd rather use a different stat that makes the point you wanted to make? But stats don't lie!
Oh, that's right, stat's don't lie. The people that use them do.
Wait, the Saints have a much better OL, QB, and other talent than the Lions? And that OL/QB/etc talent is the reason why the Saints don't miss Colston when he's gone... but it's not the reason why Colston puts up such great numbers? I mean, I'm sure when it's LANCE MOORE, that QB/OL/etc talent is the reason why he's putting up such great numbers, but when it's Marques Colston? In that case, putting up great numbers is strictly a result of his talent and not at all influenced by the talent surrounding him.aside, you're absolutely right. The Saints *DO* have so much supporting talent around Colston. Which is a large reason why he's putting up video game numbers, and a large reason why people would like to see what kind of numbers Calvin could put up in that system. If Calvin can get 1331/12 on the Detroit Freaking Lions, imagine what he could do with Drew Brees delivering strikes while being protected by that quality Saints offensive line and with opposing defenses forced to respect Shockey, Henderson, Moore, Thomas, Bush, and Bell. Just look what happened to Randy Moss when he left the Raiders and went to a team with a great QB and lots of supporting talent.
On the other hand, if you really think that numbers are produced in a vacuum and supporting cast doesn't matter, look what happened to Peerless Price when he lost Bledsoe, Moulds, and Henry.
I'm not calling Colston Peerless Price (I do genuinely think he's one of the 10 best receivers in the league today), and I'm not calling Calvin Johnson Randy Moss, I'm just saying that Calvin putting up 1300/12 on the Lions is far and away more impressive than Colston putting up 1200/11 (his best season to date) on the Saints.
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Bills_Fan11
Footballguy
But but but....Welker has done better in my PPR league!Dude, Wes Welker averages 10.5 yards per reception. He averaged 10.5 ypc last year. He averaged 10.5 ypc the year before. Would you say it's easier to complete short passes (passes within 5 yards of the LoS) than long passes (passes 15+ yards from the LoS)? Because if so, don't you think that might be a reason why Welker has more receptions than Moss? I mean, Maroney has more rush attempts than Moss, too- is Maroney a better player, as well? Was Reggie Bush the best receiver in the league as a rookie because he caught a zillion balls per game? Or is there some sort of risk/reward formula that suggests that low-risk, low-reward plays are more common than high-risk, high-reward plays?Yes, Welker's got an insane catch%. You know who else has an insane catch%? Every other receiver in the entire NFL who is averaging 10 yards per reception. Welker has a 74% catch%. Andre Caldwell has a 72%. Brandon Marshall, a guy with questionable hands in the past, is setting a career high in catch% with 65% now that he's averaging 10 yards per catch. Antwaan Randle-El has a 66% catch%. Mike Thomas is blowing them ALL out of the water with a 78% catch%. Are all of these guys secretly the best receivers in the league, or is it possible that, you know, running dink-and-dunk routes pads a receivers catch% to a significant degree?And TDs? You're putting Welker in the same breath as Moss because they both have 4 TDs so far this season? In the past two seasons, Wes Welker had 11 TDs and Moss had THIRTY FOUR!!! The fact that they both have 4 through an incredibly small sample isn't just not statistically significant, it's a fluke, and an irrelevant one, to boot.Look at how Welker has done without Tom Brady. Look at how Moss has done without Tom Brady. Look at how defenses cover Welker (notice how often he's matched up against a LB). Look at how defenses cover Moss (look at how often he's got the opposing team's best CB and a safety over top). Hell, just watch the two WRs play. Welker is a very good WR, and a great fit for that offense, but Randy Moss is one of the three greatest receivers to ever play the game.I don't know if this is a fishing trip or if you're really just sorting WRs by fantasy points scored and using that as your real-world ranking of receivers, but either way, this is just dumb.Lay off the crack, ur right we are so wrong for putting a guy with as many tds and more catches in the same breath...another person with credebility lost!dude just cuz u say so dont mean crap, u need proof or stats.lol @ putting Welker in the same breath as Moss. Why not just copy the ytd stats from nfl.com and say "here are the rankings, not debatable"?
When last I checked, "fantasy points" was an amalgamation of yards and TDs. Like I said, Colston's really good. Maybe someday he'll be as good as Miles Austin!
DoubleG
Footballguy
Can we please stop using this as a barometer for greatness? First off, it doesn't make any sense - that's like saying Joe Montana must not have been that good, becuase the 49ers offense continued to produce at a high level with Steve Young. Secondly, if you're not careful, someone will spin it to make the point that Tom Brady must not be that great either, as Cassel took the Pats to 11-5 and Moss still had double digit TDs and over 1k receiving yards - and Welker's numbers (save for TDs) looked almost exactly the same under Brady as they did with Cassel under center. But how does the Colts offense function without Manning?Some offenses are just designed better to work with certain players - and certain OC are better at adjusting game plans/formations/plays based on injury, trades, personel, etc. Some are stubborn and try to make the players fit their system, while others try to adjust their system to fit their players.The Saints offense doesn't miss a beat when Colston misses time. Detroit's offense, on the other hand, grinds to a halt when Calvin misses time.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
The guy is just messing with you...........right?
Re: Joe Montana/Steve Young. Joe Montana was a Hall of Famer... and Steve Young was a Hall of Famer, too. That's probably not the comparison you want to be using... unless you're trying to say that Lance Moore is as good of a receiver as Marques Colston.Re: Tom Brady/Matt Cassel. The Patriots gained 800 fewer yards and scored 180 fewer points with Cassel under center. As a point of comparison, the 2008 Patriots were closer in scoring to the 2008 St. Louis Rams or Cleveland Browns than they were to the 2007 Patriots.Can we please stop using this as a barometer for greatness? First off, it doesn't make any sense - that's like saying Joe Montana must not have been that good, becuase the 49ers offense continued to produce at a high level with Steve Young. Secondly, if you're not careful, someone will spin it to make the point that Tom Brady must not be that great either, as Cassel took the Pats to 11-5 and Moss still had double digit TDs and over 1k receiving yards - and Welker's numbers (save for TDs) looked almost exactly the same under Brady as they did with Cassel under center. But how does the Colts offense function without Manning?Some offenses are just designed better to work with certain players - and certain OC are better at adjusting game plans/formations/plays based on injury, trades, personel, etc. Some are stubborn and try to make the players fit their system, while others try to adjust their system to fit their players.The Saints offense doesn't miss a beat when Colston misses time. Detroit's offense, on the other hand, grinds to a halt when Calvin misses time.
JetsFanTasyBarbie
Footballguy
I know he is not on there, but Roddy White impresses me.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
This is a tough question.
I will say this though. Of those 8 WR's, 6 I see were 1st round draft picks. Chad Johnson 85 and VJax, I can't remember but I think they were 1st-2nd's?
Colston came from the Hofstra Flying Dutchmen Running Herd, undrafted until Round 7.
When he started with the Saints, the rumor was he would be made a TE. I'm guessing on 30-31 other teams that's what would have happened to him. He rose to the top. Joe Horn left.
I have seen this guy make catches that were ridiculous, arms outstretched moving on in one direction while the ball's travelling in the other; Brees has amazing aim (see below video) BUT when he's been off as all QB's are if Colston can touch it he can catch it.
If it's grit and determination that matter, and if you need just one catch, he can't be beat.
In case this has never made its way around here....
I will say this though. Of those 8 WR's, 6 I see were 1st round draft picks. Chad Johnson 85 and VJax, I can't remember but I think they were 1st-2nd's?
Colston came from the Hofstra Flying Dutchmen Running Herd, undrafted until Round 7.
When he started with the Saints, the rumor was he would be made a TE. I'm guessing on 30-31 other teams that's what would have happened to him. He rose to the top. Joe Horn left.
I have seen this guy make catches that were ridiculous, arms outstretched moving on in one direction while the ball's travelling in the other; Brees has amazing aim (see below video) BUT when he's been off as all QB's are if Colston can touch it he can catch it.
If it's grit and determination that matter, and if you need just one catch, he can't be beat.
In case this has never made its way around here....
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MCguidance
Footballguy
MCguidance
Footballguy
You don't have to argue with me - I think Fitz is one of the best ever. Yes, ever. But everyone has bad games, this was obviously a bad one for Colston. He had 3 drops for sure, one short, one intermediate, and one in the endzone. He had a chance to redeem himself later on that same drive and dropped a very tough catch in traffic in the end zone again. It happens. I do remember Fitz dropping one or two in the Giants game, one on a deep patter where he was back peddling I think. Doesn't matter, no one is infallible.In all seriousness, Colston had two drops on that drive and Fitz has 1 in 8 games this year. It'd be interested to see Fitzgerald's dropped passes stat for year's past, but I can only find this year's so far.MCguidance said:FreeBaGeL said:
billjohnson
Footballguy
Colston will be looking for redemption this weekend. It's gonna get ugly for Saint Louie... 
MCguidance
Footballguy
As long as he's fully recovered from the flu.Colston will be looking for redemption this weekend. It's gonna get ugly for Saint Louie...
thatguy
Footballguy
Which is why in his rookie season he was listed as a TE by Yahoo... That was awesome.
billjohnson
Footballguy
JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
Rumor is he wasnt feeling well on this past Sunday as well and he is well past the Flu!
I wonder how some of you over critical always here to just talk smack but really know nuthin about football guys would of performed if you had the flu, I bet my life you would of dropped a couple and I double bet my life you wouldnt of caught a 45 yard pass in your front yard if you had the flu!
i understand the lo ve for Fitz, Wayne, and Moss....but to say Colston aint a great reciever....well u just lose all credibility.
Cuz to be honest I believe the stats and words from one of the Greatest QB's in the league (Brees) over anything you so called gurus say!
and Colston had 3 drops in that game (half of his whole total on the year, but being sick dont matter cuz u just want those fantasy points)
Colstons a great wr, end of story!
I wonder how some of you over critical always here to just talk smack but really know nuthin about football guys would of performed if you had the flu, I bet my life you would of dropped a couple and I double bet my life you wouldnt of caught a 45 yard pass in your front yard if you had the flu!
i understand the lo ve for Fitz, Wayne, and Moss....but to say Colston aint a great reciever....well u just lose all credibility.
Cuz to be honest I believe the stats and words from one of the Greatest QB's in the league (Brees) over anything you so called gurus say!
and Colston had 3 drops in that game (half of his whole total on the year, but being sick dont matter cuz u just want those fantasy points)
Colstons a great wr, end of story!
MCguidance
Footballguy
We get it - you like him! Most people here do!
Instinctive
Footballguy
You might have a bit more credibility if you could type with any sense of grammar, or some way that your readers don't have to puzzle and struggle through your posts or quit.Although I agree with your basic principle. He's a great guy, and after Fitz, there's nobody else I want ahead of him.Rumor is he wasnt feeling well on this past Sunday as well and he is well past the Flu!I wonder how some of you over critical always here to just talk smack but really know nuthin about football guys would of performed if you had the flu, I bet my life you would of dropped a couple and I double bet my life you wouldnt of caught a 45 yard pass in your front yard if you had the flu! i understand the lo ve for Fitz, Wayne, and Moss....but to say Colston aint a great reciever....well u just lose all credibility.Cuz to be honest I believe the stats and words from one of the Greatest QB's in the league (Brees) over anything you so called gurus say!and Colston had 3 drops in that game (half of his whole total on the year, but being sick dont matter cuz u just want those fantasy points)Colstons a great wr, end of story!
Little Joe
Footballguy
Anyone see that double-clutch, backwards goal post dunk by Calvin Johnson after his long TD?? Dude was UP...should get a few votes for that alone.
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Since this poll was started, Larry Fitzgerald has gone 9/123/2, 7/73/1, and 8/87/1. That's a 128/1509/21 pace. For what it's worth, Colston has put up 6/136/0 in that span. Not in one game- those are his totals for the entire 3-game span. Just sayin', perhaps it's a little premature to be knocking Fitz off his perch as perhaps the best player in the entire NFL, regardless of position.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Nobody said he wasn't great... just not as great as fitz... Colston is top 5 WR talent as far as ff value goes...Rumor is he wasnt feeling well on this past Sunday as well and he is well past the Flu!I wonder how some of you over critical always here to just talk smack but really know nuthin about football guys would of performed if you had the flu, I bet my life you would of dropped a couple and I double bet my life you wouldnt of caught a 45 yard pass in your front yard if you had the flu! i understand the lo ve for Fitz, Wayne, and Moss....but to say Colston aint a great reciever....well u just lose all credibility.Cuz to be honest I believe the stats and words from one of the Greatest QB's in the league (Brees) over anything you so called gurus say!and Colston had 3 drops in that game (half of his whole total on the year, but being sick dont matter cuz u just want those fantasy points)Colstons a great wr, end of story!
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Colston disappears too much to be considered upper-echelon WR (top 10), IMO. In start 2 WR leagues, I can see the argument he could be sen as a match-up play based on roster. I own him in a start 3 WR league, so he'll start as long as he's healthy, but he's been performing like a WR3 lately.
lyon812
Footballguy
One of the reasons Fitz is awesome is because they'll force feed him the ball. Warner spreads it around well, but Fitz always gets his.
By contrast, Colston doesn't. They're more than willing to throw to him or not throw to him. The Saints have more (if not better) potential targets than the Cardinals and it shows up in the targets.
After week 10, Fitzgerald had 96 targets. Colston 61.
That's a severe difference.
By contrast, Colston doesn't. They're more than willing to throw to him or not throw to him. The Saints have more (if not better) potential targets than the Cardinals and it shows up in the targets.
After week 10, Fitzgerald had 96 targets. Colston 61.
That's a severe difference.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
"Force feed him the ball"? So you're saying that because Fitz has 96 targets vs Colston's 61, this means Fitz is force fed the ball? There are 3 WR's and a RB in Arizona who all get enough balls thrown their way to be relevant in FF.. You get your best players the ball.... period. I'd rather have Breaston on my squad then Henderson or Meachum.. Anyone over there match up with Boldin for the WR2 spot?Everyone here has already said Colston is a great WR.... Can everyone else please take off there homer goggles for a moment? Nobody is calling Colston a bum. He's just not as good as Fitz... That's all.. He's still a very respectable WR.
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Touchdown Syndrome
Footballguy
I know Colston has cooled off a bit, but I hope that doesn't mean we're going to miss out on more of Just Cuz's "Flavor Flav" schtick. That'd be a shame.
Doug B
Footballguy
I do think that Fitz is a good bit better than Colston, but those numbers tell the tale.Also -- how often does Arizona throw to TEs and RBs? If Colston and Fitzgerald traded teams and roles, their numbers would roughly switch (though Fitzgerald might not have had some of the drops Colston has had this season).
spider321
Footballguy
Those numbers do indeed tell a tale. They tell a tale that, despite playing on the same team as the guy with the most catches and yards per game of any receiver in NFL history and a 1st round RB, Fitzgerald still demands 96 targets. Fitzgerald isn't elite because he's a target monster, he's a target monster because he's elite. The team throws to him because they know that good things happen when they throw to him. And the fact that he can keep making good things happen despite the fact that everyone in the nation knows they're going his way is a testament to his talent.In New Orleans, Brees throws to Colston when he's open. In Arizona, Warner throws to Fitzgerald whether he's open or not.I do think that Fitz is a good bit better than Colston, but those numbers tell the tale.
Also -- how often does Arizona throw to TEs and RBs? If Colston and Fitzgerald traded teams and roles, their numbers would roughly switch (though Fitzgerald might not have had some of the drops Colston has had this season).
Doug B
Footballguy
Mmmm ... Colston gets some of that, too. Not as much as Fitzgerald, but let's not make it out that Colston doesn't get targeted unless he's 10 yds from a defender.
saintfool
Dead sexy
different schemes too. the saints are playing ahead in most of the games. AZ and warner are throwing in the absence of a reliable defense and ground game. warner has 50 more attempts than brees. it's not apples and oranges but more like apples and pears. they're related but still different enough to matter.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
I don't believe that... First off, Colston would be the #2 WR in Arizona behind Boldin if they switched. Second, the passing game would become completely different without Fitzgerald there...
Also -- how often does Arizona throw to TEs and RBs? If Colston and Fitzgerald traded teams and roles, their numbers would roughly switch (though Fitzgerald might not have had some of the drops Colston has had this season).
lyon812
Footballguy
Others have already reinforced the force feeding argument, but to respond: Regardless of equivalent talent levels, the Saints utilize their depth more in the passing game. Warner spreads it around between a smaller amount of targets; he's more focused on Fitz and Boldin, whereas Brees will pass it to whomever he can. Compare:Fitzgerald, Boldin, Breaston, Urban, Hightower (Fitz and Boldin have more than any Saints receiver; Hightower 4 behind Colston)toColston, Moore/Meachem, Bush/Thomas, Henderson, Shockey/Thomas. They're more closely clustered in targets each week. Bush/Henderson/Shockey/Meachem or Moore are just about equal)Because of this, Colston’s targets are way down. Let’s look at their histories:Fitzgerald:2004: 6.52005: 10.32006: 8.32007: 11.12008: 9.62009: 10.8 (pace for 114 receptions)Colston’s targets per game:2006: 8.22007: 8.92008: 8.02009: 6.8 (pace for 70 receptions)That’s a 44 reception difference. That’s significant in both RL and fantasy. Even at a 8.0 tpg rate in line with career norms, Colston would still be on pace for only 83 receptions, or 31 fewer than Fitzgerald. So yes, I stand by what I said. 1) Fitz always gets his, 2) He gets significantly more targets, and 3) the Saints spread the ball around more, which hurts Colston on a game-to-game basis.
While your point about the more attempts makes sense, AZ's defense is just as reliable as New Orleans', only giving up about 20 more yards a game.Defensive stats--PassingArizona: 37.8 attempts per game, 247.2 yards per gameNew Orleans: 37.0 attempts per game, 214.9 yards per gameDefensive stats--RushingArizona: 24.1 attempts per game, 103.2 yards per gameNew Orleans: 25.4 attempts per game, 115.7 yards per game
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Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
The fact Brees spreads the ball around is actually helping Colston. I guarantee Colston doesn't see the kind of coverages that Fitz sees, and I attribute that to his success. And still I say, Fitz is not force feed the ball... The game isn't about getting the ball to Fitz, it's about winning. If Fitz is the best option on the field, then he's thrown the ball... His ability to make plays is why he gets the ball. Because that's in the teams best interest to win.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Too much to be top 10? You don't think the other guys disappear when their team is up by 30?Who do you think is more talented than Colston? Here's my list:Larry FitzgeraldAndre JohnsonMarques ColstonCalvin JohnsonRandy Moss (I think he's getting old and lost a step, I'm sure others will disagree)Vincent JacksonReggie WayneThat's my tier-like atmosphere. And yes, the extra spaces mean I think Fitz is that much better. I would probably put Colston and Calvin on the same line, I haven't seen enough of Calvin to really say I know how good he is or is not.
FitzgeraldAndre JohnsonCalvin JohnsonRandy MossVincent JacksonSteve SmithRoddy WhiteDesean JacksonChad OchocincoMarques ColstonReggie Wayne
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Colston just doesn't seem special to me.. The only compelling thing about him is is size, and the fact Brees is his QB... But even his situation isn't all that great dues to the number of guys Brees will utilize, and the Saints defense is improved. I respect the disapproval of my opinion, but it stands.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Then what's yor list? SSOG's put him much lower than me, but still top 10. Who else goes up there? And um....size matters a lot. Why do you think a solid half, IIRC, of those guys are at least 6'3"??? And the top 4 on both lists...
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