Is Marques Colston the top reciever in the league? (1 Viewer)

[cubbie5150]

Then what's yor list? SSOG's put him much lower than me, but still top 10. Who else goes up there? And um....size matters a lot. Why do you think a solid half, IIRC, of those guys are at least 6'3"??? And the top 4 on both lists...

I didn't intend to start a pissing match....I was merely stating an opinion; sorry if I hit a nerve somehow. But, since you ask, my admittedly amateur ranking (I do not claim special knowledge--I don't spend nearly as much time on this stuff as many of you) based on my preference would be:1. Fitz2. AJ3. Randy Moss4. Calvin Johnson5. VJax6. Wayne7. Steve Smith (Carolina)8. DeSean Jackson9. 8510. Roddy White11. Boldin12. Welker13. MSW14. Sidney Rice15. Colston*Disclaimer: I freely admit putting MSW/Rice ahead of Colston could be due to "flavor of the month" effects. However, I do honestly feel they'll be more productive than Colston. Both are favored targets for their respective QBs. Based on one of SSOG's (I'm cherry-picking here) criteria for greatness, a QB will throw to a WR even when they're not open....Brees would rather throw to a 2nd, 3rd or 4th option...or, actually, to the 1st, 2nd or 3rd option since it seems Colston isn't the primary read on many occasions. Obviously, Welker is ranked not b/c of physical ability, but his situation can't be denied, nor can his production.Oh, I agree, btw, that size is a common trait of great WRs. However, that is typically accompanied by other skills as well. I merely said that the only compelling thing about Colston is his size. He doesn't have great speed or quicks to gain separation; he doesn't have the sick ball-tracking skills of guys like Fitz. He's tall....that's it. As a 7th rounder, it's amazing he's produced to the level that he has in his short career.

 

[SSOG]

Then what's yor list? SSOG's put him much lower than me, but still top 10. Who else goes up there? And um....size matters a lot. Why do you think a solid half, IIRC, of those guys are at least 6'3"??? And the top 4 on both lists...

I didn't intend to start a pissing match....I was merely stating an opinion; sorry if I hit a nerve somehow. But, since you ask, my admittedly amateur ranking (I do not claim special knowledge--I don't spend nearly as much time on this stuff as many of you) based on my preference would be:1. Fitz2. AJ3. Randy Moss4. Calvin Johnson5. VJax6. Wayne7. Steve Smith (Carolina)8. DeSean Jackson9. 8510. Roddy White11. Boldin12. Welker13. MSW14. Sidney Rice15. Colston*Disclaimer: I freely admit putting MSW/Rice ahead of Colston could be due to "flavor of the month" effects. However, I do honestly feel they'll be more productive than Colston. Both are favored targets for their respective QBs. Based on one of SSOG's (I'm cherry-picking here) criteria for greatness, a QB will throw to a WR even when they're not open....Brees would rather throw to a 2nd, 3rd or 4th option...or, actually, to the 1st, 2nd or 3rd option since it seems Colston isn't the primary read on many occasions. Obviously, Welker is ranked not b/c of physical ability, but his situation can't be denied, nor can his production.Oh, I agree, btw, that size is a common trait of great WRs. However, that is typically accompanied by other skills as well. I merely said that the only compelling thing about Colston is his size. He doesn't have great speed or quicks to gain separation; he doesn't have the sick ball-tracking skills of guys like Fitz. He's tall....that's it. As a 7th rounder, it's amazing he's produced to the level that he has in his short career.

Are these talent-based rankings, or are these fantasy rankings? Do you think that Welker's the 12th most talented WR in the league, or are you saying you'd rank him 12th for dynasty purposes? My list was meant as a talent comparison rather than a fantasy comparison.I think you're selling Colston's ability short. He's very fast, especially for his size, he has strong hands, and he has near-elite leaping ability. When I call him a "big target", I don't mean that he's a target that is big, I mean that there is a big area that the QB can throw the ball into where Colston can still get it. Not as big of a target as Fitz or Moss (get the ball within 5 feet of those guys and they're coming down with it), but far bigger than most WR1s in the league. He doesn't have any truly dominant trait like Moss's long strides and unmatched leaping ability or Fitzgerald's razor-sharp cuts and crisp routes, but he's consistently a B, B+, or even an A- across the board.Talent-wise, he reminds me a lot of Roddy White- another guy who doesn't make it look sexy, but who just gets the job done too consistently to ignore.

 

[Instinctive]

was just abotu to ask if that was a fantasy ranking or an NFL talent one (I knwo mine was NFL, I believe SSOG's was as well)

Don't think I was startign a pissing mmatch, just like to see what others see in case I missed something.

I do think you're on to somethign with Rice, I was high on him sophomore year and with a QB that can actually throw, and finally healthy, he sure is starting to light it up. Plus he's a big dude with good hands and a nice vertical

 

[thatguy]

Colston disappears too much to be considered upper-echelon WR (top 10), IMO. In start 2 WR leagues, I can see the argument he could be sen as a match-up play based on roster. I own him in a start 3 WR league, so he'll start as long as he's healthy, but he's been performing like a WR3 lately.

Too much to be top 10? You don't think the other guys disappear when their team is up by 30?Who do you think is more talented than Colston? Here's my list:Larry FitzgeraldAndre JohnsonMarques ColstonCalvin JohnsonRandy Moss (I think he's getting old and lost a step, I'm sure others will disagree)Vincent JacksonReggie WayneThat's my tier-like atmosphere. And yes, the extra spaces mean I think Fitz is that much better. I would probably put Colston and Calvin on the same line, I haven't seen enough of Calvin to really say I know how good he is or is not.

FitzgeraldAndre JohnsonCalvin JohnsonRandy MossVincent JacksonSteve SmithRoddy WhiteDesean JacksonChad OchocincoMarques ColstonReggie Wayne

If we're talking pure talent, both Marshall and Boldin belong in there somewhere.... I'd put them at the bottom of the second tier.

 

[SSOG]

If we're talking pure talent, both Marshall and Boldin belong in there somewhere.... I'd put them at the bottom of the second tier.

Yes, you're right- I always forget about Marshall because he's got a big "Ghostbuster's" style circle/dash through him in my head when I'm thinking Dynasty. Strictly based on talent, I'd put him between Smiff and Roddy.As for Boldin... health is a talent, too, and it's a talent that is looking more and more like Boldin is lacking. I'd put him behind everyone on that list at the moment.

 

[cubbie5150]

Then what's yor list? SSOG's put him much lower than me, but still top 10. Who else goes up there? And um....size matters a lot. Why do you think a solid half, IIRC, of those guys are at least 6'3"??? And the top 4 on both lists...

I didn't intend to start a pissing match....I was merely stating an opinion; sorry if I hit a nerve somehow. But, since you ask, my admittedly amateur ranking (I do not claim special knowledge--I don't spend nearly as much time on this stuff as many of you) based on my preference would be:1. Fitz2. AJ3. Randy Moss4. Calvin Johnson5. VJax6. Wayne7. Steve Smith (Carolina)8. DeSean Jackson9. 8510. Roddy White11. Boldin12. Welker13. MSW14. Sidney Rice15. Colston*Disclaimer: I freely admit putting MSW/Rice ahead of Colston could be due to "flavor of the month" effects. However, I do honestly feel they'll be more productive than Colston. Both are favored targets for their respective QBs. Based on one of SSOG's (I'm cherry-picking here) criteria for greatness, a QB will throw to a WR even when they're not open....Brees would rather throw to a 2nd, 3rd or 4th option...or, actually, to the 1st, 2nd or 3rd option since it seems Colston isn't the primary read on many occasions. Obviously, Welker is ranked not b/c of physical ability, but his situation can't be denied, nor can his production.Oh, I agree, btw, that size is a common trait of great WRs. However, that is typically accompanied by other skills as well. I merely said that the only compelling thing about Colston is his size. He doesn't have great speed or quicks to gain separation; he doesn't have the sick ball-tracking skills of guys like Fitz. He's tall....that's it. As a 7th rounder, it's amazing he's produced to the level that he has in his short career.

Are these talent-based rankings, or are these fantasy rankings? Do you think that Welker's the 12th most talented WR in the league, or are you saying you'd rank him 12th for dynasty purposes? My list was meant as a talent comparison rather than a fantasy comparison.I think you're selling Colston's ability short. He's very fast, especially for his size, he has strong hands, and he has near-elite leaping ability. When I call him a "big target", I don't mean that he's a target that is big, I mean that there is a big area that the QB can throw the ball into where Colston can still get it. Not as big of a target as Fitz or Moss (get the ball within 5 feet of those guys and they're coming down with it), but far bigger than most WR1s in the league. He doesn't have any truly dominant trait like Moss's long strides and unmatched leaping ability or Fitzgerald's razor-sharp cuts and crisp routes, but he's consistently a B, B+, or even an A- across the board.Talent-wise, he reminds me a lot of Roddy White- another guy who doesn't make it look sexy, but who just gets the job done too consistently to ignore.

You made me realize that part of my problem is that I'm mixing & matching based on both pure talent & fantasy value... Based on talent, Marshall has to be top 10, right? Like I said, I don't claim to have a trained eye...and my focus is fantasy-based...so I guess you could say, pretty much, my list is for fantasy purposes. 1-14 are the guys 'd rather have than Colston... I guess I still also don't see how Colston is all that talented...perhaps I still carry a bias based on where he was drafted? He was a tight end for god's sake, wasn't he? anyways, I didn't mean to cite you out of context...guess my opinion is that if Colston were so elite, we wouldn't see him w/ so many fewer targets than Fitz/AJ/Wayne/etc.

 

[cubbie5150]

was just abotu to ask if that was a fantasy ranking or an NFL talent one (I knwo mine was NFL, I believe SSOG's was as well)Don't think I was startign a pissing mmatch, just like to see what others see in case I missed something.I do think you're on to somethign with Rice, I was high on him sophomore year and with a QB that can actually throw, and finally healthy, he sure is starting to light it up. Plus he's a big dude with good hands and a nice vertical

I see too often on these boards how stating a dissenting pinion creates a firestorm...I was being more tongue-in-cheek when asking that. I know you're a very rational poster...Yeah, if Favre were younger, I'd like Rice even more for the future. We'll see if Rice is all that...as SSOG says, talent eventually wins out, regardless of who's QB. My gut tells me Rice will be a top 15 guy regardless of who's QB...he's shown his ability; they'll get him the ball.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Dynasty

1. Larry Fitzgerald

2. Andre Johnson

3. Calvin Johnson

4. Vincent Jackson

5. Reggie Wayne

6. Randy Moss

7. Marques Colston

8. Roddy White

9. DeSean Jackson

10. Greg Jennings

NFL skill

1. Larry Fitzgerald

2. Randy Moss

3. Andre Johnson

4. Calvin Johnson

5. Anquan Boldin

6. Reggie Wayne

7. Chad Ocho Cinco

8. Steve Smith (Car)

9. Vincent Jackson

10. Marques Colston