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Is Matthew Stafford a franchise QB? (1 Viewer)
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D-BO
Footballguy
Believe me, I understand how Lions fans can be, but it's been 2 career starts. Has he looked bad at times?? Yes. What was anyone really expecting from him so soon though?
"Touch" can come...can't it?? Sometimes to me, it seems like he trys to rifle everything in there. That pass that Johnson caught down the sidelines was a perfect pass. It was on a line.
I'm not ready to write him off just yet.
"Touch" can come...can't it?? Sometimes to me, it seems like he trys to rifle everything in there. That pass that Johnson caught down the sidelines was a perfect pass. It was on a line.
I'm not ready to write him off just yet.
He has all the tools to be as great as he wants to be. It is a mental game now. He is much more talented than Harrington, Ware or Long ever dreamed about being. But he has a lot of growing to do. There was some improvement to game two. I am not sure I would let him learn a bit more from the sidelines and just let him play once the Lions get down in the second half. Let him get his playing time without so much pressure to win. Culpepper give the Lions the best chance to win right now.
He was a bit better in week 2. I think it is still nerves. I think they need to put him on the sidelines and let him mop up. Probably a good way to pad stats anyways and give him confidence.
I think you do have to give a rookie 3-4 weeks to get their feet under them.I tried to get Stafford in our auction league, and I did so with the thought that he would not bee good to start until after Detroits Bye week. I still stand by this decision.Due to family committments I havnt been able to watch any of his regular season games, but he looked like he has the touch in the pre season games I saw.also, the defenses are likely showing more looks than he saw in pre season so I'm sure there's an adjustment period for him there too.
jay cutler had a horrid stretch his rookie season... now 2 years later hes a pro-bowl QB. give the man time... hes going to be great.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I am on the Matt Stafford bandwagon.
I think the Lions finally got it right at QB. It is very easy to by cynical about QBs given the Lions track record of drafting and developing QBs. Stafford has improved every week and yesterday in the first half he looked like an All-Pro. Granted Stafford then went on to make a couple of rookie mistakes but that is expected.
I just hope his knee injury will not keep him down long.
I think the Lions finally got it right at QB. It is very easy to by cynical about QBs given the Lions track record of drafting and developing QBs. Stafford has improved every week and yesterday in the first half he looked like an All-Pro. Granted Stafford then went on to make a couple of rookie mistakes but that is expected.
I just hope his knee injury will not keep him down long.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
He's looked good. He's made a lot of mistakes but you expect that from a rookie. His attitude is infectious and his gunslinger mentality reminds me a little bit of Favre.
encaitar
Footballguy
I agree. Stafford has improved every single game this year and that's all you're asking of a rookie QB. He still needs to learn which situations to rifle the ball and which ones to put a little air on it, but I think he has the makings of a franchise QB. The Lions need to get a big ugly to protect his blind side though. I don't think Backus is the LT of the future. The knee injury was a dislocated knee cap and last I heard was 1-2 weeks so doesn't sound serious.
SteevieG
Footballguy
Yes, in my opinion, Stafford will be a great asset to the Lions for many years. As mentioned already, there is a learning curve in the NFL, no matter how high the level of competion he faced in the SEC. He will make rookie mistakes and he'll make Pro Bowl caliber plays for a while. Once he gets settled he's going to be upper echelon in the NFL.
RBM
Footballguy
I was impressed with Stafford yesterday. Agree with the comments above, and the comments Billick has been making about him since he has been doing a few of his games. He needs to know when to zip balls in and when to put a little touch and get some air under his throws. Getting the air under some of those throws in the end zone is huge with a receiver like Calvin.
Stafford should be a good qb in this league.
Stafford should be a good qb in this league.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I agree, yesterday I was really watching Stafford close. Reminds me a bit of dare I say a young John Elway. The arm is second to none, and he seems to have a nice grasp of the game. Threw a couple of really nice screen passes that had the defense totally fooled. Then he can bust a 30 yard out on a line.
Last year with Flacco and Ryan was considered a great year for rookie QBs. Take a look at how Flacco and Ryan did their first four weeks compared to Stafford's first four weeks. The new kid compares pretty well. He has more INTs, but his supporting cast on both sides of the ball. other than Calvin, isn't very strong.
Flacco 2008
1 CIN W 17-10 15 29 129 51.7 4.45 15 0 0 0.0 63.7 4 37 9.3 38 1
2 Bye Week
3 CLE W 28-10 13 19 129 68.4 6.79 19 0 2 1.0 47.8 6 -2 -0.3 2 0
4 @PIT L 23-20 16 31 192 51.6 6.19 35 1 0 5.0 81.7 2 -1 -0.5 0 0
Ryan 2008
1 DET W 34-21 9 13 161 69.2 12.39 62 1 0 1.0 137.0 5 -2 -0.4 2 0
2 @TB L 24-9 13 33 158 39.4 4.79 23 0 2 4.0 29.6 6 10 1.7 7 0
3 KC W 38-14 12 18 192 66.7 10.67 70 1 0 0.0 120.6 1 15 15.0 15 0
4 @CARL 24-9 21 41 158 51.2 3.85 23 0 0 2.0 60.8 2 11 5.5 6 0
Stafford 2009
1 @NO L 45-27 16 37 205 43.2 5.54 64 0 3 1.0 27.4 2 0 0.0 1 1
2 MIN L 27-13 18 30 152 60.0 5.07 22 1 2 2.0 56.5 1 7 7.0 7 0
3 WAS W 19-14 21 36 241 58.3 6.69 24 1 0 2.0 87.8 2 23 11.5 21 0
4 @CHIL 48-24 24 36 296 66.7 8.22 45 1 1 5.0 89.6 2 20 10.0 17 0
Flacco 2008
1 CIN W 17-10 15 29 129 51.7 4.45 15 0 0 0.0 63.7 4 37 9.3 38 1
2 Bye Week
3 CLE W 28-10 13 19 129 68.4 6.79 19 0 2 1.0 47.8 6 -2 -0.3 2 0
4 @PIT L 23-20 16 31 192 51.6 6.19 35 1 0 5.0 81.7 2 -1 -0.5 0 0
Ryan 2008
1 DET W 34-21 9 13 161 69.2 12.39 62 1 0 1.0 137.0 5 -2 -0.4 2 0
2 @TB L 24-9 13 33 158 39.4 4.79 23 0 2 4.0 29.6 6 10 1.7 7 0
3 KC W 38-14 12 18 192 66.7 10.67 70 1 0 0.0 120.6 1 15 15.0 15 0
4 @CARL 24-9 21 41 158 51.2 3.85 23 0 0 2.0 60.8 2 11 5.5 6 0
Stafford 2009
1 @NO L 45-27 16 37 205 43.2 5.54 64 0 3 1.0 27.4 2 0 0.0 1 1
2 MIN L 27-13 18 30 152 60.0 5.07 22 1 2 2.0 56.5 1 7 7.0 7 0
3 WAS W 19-14 21 36 241 58.3 6.69 24 1 0 2.0 87.8 2 23 11.5 21 0
4 @CHIL 48-24 24 36 296 66.7 8.22 45 1 1 5.0 89.6 2 20 10.0 17 0
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
That Culpepper pass right there is why Stafford was the right choice to start the season. Culppeper still makes rookie mistakes and Calvin Johnson has one 2 yard catch today. He's Terrible with a capital T.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
What's the consensus on whether or not Stafford will be a productive starting FANTASY football QB for years to come?
Stafford was terrible week 1. Bad week 2. OK week 3. And better than average week 4. So progress.
Morton Muffley
Footballguy
My opinion is that anyone who watched Rick Mirer and Drew Brees play during their rookie years will tell you that it's nearly impossible to tell at this stage.
As always, just my opinion.
As always, just my opinion.
I largely agree with the point you're making.But Brees played great as a rookie (in his one half of action). He also played well the following season -- his first as a starter. It was his second year as a starter (his third year in the league) when he really struggled.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
That's debateable. I would like to see Sanchez on an 0-16 Lions team vs. a team that was on fire last year before Favre blew out his shoulder.
candymanvandyfan
Footballguy
Stafford was the best prospect coming out of high school. Stafford was the best prospect out of college. He is 21 years old, playing for a team that couldn't beat anybody last year.
I predict his talent will revitalize the franchise and the Lions will be at least a .500 team in two years.
WRT the Stafford/Sanchez thing, keep in mind, Stafford has more attempts in four games than Sanchez has in five. His team is relying on him much more and his offensive line isn't anywhere near as good.
Stafford's ball gets there fast, and he's much more accurate than people think.
I also thought Michael Bishop would be good, and he just went from the Corpus Christi Hammerheads to the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. Rohan Davey was another one I thought might stick. Telling the future's a messy kind of business.
I predict his talent will revitalize the franchise and the Lions will be at least a .500 team in two years.
WRT the Stafford/Sanchez thing, keep in mind, Stafford has more attempts in four games than Sanchez has in five. His team is relying on him much more and his offensive line isn't anywhere near as good.
Stafford's ball gets there fast, and he's much more accurate than people think.
I also thought Michael Bishop would be good, and he just went from the Corpus Christi Hammerheads to the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. Rohan Davey was another one I thought might stick. Telling the future's a messy kind of business.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I like the way Stafford's looked so far this year. Sanchez has done well, but if I had to pick between the two, I'd take Stafford. I just see some throws made by Stafford that are special.Bojang0301 said:
cubbie5150
Footballguy
So is my grandma.......who's been dead for 10 years
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I was talking about Matt Ryan. To say he's turned out well is jumping the gun a bit I think. He looks the part, but I don't think he's any better than Flacco.Bojang0301 said:
JKL
Footballguy
We need to keep in mind that he's 21 years old. He's thrown more passes through the first five games at age 21 than everyone except Drew Bledsoe. His rate stats are better than Bledsoe's through five games (and for Bledsoe's entire rookie season). He should throw far more than 200 passes this season, joining only Drew Bledsoe and Fran Tarkenton as the only players who threw 200+ passes at age 21. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/dbcsA
Sanchez and Stafford join 8 others on list of players to throw 80 passes and average 5.5 or better yards per attempt or better in the first four games of a season, at age 21 or 22 as rookies. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/WrW8y
I'd say, given his age, the fact that he is already starting, and that he has flashed some potential already and has posted a respectable yards per attempt, he's going to prove to be a franchise quarterback within the next few years. He should improve and by the time he is 23, which is when a lot of quarterbacks are rookies, he will be three years in.
Sanchez and Stafford join 8 others on list of players to throw 80 passes and average 5.5 or better yards per attempt or better in the first four games of a season, at age 21 or 22 as rookies. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/WrW8y
I'd say, given his age, the fact that he is already starting, and that he has flashed some potential already and has posted a respectable yards per attempt, he's going to prove to be a franchise quarterback within the next few years. He should improve and by the time he is 23, which is when a lot of quarterbacks are rookies, he will be three years in.
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The kids is 21 and gets better every time out. He has a great head on his shoulders which puts him ahead of a lot of the guys who have really flopped. At 4 games it is too hard to judge, you really don't know how much better he can get. Great talent, great head, lots of confidence....I say he is a top 5 QB in the league in three years.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Pretty easy to see why Culpepper wasn't starting. He should be in the UFL or CFL, not NFL. Stanton is no better but no worse so I'd keep him as the back-up.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
422 yards, 5 TDs, and tough as nails
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Hey Detective>You do understand I wasn't responding to your post, but to Guru's right?Yes, I do understand that that the Jets have a superior O-line and a FAAAAR better defense (of course, Detroit has, by a long shot , the best offensive player on either team in CJ). That's why I added that I was only half-joking. I even added a just-for-fun winky emoticon guy! I also said that I hope for the best from the talented Mr. Stafford. Perhaps English is your second language? In that case, Welcome to America, amigo!As far as your last statement that Stafford would have the same success IF he QB'd in NY, I can't be sure about that, since I don't live in HappyPretendFantasyland.You do understand how much better the personnel on the Jets are right? If Stafford was in NY he'd be having the same success.Sanchez is looking like the real deal. Most Lions fans did not want a QB at #1, but it seemed like Lion fans liked Sanchez over Stafford. It is like FF..you are afraid to reach.Funny.....I could let you know right now that Sanchez is a franchise QB.Just half-joking. I'm a Jets fan AND a Calvin Johnson owner in a keeper league, so I hope both QBs are awesome.
Stafford>SanchezThanks for playing.
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Quinn and Stafford have to feel a lot better about themselves today. The Lions may have a decent QB on their hands. Stafford was making so much progress then looked like crap last week. Good to see him rebound and engineer a great comeback.
Abrantes
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Sanchez is looking like the real deal. Most Lions fans did not want a QB at #1, but it seemed like Lion fans liked Sanchez over Stafford. It is like FF..you are afraid to reach.
You do understand how much better the personnel on the Jets are right? If Stafford was in NY he'd be having the same success.
Yes, I do understand that that the Jets have a superior O-line and a FAAAAR better defense (of course, Detroit has, by a long shot , the best offensive player on either team in CJ).
That's why I added that I was only half-joking. I even added a just-for-fun winky emoticon guy! I also said that I hope for the best from the talented Mr. Stafford. Perhaps English is your second language? In that case, Welcome to America, amigo!
As far as your last statement that Stafford would have the same success IF he QB'd in NY, I can't be sure about that, since I don't live in HappyPretendFantasyland.
Hey Detective>You do understand I wasn't responding to your post, but to Guru's right?
Stafford>Sanchez
Thanks for playing.
Just finished my dinner, I had grilled CROW..and I loved it!!!
First crow that I really enjoyed.
You do understand how much better the personnel on the Jets are right? If Stafford was in NY he'd be having the same success.
Yes, I do understand that that the Jets have a superior O-line and a FAAAAR better defense (of course, Detroit has, by a long shot , the best offensive player on either team in CJ).
That's why I added that I was only half-joking. I even added a just-for-fun winky emoticon guy! I also said that I hope for the best from the talented Mr. Stafford. Perhaps English is your second language? In that case, Welcome to America, amigo!
As far as your last statement that Stafford would have the same success IF he QB'd in NY, I can't be sure about that, since I don't live in HappyPretendFantasyland.
Hey Detective>You do understand I wasn't responding to your post, but to Guru's right?
Stafford>Sanchez
Thanks for playing.
Just finished my dinner, I had grilled CROW..and I loved it!!!
First crow that I really enjoyed.
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offdee
Footballguy
Rotoworld) X-rays came back negative on Matthew Stafford's left shoulder following Sunday's 38-37 win over Cleveland.
Analysis: Coach Jim Schwartz, as usual, said it's "too early to tell" if Stafford will be ready for Week 12. The Lions will play his status close to the vest, but Stafford reentered Sunday's game and finished in overtime, throwing the game-winning touchdown pass to Brandon Pettigrew. The minor injury is to his non-throwing shoulder, so Stafford isn't likely to miss next week
Analysis: Coach Jim Schwartz, as usual, said it's "too early to tell" if Stafford will be ready for Week 12. The Lions will play his status close to the vest, but Stafford reentered Sunday's game and finished in overtime, throwing the game-winning touchdown pass to Brandon Pettigrew. The minor injury is to his non-throwing shoulder, so Stafford isn't likely to miss next week
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
If Stafford is anything..he is tough. The kid has taken some punishment this year.
Overtime? First overtime game won by one point.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Keep in mind, it was against Cleveland.
Amazing game, man. 
SofaKings
Footballguy
So? Matt Leinart couldn't. More than rothlisberger had against them.Keep in mind, it was against Cleveland.
Amazing game, man. 
MSULions
Footballguy
Never. he's the first.
MSULions
Footballguy
how do you win by one point in OT?
MSULions
Footballguy
and? he is the first QB in NFL HISTORY to put up the numbers he did today...it doesn't matter who it was against...that's the best rookie QB performance in NFL HISTORY.Keep in mind, it was against Cleveland.
aardball44
Footballguy
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Marc Bulger put up 453 yards, 4 TDs and 0 INTs in a win against SD as a rookie.and? he is the first QB in NFL HISTORY to put up the numbers he did today...it doesn't matter who it was against...that's the best rookie QB performance in NFL HISTORY.Keep in mind, it was against Cleveland.
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