Is Matthew Stafford a franchise QB? (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

As a long suffering Lion fan I really want the Lions to someway, somehow finally contend for a NFL title in my lifetime.

The Matt Stafford pick will either make the Lions or set them back another 5 years. I have not seen enough of Stafford to make an educated guess on his potential.

Can Stafford be a 10-12 year franchise QB? Or do we have another Joey Harrington, Andre Ware, Chuck Long on our hands.

 

[T Bell]

Can he be? Yes.

Will he be? Well, if you're laying odds they aren't in your favor. I like him though.

 

[EBF]

Who knows? I don't think everyone felt Matt Ryan was a "can't miss" franchise QB last year, but he turned out well. Same with McNabb, Rivers, Roethlisberger, and Rodgers. Stafford has a chance to be successful. That's about all you can say.

 

[MAC_32]

Who knows? I don't think everyone felt Matt Ryan was a "can't miss" franchise QB last year, but he turned out well. Same with McNabb, Rivers, Roethlisberger, and Rodgers. Stafford has a chance to be successful. That's about all you can say.

Rivers, Big Ben, and Rodgers all came into good situations. One could argue that as it turns out Ryan did too, I think many (myself included) under estimated the Falcons last year.My problem with Stafford is his situation, which is why I think the odds are stacked against him. I'd rather gamble on Sanchez, but I don't write that with much confidence.

 

[T Bell]

Who knows? I don't think everyone felt Matt Ryan was a "can't miss" franchise QB last year, but he turned out well. Same with McNabb, Rivers, Roethlisberger, and Rodgers. Stafford has a chance to be successful. That's about all you can say.

Rivers, Big Ben, and Rodgers all came into good situations. One could argue that as it turns out Ryan did too, I think many (myself included) under estimated the Falcons last year.My problem with Stafford is his situation, which is why I think the odds are stacked against him. I'd rather gamble on Sanchez, but I don't write that with much confidence.

Please explain to me how Detroit's situation this year is any worse than Atlanta's was last year. I'm not seeing it.

 

[lyon812]

No such thing as a can't miss, really. Even when people touted as can't misses are successful, they still had that possibility.

Stafford's chances will be better if their OL play improves. Detroit has put solid talent around him (Smith, CJ, Pettigrew, unspectacular but decent WR)...except on the line, which seems shortsighted. I can only assume Detroit knows/feels/thinks something that I don't. Thus, if they somehow get that line to gel and stop them from taking 50+ sacks a year, then I think he's in a position to succeed. However, if he gets the snot pounded out of him that repeatedly, then I don't care who you are, it affects your play. Just talking out of my ###, I'd say that crappy OLs are responsible for a disproportionate share of young QB failures.

Just to add numbers:

http://www.thehuddle.com/x8/articles/j2v-oline-nfcn.php

In 2008, they gave up 52 sacks, even though everyone thought that they'd improve because of a different offensive scheme. Nope. They still were terrible last year.

 

[EBF]

Who knows? I don't think everyone felt Matt Ryan was a "can't miss" franchise QB last year, but he turned out well. Same with McNabb, Rivers, Roethlisberger, and Rodgers. Stafford has a chance to be successful. That's about all you can say.

Rivers, Big Ben, and Rodgers all came into good situations. One could argue that as it turns out Ryan did too, I think many (myself included) under estimated the Falcons last year.My problem with Stafford is his situation, which is why I think the odds are stacked against him. I'd rather gamble on Sanchez, but I don't write that with much confidence.

Calvin Johnson is one the few WRs in the league who has the potential to single-handedly elevate his QB's performance. Remember what Moss did for Culpepper, Johnson, and Cunningham? The Lions still need some help on the line, but this isn't a bad situation.

 

[Balance]

Who knows? I don't think everyone felt Matt Ryan was a "can't miss" franchise QB last year, but he turned out well. Same with McNabb, Rivers, Roethlisberger, and Rodgers. Stafford has a chance to be successful. That's about all you can say.

Rivers, Big Ben, and Rodgers all came into good situations. One could argue that as it turns out Ryan did too, I think many (myself included) under estimated the Falcons last year.My problem with Stafford is his situation, which is why I think the odds are stacked against him. I'd rather gamble on Sanchez, but I don't write that with much confidence.

Please explain to me how Detroit's situation this year is any worse than Atlanta's was last year. I'm not seeing it.

I think the situation Stafford will find himself in next year will be comparable to Atlanta of 2008.Hopefully he doesn't play much (at all) this year, and gets to come in next year with an upgraded line and defense.

 

[mbuehner]

My philosophy is to be very judicious and safe in all of your draft picks and willing to trade down not to overpay or reach for guys when there are very good prospects a round later... except at the QB position. A franchise QB is so important to the long term interest of the team, and so difficult to find on the market (you lucky Bears), you are going to have to gamble until you find him. The upshot is, once you find the guy you don't have to worry about that stud QB in the draft for YEARS- you can just toss darts at later picks and probably find good back ups, trade bait, and maybe an heir apparent.

You have to take a long view about the QB that you don't necessarily take with other positions. Franchise caliber QBs are routinely traded for 2 1st round picks plus. What that says to me is that we place way too much pressure on every 1st round QB selection to hit, especially the high ones. Value says if you burn 2 high picks over a few years and find your guy, you are still ahead of the game. If you hit with that big pick, you're pretty lucky. If you miss with 2 1sts, you are unlucky, but about 50% of the time it is going to take two 1st round attempts to snag your guy. And its worth it.

If anything teams break the balance of their franchise either sticking so hard with that 1st high pick that isn't panning out, or trying to lowball and dealing with inferior talent indefinitely hoping for a miracle. Building talent around a mediocre to bad QB is a waste, the skill guys just keep the franchise afloat and then hit the door come free agency to a team that is a contender or can pay bazillions. On the other hand free agents like to come to teams with stud QBs.

Long story short, if anything we are undervaluing the franchise quarterback, and teams should accept the fact that it may cost more than 1 high pick to secure one.

 

[SproutDaddy]

I'm an SEC homer, and I like him as a prospect much more than Cutler when he came out. Regardless of Sanchez's situation, Stafford is in another class.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I'm an SEC homer, and I like him as a prospect much more than Cutler when he came out. Regardless of Sanchez's situation, Stafford is in another class.

That is refreshing to hear. Can you go into more detail on why you feel that way?

 

[MAC_32]

Who knows? I don't think everyone felt Matt Ryan was a "can't miss" franchise QB last year, but he turned out well. Same with McNabb, Rivers, Roethlisberger, and Rodgers. Stafford has a chance to be successful. That's about all you can say.

Rivers, Big Ben, and Rodgers all came into good situations. One could argue that as it turns out Ryan did too, I think many (myself included) under estimated the Falcons last year.My problem with Stafford is his situation, which is why I think the odds are stacked against him. I'd rather gamble on Sanchez, but I don't write that with much confidence.

Please explain to me how Detroit's situation this year is any worse than Atlanta's was last year. I'm not seeing it.

Atlanta's offensive line was better than given credit for, they were decimated by injuries in 2007 and played horribly. They were still thin in 2008 but stayed healthy enough to get by, Detroit's offensive line is just plain bad. Michael Turner and Jerious Norwood proved to be an excellent 1-2 combo, Detroit lacks anything close to this. Calvin Johnson's got Roddy White, for sure, but what's behind him? Michael Jenkins doesn't get a lot of love in fantasy circles, but he's one of the leagues better blocking WR's. I like Derrick Williams, but I don't believe he will be any better in 2009 than Harry Douglas was in 2008. Williams is more of a raw prospect. I really like Julian Peterson, but he's the only defensive player in Detroit I consider any better than mediocre, unless Sims was playing hurt last year which would explain his mediocre play. Atlanta's defense was no world beater, but they were much better than this unit. Special teams - may need some help here, Atlanta's got some dynamic returners, Detroit has a potential future one in Williams but not sure about short term, no idea how either unit is on coverage, I'll give Detroit the edge on kicker.

 

[thatguythere]

Who knows? I don't think everyone felt Matt Ryan was a "can't miss" franchise QB last year, but he turned out well. Same with McNabb, Rivers, Roethlisberger, and Rodgers. Stafford has a chance to be successful. That's about all you can say.

Rivers, Big Ben, and Rodgers all came into good situations. One could argue that as it turns out Ryan did too, I think many (myself included) under estimated the Falcons last year.My problem with Stafford is his situation, which is why I think the odds are stacked against him. I'd rather gamble on Sanchez, but I don't write that with much confidence.

Please explain to me how Detroit's situation this year is any worse than Atlanta's was last year. I'm not seeing it.

Atlanta's offensive line was better than given credit for, they were decimated by injuries in 2007 and played horribly. They were still thin in 2008 but stayed healthy enough to get by, Detroit's offensive line is just plain bad. Michael Turner and Jerious Norwood proved to be an excellent 1-2 combo, Detroit lacks anything close to this. Calvin Johnson's got Roddy White, for sure, but what's behind him? Michael Jenkins doesn't get a lot of love in fantasy circles, but he's one of the leagues better blocking WR's. I like Derrick Williams, but I don't believe he will be any better in 2009 than Harry Douglas was in 2008. Williams is more of a raw prospect. I really like Julian Peterson, but he's the only defensive player in Detroit I consider any better than mediocre, unless Sims was playing hurt last year which would explain his mediocre play. Atlanta's defense was no world beater, but they were much better than this unit. Special teams - may need some help here, Atlanta's got some dynamic returners, Detroit has a potential future one in Williams but not sure about short term, no idea how either unit is on coverage, I'll give Detroit the edge on kicker.

Bryant Johnson and Ronald Curry are most likely the starters with Calvin.

 

[puckalicious]

Who knows? I don't think everyone felt Matt Ryan was a "can't miss" franchise QB last year, but he turned out well. Same with McNabb, Rivers, Roethlisberger, and Rodgers. Stafford has a chance to be successful. That's about all you can say.

Rivers, Big Ben, and Rodgers all came into good situations. One could argue that as it turns out Ryan did too, I think many (myself included) under estimated the Falcons last year.My problem with Stafford is his situation, which is why I think the odds are stacked against him. I'd rather gamble on Sanchez, but I don't write that with much confidence.

Please explain to me how Detroit's situation this year is any worse than Atlanta's was last year. I'm not seeing it.

Atlanta's offensive line was better than given credit for, they were decimated by injuries in 2007 and played horribly. They were still thin in 2008 but stayed healthy enough to get by, Detroit's offensive line is just plain bad. Michael Turner and Jerious Norwood proved to be an excellent 1-2 combo, Detroit lacks anything close to this. Calvin Johnson's got Roddy White, for sure, but what's behind him? Michael Jenkins doesn't get a lot of love in fantasy circles, but he's one of the leagues better blocking WR's. I like Derrick Williams, but I don't believe he will be any better in 2009 than Harry Douglas was in 2008. Williams is more of a raw prospect. I really like Julian Peterson, but he's the only defensive player in Detroit I consider any better than mediocre, unless Sims was playing hurt last year which would explain his mediocre play. Atlanta's defense was no world beater, but they were much better than this unit. Special teams - may need some help here, Atlanta's got some dynamic returners, Detroit has a potential future one in Williams but not sure about short term, no idea how either unit is on coverage, I'll give Detroit the edge on kicker.

What he said.Plus, compare Atlanta's 2007 D to Detroit's 2008 D....In a draft where Detroit needed to address the defense in a big way, they spend 6 out of 10 picks on offense. I don't care how good the offense does, they will be perenially playing from behind and forcing the QB into trying to win it himself, and failing yet again the way the Lions have done it for roughly 50 years now.Detroit has been, and always will be one of the worst possible places for a rookie QB to land. With that OL I forsee many 3rd and long situations just like last year, and a lot of INTs thrown by whoever the QB may be.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Cant miss QB? No.

Cant miss franchise QB? Hell no.

My thoughts as well. We all need to wait and see, though.

 

[awesomeness]

Considering he's getting $46 million guaranteed, he better be for the Lions sake.

Personally i think he has way too much bust potential to be worth the #1 overall pick.

 

[jurb26]

There are no can't misses in the draft. Especially not at QB, which happens to be one of the more difficult positions to evaluate and project to the NFL. That said, I think Stafford has what it takes to succeed and have written novels on why in others threads at this point. As with anything else though, a lot will depend on how he is handled. Det has a legit shot to allow Stafford the proper amount of time and fully utilize the NFL learning curve. Do they do that? I don't know.

 

[TidesofWar]

Can't Miss Franchise Player" after the draft = The Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, Leprachauns, and humble Florida Gator fans

 

[cstu]

Unlike other positions judging QB's is a gut feeling with me - either the guy has "IT" or not - and I don't get the feeling Stafford has "IT".

 

[chook]

Unlike other positions judging QB's is a gut feeling with me - either the guy has "IT" or not - and I don't get the feeling Stafford has "IT".

Haha - I'm much the same in terms of gut feelings with young QB's, and for a while now I've just had the feeling that this kid is going to make it.

 

[Tanner9919]

Who knows? I don't think everyone felt Matt Ryan was a "can't miss" franchise QB last year, but he turned out well. Same with McNabb, Rivers, Roethlisberger, and Rodgers. Stafford has a chance to be successful. That's about all you can say.

Matt Ryan played 4 years in college..discounting his freshman season when he only had 71 attempts,in the remaining 3 seasons in college his rating was never below 126.Drew Brees was a 3 year starter at Purdue, never throwing for less than 2600 yards and 25 td's in any of those 3 seasons.McNabb was a 4-yr starter at Syracuse..his QB rating never fell below 145. he tossed 77 tds to just 26 ints.Big Ben started 3 seasons in college, setting school records along the way.Stafford has equally lofty stats...only time will tell,though..

 

[flufhed]

I have seen Stafford play as much as any college QB, and I just never saw it. If someone had told me in 2008 or 2007 that this was the future #1 pick in the draft I would have chuckled. All world arm, but the guy just seems to be a poor decision-maker, on and off the field.

I have to admit I was impressed with his wonderlic score, so that is sugestive that maybe he has or can grow up and make good decisions.

But the guy had incredible talent around him, including his own god-given talent, and didn't seem to do a heckuvalot with it.

I vote no.

 

[T Bell]

I have seen Stafford play as much as any college QB, and I just never saw it. If someone had told me in 2008 or 2007 that this was the future #1 pick in the draft I would have chuckled. All world arm, but the guy just seems to be a poor decision-maker, on and off the field.I have to admit I was impressed with his wonderlic score, so that is sugestive that maybe he has or can grow up and make good decisions.But the guy had incredible talent around him, including his own god-given talent, and didn't seem to do a heckuvalot with it.I vote no.

I truly don't know much about Stafford, but you could have said the exact same thing about Carson Palmer, who was inconsistent at best during his first four years (including a redshirt year) before breaking out his senior year. I think we sometimes forget that we're talking about 22 year olds who quite often are maturing personally in addition to as football players before our eyes, as we root for them. Obviously a red flag is a red flag, but I'm just wondering what it is you've observed that amounts to a death knell for his career.

 

[Spark026]

For the record, Georgia had no O-line last year as most of them got injured Stafford's senior year. They started all freshman and a sophmore (or it least something like that). So it least he's not Bradford who has all day to throw 10 out of 12 games a year. I'd be much more worried about Bradford had he come out and been selected first to Detriot.

That being said, Stafford isn't going to get his fair shake during his first few years. I wouldn't give up on him during the first 2-3 years. This is more like a 5-year plan for Detoit.

Hopefully Stafford sits most of this year and Detroit has another dismal season. Giving them a high enough pick to get one of the best lineman next year, and maybe if they could get 1-2 more in FA, Stafford would have a real chance going into the 2011 season.

 

[GROMS]

How similar is Stafford's situation to David Car's when he was drafted?

 

[MAC_32]

How similar is Stafford's situation to David Car's when he was drafted?

Stafford's soft, holds onto the ball too long, and has happy feet?

 

[Anthony Borbely]

How similar is Stafford's situation to David Car's when he was drafted?

Carr's team didn't have a 50 year history without a top notch QB and a 50 year history of losing. The pressure will be immense on Stafford right from the start.

 

[switz]

Can Stafford be a 10-12 year franchise QB? Or do we have another Joey Harrington, Andre Ware, Chuck Long on our hands.

I think he could be another Harrington, or maybe a Phil Simms. Harrington was NOT a bad QB. He just got killed in the Pros with awful coaching, and by the time he got out of DET he was shot. 90% of QB is psychological, 10% is physical talent. About 1% of that is arm strength beyond the required amount.Is Stafford psychologically sound enough to take the beating? I dunno. Last year Flacco and Ryan were good because they didn't let things get under their skin. I don't think Flacco is anymore physically talented than Stafford, so there's a good comparison for what you COULD expect. But Stafford isn't Matt Ryan for sure.I hope they don't throw him to the wolves... I think Mayhew and Schwartz will do a decent job with the team, and I full expect Stafford to sit at least the first 8 games.

 

[mbuehner]

Harrington was NOT a bad QB.

Oh lord, the cause. Heeeeere we go

 

[switz]

Harrington was NOT a bad QB.

Oh lord, the cause. Heeeeere we go

 

[mbuehner]

Not directed at you switz, but invoking Harrington is the fantasy equivalent of shouting fire in a crowded theater. Even now the forces assemble to do battle and waste bandwidth we never get back. Lets talk about the 2000 election instead.

 

[Mene]

Harrington was an awful QB, and it wasn't just the coaching. I'm guessing you aren't a Lions homer, if so, I really wonder what you were watching on Sundays. Joey was inaccurate, impatient, and seemed to have no touch at all. I spent most Sundays during the Harrington run shaking my head as he checked down before he finished a 3 step drop. He was one of the least sacked QB's in the league behind an awful OL... and it was simply because he dumped the ball immediately almost every passing play. Joey Harrington was a complete and total disaster as a QB.

 

[flufhed]

I have seen Stafford play as much as any college QB, and I just never saw it. If someone had told me in 2008 or 2007 that this was the future #1 pick in the draft I would have chuckled. All world arm, but the guy just seems to be a poor decision-maker, on and off the field.

I have to admit I was impressed with his wonderlic score, so that is sugestive that maybe he has or can grow up and make good decisions.

But the guy had incredible talent around him, including his own god-given talent, and didn't seem to do a heckuvalot with it.

I vote no.

Obviously a red flag is a red flag, but I'm just wondering what it is you've observed that amounts to a death knell for his career.

Overexaggerate much?I in no way sounded the death toll for his career.

But I look at Stafford and I see a poor decision-maker on and off the field. First round QBs are pretty high bust rate as it is. The ones that succeed, though, generally aren't known as poor decision makers. Add that to the fact that Stafford is going to a QB graveyard, and I think his chances are succeeding are slim.

And you must have missed the very big caveat I put in my post.

 

[jurb26]

I have seen Stafford play as much as any college QB, and I just never saw it. If someone had told me in 2008 or 2007 that this was the future #1 pick in the draft I would have chuckled. All world arm, but the guy just seems to be a poor decision-maker, on and off the field.

I have to admit I was impressed with his wonderlic score, so that is sugestive that maybe he has or can grow up and make good decisions.

But the guy had incredible talent around him, including his own god-given talent, and didn't seem to do a heckuvalot with it.

I vote no.

This pretty much ruined your credibility IMO. You watched Georgia play but totally dismiss the atrocity their Oline became after it lost starter after stater and fielded all Freshman at one point? Despite this, Stafford continued upward on his growth curve and posted much better numbers from year 1 to year 2 and to year 3. All the while doing it in a Pro style, NFL throw based and read offense.

 

[flufhed]

I have seen Stafford play as much as any college QB, and I just never saw it. If someone had told me in 2008 or 2007 that this was the future #1 pick in the draft I would have chuckled. All world arm, but the guy just seems to be a poor decision-maker, on and off the field.

I have to admit I was impressed with his wonderlic score, so that is sugestive that maybe he has or can grow up and make good decisions.

But the guy had incredible talent around him, including his own god-given talent, and didn't seem to do a heckuvalot with it.

I vote no.

This pretty much ruined your credibility IMO. You watched Georgia play but totally dismiss the atrocity their Oline became after it lost starter after stater and fielded all Freshman at one point? Despite this, Stafford continued upward on his growth curve and posted much better numbers from year 1 to year 2 and to year 3. All the while doing it in a Pro style, NFL throw based and read offense.

I was kind of referring to the explosive first round pick Moreno, plus the other excellent RBs, the second round pick Massoquoi, who wasn't even the best WR on the team, and Green, arguably the best freshman WR in all of college football last year. Those scrubs.And what the ### does "continued upward on his growth curve" mean? Sounds like alot of words that don't really mean much. Does that include when he is still throwing off his back foot and into triple coverage his senior year?

 

[jurb26]

I have seen Stafford play as much as any college QB, and I just never saw it. If someone had told me in 2008 or 2007 that this was the future #1 pick in the draft I would have chuckled. All world arm, but the guy just seems to be a poor decision-maker, on and off the field.

I have to admit I was impressed with his wonderlic score, so that is sugestive that maybe he has or can grow up and make good decisions.

But the guy had incredible talent around him, including his own god-given talent, and didn't seem to do a heckuvalot with it.

I vote no.

This pretty much ruined your credibility IMO. You watched Georgia play but totally dismiss the atrocity their Oline became after it lost starter after stater and fielded all Freshman at one point? Despite this, Stafford continued upward on his growth curve and posted much better numbers from year 1 to year 2 and to year 3. All the while doing it in a Pro style, NFL throw based and read offense.

I was kind of referring to the explosive first round pick Moreno, plus the other excellent RBs, the second round pick Massoquoi, who wasn't even the best WR on the team, and Green, arguably the best freshman WR in all of college football last year. Those scrubs.And what the ### does "continued upward on his growth curve" mean? Sounds like alot of words that don't really mean much. Does that include when he is still throwing off his back foot and into triple coverage his senior year?

Never mind, it's all about the skill players.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

But the guy had incredible talent around him, including his own god-given talent, and didn't seem to do a heckuvalot with it.

In the three years he was at Georgia, he won three bowl games. That's something.(Georgia was a disappointment in 2008, finishing the season outside of the top ten. But in 2007 they climbed up the charts steadily throughout the season and finished in the top three in both polls. That's something, too.)

 

[RockHard]

I'm an SEC homer, and I like him as a prospect much more than Cutler when he came out. Regardless of Sanchez's situation, Stafford is in another class.

I respectfully disagree, Cutler was at his best in big games. Stafford never showed up in the big games (ie. Alabama & Florida last season).

 

[duaneok66]

I'm an SEC homer, and I like him as a prospect much more than Cutler when he came out. Regardless of Sanchez's situation, Stafford is in another class.

I respectfully disagree, Cutler was at his best in big games. Stafford never showed up in the big games (ie. Alabama & Florida last season).

he won't have any "big" games as a Lion, so nothing to worry about . . .

 

[Da Guru]

I went to the Lions game today and keyed on Stafford pretty much the whole game and am not real happy with what I saw.

Matt Stafford is not anywhere near ready to be a NFL starter. CJ should have had two TDs..Stafford short armed one when CJ was wide open in the end zone.

On a broken play Bryant Johnson was running free and clear with nobody within 20 yards of him and Stafford overshot him by 15 yards. Plus Stafford looks slow when he tries to get out of trouble.

Stafford looks very raw and the Lions could go 0-16 again unless they switch to Culpepper, because the defense is not good enough to win a game.

The bottom line is that the Lions put the horse in front of the cart again.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I went to the Lions game today and keyed on Stafford pretty much the whole game and am not real happy with what I saw. Matt Stafford is not anywhere near ready to be a NFL starter. CJ should have had two TDs..Stafford short armed one when CJ was wide open in the end zone. On a broken play Bryant Johnson was running free and clear with nobody within 20 yards of him and Stafford overshot him by 15 yards. Plus Stafford looks slow when he tries to get out of trouble.Stafford looks very raw and the Lions could go 0-16 again unless they switch to Culpepper, because the defense is not good enough to win a game.The bottom line is that the Lions put the horse in front of the cart again.

They aren't going to go 0-16 again, it's almost impossible. Stafford looked like a player starting his 2nd NFL game today against a good defense. There is no sense putting Culppeper in IMO because they aren't going to the playoffs anyway. Stick with Stafford and let him take his lumps and in time he'll get better.

 

[SofaKings]

Back from the game. Had a beer for both dr. d and daguru. Would have liked to see staffor throw the ball down the field. They were running the ball well but for some reason didn't want to unleash the beast.

 

[Da Guru]

I went to the Lions game today and keyed on Stafford pretty much the whole game and am not real happy with what I saw. Matt Stafford is not anywhere near ready to be a NFL starter. CJ should have had two TDs..Stafford short armed one when CJ was wide open in the end zone. On a broken play Bryant Johnson was running free and clear with nobody within 20 yards of him and Stafford overshot him by 15 yards. Plus Stafford looks slow when he tries to get out of trouble.Stafford looks very raw and the Lions could go 0-16 again unless they switch to Culpepper, because the defense is not good enough to win a game.The bottom line is that the Lions put the horse in front of the cart again.

They aren't going to go 0-16 again, it's almost impossible. Stafford looked like a player starting his 2nd NFL game today against a good defense. There is no sense putting Culppeper in IMO because they aren't going to the playoffs anyway. Stick with Stafford and let him take his lumps and in time he'll get better.

DD, The Lions fane booed stafford today. On The Ticket they are killing him with abuse as well. If the Lions lose 5-6 out of the gate the Vets will know they don`t have a prayer.The Lions should have started Culpepper for the first 6-8 games. If we were 2-6, 1-7 or 0-8 the fans would be screaming for Stafford . Now today they were chanting for Culpepper. They put Stafford in a tough situation.If Stafford plays this way the next few weeks they will be forced to make a switch and it could hurt Stafford.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I went to the Lions game today and keyed on Stafford pretty much the whole game and am not real happy with what I saw. Matt Stafford is not anywhere near ready to be a NFL starter. CJ should have had two TDs..Stafford short armed one when CJ was wide open in the end zone. On a broken play Bryant Johnson was running free and clear with nobody within 20 yards of him and Stafford overshot him by 15 yards. Plus Stafford looks slow when he tries to get out of trouble.Stafford looks very raw and the Lions could go 0-16 again unless they switch to Culpepper, because the defense is not good enough to win a game.The bottom line is that the Lions put the horse in front of the cart again.

They aren't going to go 0-16 again, it's almost impossible. Stafford looked like a player starting his 2nd NFL game today against a good defense. There is no sense putting Culppeper in IMO because they aren't going to the playoffs anyway. Stick with Stafford and let him take his lumps and in time he'll get better.

DD, The Lions fane booed stafford today. On The Ticket they are killing him with abuse as well. If the Lions lose 5-6 out of the gate the Vets will know they don`t have a prayer.The Lions should have started Culpepper for the first 6-8 games. If we were 2-6, 1-7 or 0-8 the fans would be screaming for Stafford. Now today they were chanting for Culpepper. They put Stafford in a tough situation.

Yeah, I can see your point and it's a pretty good one. I suppose letting him take lumps for the last ten games after Dante started 1-5 has credence. Did they really boo him?

 

[Da Guru]

Back from the game. Had a beer for both dr. d and daguru. Would have liked to see staffor throw the ball down the field. They were running the ball well but for some reason didn't want to unleash the beast.

Had a great time Sofa..you are way better looking in person! Thanks for the beers!!

 

[TheWheel]

I'll let you know in three years. He only has two career starts for Christ's sake.

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

I'll let you know in three years. He only has two career starts for Christ's sake.

Funny.....I could let you know right now that Sanchez is a franchise QB. Just half-joking. I'm a Jets fan AND a Calvin Johnson owner in a keeper league, so I hope both QBs are awesome.

 

[Da Guru]

I'll let you know in three years. He only has two career starts for Christ's sake.

Funny.....I could let you know right now that Sanchez is a franchise QB. Just half-joking. I'm a Jets fan AND a Calvin Johnson owner in a keeper league, so I hope both QBs are awesome.

Sanchez is looking like the real deal. Most Lions fans did not want a QB at #1, but it seemed like Lion fans liked Sanchez over Stafford. It is like FF..you are afraid to reach.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I'll let you know in three years. He only has two career starts for Christ's sake.

Funny.....I could let you know right now that Sanchez is a franchise QB. Just half-joking. I'm a Jets fan AND a Calvin Johnson owner in a keeper league, so I hope both QBs are awesome.

Sanchez is looking like the real deal. Most Lions fans did not want a QB at #1, but it seemed like Lion fans liked Sanchez over Stafford. It is like FF..you are afraid to reach.

You do understand how much better the personnel on the Jets are right? If Stafford was in NY he'd be having the same success.

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

I'll let you know in three years. He only has two career starts for Christ's sake.

Funny.....I could let you know right now that Sanchez is a franchise QB. Just half-joking. I'm a Jets fan AND a Calvin Johnson owner in a keeper league, so I hope both QBs are awesome.

Sanchez is looking like the real deal. Most Lions fans did not want a QB at #1, but it seemed like Lion fans liked Sanchez over Stafford. It is like FF..you are afraid to reach.

You do understand how much better the personnel on the Jets are right? If Stafford was in NY he'd be having the same success.

Yes, I do understand that that the Jets have a superior O-line and a FAAAAR better defense (of course, Detroit has, by a long shot , the best offensive player on either team in CJ). That's why I added that I was only half-joking. I even added a just-for-fun winky emoticon guy! I also said that I hope for the best from the talented Mr. Stafford. Perhaps English is your second language? In that case, Welcome to America, amigo!As far as your last statement that Stafford would have the same success IF he QB'd in NY, I can't be sure about that, since I don't live in HappyPretendFantasyland.