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Is Motley Crue's Too Fast For Love A Better Debut Than Guns N' Roses's Appetite For Destruction? (1 Viewer)

Too Fast Or Appetite?

  • Too Fast

    Votes: 12 10.7%

  • Appetite

    Votes: 100 89.3%
  • Total voters
    112
Abraham said:
I think the testament to how great appetite ish is that it sold 20 million copies and literally nothing that came after sounds like it.  Crue, born Jovi, poison, all the other bands of the era spawned thousands of clones.  Same can be said for nirvana and pearl jam and Metallica.  Because other artists said "we can copy this, we can sound like this."  The response to appetite was a collective and sustained "I have no idea how to work this into my own songs."  It is just about the least influential album of all time, which is a compliment.  Like how everyone can make a hamburger or a sandwich and just about no one can cook like Joel Robuchan 
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This is very insightful.  Never thought of it but I agree.

 
And since I'm just drunking up this thread, I'll submit an album that I love way more than AfD.  Tribute.

This is a perfect album.  One of the greatest guitar players of all time.   The fact that its live and so flawless still blows me away.  

 
Appetite IMO. 

As for all time great debuts albums: Arcade Fire, The Cars, The Killers and  The Strokes were all better than GnR and those are just the first few that come to mind. 

 
It's before my time but I always wonder what it was like when this came out in 1970. Must have destroyed the summer of love. When you put this in context of the times, people must have freaked out.

 
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Touching back on my previous post. I put on the self titled album debut album by The Cars and it's definitely better than GnR and the Crue. They mastered something right there. Punk, rock, new wave, pop. It all came together in the right proportions. 

 
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rockaction said:
Thanks for sharing, but that's a horrible list, and made dumber by the writers of the blurbs. Any world in which Guns rates over the Velvets is comical.  
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As much as I think AFD is the greatest record ever, I agree. Context and cultural impact matters greatly. I think that VU, NWA and the Ramoanes made people stop and recognize that music would never be the same.  And that's awesome. 

 
rockaction said:
Thanks for sharing, but that's a horrible list, and made dumber by the writers of the blurbs. Any world in which Guns rates over the Velvets is comical.  
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Its kinda apples to oranges  Larger Concert venues Advertising Radio play MTV etc.  Do 20 yr old's at the time of the Velvets still rock their Music  I still enjoy GNR 

 
rockaction said:
I'm taking the answer to the question is a resounding "no."

I'm with the ten percent, like almost everything else in life. At least it's not 1%.  
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FWIW:

"With about 30 million copies sold worldwide, it is also one of the best-selling records of all time. Although critics were ambivalent toward the album when it was first released, Appetite for Destruction has since received retrospective acclaim and been viewed as one of the greatest albums of all time."

"Too Fast for Love has received mostly positive reviews. AllMusic reviewer Steve Huey gave the album a rating of four stars and claims that "Mötley Crüe essentially comes across as a bash-'em-out bar band, making up in enthusiasm what they lack in technical skill".[6] In 2017, it was ranked 22nd on Rolling Stone's list of "100 Greatest Metal Albums of All Time"

 
What's your favorite Motley Crue song? 

I like that Unskinny Bop one.  Cherry Pie is a good one too.  God, that chick in that video....whoa.

 
eoMMan said:
FWIW:

"With about 30 million copies sold worldwide, it is also one of the best-selling records of all time. Although critics were ambivalent toward the album when it was first released, Appetite for Destruction has since received retrospective acclaim and been viewed as one of the greatest albums of all time."

"Too Fast for Love has received mostly positive reviews. AllMusic reviewer Steve Huey gave the album a rating of four stars and claims that "Mötley Crüe essentially comes across as a bash-'em-out bar band, making up in enthusiasm what they lack in technical skill".[6] In 2017, it was ranked 22nd on Rolling Stone's list of "100 Greatest Metal Albums of All Time"
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You can do anything with bold and italics.

Good work, and thanks for doing it for me.  

 
eoMMan said:
You're really fired up over this, huh?
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Nah. Bemused by my own preference. Tepid, really. Went to my niece's graduation party. Woke up in the middle of the night, half-cocked with new LPs on. 

Fired up is not the word. I think Appetite is a great, great album. I like Too Fast For Love better. Rocket Queen is the best song off of the two. I'd say that off of Too Fast For Love, the power metal ballad of On With The Show is my glam/trash favorite. It's stupid. It's arching. It's an attempt at authenticity that fails miserably. It's kitsch, like Hairspray by John Waters but without the irony. I used to have this old cassette recording that following up "On With The Show" was "Vienna Calling" by Falco. It's a memory. The "Vienna Calling" would come booming in right after the song was over. 

On With The Show

Vienna Calling

Anyway, no big deal. Not fired up. Nostalgic. 

 
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rockaction said:
Nah. Bemused by my own preference. Tepid, really.  Went to my niece's graduation party. Woke up in the middle of the night, half-cocked with new LPs on. 

Fired up is not the word. I think Appetite is a great, great album. I like Too Fast For Love better. Rocket Queen is the best song off of the two. I'd say that off of Too Fast For Love, the power metal ballad of On With The Show is my glam/trash favorite. It's stupid. It's arching. It's an attempt at authenticity that fails miserable. It's kitsch, like Hairspray by John Waters but without the irony. I used to have this old cassette recording that following up "On With The Show" was "Vienna Calling" by Falco. It's a memory. The "Vienna Calling" would come booming in right after the song was over. 

On With The Show

Vienna Calling

Anyway, no big deal. Not fired up. Nostalgic. 
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:thumbup:

 
eoMMan said:
What's your favorite Motley Crue song? 

I like that Unskinny Bop one.  Cherry Pie is a good one too.  God, that chick in that video....whoa.
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Bobbi Brown. Hell yes. 

And I agree none of these sugar pop bands is in the same stratosphere as GnR. 

 
Otis said:
Bobbi Brown. Hell yes. 

And I agree none of these sugar pop bands is in the same stratosphere as GnR. 
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Crue, poison and warrant killed 80s metal with their goofy images and stupid lyrics.   But, crue didn't start out that way.   Too Fast was a great trash glam album and nothing like later sell out crue.  While Too Fast  is no Appetite, it is much better than everything poison and warrant made combined.   

 
rockaction said:
Thanks for sharing, but that's a horrible list, and made dumber by the writers of the blurbs. Any world in which Guns rates over the Velvets is comical.  
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Not to mention having that many punk albums that high, while classic debuts like Boston and Van Halen are nowhere to be found in the top 20.  That list is basically a critic's wet dream (and music critics are the worst). 

 
rockaction said:
Nah. Bemused by my own preference. Tepid, really. Went to my niece's graduation party. Woke up in the middle of the night, half-cocked with new LPs on. 

Fired up is not the word. I think Appetite is a great, great album. I like Too Fast For Love better. Rocket Queen is the best song off of the two. I'd say that off of Too Fast For Love, the power metal ballad of On With The Show is my glam/trash favorite. It's stupid. It's arching. It's an attempt at authenticity that fails miserably. It's kitsch, like Hairspray by John Waters but without the irony. I used to have this old cassette recording that following up "On With The Show" was "Vienna Calling" by Falco. It's a memory. The "Vienna Calling" would come booming in right after the song was over. 

On With The Show

Vienna Calling

Anyway, no big deal. Not fired up. Nostalgic. 
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If Too Fast for Love was On With The Show + 40 minutes of static, it would still be the greatest debut ever.

 
zed2283 said:
There's no debut ever by anyone better than Appetite for Destruction.
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Led Zeppelin I >>>>>>>>> Appetite

Ten >>>>>>>>> Appetite

Neither is close.

Also: Van Halen I > Appetite. That one is close.

These are just off the top of my head.

 
I think this needs a big fat bump given the utter raunch/punk of Stick To Your Guns by Crue. 

More cowbell, Tommy. 

Hey, we need easy umlauts here. They're a New Yorker thing for double vowels, ya know.  

 
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