Is Now the Time to Sell Calvin Johnson? (1 Viewer)

[John 14:6]

What exactly is his injury again? The way some people are talking about him in here you'd think he was decapitated or something. Lots of players come back from injury and do great. Look at Jamal Charles and Julio Jones after missing nearly entire seasons with severe injuries. And Calvin actually dressed and played last week. Why do people think he's going to miss so much time the rest of the way?

 

[cvnpoka]

if you could get him for a bye cleared aj green that is a huge steal. calvin will be useless this week, has another bye, and is in supreme danger of injuring himself further. its just the worst situation possible. this week he adds no value to your team and is at risk of a long term injury.

Wow your terrible posts continue to amaze me

sorry but if you disagree with this post then you havent been paying attention. yes, i will take a bye cleared aj green over a gimpy calvin johnson with a bye left. not that hard to understand.

 

[Reegus]

if you could get him for a bye cleared aj green that is a huge steal. calvin will be useless this week, has another bye, and is in supreme danger of injuring himself further. its just the worst situation possible. this week he adds no value to your team and is at risk of a long term injury.

Wow your terrible posts continue to amaze me

sorry but if you disagree with this post then you havent been paying attention. yes, i will take a bye cleared aj green over a gimpy calvin johnson with a bye left. not that hard to understand.

It will be fun to bump this soon.

 

[ghostguy123]

People have always viewed Calvin as some cheat code super human can't lose your league guy. He isn't. No player is. He HAS won people leagues, but as we all know in fantasy land, the past doesnt dictate the future.

I thought this past offseason was the official THE TIME to sell Calvin IF you were able to get top 1-2 overall dynasty player prices, easily.

He is still awesome, and will get past this period of being banged up and probably be a top 5 WR for like 4-5 more years.........................but the packages that I have seen him get traded for (which included other top 5 YOUNG WRs plus other good players and 1st rounders) were no brainers to me this offseason.

Unfortunately I didnt own Calvin anywhere to be able to shop him.

 

[cvnpoka]

What exactly is his injury again? The way some people are talking about him in here you'd think he was decapitated or something. Lots of players come back from injury and do great. Look at Jamal Charles and Julio Jones after missing nearly entire seasons with severe injuries. And Calvin actually dressed and played last week. Why do people think he's going to miss so much time the rest of the way?

he has a sprained ankle. he hasnt practiced all week and may miss this week. those are the same circumstances that existed last week when he was used as a decoy. it sure looks like he is either going to miss this week, or be used as a decoy. i would much prefer he sits out, that way he doesnt risk further injury and i can avoid a dud in my lineup.

yes, lots of players come back from injury. lots of players also go out there and are useless or get reinjured. check out marshall this year and roddy white from last year.

 

[SCT]

I've posted a few times starting last week about my consideration of selling him in dynasty....I've owned him for the past 4 years I think. Ended up giving him up for Julio and Crowell. My logic was, especially in dynasty, I don't see how I'd get anyone in the top tier for him if I held much longer. I was thinking that way before this year's round of dings, but especially after. I see about 5 guys that should be able to produce at least 90%, if not more, of Calvin's points for the next 3 years, if not more.

 

[Real Man of Genius]

I offered Calvin for L Bell and K Benjamin in a PPR Keep 5 and was shot down pretty summarily, which I guess doesn't surprise me.

 

[Leonidas]

This may be one of the biggest overreaction threads I've ever seen.

Up until last week CJ was averaging 12 targets 110 yards and .67 tds per game (or 1760 yards and 11 tds for 16 games) typical Calvin

Even after putting up 12 yards as a decoy last week he is on pace for 1365 yards and 8 tds

His TD average is an interesting stat to use.

FWIW he hasn't had a TD since the 1st quarter of the 1st game of the season, and one of those two was WIDE open broken coverage.

Last time I checked a TD was worth 6 pts regardless of the quarter. Lots of TDs come in broken or bad coverage ...they are also worth 6 pts

2012 Calvin had stretches of 5 & 4 games without TDs ...he only had 5 tds for the season but he broke the NFL record with almost 2000 receiving yards.

Like I said prior to last week he was on pace for over 1700 yards and hes done that before

Yes they are.

But it's weird, IMO, to point out how many touchdowns he averages per game when it's now week 5 and he hasn't had any since the 1st quarter of the first game of t

Your right he hasn't scored this week ... you're pretty sharp!

ugh

But anyway...nor did he score week 2...week 3...or week 4.

 

[cvnpoka]

I've posted a few times starting last week about my consideration of selling him in dynasty....I've owned him for the past 4 years I think. Ended up giving him up for Julio and Crowell. My logic was, especially in dynasty, I don't see how I'd get anyone in the top tier for him if I held much longer. I was thinking that way before this year's round of dings, but especially after. I see about 5 guys that should be able to produce at least 90%, if not more, of Calvin's points for the next 3 years, if not more.

ya this is just a massive steal. calvin is much more valuable this year and is 4 yrs younger. i would bet that julio has a higher adp next yr in redraft and certainly in dynasty.

 

[cvnpoka]

I offered Calvin for L Bell and K Benjamin in a PPR Keep 5 and was shot down pretty summarily, which I guess doesn't surprise me.

offered him for kelvin and ivory. too bad reegus isnt in my league to offload this guy for studs.

 

[SCT]

I've posted a few times starting last week about my consideration of selling him in dynasty....I've owned him for the past 4 years I think. Ended up giving him up for Julio and Crowell. My logic was, especially in dynasty, I don't see how I'd get anyone in the top tier for him if I held much longer. I was thinking that way before this year's round of dings, but especially after. I see about 5 guys that should be able to produce at least 90%, if not more, of Calvin's points for the next 3 years, if not more.

ya this is just a massive steal. calvin is much more valuable this year and is 4 yrs younger. i would bet that julio has a higher adp next yr in redraft and certainly in dynasty.

You mean Julio not Calvin.

 

[cvnpoka]

ya i mean julio i much more valuable this year and esp going forward in dynasty. like, i would be shocked if calvin went higher in dynasty startups this year even.

 

[georg013]

Interesting, I'm texting with my friend and he still thinks CJ is top WR. I was talking about trying to package CJ & Jordan Reed for Antonio Brown and he said he would do AB straight up for CJ.

So like I said, I think Mega's value is going to fluctuate from owner-to-owner so if you want to shop him might be worth it. You could still get top dollar this week.

Can't get my head round that one at all (being willing to trade Brown who is vying with Nelson for WR1 for an injured CJ).

So...Brown is now the most dominant receiver in the game? Oh wait, this is a redraft site. Sorry. Carry on.

Nothing to do with being the most dominant WR in the game at all which Brown certainly isn't. I would imagine it's more to do with the small detail of averaging 18 points per game in non PPR versus 11. Obviously dynasty might be a different story. If CJ weren't injured, it's a different conversation altogether.

Maybe georg013's league doesn't award points based on things like yards, touchdowns, or maybe receptions? Maybe they just award points based on who has the biggest name and who had the best season in 2012?

Or maybe...just maybe...Calvin Johnson has finished top 10 for SEVERAL consecutive years and I don't believe the sky is falling on his career. Maybe that. Again, I get the redraft mentality. It's the same mentality that has people questioning McCoy and Lacy after a few down weeks (despite outstanding years last season). But as I said, carry on. Panic away! An ankle injury is MORE THAN ENOUGH to abandon the most dominant PLAYER in fantasy football during his age 29 season. Yeah, I'm the crazy one. There is a difference between being HOT and being great. Calvin is great. Brown is hot.

Don't think anyone called you crazy. Actually agree with most of your post. To be fair though, Brown was excellent throughout last year as well, bettered Calvin's yardage and only fell short in td's, he had 8 to Calvin's 12. It's not a fluke or a hot streak. This year in redraft, I still would rather have Brown CURRENTLY, because who knows how bad Calvin's injury is? If it's a multi-week injury, or he plays and is only a decoy, he's not very useful is he?

Remember, this is a marathon, not a sprint. The poster above put it best. Don't allow yourself to get swept up into the hysteria. Calvin has been the most consistent WR in fantasy. I own Brown and more than appreciate what he brings to my REDRAFT team. However, some of the reactions I have seen surrounding Calvin's ankle injury is astounding. Perhaps I have mistakenly correlated the number of posts with fantasy acumen. Lots of empty ships floating around fantasy island because everyone has abandoned and now, they don't have anywhere to swim. The patience displayed by owners these days is lacking IMO. Wish the guys in my league were like this. I'd own every stud out there.

Don't think there is anything hysterical about preferring the number one WR to an injured superstar who may or may not come back and be the player he has been. In redraft it's a fair debate at the very least.

In redraft anything goes I suppose.

 

[Leonidas]

In redraft this season's performance is what matters, it's pretty straight forward.

 

[georg013]

In redraft this season's performance is what matters, it's pretty straight forward.

Hence everyone jumping off the McCoy, Lacy, Charles, Calvin, bandwagons. Ah, it all makes sense now. Pretty straightforward! One down week (by Calvin's standards) and he is suddenly tradeable! Gotcha. This thread is a huge waste of time. I'm out.

 

[John 14:6]

What exactly is his injury again? The way some people are talking about him in here you'd think he was decapitated or something. Lots of players come back from injury and do great. Look at Jamal Charles and Julio Jones after missing nearly entire seasons with severe injuries. And Calvin actually dressed and played last week. Why do people think he's going to miss so much time the rest of the way?

he has a sprained ankle. he hasnt practiced all week and may miss this week. those are the same circumstances that existed last week when he was used as a decoy. it sure looks like he is either going to miss this week, or be used as a decoy. i would much prefer he sits out, that way he doesnt risk further injury and i can avoid a dud in my lineup.

yes, lots of players come back from injury. lots of players also go out there and are useless or get reinjured. check out marshall this year and roddy white from last year.

Yeah, I'm benching him this weekend. But just a sprained ankle? No way I'm selling low in my keeper league...

 

[Leonidas]

In redraft this season's performance is what matters, it's pretty straight forward.

Hence everyone jumping off the McCoy, Lacy, Charles, Calvin, bandwagons. Ah, it all makes sense now. Pretty straightforward!

lol you are so mad and I have no idea why

 

[SCT]

In redraft this season's performance is what matters, it's pretty straight forward.

Hence everyone jumping off the McCoy, Lacy, Charles, Calvin, bandwagons. Ah, it all makes sense now. Pretty straightforward! One down week (by Calvin's standards) and he is suddenly tradeable! Gotcha. This thread is a huge waste of time. I'm out.

As a long time owner, I think for some of us, it's a bet on whether his body may be starting to break down as these dinged up weeks have become a trend.

 

[jdubs952]

Sold Calvin, odell, and Matt Ryan for Brees, Maclin, and spiller.

 

[ghostguy123]

Sold Calvin, odell, and Matt Ryan for Brees, Maclin, and spiller.

Ouch

 

[jdubs952]

Sold Calvin, odell, and Matt Ryan for Brees, Maclin, and spiller.

Ouch

Concerned with Atlanta s o line.Concerned with Calvin s ankle.

High in brees

High on buff o

And I love maclin this year

 

[Reegus]

I offered Calvin for L Bell and K Benjamin in a PPR Keep 5 and was shot down pretty summarily, which I guess doesn't surprise me.

offered him for kelvin and ivory. too bad reegus isnt in my league to offload this guy for studs.

Lol ivory is a stud now? I would take this deal for Calvin in a heart beat.

 

[ghostguy123]

High on buffalo offense??. More like just high

 

[qimqam]

This may be one of the biggest overreaction threads I've ever seen.

Up until last week CJ was averaging 12 targets 110 yards and .67 tds per game (or 1760 yards and 11 tds for 16 games) typical Calvin

Even after putting up 12 yards as a decoy last week he is on pace for 1365 yards and 8 tds

His TD average is an interesting stat to use.

FWIW he hasn't had a TD since the 1st quarter of the 1st game of the season, and one of those two was WIDE open broken coverage.

Last time I checked a TD was worth 6 pts regardless of the quarter. Lots of TDs come in broken or bad coverage ...they are also worth 6 pts

2012 Calvin had stretches of 5 & 4 games without TDs ...he only had 5 tds for the season but he broke the NFL record with almost 2000 receiving yards.

Like I said prior to last week he was on pace for over 1700 yards and hes done that before

Yes they are.

But it's weird, IMO, to point out how many touchdowns he averages per game when it's now week 5 and he hasn't had any since the 1st quarter of the first game of t

Your right he hasn't scored this week ... you're pretty sharp!

ugh

But anyway...nor did he score week 2...week 3...or week 4.

Well ...That explains the lack of football knowledge. We have a grammar dweeb out of place in a fantasy football thread.

Seriously? nor

 

[RichInOrlando]

Selling CJ is silly unless you can get a Top 5 RB and a WR2 with upside. Is he a bit gimpy, yes. But he's a beast among men. You may have to risk games where he's a decoy, but you keep Megatron for when he's healthy.

 

[Leonidas]

This may be one of the biggest overreaction threads I've ever seen.

Up until last week CJ was averaging 12 targets 110 yards and .67 tds per game (or 1760 yards and 11 tds for 16 games) typical Calvin

Even after putting up 12 yards as a decoy last week he is on pace for 1365 yards and 8 tds

His TD average is an interesting stat to use.

FWIW he hasn't had a TD since the 1st quarter of the 1st game of the season, and one of those two was WIDE open broken coverage.

Last time I checked a TD was worth 6 pts regardless of the quarter. Lots of TDs come in broken or bad coverage ...they are also worth 6 pts

2012 Calvin had stretches of 5 & 4 games without TDs ...he only had 5 tds for the season but he broke the NFL record with almost 2000 receiving yards.

Like I said prior to last week he was on pace for over 1700 yards and hes done that before

Yes they are.

But it's weird, IMO, to point out how many touchdowns he averages per game when it's now week 5 and he hasn't had any since the 1st quarter of the first game of t

Your right he hasn't scored this week ... you're pretty sharp!

ugh

But anyway...nor did he score week 2...week 3...or week 4.

Well ...That explains the lack of football knowledge. We have a grammar dweeb out of place in a fantasy football thread.

Seriously? nor

Your write

 

[JaxJokers]

if you could get him for a bye cleared aj green that is a huge steal. calvin will be useless this week, has another bye, and is in supreme danger of injuring himself further. its just the worst situation possible. this week he adds no value to your team and is at risk of a long term injury.

Wow your terrible posts continue to amaze me

sorry but if you disagree with this post then you havent been paying attention. yes, i will take a bye cleared aj green over a gimpy calvin johnson with a bye left. not that hard to understand.

It will be fun to bump this soon.

I wish the AJ Green owner would make a decision, nothing as of yet. I've also offered him straight up for Graham, and along with Alshon for Graham and Marshall. Also offered him straight up for Antonio Brown. It's a PPR redraft league with TE's getting 1.5 ppr. Got shot down for everything but AJ so far. Did get offered Brandin Cooks and Kelce for him though.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I have been trying for a long time to sell Calvin and finally got a deal done. Part of me as a Detroit fan has not wanted fantasy implications while watching my favorite team. I also am concerned with the toll Calvin has taken over the years. I certainly did not receive the "gold package" for him but am not regretting it at all. I welcome Sammy Watkins and John Brown to my dynasty squad and say goodbye to a legend who helped me win a few championships.

 

[jdubs952]

I went for maclin. I already have marshal and cobb.

Maclin is second in targets behind jordy. I alsoupgraded my qb and got spiller.

Maclin is producing and plays in a wr friendly division.

 

[kyoun1e]

Just acquired Calvin for M. Ball and J. Cutler (Have M. Ryan).

I'm happy.

 

[One More Rep]

Just acquired Calvin for M. Ball and J. Cutler (Have M. Ryan).

I'm happy.

You should be. Great deal

 

[One More Rep]

I am taking the opposite approach and buying Calvin for the slight discount that has been available

 

[SameSongNDance]

You'll notice that since 2009, CJ has gone through 2-3 games stints ever year where he was listed as questionable with either an ankle or knee injury. They don't tend to linger. I'd be much more worried if this were a knee issue.

 

[ghostguy123]

I am taking the opposite approach and buying Calvin for the slight discount that has been available

This is a good idea.

Selling is a great idea if u get top value. Problem is the time to do that was the offseason

 

[Leonidas]

I am taking the opposite approach and buying Calvin for the slight discount that has been available

This is a good idea.

Selling is a great idea if u get top value. Problem is the time to do that was the offseason

Or after week 1.

 

[oddsbodkins]

I offered Mega and Ball for Antonio and Gio. Great, albeit unlikely, for me if it goes through but no skin off my back if it doesn't. Just trying to gauge value.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I am taking the opposite approach and buying Calvin for the slight discount that has been available

This is a good idea.

Selling is a great idea if u get top value. Problem is the time to do that was the offseason

Or after week 1.

Yes, crystal balls are useful.

 

[Leonidas]

I am taking the opposite approach and buying Calvin for the slight discount that has been available

This is a good idea.

Selling is a great idea if u get top value. Problem is the time to do that was the offseason

Or after week 1.

Yes, crystal balls are useful.

They sure are.

Except when they tell you to draft Brady as your only QB. :(

 

[TheNext0]

Redraft. Moved him and Mathews for Marshall, Spiller and Big Ben. Absolutely could not keep going with my RBs (JBell, Gerhart, Mathews, Ingram). Also have the Cutler connection. 1-3, need to win this week or next, and can't afford a decoy week. Ok knowing that I may have forfeited ~2 ppg at that spot in the long run.

 

[Gopher State]

Redraft. Moved him and Mathews for Marshall, Spiller and Big Ben. Absolutely could not keep going with my RBs (JBell, Gerhart, Mathews, Ingram). Also have the Cutler connection. 1-3, need to win this week or next, and can't afford a decoy week. Ok knowing that I may have forfeited ~2 ppg at that spot in the long run.

You may of gave up 155 yards and maybe 2 tds this week, good luck

 

[Leonidas]

Redraft. Moved him and Mathews for Marshall, Spiller and Big Ben. Absolutely could not keep going with my RBs (JBell, Gerhart, Mathews, Ingram). Also have the Cutler connection. 1-3, need to win this week or next, and can't afford a decoy week. Ok knowing that I may have forfeited ~2 ppg at that spot in the long run.

You may of gave up 155 yards and maybe 2 tds this week, good luck

This week?

Doubtful

 

[TheNext0]

Redraft. Moved him and Mathews for Marshall, Spiller and Big Ben. Absolutely could not keep going with my RBs (JBell, Gerhart, Mathews, Ingram). Also have the Cutler connection. 1-3, need to win this week or next, and can't afford a decoy week. Ok knowing that I may have forfeited ~2 ppg at that spot in the long run.

You may of gave up 155 yards and maybe 2 tds this week, good luck

I shouldn't even respond, but I'm not "giving up" 155+2. I was starting Gerhart and Andre Williams at RB, I'll take the risk of dropping from CJ to Marshall to gain some piece of mind with Spiller as a starter. Everything is situational, homie.

To return to the topic: I wouldn't suggest trading Calvin at all if you don't HAVE to. I'm not concerned long term. But those of us with slow starts and injuries elsewhere may need to see what they can get.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Redraft. Moved him and Mathews for Marshall, Spiller and Big Ben. Absolutely could not keep going with my RBs (JBell, Gerhart, Mathews, Ingram). Also have the Cutler connection. 1-3, need to win this week or next, and can't afford a decoy week. Ok knowing that I may have forfeited ~2 ppg at that spot in the long run.

You may of gave up 155 yards and maybe 2 tds this week, good luck

I shouldn't even respond, but I'm not "giving up" 155+2. I was starting Gerhart and Andre Williams at RB, I'll take the risk of dropping from CJ to Marshall to gain some piece of mind with Spiller as a starter. Everything is situational, homie.

To return to the topic: I wouldn't suggest trading Calvin at all if you don't HAVE to. I'm not concerned long term. But those of us with slow starts and injuries elsewhere may need to see what they can get.

To me this is pretty interesting. Today if CJ has one of his patented mega games holders are justified, another week playing the "decoy" trades like this become tougher to pull off. CJ just got traded in a 6 player trade in one of my redraft leagues, more or less the owner was demanding a "premium" RB but got Ellington, D Thomas in return and a good bump up in QB. I think he did really well.

 

[Topes]

To me this is pretty interesting. Today if CJ has one of his patented mega games holders are justified, another week playing the "decoy" trades like this become tougher to pull off. CJ just got traded in a 6 player trade in one of my redraft leagues, more or less the owner was demanding a "premium" RB but got Ellington, D Thomas in return and a good bump up in QB. I think he did really well.

Is this "D Thomas" Demaryius Thomas or Daniel Thomas?

 

[Leonidas]

if you could get him for a bye cleared aj green that is a huge steal. calvin will be useless this week, has another bye, and is in supreme danger of injuring himself further. its just the worst situation possible. this week he adds no value to your team and is at risk of a long term injury.

Wow your terrible posts continue to amaze me

sorry but if you disagree with this post then you havent been paying attention. yes, i will take a bye cleared aj green over a gimpy calvin johnson with a bye left. not that hard to understand.

It will be fun to bump this soon.

How soon, and fun for who?

 

[cvnpoka]

that does not look good for his knee

 

[Leonidas]

Looks like he is about to set a career low yardage for the second week in a row

 

[tombonneau]

Well OP was right it was time to sell. That's unarguable at this point.

 

[prgromek]

Calvin Johnson left Sunday's Week 4 game against the Bills with an ankle injury.
Johnson re-injured his ankle on a low tackle by Leodis McKelvin in the third quarter. He was able to walk off under his own power, but his return to the game is questionable. Johnson was held without a catch in the first half, and had only one reception for seven yards before exiting.

 

[Reegus]

if you could get him for a bye cleared aj green that is a huge steal. calvin will be useless this week, has another bye, and is in supreme danger of injuring himself further. its just the worst situation possible. this week he adds no value to your team and is at risk of a long term injury.

Wow your terrible posts continue to amaze me

sorry but if you disagree with this post then you havent been paying attention. yes, i will take a bye cleared aj green over a gimpy calvin johnson with a bye left. not that hard to understand.

It will be fun to bump this soon.

How soon, and fun for who?

Not this week that's for sure