Is Now the Time to Sell Calvin Johnson? (1 Viewer)

[jon_mx]

He has lost a step. Listen to some of the things people have said defending Calvin. He has had some bad match ups. The Calvin of a couple years ago didn't have bad match ups, he was too good. He also tore up the Bears, look at the stats, everyone tears up the Bears. All that said he is still a top 10 fantasy receiver this year and next, but it used to be Calvin and then everyone else, that isn't the case anymore.

he was hurt lunatic.

So he was still hurt last week and against the Cardinals, but magically got healthy on a short week? It had nothing to do with the Bears? If you don't think a 30 year old Calvin with 10 years in the league hasn't lost a step than you are the lunatic. Like I said before he is still easily a top 10 receiver, he just isn't the unquestioned best receiver in the league anymore.

Top 10 my ###. He is still the best receiver in the game with only a few which can be mentioned in the same breath. He will not pass Rice's 22,000 yards, but he should pass everyone else. He has three or four more prime years than about 4 years where he lost a step. He has not lost a step at 29.

 

[KellysHeroes]

He has lost a step. Listen to some of the things people have said defending Calvin. He has had some bad match ups. The Calvin of a couple years ago didn't have bad match ups, he was too good. He also tore up the Bears, look at the stats, everyone tears up the Bears. All that said he is still a top 10 fantasy receiver this year and next, but it used to be Calvin and then everyone else, that isn't the case anymore.

he was hurt lunatic.

So he was still hurt last week and against the Cardinals, but magically got healthy on a short week? It had nothing to do with the Bears? If you don't think a 30 year old Calvin with 10 years in the league hasn't lost a step than you are the lunatic. Like I said before he is still easily a top 10 receiver, he just isn't the unquestioned best receiver in the league anymore.

Top 10 my ###. He is still the best receiver in the game with only a few which can be mentioned in the same breath. He will not pass Rice's 22,000 yards, but he should pass everyone else. He has three or four more prime years than about 4 years where he lost a step. He has not lost a step at 29.

I would love to get 3 or 4 more "prime" yrs out of Calvin but I don't see it. Hes hurt every yr and misses more and more time each yr, honestly and I hate to say it but the cliff is coming faster than most think. The teams I have him on are contenders (not just playoff teams) but I'm real tempted to move on this yr and take a hit on value.

The problem for me is my leagues are pick crazy and last yr I was offered a mid round package. Funny part is if I took it I would of had an ODB plus.

 

[jon_mx]

He has lost a step. Listen to some of the things people have said defending Calvin. He has had some bad match ups. The Calvin of a couple years ago didn't have bad match ups, he was too good. He also tore up the Bears, look at the stats, everyone tears up the Bears. All that said he is still a top 10 fantasy receiver this year and next, but it used to be Calvin and then everyone else, that isn't the case anymore.

he was hurt lunatic.

So he was still hurt last week and against the Cardinals, but magically got healthy on a short week? It had nothing to do with the Bears? If you don't think a 30 year old Calvin with 10 years in the league hasn't lost a step than you are the lunatic. Like I said before he is still easily a top 10 receiver, he just isn't the unquestioned best receiver in the league anymore.

Top 10 my ###. He is still the best receiver in the game with only a few which can be mentioned in the same breath. He will not pass Rice's 22,000 yards, but he should pass everyone else. He has three or four more prime years than about 4 years where he lost a step. He has not lost a step at 29.

I would love to get 3 or 4 more "prime" yrs out of Calvin but I don't see it. Hes hurt every yr and misses more and more time each yr, honestly and I hate to say it but the cliff is coming faster than most think. The teams I have him on are contenders (not just playoff teams) but I'm real tempted to move on this yr and take a hit on value.

The problem for me is my leagues are pick crazy and last yr I was offered a mid round package. Funny part is if I took it I would of had an ODB plus.

He is hurt all the time and yet he reached 10,000 yards faster than any player and has the highest average yardage per game of all-time

 

[georg013]

Sometimes, we look for reasons to sell a guy just for the sake of making a transaction. If someone offered me ODB for Calvin straight up, it would be an easy decline. Calvin Johnson has had years of ELITE success against double coverages and game plans. ODB has had five good games. Let that marinate for a second. When ODB has shown me the ability to put up elite numbers for longer than TWO years, we can talk. There are too many one and dones in this league for me to get suckered into trading a proven stud for a rookie having five games worth of success. Pass. No one is jumping out of his seat to trade Forte for Forsett. Hot doesn't mean more talented.

 

[Dizzy]

Lots of stupid going on in here. A healthy Calvin will be in the Top 3 of all WR's the rest of the season. He has not lost a step. He is not a low-end WR2.

Please feel free to further educate us stupid folks then. You're saying it is the injury?

I apologize for being so stupid. I guess I'm still getting used to the New Megatron that jogs off the line and has defenders in his hip pocket.

Also, I may be stupid, but I have yet to see an athlete that can outrun Father Time. I certainly feel the on-field performance opens the conversation.

Again, my apologies for being so stupid.

Update?

Update? I get to say "IN YOUR FACE" to all of the play-off bound teams in my league.

Look at the original post, look at the article from last Monday (neither of which I wrote)... the conversations were/are valid.

Megatron's back. Can't wait for 2015!

 

[jon_mx]

Lots of stupid going on in here. A healthy Calvin will be in the Top 3 of all WR's the rest of the season. He has not lost a step. He is not a low-end WR2.

Please feel free to further educate us stupid folks then. You're saying it is the injury?

I apologize for being so stupid. I guess I'm still getting used to the New Megatron that jogs off the line and has defenders in his hip pocket.

Also, I may be stupid, but I have yet to see an athlete that can outrun Father Time. I certainly feel the on-field performance opens the conversation.

Again, my apologies for being so stupid.

Update?

Update? I get to say "IN YOUR FACE" to all of the play-off bound teams in my league.

Look at the original post, look at the article from last Monday (neither of which I wrote)... the conversations were/are valid.

Megatron's back. Can't wait for 2015!

My issue was with people calling him a WR3 and bunching him for a dozen of other WR.

 

[Hu-Tang Clan]

The only WR I would take ahead of him right now is Demaryius.

 

[Nugget]

I hope the midseason slow down due to injury drives his value down for 2015.

My Tiers:

Calvin

Demaryius

AJG

Dez

Antonio Bryant

Gordon

Jordy

Cobb

Julio

ODB

TY Hilton

Mess of about 8 more

 

[Dizzy]

Lots of stupid going on in here. A healthy Calvin will be in the Top 3 of all WR's the rest of the season. He has not lost a step. He is not a low-end WR2.

Please feel free to further educate us stupid folks then. You're saying it is the injury?

I apologize for being so stupid. I guess I'm still getting used to the New Megatron that jogs off the line and has defenders in his hip pocket.

Also, I may be stupid, but I have yet to see an athlete that can outrun Father Time. I certainly feel the on-field performance opens the conversation.

Again, my apologies for being so stupid.

Update?

Update? I get to say "IN YOUR FACE" to all of the play-off bound teams in my league.

Look at the original post, look at the article from last Monday (neither of which I wrote)... the conversations were/are valid.

Megatron's back. Can't wait for 2015!

My issue was with people calling him a WR3 and bunching him for a dozen of other WR.

At this moment, he's had two Megatron games book ending a terrible season by his standards. Nagging injuries combined with age are going to bring these conversations to light.

 

[Hu-Tang Clan]

I hope the midseason slow down due to injury drives his value down for 2015.

My Tiers:

Calvin

Demaryius

AJG

Dez

Antonio Bryant

Gordon

Jordy

Cobb

Julio

ODB

TY Hilton

Mess of about 8 more

If this is a hybrid of Antonio Brown and Martavis Bryant then I agree. You might be able to even move this guy into the top tier.

 

[Dizzy]

I hope the midseason slow down due to injury drives his value down for 2015.

I believe it already has (if the season ended today).

 

[CR69]

I hope the midseason slow down due to injury drives his value down for 2015.

My Tiers:

Calvin

Demaryius

AJG

Dez

Antonio Bryant

Gordon

Jordy

Cobb

Julio

ODB

TY Hilton

Mess of about 8 more

I'd put alshon in the tier with Gordon, and Evans/Watkins in the tier with ODB. Solid rankings other than those omissions.

 

[Alonzo Mosely]

More than happy to be able to get him with a late first next season

 

[georg013]

My hope is that this talk of a slowdown continues to fuel a HUGE postseason run for my franchise. Yeah, Calvin sucks and is NOT the same player...You reading this Calvin? You are a shell of your former self. Wink wink.

 

[jon_mx]

Lots of stupid going on in here. A healthy Calvin will be in the Top 3 of all WR's the rest of the season. He has not lost a step. He is not a low-end WR2.

Please feel free to further educate us stupid folks then. You're saying it is the injury?

I apologize for being so stupid. I guess I'm still getting used to the New Megatron that jogs off the line and has defenders in his hip pocket.

Also, I may be stupid, but I have yet to see an athlete that can outrun Father Time. I certainly feel the on-field performance opens the conversation.

Again, my apologies for being so stupid.

Update?

Update? I get to say "IN YOUR FACE" to all of the play-off bound teams in my league.

Look at the original post, look at the article from last Monday (neither of which I wrote)... the conversations were/are valid.

Megatron's back. Can't wait for 2015!

My issue was with people calling him a WR3 and bunching him for a dozen of other WR.

At this moment, he's had two Megatron games book ending a terrible season by his standards. Nagging injuries combined with age are going to bring these conversations to light.

Megaton was healthy and people were calling him a WR3. That is pure stupid.

 

[ghostguy123]

Wish he could play the bears every week.

 

[georg013]

Wish he could play the bears every week.

Upcoming schedule:

TampaBay

Minnesota

Chicago

You are playing "the Bears" every week!

 

[jon_mx]

Lots of stupid going on in here. A healthy Calvin will be in the Top 3 of all WR's the rest of the season. He has not lost a step. He is not a low-end WR2.

Supporting evidence other than your opinion?

11-146-2.....

 

[Oscar]

Lots of stupid going on in here. A healthy Calvin will be in the Top 3 of all WR's the rest of the season. He has not lost a step. He is not a low-end WR2.

Supporting evidence other than your opinion?

11-146-2.....

+Tampa Bay, Minnesota, Chicago in the next three weeks.

 

[jon_mx]

Sell! Sell! Sell!

 

[ShamrockPride]

You know there are just some guys so good, you stick with them til the bitter end. They're called ride or dies. Megatron is a ride or die.

 

[jon_mx]

Lots of stupid going on in here. A healthy Calvin will be in the Top 3 of all WR's the rest of the season. He has not lost a step. He is not a low-end WR2.

Supporting evidence other than your opinion?

11-146-2.....

How about this link...Calvin was #3 fantasy WR in Week 13-16, exactly as I said he would be. 5th best fantasy scorer amoung all positions during that time period.

1. Beckham, Odell NYG WR 162.90 32.580 16.40 30.90 44.30 34.80 36.50 2. Brown, Antonio PIT WR 120.70 24.140 31.70 20.70 22.30 20.20 25.80 3. Johnson, Calvin DET WR 112.90 22.580 37.60 29.80 9.30 16.30 19.90 4. Jones, Julio ATL WR 105.30 26.325 34.90 42.90 17.70 9.80 5. Bryant, Dez DAL WR 105.10 21.020 11.30 14.20 35.40 18.30 25.90

 

[msudaisy26]

Lots of stupid going on in here. A healthy Calvin will be in the Top 3 of all WR's the rest of the season. He has not lost a step. He is not a low-end WR2.

Please feel free to further educate us stupid folks then. You're saying it is the injury?

I apologize for being so stupid. I guess I'm still getting used to the New Megatron that jogs off the line and has defenders in his hip pocket.

Also, I may be stupid, but I have yet to see an athlete that can outrun Father Time. I certainly feel the on-field performance opens the conversation.

Again, my apologies for being so stupid.

Update?

Update? I get to say "IN YOUR FACE" to all of the play-off bound teams in my league.

Look at the original post, look at the article from last Monday (neither of which I wrote)... the conversations were/are valid.

Megatron's back. Can't wait for 2015!

My issue was with people calling him a WR3 and bunching him for a dozen of other WR.

I think your issue is with anyone claiming he isn't the best receiver in the league. About 5 posts up you yelled at me for not calling him the best receiver in the league but still easily within the top 10

 

[lod01]

One thing that is going against Calvin is the Detroit Lions defense. It's not that he's slipping or other WRs are better. The Lions don't need to score big to win games. That hurts production because this team is not about destroying he opposition. They will gladly run the ball down near the red zone and kick FGs. It wasn't as bad this year as last year but it takes away points from Calvin.

 

[georg013]

That D-Line is about to be blown to shreds with the departure of Suh. But I will say I do NOT like Caldwell's playcalling. They build a lead then run out the clock. I miss the old Lions.

 

[jon_mx]

Lots of stupid going on in here. A healthy Calvin will be in the Top 3 of all WR's the rest of the season. He has not lost a step. He is not a low-end WR2.

Please feel free to further educate us stupid folks then. You're saying it is the injury?

I apologize for being so stupid.

Again, my apologies for being so stupid.

Apology accepted.

 

[jon_mx]

Lots of stupid going on in here. A healthy Calvin will be in the Top 3 of all WR's the rest of the season. He has not lost a step. He is not a low-end WR2.

Please feel free to further educate us stupid folks then. You're saying it is the injury?

I apologize for being so stupid. I guess I'm still getting used to the New Megatron that jogs off the line and has defenders in his hip pocket.

Also, I may be stupid, but I have yet to see an athlete that can outrun Father Time. I certainly feel the on-field performance opens the conversation.

Again, my apologies for being so stupid.

Update?

Update? I get to say "IN YOUR FACE" to all of the play-off bound teams in my league.

Look at the original post, look at the article from last Monday (neither of which I wrote)... the conversations were/are valid.

Megatron's back. Can't wait for 2015!

My issue was with people calling him a WR3 and bunching him for a dozen of other WR.

I think your issue is with anyone claiming he isn't the best receiver in the league. About 5 posts up you yelled at me for not calling him the best receiver in the league but still easily within the top 10

I did not yell at you. I can't find your post, but I recall you said he was second tier and lost a step.

 

[msudaisy26]

He has lost a step. Listen to some of the things people have said defending Calvin. He has had some bad match ups. The Calvin of a couple years ago didn't have bad match ups, he was too good. He also tore up the Bears, look at the stats, everyone tears up the Bears. All that said he is still a top 10 fantasy receiver this year and next, but it used to be Calvin and then everyone else, that isn't the case anymore.

he was hurt lunatic.

So he was still hurt last week and against the Cardinals, but magically got healthy on a short week? It had nothing to do with the Bears? If you don't think a 30 year old Calvin with 10 years in the league hasn't lost a step than you are the lunatic. Like I said before he is still easily a top 10 receiver, he just isn't the unquestioned best receiver in the league anymore.

Top 10 my ###. He is still the best receiver in the game with only a few which can be mentioned in the same breath. He will not pass Rice's 22,000 yards, but he should pass everyone else. He has three or four more prime years than about 4 years where he lost a step. He has not lost a step at 29.

There you go. No second tier and yes he has lost a step. He isn't 25 anymore. Now go away!

 

[ghostguy123]

The time to get a huge haul is gone, as predicted by many here

 

[Dr. Octopus]

He has lost a step. Listen to some of the things people have said defending Calvin. He has had some bad match ups. The Calvin of a couple years ago didn't have bad match ups, he was too good. He also tore up the Bears, look at the stats, everyone tears up the Bears. All that said he is still a top 10 fantasy receiver this year and next, but it used to be Calvin and then everyone else, that isn't the case anymore.

he was hurt lunatic.

So he was still hurt last week and against the Cardinals, but magically got healthy on a short week? It had nothing to do with the Bears? If you don't think a 30 year old Calvin with 10 years in the league hasn't lost a step than you are the lunatic. Like I said before he is still easily a top 10 receiver, he just isn't the unquestioned best receiver in the league anymore.

Top 10 my ###. He is still the best receiver in the game with only a few which can be mentioned in the same breath. He will not pass Rice's 22,000 yards, but he should pass everyone else. He has three or four more prime years than about 4 years where he lost a step. He has not lost a step at 29.

There you go. No second tier and yes he has lost a step. He isn't 25 anymore. Now go away!

He's 29.

 

[msudaisy26]

He has lost a step. Listen to some of the things people have said defending Calvin. He has had some bad match ups. The Calvin of a couple years ago didn't have bad match ups, he was too good. He also tore up the Bears, look at the stats, everyone tears up the Bears. All that said he is still a top 10 fantasy receiver this year and next, but it used to be Calvin and then everyone else, that isn't the case anymore.

he was hurt lunatic.

So he was still hurt last week and against the Cardinals, but magically got healthy on a short week? It had nothing to do with the Bears? If you don't think a 30 year old Calvin with 10 years in the league hasn't lost a step than you are the lunatic. Like I said before he is still easily a top 10 receiver, he just isn't the unquestioned best receiver in the league anymore.

Top 10 my ###. He is still the best receiver in the game with only a few which can be mentioned in the same breath. He will not pass Rice's 22,000 yards, but he should pass everyone else. He has three or four more prime years than about 4 years where he lost a step. He has not lost a step at 29.

There you go. No second tier and yes he has lost a step. He isn't 25 anymore. Now go away!

He's 29.

He will be 30 when next year starts and 5 years in the NFL ages you like dog years. There is a reason careers are so short.

 

[jon_mx]

He has lost a step. Listen to some of the things people have said defending Calvin. He has had some bad match ups. The Calvin of a couple years ago didn't have bad match ups, he was too good. He also tore up the Bears, look at the stats, everyone tears up the Bears. All that said he is still a top 10 fantasy receiver this year and next, but it used to be Calvin and then everyone else, that isn't the case anymore.

he was hurt lunatic.

So he was still hurt last week and against the Cardinals, but magically got healthy on a short week? It had nothing to do with the Bears? If you don't think a 30 year old Calvin with 10 years in the league hasn't lost a step than you are the lunatic. Like I said before he is still easily a top 10 receiver, he just isn't the unquestioned best receiver in the league anymore.

Top 10 my ###. He is still the best receiver in the game with only a few which can be mentioned in the same breath. He will not pass Rice's 22,000 yards, but he should pass everyone else. He has three or four more prime years than about 4 years where he lost a step. He has not lost a step at 29.

There you go. No second tier and yes he has lost a step. He isn't 25 anymore. Now go away!

He's 29.

He will be 30 when next year starts and 5 years in the NFL ages you like dog years. There is a reason careers are so short.

Most of the top tier recievers are very good up to about 33. It is 34 when the skill set usually declines signifcantly. There are only a handful of WR's who have produced big years after 34. Jerry Rice actually put up a 1000 yard year at the age of 40.

 

[BobbyLayne]

He has lost a step. Listen to some of the things people have said defending Calvin. He has had some bad match ups. The Calvin of a couple years ago didn't have bad match ups, he was too good. He also tore up the Bears, look at the stats, everyone tears up the Bears. All that said he is still a top 10 fantasy receiver this year and next, but it used to be Calvin and then everyone else, that isn't the case anymore.

he was hurt lunatic.

So he was still hurt last week and against the Cardinals, but magically got healthy on a short week? It had nothing to do with the Bears? If you don't think a 30 year old Calvin with 10 years in the league hasn't lost a step than you are the lunatic. Like I said before he is still easily a top 10 receiver, he just isn't the unquestioned best receiver in the league anymore.

Top 10 my ###. He is still the best receiver in the game with only a few which can be mentioned in the same breath. He will not pass Rice's 22,000 yards, but he should pass everyone else. He has three or four more prime years than about 4 years where he lost a step. He has not lost a step at 29.

There you go. No second tier and yes he has lost a step. He isn't 25 anymore. Now go away!

He's 29.

He will be 30 when next year starts and 5 years in the NFL ages you like dog years. There is a reason careers are so short.

Most of the top tier recievers are very good up to about 33. It is 34 when the skill set usually declines signifcantly. There are only a handful of WR's who have produced big years after 34. Jerry Rice actually put up a 1000 yard year at the age of 40.

There have been a few exceptions but it's uncanny how many drop off after 33-34.

 

[lod01]

The only things dropping Calvin's stats are the coaching and the defense. Of course, having Stafford as the QB kinda sucks too....although it could always be worse. Hoping they sign Suh and then have to let Calvin go for cap reasons.

 

[msudaisy26]

He has lost a step. Listen to some of the things people have said defending Calvin. He has had some bad match ups. The Calvin of a couple years ago didn't have bad match ups, he was too good. He also tore up the Bears, look at the stats, everyone tears up the Bears. All that said he is still a top 10 fantasy receiver this year and next, but it used to be Calvin and then everyone else, that isn't the case anymore.

he was hurt lunatic.

So he was still hurt last week and against the Cardinals, but magically got healthy on a short week? It had nothing to do with the Bears? If you don't think a 30 year old Calvin with 10 years in the league hasn't lost a step than you are the lunatic. Like I said before he is still easily a top 10 receiver, he just isn't the unquestioned best receiver in the league anymore.

Top 10 my ###. He is still the best receiver in the game with only a few which can be mentioned in the same breath. He will not pass Rice's 22,000 yards, but he should pass everyone else. He has three or four more prime years than about 4 years where he lost a step. He has not lost a step at 29.

There you go. No second tier and yes he has lost a step. He isn't 25 anymore. Now go away!

He's 29.

He will be 30 when next year starts and 5 years in the NFL ages you like dog years. There is a reason careers are so short.

Most of the top tier recievers are very good up to about 33. It is 34 when the skill set usually declines signifcantly. There are only a handful of WR's who have produced big years after 34. Jerry Rice actually put up a 1000 yard year at the age of 40.

I understand that, but lets be honest. Here is Calvin's career. Most likely

First 2 or 3 years = serious talent, could be one of the best receivers in the league if he doesn't get hit by injuries or just loses focus

Next 5 or so year = best receiver in the game and it isn't close, he delivered on his talent and avoided injury.

Next 3 to 5 years = a top 10 receiver, no longer the unquestioned best in the game, but still in the conversation. Has lost a step, but because he was such a freak before he can still dominate any game, just won't do it as frequently as he did before.

Last remaining years = probably a red zone threat and possession receiver, expect him to miss some time every year.

 

[cvnpoka]

The only things dropping Calvin's stats are the coaching and the defense. Of course, having Stafford as the QB kinda sucks too....although it could always be worse. Hoping they sign Suh and then have to let Calvin go for cap reasons.

stafford seems to be a good qb for calvin. he has a strong arm and goes deep to him on jump balls often.

 

[ghostguy123]

Calvin is awesome still but if we are talking dynasty here not even sure i take him in the first round anymore. Will have to look at this later but i think that is the case.

Thay would be a huge drop from where many had him six months ago

 

[Ghost Rider]

It would appear as if the days of Stafford just flinging it up to Calvin and praying ,with it working sometimes and not working other times, are behind us. Stafford is obviously being coached to be much more careful with the ball, and that combined with their D being a lot better, the days of Megatron, even when healthy, dominating the WR stat sheet might be over. Now, that doesn't mean I think he won't be great anymore, but I am just saying, the days of him lapping the field might be a thing of the past.

 

[georg013]

Calvin is awesome still but if we are talking dynasty here not even sure i take him in the first round anymore. Will have to look at this later but i think that is the case.

Thay would be a huge drop from where many had him six months ago

Maybe ODB takes his spot as top asset? Out with the "old" (29), in with the new!

 

[ghostguy123]

No might. That is definitely over

 

[ghostguy123]

Calvin is awesome still but if we are talking dynasty here not even sure i take him in the first round anymore. Will have to look at this later but i think that is the case.

Thay would be a huge drop from where many had him six months ago

Maybe ODB takes his spot as top asset?

I will happily go ODB over calvin in dynasty.

 

[georg013]

Calvin is awesome still but if we are talking dynasty here not even sure i take him in the first round anymore. Will have to look at this later but i think that is the case.

Thay would be a huge drop from where many had him six months ago

Maybe ODB takes his spot as top asset?

I will happily go ODB over calvin in dynasty.

To each his own!

 

[Dez]

This is what Calvin went for in one of my leagues in last offseason in May of 2014. 12 team PPR league.

• Newfoundland gave up Johnson, Calvin DET WR
• Coney Island gave up Bush, Michael ARI RB;Sanders, Emmanuel DEN WR;Daniels, Owen BAL TE;Gates, Antonio SDC TE; Year 2014 Draft Pick 3.08; Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick from Coney Island;Year 2015 Round 2 Draft Pick from Coney Island;Year 2015 Round 2 Draft Pick from Cleveland ;Year 2015 Round 2 Draft Pick from South Carolina;Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick from Coney Island;Year 2016 Round 2 Draft Pick from Coney Island;Year 2016 Round 2 Draft Pick from Las Vegas

This is what I traded away to get Calvin at mid season this year in a 16 team PPR.

• Vesper Lynds | ElectricRelish & Henry Muto gave up Moncrief, Donte IND WR;Murphy, Louis TBB WR; Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick from Vesper Lynds | ElectricRelish & Henry Muto;Year 2015 Round 2 Draft Pick from Vesper Lynds | ElectricRelish & Henry Muto;Year 2015 Round 3 Draft Pick from Vesper Lynds | ElectricRelish & Henry Muto
• DieNasty Dbl-Os | GMBRKR gave up Johnson, Calvin DET WR; Year 2015 Round 4 Draft Pick from DieNasty Dbl-Os | GMBRKR

 

[jon_mx]

lost another step

 

[jon_mx]

Calvin is awesome still but if we are talking dynasty here not even sure i take him in the first round anymore. Will have to look at this later but i think that is the case.

Thay would be a huge drop from where many had him six months ago

Maybe ODB takes his spot as top asset?

I will happily go ODB over calvin in dynasty.

To each his own!

For dynasty, that is a no-brainer at this point.

 

[msudaisy26]

lost another step

You are insane if you think he is just as fast and can make moves like he did 5 years ago. This isn't your average aging of a person. That is 5 years of the NFL and injuries in him. Now instead of being faster than everyone in the field he is just as fast.

 

[ghostguy123]

Calvin is awesome still but if we are talking dynasty here not even sure i take him in the first round anymore. Will have to look at this later but i think that is the case.

Thay would be a huge drop from where many had him six months ago

Maybe ODB takes his spot as top asset?

I will happily go ODB over calvin in dynasty.

To each his own!

Do a poll. Cant imagine more than 10% of people take calvin over ODB.

 

[msudaisy26]

In dynasty I am taking OBJ. Redraft I will take Calvin.

 

[georg013]

Calvin is awesome still but if we are talking dynasty here not even sure i take him in the first round anymore. Will have to look at this later but i think that is the case.

Thay would be a huge drop from where many had him six months ago

Maybe ODB takes his spot as top asset?

I will happily go ODB over calvin in dynasty.

To each his own!

Do a poll. Cant imagine more than 10% of people take calvin over ODB.

Everyone loves the flavor of the week. OBJ is hot right now. Just like Mili Vanili. The question is, is OBJ more like Stevie Wonder or more like Right Said Fred.

 

[msudaisy26]

I didn't know OBJ was blind. I am moving him down the board a spot