Yep. Don't expect anyone to care though. I posted links in the Biden thread about the environmental risks of the EV transition and :crickets:. No one cares. As long as we're getting off fossil fuels it doesn't matter. It's a religion to some people.
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Is nuclear energy the answer to climate change? (1 Viewer)
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Yep. Don't expect anyone to care though. I posted links in the Biden thread about the environmental risks of the EV transition and :crickets:. No one cares. As long as we're getting off fossil fuels it doesn't matter. It's a religion to some people.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
I don't care. Why? Because renewables is an industry still in its infancy and there are cleantech startups across the country working on this very opportunity.
Do you believe in capitalism and the profit motive? Well, simple supply and demand applies here.
Prior to now there just wasn't enough demand via solar panels coming to the end of life to warrant a business model getting funded by investors. Now demand is just starting to get there, spurring investment to flow that way. Anything sooner would have been waste of money.
And BTW, the the GOP had complete control in 2017-18.
What specifically did the GOP do to move the needle on this nuclear technology that so many conservatives seem to think is the holy grail?
Or is nuclear just something to latch onto and use to virtue signal (since denial/hoax has been exposed) now that the Democrats are actually trying to get something done?
:crickets:
Stoneworker
Footballguy
First Solar ($3B annual sales) not only has state-of-the-art recycling centers, but actually has historically set aside funds to handle end-of-life solar panel collection and recycling.
So another renewable myth busted.
With the sale of each module, First Solar historically set aside sufficient funds to meet the estimated future collection and recycling costs of its modules. Individual modules are labeled with information for the owner on how to return the end-of-life module.
https://www.firstsolar.com/modules/recycling
So another renewable myth busted.
With the sale of each module, First Solar historically set aside sufficient funds to meet the estimated future collection and recycling costs of its modules. Individual modules are labeled with information for the owner on how to return the end-of-life module.
https://www.firstsolar.com/modules/recycling
quick-hands
Footballguy
Maybe it's smart not to switch a economy based on energy to one that's in its infancy by virtue signaling democrats, ya think?
:crickets:
quick-hands
Footballguy
Stoneworker
Footballguy
So then where are the game-changing GOP investments to switch to nuclear? Why aren't conservatives writing bills to bargain with Democrats and move this thing forward?
Until then it's just talk.
quick-hands
Footballguy
Republicans can't even get a pipeline completed. You think they could they could get a nuclear plant built? Lol.
Trillions have been spent on privately on wind and solar. What % of our energy do we get from that?
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Lol. Fair enough on GOP.
What have we gotten from the solar investment? Solar is now the world's cheapest cost electricity option in history, according to International Energy Agency.
And getting cheaper.
The world’s best solar power schemes now offer the “cheapest…electricity in history” with the technology cheaper than coal and gas in most major countries.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea/
quick-hands
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Watts Bar 2 was finished while Obama was in office after years of construction being stopped due to decreased demand for power. Restarted in 2007 and came online in 2016.
So yes…seems a Nuclear plant can get built
FairWarning
Footballguy
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Any historical sunk costs are irrelevant. What's relevant is ROI on incrementally new invested dollars.
quick-hands
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Lawrence Livemore Lab has huge breakthrough
Seemed a pretty big achievement and figured it would be good for this thread.
Seemed a pretty big achievement and figured it would be good for this thread.
Lol...solar is the cheapest energy in the world....as long as you are in the middle of the desert and want to use it at noon. If it doesn't deliver the power when and where you need it, it is not worth anything. The conclusion they arrived at does not follow from the logic.
I find it odd that you'd post a year old article that talks about the possibility of a breakthrough, instead of one from this week confirming that breakthrough:
Nuclear Fusion Breakthrough Confirmed: California Team Achieved Ignition
If we could harness fusion to generate electricity, it would be one of the most efficient and least polluting sources of energy possible.
www.newsweek.com
sho nuff
Footballguy
Probably because i had seen something on facebook and the link didn’t pull up in a browser. So when i searched…i pulled that link. My bad
I find it odd that you'd post a year old article that talks about the possibility of a breakthrough, instead of one from this week confirming that breakthrough:
Nuclear Fusion Breakthrough Confirmed: California Team Achieved Ignition
If we could harness fusion to generate electricity, it would be one of the most efficient and least polluting sources of energy possible.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
You have no idea what you are talking about.
4 of the top 10 states with solar are in the Mid-Atlantic/East Coast (New Jersey, North Carolina, Massachusetts and Virginia).
Hardly in the "desert."
Top 10 Solar States | SEIA
What are the top ten states in solar? Our infographic includes the number of megawatts installed, number of houses powered, and jobs generated. See if your state made the list.
www.seia.org
timschochet
Footballguy
Why are you criticizing him for bringing attention to it? Either way it’s a huge story (perhaps the biggest of our lives) and it’s very exciting.
I find it odd that you'd post a year old article that talks about the possibility of a breakthrough, instead of one from this week confirming that breakthrough:
Nuclear Fusion Breakthrough Confirmed: California Team Achieved Ignition
If we could harness fusion to generate electricity, it would be one of the most efficient and least polluting sources of energy possible.
timschochet
Footballguy
I think we should give these folks unlimited funds. Let’s start with 100 billion and take it from there. I’m dead serious.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
4 of the top 10 states with solar are in the Mid-Atlantic/East Coast (New Jersey, North Carolina, Massachusetts and Virginia).
Hardly in the "desert."
Top 10 Solar States | SEIA
What are the top ten states in solar? Our infographic includes the number of megawatts installed, number of houses powered, and jobs generated. See if your state made the list.
Which has zero to do with what I said. You want to promote the cost per KW for solar as if you don't have to store it and transport it. This is why so many liberal ideas end up complete failures, because they are short-sighted and don't take into account all the factors.
timschochet
Footballguy
Solar energy isn’t a liberal idea and @Stoneworker is not exactly a liberal guy. Also- most liberal ideas are successful, as history has very consistently demonstrated.You have no idea what you are talking about.
4 of the top 10 states with solar are in the Mid-Atlantic/East Coast (New Jersey, North Carolina, Massachusetts and Virginia).
Hardly in the "desert."
Top 10 Solar States | SEIA
What are the top ten states in solar? Our infographic includes the number of megawatts installed, number of houses powered, and jobs generated. See if your state made the list.
Which has zero to do with what I said. You want to promote the cost per KW for solar as if you don't have to store it and transport it. This is why so many liberal ideas end up complete failures, because they are short-sighted and don't take into account all the factors.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
I'm all for major investments as a long term solution...but the commercial development time horizon is far too long and risky for it to have a meaningful impact on keeping temps below the 1.5-2.0 degree threshold.
Solar energy isn’t a liberal idea and @Stoneworker is not exactly a liberal guy. Also- most liberal ideas are successful, as history has very consistently demonstrated.You have no idea what you are talking about.
4 of the top 10 states with solar are in the Mid-Atlantic/East Coast (New Jersey, North Carolina, Massachusetts and Virginia).
Hardly in the "desert."
Top 10 Solar States | SEIA
What are the top ten states in solar? Our infographic includes the number of megawatts installed, number of houses powered, and jobs generated. See if your state made the list.
Which has zero to do with what I said. You want to promote the cost per KW for solar as if you don't have to store it and transport it. This is why so many liberal ideas end up complete failures, because they are short-sighted and don't take into account all the factors.
Thinking we can solve all our energy needs with wind and solar is in fact a concept that leftists have been pushing.
Where I divide the left and right is one of collectivists who value equity above all vs. those who value jndividual responsibility and equality. Trying to produce equity is doomed to failure and has done so throughout history. Liberalism wants to take credit for all change but that is not where the divide is. Defining conservatives as status quo is not an accurate assessment of politics. It is why Republicans supported freeing the slaves and the civil rights movement until civil rights went beyond the battle for equality and became a battle for equal outcomes.
timschochet
Footballguy
First off, if you’re going to refer to leftists then refer to them. Not to liberals. I am a liberal; I am not a leftist,Solar energy isn’t a liberal idea and @Stoneworker is not exactly a liberal guy. Also- most liberal ideas are successful, as history has very consistently demonstrated.You have no idea what you are talking about.
4 of the top 10 states with solar are in the Mid-Atlantic/East Coast (New Jersey, North Carolina, Massachusetts and Virginia).
Hardly in the "desert."
Top 10 Solar States | SEIA
What are the top ten states in solar? Our infographic includes the number of megawatts installed, number of houses powered, and jobs generated. See if your state made the list.
Which has zero to do with what I said. You want to promote the cost per KW for solar as if you don't have to store it and transport it. This is why so many liberal ideas end up complete failures, because they are short-sighted and don't take into account all the factors.
Thinking we can solve all our energy needs with wind and solar is in fact a concept that leftists have been pushing.
Where I divide the left and right is one of collectivists who value equity above all vs. those who value jndividual responsibility and equality. Trying to produce equity is doomed to failure and has done so throughout history. Liberalism wants to take credit for all change but that is not where the divide is. Defining conservatives as status quo is not an accurate assessment of politics. It is why Republicans supported freeing the slaves and the civil rights movement until civil rights went beyond the battle for equality and became a battle for equal outcomes.
Second, conservatives generally opposed freeing the slaves and many opposed the Civil Rights Movement: During the Civil War era the Republican Party was liberal and the Democratic Party was conservative. In the 1960s many Republicans were still liberal. There are no liberal Republicans today.
First off, if you’re going to refer to leftists then refer to them. Not to liberals. I am a liberal; I am not a leftist,Solar energy isn’t a liberal idea and @Stoneworker is not exactly a liberal guy. Also- most liberal ideas are successful, as history has very consistently demonstrated.You have no idea what you are talking about.
4 of the top 10 states with solar are in the Mid-Atlantic/East Coast (New Jersey, North Carolina, Massachusetts and Virginia).
Hardly in the "desert."
Top 10 Solar States | SEIA
What are the top ten states in solar? Our infographic includes the number of megawatts installed, number of houses powered, and jobs generated. See if your state made the list.
Which has zero to do with what I said. You want to promote the cost per KW for solar as if you don't have to store it and transport it. This is why so many liberal ideas end up complete failures, because they are short-sighted and don't take into account all the factors.
Thinking we can solve all our energy needs with wind and solar is in fact a concept that leftists have been pushing.
Where I divide the left and right is one of collectivists who value equity above all vs. those who value jndividual responsibility and equality. Trying to produce equity is doomed to failure and has done so throughout history. Liberalism wants to take credit for all change but that is not where the divide is. Defining conservatives as status quo is not an accurate assessment of politics. It is why Republicans supported freeing the slaves and the civil rights movement until civil rights went beyond the battle for equality and became a battle for equal outcomes.
Second, conservatives generally opposed freeing the slaves and many opposed the Civil Rights Movement: During the Civil War era the Republican Party was liberal and the Democratic Party was conservative. In the 1960s many Republicans were still liberal. There are no liberal Republicans today.
You want to describe liberals as all things good and take credit for it. The Republican party just does not flip from conservative to liberal to conservative to liberal at some whim to meet your worldview. There are tweeks from populists which cause some movement between parties, but in general the GOP represents conservative ideals, and there is not a massive exodus of general principles.
Today's leftist, progressive, liberal, Democrat.....are all plagued by this elitist wokist ideology who love how big tech and universities have become the gatekeeper of truth, information and speech, so real dissent is no longer allowed which is producing this collective stupidity we are seeing today.
Why are you criticizing him for bringing attention to it? Either way it’s a huge story (perhaps the biggest of our lives) and it’s very exciting.
I find it odd that you'd post a year old article that talks about the possibility of a breakthrough, instead of one from this week confirming that breakthrough:
Nuclear Fusion Breakthrough Confirmed: California Team Achieved Ignition
If we could harness fusion to generate electricity, it would be one of the most efficient and least polluting sources of energy possible.
If saying I find something odd is considered criticism, it's got to be the mildest form of criticism EVER. Why do some of you guys always look for something negative in everything? Sheesh.
The Commish
Footballguy
Florida here....pays for itself. My bill peaks at $50 in the hottest months. No idea what he's talking about.You have no idea what you are talking about.
4 of the top 10 states with solar are in the Mid-Atlantic/East Coast (New Jersey, North Carolina, Massachusetts and Virginia).
Hardly in the "desert."
Top 10 Solar States | SEIA
What are the top ten states in solar? Our infographic includes the number of megawatts installed, number of houses powered, and jobs generated. See if your state made the list.
Florida here....pays for itself. My bill peaks at $50 in the hottest months. No idea what he's talking about.You have no idea what you are talking about.
4 of the top 10 states with solar are in the Mid-Atlantic/East Coast (New Jersey, North Carolina, Massachusetts and Virginia).
Hardly in the "desert."
Top 10 Solar States | SEIA
What are the top ten states in solar? Our infographic includes the number of megawatts installed, number of houses powered, and jobs generated. See if your state made the list.
That is because your utility company is buying all your daytime excess and providing your power at night.
1. Not everyone lives in the sunshine state with property/roof sufficient to mount panels to.
2. You are still dependant upon fossil fuels when solar is not available
3. The current utility company is solving your storage problem for you. If you were solar only you would require an expensive bank of batteries with a lot of environmentally damaging chemicals and materials with limited life.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Thanks. That is consistent with most current solar installations, which yield either instant savings (lease financing) or short payback (ownership).Florida here....pays for itself. My bill peaks at $50 in the hottest months. No idea what he's talking about.You have no idea what you are talking about.
4 of the top 10 states with solar are in the Mid-Atlantic/East Coast (New Jersey, North Carolina, Massachusetts and Virginia).
Hardly in the "desert."
Top 10 Solar States | SEIA
What are the top ten states in solar? Our infographic includes the number of megawatts installed, number of houses powered, and jobs generated. See if your state made the list.
He's got this bizarre notion that "leftists" don't factor in transmission and battery costs, but in your case (as in 99% of residential rooftop installs) there was likely zero incremental transmission required? Just plug and play.
Of course new transmission lines will be required for a massive deployment of wind and solar to ship electricity from ideal generation locations (wind=Plains states, solar = southwest) to population centers (e.g. east coast). But numerous studies (from NREL and others) have shown that building these out will cost no more than already expected capital improvements to the transmission side of the grid.
I just don't go into this with the guy since he's already got his mind made up and clearly doesn't understand the technological advances that have been made integrating renewables into the grid.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Well, clearly you don't understand what's in Biden's Inflation Reduction Act.Meanwhile I post a very clear response which demonstrates my understanding. I am so sick of the tired old leftist tactic of dismissing people because the left is not intelligent enough to discuss and do not want their ideas challenged.Thanks. That is consistent with most current solar installations, which yield either instant savings (lease financing) or short payback (ownership).Florida here....pays for itself. My bill peaks at $50 in the hottest months. No idea what he's talking about.You have no idea what you are talking about.
4 of the top 10 states with solar are in the Mid-Atlantic/East Coast (New Jersey, North Carolina, Massachusetts and Virginia).
Hardly in the "desert."
Top 10 Solar States | SEIA
What are the top ten states in solar? Our infographic includes the number of megawatts installed, number of houses powered, and jobs generated. See if your state made the list.
He's got this bizarre notion that "leftists" don't factor in transmission and battery costs, but in your case (as in 99% of residential rooftop installs) there was likely zero incremental transmission required? Just plug and play.
Of course new transmission lines will be required for a massive deployment of wind and solar to ship electricity from ideal generation locations (wind=Plains states, solar = southwest) to population centers (e.g. east coast). But numerous studies (from NREL and others) have shown that building these out will cost no more than already expected capital improvements to the transmission side of the grid.
I just don't go into this with the guy since he's already got his mind made up and clearly doesn't understand the technological advances that have been made integrating renewables into the grid.
You've got some bizarre notion that its some "leftist" wind and solar conspiracy legislation, when in fact the new bill contains equal subsidies for nuclear as it does for renewables. The president of the Nuclear Energy Institute just stated as much. May the best clean technology contribute the most they can after all costs, permitting, transmission and other challenges are factored in.
The energy provisions in the Inflation Reduction Act send a clear signal that nuclear is essential to the transition toward a carbon-free economy that also provides long-term, quality clean energy jobs.
The investment and tax incentives for both large, existing nuclear plants and newer, advanced reactors, as well as HALEU [high-assay, low-enriched uranium] and hydrogen production, set nuclear energy on a level playing field, ensuring that nuclear can form the backbone of a stable electric grid that also includes large shares of wind and solar."
Inflation Reduction Act passed by the US House
The US House of Representatives has voted to pass the Inflation Reduction Act, which now heads to President Joe Biden to be signed into law. The passing of the wide-ranging bill, which includes support for existing and new nuclear, was welcomed by the nuclear industry.;
www.world-nuclear-news.org
Well, clearly you don't understand what's in Biden's Inflation Reduction Act.Meanwhile I post a very clear response which demonstrates my understanding. I am so sick of the tired old leftist tactic of dismissing people because the left is not intelligent enough to discuss and do not want their ideas challenged.Thanks. That is consistent with most current solar installations, which yield either instant savings (lease financing) or short payback (ownership).Florida here....pays for itself. My bill peaks at $50 in the hottest months. No idea what he's talking about.You have no idea what you are talking about.
4 of the top 10 states with solar are in the Mid-Atlantic/East Coast (New Jersey, North Carolina, Massachusetts and Virginia).
Hardly in the "desert."
Top 10 Solar States | SEIA
What are the top ten states in solar? Our infographic includes the number of megawatts installed, number of houses powered, and jobs generated. See if your state made the list.
He's got this bizarre notion that "leftists" don't factor in transmission and battery costs, but in your case (as in 99% of residential rooftop installs) there was likely zero incremental transmission required? Just plug and play.
Of course new transmission lines will be required for a massive deployment of wind and solar to ship electricity from ideal generation locations (wind=Plains states, solar = southwest) to population centers (e.g. east coast). But numerous studies (from NREL and others) have shown that building these out will cost no more than already expected capital improvements to the transmission side of the grid.
I just don't go into this with the guy since he's already got his mind made up and clearly doesn't understand the technological advances that have been made integrating renewables into the grid.
You've got some bizarre notion that its some "leftist" wind and solar conspiracy legislation, when in fact the new bill contains equal subsidies for nuclear as it does for renewables. The president of the Nuclear Energy Institute just stated as much. May the best clean technology contribute the most they can after all costs, permitting, transmission and other challenges are factored in.
The energy provisions in the Inflation Reduction Act send a clear signal that nuclear is essential to the transition toward a carbon-free economy that also provides long-term, quality clean energy jobs.
The investment and tax incentives for both large, existing nuclear plants and newer, advanced reactors, as well as HALEU [high-assay, low-enriched uranium] and hydrogen production, set nuclear energy on a level playing field, ensuring that nuclear can form the backbone of a stable electric grid that also includes large shares of wind and solar."
Inflation Reduction Act passed by the US House
The US House of Representatives has voted to pass the Inflation Reduction Act, which now heads to President Joe Biden to be signed into law. The passing of the wide-ranging bill, which includes support for existing and new nuclear, was welcomed by the nuclear industry.;www.world-nuclear-news.org
That is a good step. My projection is that money will be used on existing plants and that any effort to build something new will be quickly killed. That is still a positive step, so is the investment in technology. I am not holding my breath for new nuclear plants, that is something that really needed and should have been started decades ago.
The Commish
Footballguy
Weird....I have a bank of batteries on the wall....could have sworn that's what was helping me in the evenings, but you know better than I do I guess. They weren't that expensive at all. I only have $50 payments because my state legislature is beholden to the energy companies and allow them to charge us a "minimum" and require us to be hooked up to the grid. Otherwise my bill in the hottest months would be $1 or so.Florida here....pays for itself. My bill peaks at $50 in the hottest months. No idea what he's talking about.You have no idea what you are talking about.
4 of the top 10 states with solar are in the Mid-Atlantic/East Coast (New Jersey, North Carolina, Massachusetts and Virginia).
Hardly in the "desert."
Top 10 Solar States | SEIA
What are the top ten states in solar? Our infographic includes the number of megawatts installed, number of houses powered, and jobs generated. See if your state made the list.
That is because your utility company is buying all your daytime excess and providing your power at night.
1. Not everyone lives in the sunshine state with property/roof sufficient to mount panels to.
2. You are still dependant upon fossil fuels when solar is not available
3. The current utility company is solving your storage problem for you. If you were solar only you would require an expensive bank of batteries with a lot of environmentally damaging chemicals and materials with limited life.
Of course NONE of this goes to the shortsighted comment you made earlier.
The Commish
Footballguy
The only reason I have any sort of charge is because of my legislature....they bend over backwards for the electric companies down here. We have had one exception as of late, that was much appreciated by good ole Ronnie D himself where he vetoed legislation that was going to reduce our "payback" from 1:1 which is complete *********, so I did appreciate him doing what he did. Documented in the Florida Politics a few months back.
I can't believe how far the technology has come in the few short years we've had our system. It's 25% paid for itself in 4 short years....way better returns than we projected.
matttyl
Footballguy
Which, if my math is right, would be a break even in 16 years. What is the useful life of these systems? Don’t they get a bit less efficient as time passes? I took a good honest look at this last year and my payback, using generous assumptions, was like 20 years if nothing goes wrong. I may look again next year or two with the 30% tax credit of the new bill (if passed).
The Commish
Footballguy
Ours has a warranty of either 20 or 25 years. We'd have been at break even at about 10-12 years without the batteries. As I mentioned before, technology is changing so quickly. We didn't even consider batteries at initial set up...just two years later we added them. Should also be pointed out that we likely wouldn't have done any of this without the tax incentives. Just made sense for us to do.
matttyl
Footballguy
The only way I’d do it is with the tax incentives as well. I think you said you were in Florida? High cost of electricity means a shorter payback (plus a lot more summer usage). If I could get my payback to about when my 7 year old goes to college I’d do it, but that’s getting shorter all the time and the tax credit boost doesn’t start till next year.
The Commish
Footballguy
Tax incentives plus the rate you are reimbursed for matter. For now, we are 1:1 on reimbursement. Whatever the cost of a Kw, that's what we are credited. Energy companies are working hard to get that ratio reduced.
The frontrunners in the trillion-dollar race for limitless fusion power
Nuclear, believe it or not, is booming again. And with a serious pile of private and public funding behind them, these companies say they’re even getting closer to fusion.
www.fastcompany.com
timschochet
Footballguy
This is really exciting news. And it’s nice, for once, to see almost all of us on the same side- and a positive, hopeful side at that.The frontrunners in the trillion-dollar race for limitless fusion power
Nuclear, believe it or not, is booming again. And with a serious pile of private and public funding behind them, these companies say they’re even getting closer to fusion.
joffer
Footballguy
fusion isn’t ready. continue the research by all means. but it’s a long way offThis is really exciting news. And it’s nice, for once, to see almost all of us on the same side- and a positive, hopeful side at that.The frontrunners in the trillion-dollar race for limitless fusion power
Nuclear, believe it or not, is booming again. And with a serious pile of private and public funding behind them, these companies say they’re even getting closer to fusion.
fusion isn’t ready. continue the research by all means. but it’s a long way offThis is really exciting news. And it’s nice, for once, to see almost all of us on the same side- and a positive, hopeful side at that.The frontrunners in the trillion-dollar race for limitless fusion power
Nuclear, believe it or not, is booming again. And with a serious pile of private and public funding behind them, these companies say they’re even getting closer to fusion.
We used to say the same thing about electric cars and reusable rockets.
This is a very under-rated thread.
The latest news about melting glaciers is pretty dire. Kudos to California for being the first to ban gas powered autos. But how in the hell is CA going to power all these electric vehicles when they can’t even handle the current energy demand? Something gotta give, and it has to be embracing nuclear power.
The latest news about melting glaciers is pretty dire. Kudos to California for being the first to ban gas powered autos. But how in the hell is CA going to power all these electric vehicles when they can’t even handle the current energy demand? Something gotta give, and it has to be embracing nuclear power.
Shutout
Footballguy
Have not read the thread through, yet, but short answer: yes, nuclear energy is the true answer to energy crisis concerns. There has always been a lot of information to support that it is cleaner, less intrusive on the environment (this idea of battery mining and solar panel/blade disposal is just crazy when you consider its net-negative impact...still don't know how people support it with a straight face).
The issue with nuclear seems to always come back to fear planted into the public and not coincidently, seems to be coming form those who benefit from non-nuclear options.
The issue with nuclear seems to always come back to fear planted into the public and not coincidently, seems to be coming form those who benefit from non-nuclear options.
Shutout
Footballguy
yup, there is a heat-wave coming beginning tomorrow and they are already asking people to volunteer to conserve power. They couldn't possibly support electric vehicles, etc.
Shutout
Footballguy
Electric cars have come a long way but they are still FAR from efficient. The effort it takes to obtain the materials and dispose of the batteries, alone is just mind-boggling.fusion isn’t ready. continue the research by all means. but it’s a long way offThis is really exciting news. And it’s nice, for once, to see almost all of us on the same side- and a positive, hopeful side at that.The frontrunners in the trillion-dollar race for limitless fusion power
Nuclear, believe it or not, is booming again. And with a serious pile of private and public funding behind them, these companies say they’re even getting closer to fusion.
We used to say the same thing about electric cars and reusable rockets.
Plus, where do these materials come from? the only place we have two of the 6-7 critical components are in Nevada. We would have to rely on Africa, China, etc. Ok, let's say we are willing to get into bed with that. How does a TRUE environmentalist accept that because we know for a fact that if they are supplying 80% of these components, there is zero environmental regulations in those areas. Those are the things people should be demanding if they truly want a greener world because the USA contributes like 5% of the problem pollutants to the world. But China, itself, is accountable for something like 26%. You could do 5-6 more times for the work without doing ANYTHING in America if you held them accountable. Why don't we?
FairWarning
Footballguy
I think it's more based on disasters like Chernobyl than anything the media does.
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