Is Orton a Top 5 QB in Week 17? (1 Viewer)

[Tango]

If Cam Newton is a Top 5 QB this week, then how can Kyle Orton not be too?

the case against Cam:

1. He has 1 300 yard passing game all year

2. Steve Smith is out

3. Cam is hobbled and is not running for 50 yards and is less likely than ever to score a rushing TD

4. Significant probability that the 4th quarter is spent running out the clock by both teams

the case for Orton:

1. The Eagles have given up 6 300 yard games including two big passing games recently against the Vikings and the Cardinals

2. The 53.5 over/under is the highest of the week (though when factoring in the spead the Panthers are actually slated to score 3 more points than the Cowboys)

3. the Cowboys will not sit on a lead. Even if they're up a couple scores early in the 4th, they're still probably throwing b/c of the power of the opponent's offense and because the opponent is as desperate as they are

I see Orton as (1) far more likely to throw for 300, (2) as throwing for slightly more TDs and (3) neither rushing for anything of note. Add it up, and Orton>>>Newton this week.

 

[smapdi]

If Cam Newton is a Top 5 QB this week, then how can Kyle Orton not be too?

the case against Cam:

1. He has 1 300 yard passing game all year

2. Steve Smith is out

3. Cam is hobbled and is not running for 50 yards and is less likely than ever to score a rushing TD

4. Significant probability that the 4th quarter is spent running out the clock by both teams

the case for Orton:

1. The Eagles have given up 6 300 yard games including two big passing games recently against the Vikings and the Cardinals

2. The 53.5 over/under is the highest of the week (though when factoring in the spead the Panthers are actually slated to score 3 more points than the Cowboys)

3. the Cowboys will not sit on a lead. Even if they're up a couple scores early in the 4th, they're still probably throwing b/c of the power of the opponent's offense and because the opponent is as desperate as they are

I see Orton as (1) far more likely to throw for 300, (2) as throwing for slightly more TDs and (3) neither rushing for anything of note. Add it up, and Orton>>>Newton this week.

Total gut call her but I feel like Orton should be in the conversation. I also feel like Newton will have a pretty good week compared to his recent run with the division on the line.

Newton has transformed himself IMO at least. He has really grown up this year and I think he comes out inspired to prove all of the "haters" (Too immature, never will be a legit NFL QB) wrong in the biggest game of his career. His rushing stats have been closed to non-existent the last couple weeks:

7 for 12

4 for 6

He obviously took a couple knicks but I think the Doc hooks him up so that isn't an issue. I think he and the coaches step it up to make sure they get that division. I would be shocked if he doesn't put up at least 50 yards rushing today against a bad ATL D. With Smith out, he will feel the need to carry that offense.

Call me crazy, but I almost feel better as a Dez Bryant owner with Orton in there. He isn't stupid; he is going to feed his best weapon. The big "if" is what Garrett has in store for the gameplan but I think they will be compelled to pass in the 2nd half. If I'm Orton, I'm looking towards Dez

Go back to 2008-10: http://www.nfl.com/player/kyleorton/2506444/profile

Orton was a steady, efficient QB for both DEN and CHI.

His 2 years in DEN as starter:

28 starts; 7400 yards / 41 TD / 21 INT

That looks pretty good to me. Nothing spectacular but he knows what he's doing.

He's no Jeff Tuel

Pair that with the Eagle ineptitude defending the pass and the very high over/under and I think DAL will be able to keep up

 

[msudaisy26]

Just a gut feeling for me but this screams of Matt Flynn against Detroit.

 

[AllVolUT]

If Cam Newton is a Top 5 QB this week, then how can Kyle Orton not be too?

the case against Cam:

1. He has 1 300 yard passing game all year

2. Steve Smith is out

3. Cam is hobbled and is not running for 50 yards and is less likely than ever to score a rushing TD

4. Significant probability that the 4th quarter is spent running out the clock by both teams

the case for Orton:

1. The Eagles have given up 6 300 yard games including two big passing games recently against the Vikings and the Cardinals

2. The 53.5 over/under is the highest of the week (though when factoring in the spead the Panthers are actually slated to score 3 more points than the Cowboys)

3. the Cowboys will not sit on a lead. Even if they're up a couple scores early in the 4th, they're still probably throwing b/c of the power of the opponent's offense and because the opponent is as desperate as they are

I see Orton as (1) far more likely to throw for 300, (2) as throwing for slightly more TDs and (3) neither rushing for anything of note. Add it up, and Orton>>>Newton this week.

I agree on both - Cam underperforms (unfortunate because I need him more than ever today) and Orton slings it around. I think Orton finishes higher than Cam today, but neither finish in the top 5.

 

[smapdi]

If Cam Newton is a Top 5 QB this week, then how can Kyle Orton not be too?

the case against Cam:

1. He has 1 300 yard passing game all year

2. Steve Smith is out

3. Cam is hobbled and is not running for 50 yards and is less likely than ever to score a rushing TD

4. Significant probability that the 4th quarter is spent running out the clock by both teams

the case for Orton:

1. The Eagles have given up 6 300 yard games including two big passing games recently against the Vikings and the Cardinals

2. The 53.5 over/under is the highest of the week (though when factoring in the spead the Panthers are actually slated to score 3 more points than the Cowboys)

3. the Cowboys will not sit on a lead. Even if they're up a couple scores early in the 4th, they're still probably throwing b/c of the power of the opponent's offense and because the opponent is as desperate as they are

I see Orton as (1) far more likely to throw for 300, (2) as throwing for slightly more TDs and (3) neither rushing for anything of note. Add it up, and Orton>>>Newton this week.

I agree on both - Cam underperforms (unfortunate because I need him more than ever today) and Orton slings it around. I think Orton finishes higher than Cam today, but neither finish in the top 5.

Boy oh Boy do I need Cam today! Squaring off against Peyton Manning in league championship minus Megatron... Uggghhhh

As a Cam owner to Cam owner, I feel like he is due for a big one. I've survived to make it to my title game on a string of mediocre performances by him; now I need him to really step it up and take it. What gives me hope is how badly the Bills beat up on that ATL defense in Toronto a few weeks ago. If Buffalo can do that, Cam shouldn't have too much of a problem; even without Steve Smith

I think at least 1 of the 2 finish top 5 this week. And I have a feeling the other one will not be too far away

 

[Thunderlips]

No. Eagles are looking for blood and have a bit of an underrated D. Orton's a desperate play at best.

 

[Snotbubbles]

If Cam Newton is a Top 5 QB this week, then how can Kyle Orton not be too?

the case against Cam:

1. He has 1 300 yard passing game all year

2. Steve Smith is out

3. Cam is hobbled and is not running for 50 yards and is less likely than ever to score a rushing TD

4. Significant probability that the 4th quarter is spent running out the clock by both teams

the case for Orton:

1. The Eagles have given up 6 300 yard games including two big passing games recently against the Vikings and the Cardinals

2. The 53.5 over/under is the highest of the week (though when factoring in the spead the Panthers are actually slated to score 3 more points than the Cowboys)

3. the Cowboys will not sit on a lead. Even if they're up a couple scores early in the 4th, they're still probably throwing b/c of the power of the opponent's offense and because the opponent is as desperate as they are

I see Orton as (1) far more likely to throw for 300, (2) as throwing for slightly more TDs and (3) neither rushing for anything of note. Add it up, and Orton>>>Newton this week.

Posted in another thread:

Arizona's yardage vs. Philly: 260 pass yards, 90 rush yards.

Since week 4, the Eagles have given up more than 21 points once (MIN). 300 yards passing three times (NYG, OAK, MIN). 100 yards rushing twice (OAK, WAS).

IMO, Dallas would be smart to lean on Murray. This will lessen the possessions and keep the Dallas defense off the field. The only way I see Orton as a top 5 passer this week is if Dallas gets behind early (which could happen). But if the game is close or Dallas is up, Murray should get more touches.

 

[Thunderlips]

If Cam Newton is a Top 5 QB this week, then how can Kyle Orton not be too?

the case against Cam:

1. He has 1 300 yard passing game all year

2. Steve Smith is out

3. Cam is hobbled and is not running for 50 yards and is less likely than ever to score a rushing TD

4. Significant probability that the 4th quarter is spent running out the clock by both teams

the case for Orton:

1. The Eagles have given up 6 300 yard games including two big passing games recently against the Vikings and the Cardinals

2. The 53.5 over/under is the highest of the week (though when factoring in the spead the Panthers are actually slated to score 3 more points than the Cowboys)

3. the Cowboys will not sit on a lead. Even if they're up a couple scores early in the 4th, they're still probably throwing b/c of the power of the opponent's offense and because the opponent is as desperate as they are

I see Orton as (1) far more likely to throw for 300, (2) as throwing for slightly more TDs and (3) neither rushing for anything of note. Add it up, and Orton>>>Newton this week.

Posted in another thread:

Arizona's yardage vs. Philly: 260 pass yards, 90 rush yards.

Since week 4, the Eagles have given up more than 21 points once (MIN). 300 yards passing three times (NYG, OAK, MIN). 100 yards rushing twice (OAK, WAS).

IMO, Dallas would be smart to lean on Murray. This will lessen the possessions and keep the Dallas defense off the field. The only way I see Orton as a top 5 passer this week is if Dallas gets behind early (which could happen). But if the game is close or Dallas is up, Murray should get more touches.

I think if DAL gets behind early(17 or 21 - 0)....they don't have the testicular fortitude to grit it out. They'll just pack it in. If the game is a close one and Murrary doesn't get 30 touches and DAL doesn't kill in time of possession, every Cowboy coach should get fired.

To me, that's the only way DAL wins this...

 

[smapdi]

If Cam Newton is a Top 5 QB this week, then how can Kyle Orton not be too?

the case against Cam:

1. He has 1 300 yard passing game all year

2. Steve Smith is out

3. Cam is hobbled and is not running for 50 yards and is less likely than ever to score a rushing TD

4. Significant probability that the 4th quarter is spent running out the clock by both teams

the case for Orton:

1. The Eagles have given up 6 300 yard games including two big passing games recently against the Vikings and the Cardinals

2. The 53.5 over/under is the highest of the week (though when factoring in the spead the Panthers are actually slated to score 3 more points than the Cowboys)

3. the Cowboys will not sit on a lead. Even if they're up a couple scores early in the 4th, they're still probably throwing b/c of the power of the opponent's offense and because the opponent is as desperate as they are

I see Orton as (1) far more likely to throw for 300, (2) as throwing for slightly more TDs and (3) neither rushing for anything of note. Add it up, and Orton>>>Newton this week.

Posted in another thread:

Arizona's yardage vs. Philly: 260 pass yards, 90 rush yards.

Since week 4, the Eagles have given up more than 21 points once (MIN). 300 yards passing three times (NYG, OAK, MIN). 100 yards rushing twice (OAK, WAS).

IMO, Dallas would be smart to lean on Murray. This will lessen the possessions and keep the Dallas defense off the field. The only way I see Orton as a top 5 passer this week is if Dallas gets behind early (which could happen). But if the game is close or Dallas is up, Murray should get more touches.

That will obviously be the plan going in with Orton at QB but I have a feeling that they will be needing to throw the ball sooner rather then later. I would be thinking that the Eagles will put all they have into stopping Murray and forcing Orton to throw.

 

[Tango]

1. Newton has transformed himself IMO at least. He has really grown up this year and I think he comes out inspired to prove all of the "haters" (Too immature, never will be a legit NFL QB) wrong in the biggest game of his career.

2. His rushing stats have been closed to non-existent the last couple weeks:

7 for 12

4 for 6

He obviously took a couple knicks but I think the Doc hooks him up so that isn't an issue. I think he and the coaches step it up to make sure they get that division. I would be shocked if he doesn't put up at least 50 yards rushing today against a bad ATL D. With Smith out, he will feel the need to carry that offense.

I added numbers above:

1. His numbers are almost exactly the same as last year, including the turnovers. He's upticked in comeback wins and 4th Q winning drives which is nice, but his game has not evolved at all. He's really the same guy...and that is *not* a knock on Cam. He has always been good enough to win a division; it's just that the team around him has improved this year.

2. Cam hurt his toe two weeks ago and started to run a lot less, then he added the ankle to it last week. He'll be fine to play in the game, but if I had Tolbert I'd be starting him. I sincerely doubt they'll be running it with Cam at the 1 unless they're losing/desperate and I see no way he can put together the 10-15 yard scrambles necessary to get to 50 yards.

 

[Tango]

Just a gut feeling for me but this screams of Matt Flynn against Detroit.

That's definitely in the mix.

But Carolina and Newton won at home vs the Falcons earlier this year, scored 30+ points doing it, and Cam's output was still miserable from a fantasy perspective. If he repeats that, they'll be a lot of crying here (possibly from me).

So assuming that Cam wont be a big factor in the running game, which of these two would you say has a better chance of getting to 300 yds? Knowing that Cam has managed 1x 300 yd game this year and that both the Panthers *and* the Falcons may be looking to run out the clock in the 4th....I still say it's Orton. And if Orton is more likely to hit 300, then he also should hang with or surpass Cam in passing TDs.

 

[smapdi]

Newton was not limited by the injury in practice this week and should be close to 100 percent against the Falcons. He looks like a strong play against Atlanta's weak pass defense, though keep in mind that he'll be playing without top receiver Steve Smith (knee). Ted Ginn will likely start in Smith's place

Well, this little blurb makes me feel much better. More then likely, to reach that top 5 status, he's going to need a rushing TD. And hopefully a long bomb to Ginn for a nice 73 yard TD

 

[Tango]

With Megatron out, Orton moves ahead of Stafford IMO...

 

[Tango]

Newton was not limited by the injury in practice this week and should be close to 100 percent against the Falcons. He looks like a strong play against Atlanta's weak pass defense, though keep in mind that he'll be playing without top receiver Steve Smith (knee). Ted Ginn will likely start in Smith's place

Well, this little blurb makes me feel much better. More then likely, to reach that top 5 status, he's going to need a rushing TD. And hopefully a long bomb to Ginn for a nice 73 yard TD

did you watch the games the last two weeks? After seeing the hesitation and ineffectiveness over the past two weeks when he'd usually run for big yds, I have a hard time believing that he'll be effective running.

 

[Tango]

Newton was not limited by the injury in practice this week and should be close to 100 percent against the Falcons. He looks like a strong play against Atlanta's weak pass defense, though keep in mind that he'll be playing without top receiver Steve Smith (knee). Ted Ginn will likely start in Smith's place

Well, this little blurb makes me feel much better. More then likely, to reach that top 5 status, he's going to need a rushing TD. And hopefully a long bomb to Ginn for a nice 73 yard TD

did you watch the games the last two weeks? After seeing the hesitation and ineffectiveness over the past two weeks when he'd usually run for big yds, I have a hard time believing that he'll be effective running.

Though John Lynch reports from the stadium that the ankle is a "non-issue"

 

[smapdi]

Newton was not limited by the injury in practice this week and should be close to 100 percent against the Falcons. He looks like a strong play against Atlanta's weak pass defense, though keep in mind that he'll be playing without top receiver Steve Smith (knee). Ted Ginn will likely start in Smith's place

Well, this little blurb makes me feel much better. More then likely, to reach that top 5 status, he's going to need a rushing TD. And hopefully a long bomb to Ginn for a nice 73 yard TD

did you watch the games the last two weeks? After seeing the hesitation and ineffectiveness over the past two weeks when he'd usually run for big yds, I have a hard time believing that he'll be effective running.

I just think the Trainer's will give him a little something "extra" for the pain today and he will power through whatever discomfort.

This is the biggest game of his career.. even more so with Steve Smith out. You know he is fired up

 

[Tango]

I just think the Trainer's will give him a little something "extra" for the pain today and he will power through whatever discomfort.

This is the biggest game of his career.. even more so with Steve Smith out. You know he is fired up

Looked great on that scramble. My theory is blown! : )