oubrownsfan
Footballguy
The word has been that he will be ready for week 1....however, I have not heard of him practicing on the side, running, or testing the knee without contact...any inside scoop?
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Is Pierre Thomas Practicing at all? (1 Viewer)
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oubrownsfan
Footballguy
I see Knowshon Moreno(Sprained MCL) is back practicing.....but nothing on Pierre.
Aardvarks
Footballguy
Pierre has been on the practice field doing little things on the side for about a week now. His knee is slightly worse than reported but it's getting better. My source is totally legit.
I'd guess Pierre might be questionable for Detroit wk 1 and might play sparingly. But overall he'll be OK.
FYI Reggie Bush is fine, they have been over-precautious with him per owner's orders.
I'd guess Pierre might be questionable for Detroit wk 1 and might play sparingly. But overall he'll be OK.
FYI Reggie Bush is fine, they have been over-precautious with him per owner's orders.
War Eagle
Footballguy
buck naked
Footballguy
I watched Pierre Thomas, in person, score 2 TD's against the Bears on a Thursday night game last year. One was about a 30-40 yard td run. He clearly is a better runner than Reggie Bush. Everything my eyes told me said he was not a one year wonder. But hey, if we all agreed what fun would this be?
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Talk about a one year wonder.One decent PRESEASON game agains the hapless Raiders, and fantasy footballers the world over are scouring ebay for used Mike Bell jock straps.
zadok
Footballguy
In the only game he started in 07:20 rushes 105 yds (5.3 avg), 12 rec 121 yds (10.1 avg) 1 TD.
footballnerd
Footballguy
Anyone that can't beat out Tatum "Five Fingers" Bell for the starting spot is not going take the Saints starting tailback spot.
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silentmark
Footballguy
oubrownsfan
Footballguy
bump for any news as of 9/3 practice
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
This is simply not based in fact. Brees and coach Payton have both indicated he will have a role in the backfield. People will still ignore the facts however and believe what they want to believe.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
It is very rare that you hear a coach discuss a veteran player and say something like - "He is an OK player. He probably wont see the field much unless we have an injury or are up by 3 TDs in the 4th quarter". Even if that is what they want to say, which I imagine is what they want to say about Mike Bell.If you want to take all the coach-speak sound bytes from the pre-season as the gospel, I would warn that you will be in for a very long season.My opinion for whatever it's worth is that Bell will have a prominant role....on special teams.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I'm about 99% sure that Mike Bell will be in my starting lineup week 1. At home, vs. the Lions, should be up 20 in no time. Pound the ball in the second half. If they are going to pound, I want the back who is completely healthy. No matter what, they won't give the ball 20X to guys who aren't practicing. Even if Bush and Thomas figure more prominently in their success (and they do), for WEEK 1 Bell will be the better play, and could be in for a big week. Common sense my friends. Use it.
rjv
Footballguy
Why I made him my last pick this weekend for a handcuff
TenTimes
Backhoe Operator
Why not?
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Like I said people will believe what they want. The facts will be coming soon to wake you up however. Bell has been pretty much the best back this offseason and when coach Payton is talking about him it is not just paying him lip service. He will play and he will see some goal line love. Keep holding out hope he will go away based off of what he was looking like with other teams who cant evaluate or coach talent. Denver tried to make him a full back for Christ sakes! He is not a fullback for sure and Shanahan and Kubiac were ridiculous to think so. he has been a completely different animal this offseason. Payton and Brees both mean it and they are not just praising Bell, they are actually going beyond that into detail about how he could be used. That would be highly unfair to Bell to spout that kind of information off and then don't do it especially considering the effort he has put in this offseason. I tell you what, I will gladly bump this thread for the unbelievers in a few weeks when we know how this thing turned out.
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I wouldn't be too sure. Ladell Betts has been told how big a role he'll have with the Skins for the last 3 years, only to rot on the bench unless Portis needs a breather. I'm not saying you are wrong about Bell, just saying I've learned to take what a coach says with a grain of salt.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Betts is in the backfield with one of the great running backs - Clinton Portis. you are not comparing Pierre Thomas to Portis are you?
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Pipes
Footballguy
Why do you assume PT & Bush are going to be healthy? PT is injured coming into the season, even though he's supposed to be ready for week 1 it still isn't good for a RB to start the season nicked up, and Bush is coming off major knee surgery. To me, at the very least, Mike Bell is an extremely valuable insurance policy.
PatytonsGhost
Footballguy
I remember that game, he was unstoppable. Heres to great value
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Spot on. Sometimes a change of scenery/coaches is just what a player needs.
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PatytonsGhost
Footballguy
So using your logic Jeremy Shockey, Meachem and Henderson should all have become studs as well, since the Saints turn players into studs. Not trying to be a donkey here but this logic does not validate why Bell should be considered. Opportunity is the only real reason why Mike Bell could ever be considered.
PatytonsGhost
Footballguy
I respect your opinion but you are sooo completely wrong on your analysis on these two RB's its not even close.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Shockey will be a stud this year. As for the WR's, Henderson has improved, I did not notice near as many drops last season. Meachum just needs to stay healthy. He is the Reggie Bush of our Wr corps (stays hurt and hasn't reached his potential). Bell is not injured in fact he is the only healthy starting RB we have at the moment.
Im saying disregarding Mike Bell cuz hes a "nobody" is stupid cuz the Saints have a recent history with some other "nobodies" (Colston, Moore, Thomas) and them becoming studs. Im not saying Bell is gonna be a stud but dont just ignore him and Im a Thomas owner.
too each their own. PT played one competent defense last season, a high school RB could have blown up vs the D's he played.
PatytonsGhost
Footballguy
Ok i will agree that the schedule last year was easy for the Saints on the Offensive side, however you cannot blame Pierre Thomas for taking advantage of it. You play who you are scheduled to play, plain and simple. Look at Deangelo Williams he took major advantage of this, and so did PT to a lesser degree. Just because the schedule was easy doesn't mean that PT is not good.The schedule looks a little bit harder this year but who knows, PT may excel this year again, and you will be saying that he had another easy schedule again next year while I take advantage and draft this donkey whenever I can. If Mike Bell outperforms PT I will be the first one to say moderated you were right.
most people i know don't have the balls to admit i was right (which i don't mean to sound like an #### but i am right a huge percentage of the time). so i'll appreciate it when i get that PM.
PatytonsGhost
Footballguy
Likewise i hope
i'll do one better. If PT breaks 1,200 yards from scrimmage i'll ship you $20 paypal.
gethugefast1
Footballguy
Saints running game looking better with Mike Bell
Posted: Wednesday August 26, 2009 3:53 AM
METAIRIE, La. (AP) -Mike Bell looks back on his last days in Denver with self-loathing.
Now trying to save his career with the New Orleans Saints, Bell described his former self as an egotistical malcontent who gained too much weight and became a cancer in the locker room after the Broncos moved him from running back to fullback.
"I felt like I was betrayed and I felt like I didn't even want to play anymore,'' Bell recalled after practice Tuesday. "That's why I gained all that weight - not only because I was playing fullback, but because I just didn't care and almost just let myself go.
"I don't blame them for cutting me; I would've cut me too,'' Bell continued. "Nobody wants somebody that's cancerous to the team with that attitude, someone that's always complaining and saying that he deserves this or deserves that. In all actuality, I don't think I deserved anything.''
Bell said his new approach is to treat every day on the field as if it may be his last, which may sound cliche, but has served him well.
During last weekend's preseason contest against the Houston Texans, Bell gained 100 yards on 10 carries, highlighted by his 46-yard touchdown run.
The performance provided a good indication of what coach Sean Payton was talking about after last spring's draft, when he justified his decision not to select a running back by saying the answer to Deuce McAllister's departure might already be "in the building.''
"He runs hard,'' Payton said. "He's a physical player. I think he's had a real good offseason and camp. I'm encouraged. He's in good shape and his weight is where we want it to be.''
The 6-foot-1 Bell said he weighs 219 pounds now, down from as much as 233 before he was released by Denver after the 2007 season. The Houston Texans picked him up in time for 2008 training camp, but waived him a few weeks later.
He joined the Saints in mid-November last season, but played only sparingly.
In his last two seasons, he's rushed for a total of 45 yards on 19 carries, shocking numbers in light of what he did after Denver signed him as an undrafted rookie out of Arizona in 2006.
Bell rushed for 677 yards, averaging 4.3 yards per carry, and scored eight touchdowns in his first season with the Broncos. But Bell said he lacked the perspective to understand how far and how fast a player can fall in the NFL.
"My head was too high in the clouds. I probably couldn't even fit in the door,'' Bell said. "A rookie free-agent coming in, getting a starting spot in nine days, scoring eight touchdowns on a premier team - I needed to get cut twice for me to be humbled and work my way back up, to be a bottom-feeder again and have that mentality. I think it was good. I think it was a blessing. It's bad that I had to learn the hard way but sometimes that's what it takes.''
While the top two running backs in the Saints' offense are Reggie Bush and Pierre Thomas, New Orleans needs another option when the situation calls for a more basic, punishing, clock-eating approach.
The last time the Saints made the playoffs in 2006, they could count on McAllister to fill that role. But the Saints chose to part ways with their all-time rusher last winter, taking the position - however unpopular with fans - that the 30-year-old McAllister's age and history with serious knee injuries were working against him.
That left Bell, 26, and former San Diego State running back Lynell Hamilton, 24, as the top two candidates to fill that void. The Saints also have brought in undrafted rookies P.J. Hill of Wisconsin and Herb Donaldson of Western Illinois for a look.
Bell has stood out most in the preseason, so far, and his strong performance in the Saints' preseason victory over the Texans clearly made an impression on the coaching staff.
"He earned some trust and he proved that he may be able to fill that void that we've been talking about for the last six months,'' Saints running back coach Bret Ingalls said. "He's shown that he knows how to attack the defense, be a physical guy and not show any sign of fear. ... He was a guy that wasn't playing for a couple years, so now I think he feels this is his opportunity to step up.''
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/foot...l#ixzz0Q6FG6uPq
Posted: Wednesday August 26, 2009 3:53 AM
METAIRIE, La. (AP) -Mike Bell looks back on his last days in Denver with self-loathing.
Now trying to save his career with the New Orleans Saints, Bell described his former self as an egotistical malcontent who gained too much weight and became a cancer in the locker room after the Broncos moved him from running back to fullback.
"I felt like I was betrayed and I felt like I didn't even want to play anymore,'' Bell recalled after practice Tuesday. "That's why I gained all that weight - not only because I was playing fullback, but because I just didn't care and almost just let myself go.
"I don't blame them for cutting me; I would've cut me too,'' Bell continued. "Nobody wants somebody that's cancerous to the team with that attitude, someone that's always complaining and saying that he deserves this or deserves that. In all actuality, I don't think I deserved anything.''
Bell said his new approach is to treat every day on the field as if it may be his last, which may sound cliche, but has served him well.
During last weekend's preseason contest against the Houston Texans, Bell gained 100 yards on 10 carries, highlighted by his 46-yard touchdown run.
The performance provided a good indication of what coach Sean Payton was talking about after last spring's draft, when he justified his decision not to select a running back by saying the answer to Deuce McAllister's departure might already be "in the building.''
"He runs hard,'' Payton said. "He's a physical player. I think he's had a real good offseason and camp. I'm encouraged. He's in good shape and his weight is where we want it to be.''
The 6-foot-1 Bell said he weighs 219 pounds now, down from as much as 233 before he was released by Denver after the 2007 season. The Houston Texans picked him up in time for 2008 training camp, but waived him a few weeks later.
He joined the Saints in mid-November last season, but played only sparingly.
In his last two seasons, he's rushed for a total of 45 yards on 19 carries, shocking numbers in light of what he did after Denver signed him as an undrafted rookie out of Arizona in 2006.
Bell rushed for 677 yards, averaging 4.3 yards per carry, and scored eight touchdowns in his first season with the Broncos. But Bell said he lacked the perspective to understand how far and how fast a player can fall in the NFL.
"My head was too high in the clouds. I probably couldn't even fit in the door,'' Bell said. "A rookie free-agent coming in, getting a starting spot in nine days, scoring eight touchdowns on a premier team - I needed to get cut twice for me to be humbled and work my way back up, to be a bottom-feeder again and have that mentality. I think it was good. I think it was a blessing. It's bad that I had to learn the hard way but sometimes that's what it takes.''
While the top two running backs in the Saints' offense are Reggie Bush and Pierre Thomas, New Orleans needs another option when the situation calls for a more basic, punishing, clock-eating approach.
The last time the Saints made the playoffs in 2006, they could count on McAllister to fill that role. But the Saints chose to part ways with their all-time rusher last winter, taking the position - however unpopular with fans - that the 30-year-old McAllister's age and history with serious knee injuries were working against him.
That left Bell, 26, and former San Diego State running back Lynell Hamilton, 24, as the top two candidates to fill that void. The Saints also have brought in undrafted rookies P.J. Hill of Wisconsin and Herb Donaldson of Western Illinois for a look.
Bell has stood out most in the preseason, so far, and his strong performance in the Saints' preseason victory over the Texans clearly made an impression on the coaching staff.
"He earned some trust and he proved that he may be able to fill that void that we've been talking about for the last six months,'' Saints running back coach Bret Ingalls said. "He's shown that he knows how to attack the defense, be a physical guy and not show any sign of fear. ... He was a guy that wasn't playing for a couple years, so now I think he feels this is his opportunity to step up.''
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/foot...l#ixzz0Q6FG6uPq
gethugefast1
Footballguy
Could three backs see playing time in New Orleans?
By Brian Murphy, Thursday, August 27, 2009
"If you ask me what his strengths are I'd say Mike Bell is an upright runner who stays the course," Payton said. "He's pretty physical when he hits the hole. I think he has pretty good acceleration. He can lower his pads. Those are some of the things if you are paying attention to practice and watching us, you can see it in the goal line. Those are some of his strengths."
Source: profootballtalk.com
Everyone figured that running back Pierre Thomas would get most of the carries with the New Orleans Saints and that Reggie Bush would chime in with about 10-15 touches per game. But now there seems to be a third man peeking his head into the Saints' backfield. According to profootballtalk.com, Saints head coach Sean Payton was asked Wednesday whether he would use a "three-headed monster" of Reggie Bush, Pierre Thomas, and Mike Bell in the backfield and said, "I think a lot of people do." More alarming is the quote that hints toward Bell getting touches near the goal line.
Talk is sometimes cheap, but if this is something to be wary of if you drafted Pierre Thomas in the third or fourth round in your league. If Bell steals the goal line carries, that would be a huge development, hurting Thomas' and Bush's value and making Bell roster-worthy.
By Brian Murphy, Thursday, August 27, 2009
"If you ask me what his strengths are I'd say Mike Bell is an upright runner who stays the course," Payton said. "He's pretty physical when he hits the hole. I think he has pretty good acceleration. He can lower his pads. Those are some of the things if you are paying attention to practice and watching us, you can see it in the goal line. Those are some of his strengths."
Source: profootballtalk.com
Everyone figured that running back Pierre Thomas would get most of the carries with the New Orleans Saints and that Reggie Bush would chime in with about 10-15 touches per game. But now there seems to be a third man peeking his head into the Saints' backfield. According to profootballtalk.com, Saints head coach Sean Payton was asked Wednesday whether he would use a "three-headed monster" of Reggie Bush, Pierre Thomas, and Mike Bell in the backfield and said, "I think a lot of people do." More alarming is the quote that hints toward Bell getting touches near the goal line.
Talk is sometimes cheap, but if this is something to be wary of if you drafted Pierre Thomas in the third or fourth round in your league. If Bell steals the goal line carries, that would be a huge development, hurting Thomas' and Bush's value and making Bell roster-worthy.
TenTimes
Backhoe Operator
montanagold
Footballguy
People forget that Payton is a Bill Parcels guy. Parcels finds talent and players that do their job with heart from weird places. He also gives those guys the rock. Go and look at the 2003 Dallas Cowboys and tell me who he displaced Emmitt Smith for. Can anyone say Troy Hambrick?Who else was there.. Aveion Cason, Richie Anderson, and Murrell. Hmmmm....Can I get an amen... just sayin!
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PatytonsGhost
Footballguy
Do you want to join the party?"i'll do one better. If PT breaks 1,200 yards from scrimmage i'll ship you $20 paypal."I have no problem with this
montanagold
Footballguy
Haha.... You never know. BTW.... go look and see who was the Assistant Coach for that Cowboys team.
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Do I think Mike Bell is better than Bush or Thomas? No
But lets be real..Bush is about as delicate as fine china, and French RBs are not known for their toughness.
Seriously though. Bel is worth a flyer late in the draft. Any RB on the Saints with Brees passing is going to be effective, even if his name is Bell.
But lets be real..Bush is about as delicate as fine china, and French RBs are not known for their toughness.
Seriously though. Bel is worth a flyer late in the draft. Any RB on the Saints with Brees passing is going to be effective, even if his name is Bell.
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Butt-Head
Footballguy
I was able to keep Thomas for the cost of a 10th round pick in a 2 player keeper league and pulled the trigger on Mike Bell in the 15th round of that same league that drafts 16 players.
This is after having taken Mike Bell in the fourth round the year he was supposed to be "THE GUY" in Denver and set me back drastically.
To me the only certainty is that Bush will go down at some point. PT can play and I won't discount the ability for Payton to find quality players that can produce in his offense, no matter where they came from or if they weren't drafted. Bell will be a cheap insurance policy that I hope to cash in from time to time. Especially this week against Detroit.
I only wish that I could see into the future and determine who holds more value between Henderson and Meachem.
This is after having taken Mike Bell in the fourth round the year he was supposed to be "THE GUY" in Denver and set me back drastically.
To me the only certainty is that Bush will go down at some point. PT can play and I won't discount the ability for Payton to find quality players that can produce in his offense, no matter where they came from or if they weren't drafted. Bell will be a cheap insurance policy that I hope to cash in from time to time. Especially this week against Detroit.
I only wish that I could see into the future and determine who holds more value between Henderson and Meachem.
Butt-Head
Footballguy
I was able to keep Thomas for the cost of a 10th round pick in a 2 player keeper league and pulled the trigger on Mike Bell in the 15th round of that same league that drafts 16 players.
This is after having taken Mike Bell in the fourth round the year he was supposed to be "THE GUY" in Denver and set me back drastically.
To me the only certainty is that Bush will go down at some point. PT can play and I won't discount the ability for Payton to find quality players that can produce in his offense, no matter where they came from or if they weren't drafted. Bell will be a cheap insurance policy that I hope to cash in from time to time. Especially this week against Detroit.
I only wish that I could see into the future and determine who holds more value between Henderson and Meachem.
This is after having taken Mike Bell in the fourth round the year he was supposed to be "THE GUY" in Denver and set me back drastically.
To me the only certainty is that Bush will go down at some point. PT can play and I won't discount the ability for Payton to find quality players that can produce in his offense, no matter where they came from or if they weren't drafted. Bell will be a cheap insurance policy that I hope to cash in from time to time. Especially this week against Detroit.
I only wish that I could see into the future and determine who holds more value between Henderson and Meachem.
