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Several times last night Bush would take a stutter step or stab, and wound up losing 2-3 yards. If he kept running forward those losses would be gains...small gains but positive yardage.
Oh...ok.You're saying RB has Dunn's power and rushing skills then?
This is the name that keeps popping into my head. Will Stecker take over Deuce's role in the offense? Will It be more of a split tandem between Bush and Stecker? Will Bush get 75-80% of the touches and Stecker the rest? Will they put the entire load on Bush with Stecker getting a series or two to keep Bush fresh?I think this deserves it's own pollAaron Stecker
Let's make it 20 then. Can Reggie Bush run between the tackles 20 times a game?
TheFanatic said:This is the name that keeps popping into my head. Will Stecker take over Deuce's role in the offense? Will It be more of a split tandem between Bush and Stecker? Will Bush get 75-80% of the touches and Stecker the rest? Will they put the entire load on Bush with Stecker getting a series or two to keep Bush fresh?I think this deserves it's own pollAaron Stecker
Pierre Thomas
This is the right answer.
The answer to this question is: "Yes Reggie can carry it 20 times between the tackles." It isn't a big deal. He carried 18 times in the first half against UCLA and had over 200 yards and 3 TDs, 14 of those carries were between the tackles and he was just warming up. Running that many times is about stamina and endurance, not durability. Durability is an isse of injury and Reggie has no history of that save a minor ankle here or there. Mewelde Moore was a workhorse at Tulane and could be one in Minnesota if asked to do so. More carries for any back means more chances to get hurt... any back. Norwood was a workhorse in the SEC and could be one in Atlanta if asked to be. Addai was never a workhorse at LSU, but it is no big deal for him to be one now. The whole notion of a workhorse back is way overthought. Most backs can be every down backs if their coaches ask them to. It is that simple. There are a few who seem limited, but just a few. There are a few who seem injury prone, but that's impossible to predict, and Bush has no history or injury.That's the answer to "can he"?The answer to your first question even downgraded to 20 is: "Maybe, but probably not." That offense has a very sophisticated tooling that uses Reggie wide in order to spread the defense and open up the middle for a ground attack. Reggie is not fully cross trained at Deuce's position and they are two completely different positions. I doubt Payton changes his entire offensive scheme over this injury. Reggie will be a little more involved but Stecker will take Deuce's role and the game plans will be similar. Payton needs to shake things up, but I have a feeling that doesn't involve lining up Reggie in Deuce's spot and pounding him up the middle... though Reggie could do that. He'd look bad sometimes dancing around, and he'd find a seam here and there and tear it up.ConstruxBoy said:
I answered "yes" the first time.I don't think there's any real reason to believe that Reggie Bush is more likely to be injured running between the tackles than, say, Deuce McAllister, and I think he can be effective in that role. It may take him some time to settle down to the idea of pushing forward for 2 yards when that's necessary instead of trying to score on every play.ConstruxBoy said:
Let me know when UCLA joins the NFC South.
Not sure he'll get the opportunity. 20 touches I can see.ConstruxBoy said:
same for Tomlinson?
Would you just not run much or would you give Stecker a good number of carries?
Exactly. This isn't college and he isn't playing on an offense that is vastly superior to its opponents, as he was at USC. I think the Saints would be foolish to try and turn him into a 20 carry/game back - his skills (and his propensity to head east/west) aren't suited for trying to pound between the tackles. He should get a few more carries, but I don't think the Saints offense will improve with him slamming into the teeth of the defense repeatedly.
No you guys are "exactly" wrong and not comprehending. By your standards college must be tougher than the NFL because Addai couldn't carry the load at LSU. College being too tough for Addai and too easy for Bush has nothing to do with it. Either back can carry the load if given the chance. Way too much is made of this topic. It is a coach's decision and nothing more. Amost every back in the league could carry the load if given the opportunity. How successful they would be is another question.I never said Bush would be as productive with 20+ carries in the NFL as he was in college, so your replies don't really make sense or address the topic. Productivity is totally different than whether or not he could handle the carries. Anyway Construx asked two questions: Will he get that many carries, and can he handle that many. You two seem to be answering the question, "should he get that many?" I don't have an answer to that one. I guess the Saints should give him a try and find out if he "should". But I know he "can", and because of the nature of the installed offense, I doubt he "will". Capice? I doubt it.
He's also a heck of a back for a wide receiver.
I do think he's dancing way too much and far too indecisive at the LoS. It's almost ugly to watch him making the same mistakes this year that he made last year and then be interviewed about correcting the mistake. EBF praises Bush for being able to change direction at full speed like very few backs (and it is true in space), but Bush has been hitting the brakes, looking both ways before he crosses the street and ducking the oncoming very violent traffic for one plus seasons. He needs to make a decision and explode into the hole. If he gets whacked, well, he better learn how to avoid heavy hits. It is getting pretty old watching him duck and dance when he should be flying through a crease. I thought he would be much better than he has been, and I hate to say this, but the indecisive running sometimes looks like he's a little scared to kick in the jets and hit the stinkin' hole. It's true he ran through much bigger holes in college, but many backs did and learned to hit the small creases in the NFL. He needs to do this and I think a few 20 carry games would lather him up and get him rolling like I believe he can run.
Good post although my doubts are more about Reggie's effectiveness as an every down RB as opposed to worrying about injury. I think that the reason the Saints use Bush the way they do is that they can't use him like Deuce because he would be ineffective. I think that this ineffectiveness will rear it's ugly head now that McAllister is out if the Saints try to use him like they used McAllister.
Great points. I'm of the opinion that he won't be successful running like that in the NFL and we see it now. But he certainly can be fantastic if he can fix the issues you mention.He's also a heck of a back for a wide receiver.I do think he's dancing way too much and far too indecisive at the LoS. It's almost ugly to watch him making the same mistakes this year that he made last year and then be interviewed about correcting the mistake. EBF praises Bush for being able to change direction at full speed like very few backs (and it is true in space), but Bush has been hitting the brakes, looking both ways before he crosses the street and ducking the oncoming very violent traffic for one plus seasons. He needs to make a decision and explode into the hole. If he gets whacked, well, he better learn how to avoid heavy hits. It is getting pretty old watching him duck and dance when he should be flying through a crease. I thought he would be much better than he has been, and I hate to say this, but the indecisive running sometimes looks like he's a little scared to kick in the jets and hit the stinkin' hole. It's true he ran through much bigger holes in college, but many backs did and learned to hit the small creases in the NFL. He needs to do this and I think a few 20 carry games would lather him up and get him rolling like I believe he can run.
