Is the NFL dead? (1 Viewer)

[Bushead]

get a sub-par service (my HD quality is superior to that of DirectTV's "HDLite" crap),

Ummm.....not being able (or willing) to get a DirecTV dish installed might have something to do with this, don't you think?

Do you know what HDLite is?DirectTV and The Dish both broadcast a lower resolution picture than I can currently receive with TWC. They do this to save on the cost of bandwidth, because it's cheaper to send you less information (less pixels). It is referred to as HDLite. We're talking about 1280 horizontal lines of resolution with HDLite, compared to up to 1920 horizontal lines with TWC. My HD set is a top of the line 1080p, and can show 1920 horizontal lines without having to "upscale" the picture from a lower resolution...which degrades the quality of the picture. That is what would happen if I had satellite. I'd get a lower resolution picture, my TV would have to "blow it up" so that it fits the screen, and that would be grainy compared to what I currently enjoy.

Imagine taking a photo in your wallet and blowing it up to a 6 x 10. The picture becomes grainy, the edges are no longer defined, and if it were a moving picture...you know, like with football...the motion becomes blurred. Hell, even easier way to do this. Run over to youtube, and check out one of the videos. Looks ok, but it's kind of small. Now click that button in the bottom right corner that blows it up to full screen. That's the sort of thing I'm talking about.

I would rather stick an antenna on the top of my house and just get over the air signals rather than suffer through satellite's HDLite crap all the time. If I wanted a substandard picture, I wouldn't have bothered to spend thousands of dollars on my TV.

Shadow2k, I don't doubt what you are saying as it seems you are familiar with the HD world. It has been widely reported though that the common TWC HD cable box, SA8000HD, has a resolvable detail of less than 1300 lines. You are obvioulsy aware anything broadcast in 720P only has 1280 horizontal lines at full resolution anyway. I acknowledge you may have done your own tests and found otherwise with regard to the SA8000HD (assuming that is the box you have), just thought I would mention that.

 

[shadow2k]

get a sub-par service (my HD quality is superior to that of DirectTV's "HDLite" crap),

Ummm.....not being able (or willing) to get a DirecTV dish installed might have something to do with this, don't you think?

Do you know what HDLite is?DirectTV and The Dish both broadcast a lower resolution picture than I can currently receive with TWC. They do this to save on the cost of bandwidth, because it's cheaper to send you less information (less pixels). It is referred to as HDLite. We're talking about 1280 horizontal lines of resolution with HDLite, compared to up to 1920 horizontal lines with TWC. My HD set is a top of the line 1080p, and can show 1920 horizontal lines without having to "upscale" the picture from a lower resolution...which degrades the quality of the picture. That is what would happen if I had satellite. I'd get a lower resolution picture, my TV would have to "blow it up" so that it fits the screen, and that would be grainy compared to what I currently enjoy.

Imagine taking a photo in your wallet and blowing it up to a 6 x 10. The picture becomes grainy, the edges are no longer defined, and if it were a moving picture...you know, like with football...the motion becomes blurred. Hell, even easier way to do this. Run over to youtube, and check out one of the videos. Looks ok, but it's kind of small. Now click that button in the bottom right corner that blows it up to full screen. That's the sort of thing I'm talking about.

I would rather stick an antenna on the top of my house and just get over the air signals rather than suffer through satellite's HDLite crap all the time. If I wanted a substandard picture, I wouldn't have bothered to spend thousands of dollars on my TV.

Shadow2k, I don't doubt what you are saying as it seems you are familiar with the HD world. It has been widely reported though that the common TWC HD cable box, SA8000HD, has a resolvable detail of less than 1300 lines. You are obvioulsy aware anything broadcast in 720P only has 1280 horizontal lines at full resolution anyway. I acknowledge you may have done your own tests and found otherwise with regard to the SA8000HD (assuming that is the box you have), just thought I would mention that.

I have the SA8300HD/DVR. As long as you have the updated firmware (I had to go down to TWC myself and make them upgrade my box when I got it back in April), are running through HDMI, and have a capable TV set (Sony KDS-XBR1 SXRD 50" - 1080p native), it fully resolves a true 1080i signal. It's easily testable, as HDNet runs a test pattern every week for calibration purposes, and it includes a pattern that lets you measure what you're truly getting. Component cables, even though they shouldn't be, are in fact, limited to the ~1300 lines you're mentioning. And yes, the 8000 was limited, because for one, the firmware was generic, and I'm pretty sure that model didn't have HDMI on it.And while I may be nitpicking the finer details of it all...when all is said and done, I spent a lot of money on my home theatre for a reason. If DirectTV became available to me tomorrow, I'd get it...but I'd keep TWC as well, and watch TV through their equipment when I wasn't watching NFLN or Sunday Ticket. I just don't have that option.

 

[Bushead]

get a sub-par service (my HD quality is superior to that of DirectTV's "HDLite" crap),

Ummm.....not being able (or willing) to get a DirecTV dish installed might have something to do with this, don't you think?

Do you know what HDLite is?DirectTV and The Dish both broadcast a lower resolution picture than I can currently receive with TWC. They do this to save on the cost of bandwidth, because it's cheaper to send you less information (less pixels). It is referred to as HDLite. We're talking about 1280 horizontal lines of resolution with HDLite, compared to up to 1920 horizontal lines with TWC. My HD set is a top of the line 1080p, and can show 1920 horizontal lines without having to "upscale" the picture from a lower resolution...which degrades the quality of the picture. That is what would happen if I had satellite. I'd get a lower resolution picture, my TV would have to "blow it up" so that it fits the screen, and that would be grainy compared to what I currently enjoy.

Imagine taking a photo in your wallet and blowing it up to a 6 x 10. The picture becomes grainy, the edges are no longer defined, and if it were a moving picture...you know, like with football...the motion becomes blurred. Hell, even easier way to do this. Run over to youtube, and check out one of the videos. Looks ok, but it's kind of small. Now click that button in the bottom right corner that blows it up to full screen. That's the sort of thing I'm talking about.

I would rather stick an antenna on the top of my house and just get over the air signals rather than suffer through satellite's HDLite crap all the time. If I wanted a substandard picture, I wouldn't have bothered to spend thousands of dollars on my TV.

Shadow2k, I don't doubt what you are saying as it seems you are familiar with the HD world. It has been widely reported though that the common TWC HD cable box, SA8000HD, has a resolvable detail of less than 1300 lines. You are obvioulsy aware anything broadcast in 720P only has 1280 horizontal lines at full resolution anyway. I acknowledge you may have done your own tests and found otherwise with regard to the SA8000HD (assuming that is the box you have), just thought I would mention that.

I have the SA8300HD/DVR. As long as you have the updated firmware (I had to go down to TWC myself and make them upgrade my box when I got it back in April), are running through HDMI, and have a capable TV set (Sony KDS-XBR1 SXRD 50" - 1080p native), it fully resolves a true 1080i signal. It's easily testable, as HDNet runs a test pattern every week for calibration purposes, and it includes a pattern that lets you measure what you're truly getting. Component cables, even though they shouldn't be, are in fact, limited to the ~1300 lines you're mentioning. And yes, the 8000 was limited, because for one, the firmware was generic, and I'm pretty sure that model didn't have HDMI on it.And while I may be nitpicking the finer details of it all...when all is said and done, I spent a lot of money on my home theatre for a reason. If DirectTV became available to me tomorrow, I'd get it...but I'd keep TWC as well, and watch TV through their equipment when I wasn't watching NFLN or Sunday Ticket. I just don't have that option.

nice television! I am with you on the mountain of $$ on home theater, although I have somehow suprisingly sold my wife on the "necessity" of such things which makes it easier. Wasn't suggesting you didn't know, just a lot of people only get half the information about this complicated issue. You are obviously well into AV geekdome...I can only hope Directv gets its act/picture together this year with the addional satellites/capacity they will have by summertime.

 

[Yah_Shoor_Yoobetchya]

get a sub-par service (my HD quality is superior to that of DirectTV's "HDLite" crap),

Ummm.....not being able (or willing) to get a DirecTV dish installed might have something to do with this, don't you think?

Do you know what HDLite is?DirectTV and The Dish both broadcast a lower resolution picture than I can currently receive with TWC. They do this to save on the cost of bandwidth, because it's cheaper to send you less information (less pixels). It is referred to as HDLite. We're talking about 1280 horizontal lines of resolution with HDLite, compared to up to 1920 horizontal lines with TWC. My HD set is a top of the line 1080p, and can show 1920 horizontal lines without having to "upscale" the picture from a lower resolution...which degrades the quality of the picture. That is what would happen if I had satellite. I'd get a lower resolution picture, my TV would have to "blow it up" so that it fits the screen, and that would be grainy compared to what I currently enjoy.

Imagine taking a photo in your wallet and blowing it up to a 6 x 10. The picture becomes grainy, the edges are no longer defined, and if it were a moving picture...you know, like with football...the motion becomes blurred. Hell, even easier way to do this. Run over to youtube, and check out one of the videos. Looks ok, but it's kind of small. Now click that button in the bottom right corner that blows it up to full screen. That's the sort of thing I'm talking about.

I would rather stick an antenna on the top of my house and just get over the air signals rather than suffer through satellite's HDLite crap all the time. If I wanted a substandard picture, I wouldn't have bothered to spend thousands of dollars on my TV.

I certainly meant no offense in my response and apologize if you took it that way. The intent of my response was based on my interpretation of your post implying that satellite tv is not an option for you yet the highlighted statement also implies that you have in-home experience with satellite tv in order to present accurate comparison information regarding in-home signal quality from both satellite and cable. I just didn't understand how you could claim sub-par in-home signal quality from satellite without ever having in-home satellite tv access.Sorry for my ignorance.

 

[shadow2k]

get a sub-par service (my HD quality is superior to that of DirectTV's "HDLite" crap),

Ummm.....not being able (or willing) to get a DirecTV dish installed might have something to do with this, don't you think?

Do you know what HDLite is?DirectTV and The Dish both broadcast a lower resolution picture than I can currently receive with TWC. They do this to save on the cost of bandwidth, because it's cheaper to send you less information (less pixels). It is referred to as HDLite. We're talking about 1280 horizontal lines of resolution with HDLite, compared to up to 1920 horizontal lines with TWC. My HD set is a top of the line 1080p, and can show 1920 horizontal lines without having to "upscale" the picture from a lower resolution...which degrades the quality of the picture. That is what would happen if I had satellite. I'd get a lower resolution picture, my TV would have to "blow it up" so that it fits the screen, and that would be grainy compared to what I currently enjoy.

Imagine taking a photo in your wallet and blowing it up to a 6 x 10. The picture becomes grainy, the edges are no longer defined, and if it were a moving picture...you know, like with football...the motion becomes blurred. Hell, even easier way to do this. Run over to youtube, and check out one of the videos. Looks ok, but it's kind of small. Now click that button in the bottom right corner that blows it up to full screen. That's the sort of thing I'm talking about.

I would rather stick an antenna on the top of my house and just get over the air signals rather than suffer through satellite's HDLite crap all the time. If I wanted a substandard picture, I wouldn't have bothered to spend thousands of dollars on my TV.

I certainly meant no offense in my response and apologize if you took it that way. The intent of my response was based on my interpretation of your post implying that satellite tv is not an option for you yet the highlighted statement also implies that you have in-home experience with satellite tv in order to present accurate comparison information regarding in-home signal quality from both satellite and cable. I just didn't understand how you could claim sub-par in-home signal quality from satellite without ever having in-home satellite tv access.Sorry for my ignorance.

My buddy used to have DirectTV. And I did a lot of research before purchasing my setup.Don't get me wrong...I'm mainly just being dramatic to get the point across. Satellite picture quality is still really nice. It's just not as nice, and it's easily noticable to me. Some wouldn't notice the difference even if you pointed it out to them, you'd have to have the two setups running side by side to show them. Just one of those things.