Is there a market for Patrick Crayton? (1 Viewer)

[Bankerguy]

I am curious to gauge his worth. He looks to be a another potential player to be traded by the Cowboys front office.

 

[Zoomanji]

I think he is worth a lot less than he (and maybe the Cowboys) realize.

I think most teams have a guy or 3 like Crayton already

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

I have never understood the talk of trading Patrick Crayton. He's a 31 year old posession reciever who career best's are 50/697/7, three seasons ago.

I could maybe see a team who takes some hits in camp at WR offering up a late round or conditional pick, but nothing of any real value.

 

[No Way Jose]

I could see him on a team like the Browns, they could use a veteran presence.

 

[pablito]

Gil Brandt was asked that very question this morning by a listener on Sirius. His comment was that every team already had a guy pretty much like him and there just wasn't much of a market for his type of player. He thought that they'd be lucky to get a 4th for him.

 

[Christo]

I have never understood the talk of trading Patrick Crayton. He's a 31 year old posession reciever who career best's are 50/697/7, three seasons ago.

I could maybe see a team who takes some hits in camp at WR offering up a late round or conditional pick, but nothing of any real value.

I never would have guessed he is that old.

 

[Mikey16x]

I could see him on a team like the Browns, they could use a veteran presence.

Yeah, a veteran presence with a level head. Have you ever heard the garbage that comes out of Crayton's mouth? He thinks he's the 2nd coming of Jerry Rice when in reality he's the 2nd coming of <Insert run-of-the-mill receiver>

 

[POTA]

The Cowboys would be lucky to get a quarter and a hot cup of jack squat for Crayton.

 

[PewterFan]

I'm surprise he's still in the league.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

many in Dallas expect Ogletree to pass him soon enough as it is

 

[No Way Jose]

I could see him on a team like the Browns, they could use a veteran presence.

Yeah, a veteran presence with a level head. Have you ever heard the garbage that comes out of Crayton's mouth? He thinks he's the 2nd coming of Jerry Rice when in reality he's the 2nd coming of <Insert run-of-the-mill receiver>

Perhaps "veteran presence" was a bit much. However, you would be a butthole too if you were behind Roy Williams, Sam Hurd, and Ogletree on the depth chart. He had the same amount of catches as Roy Williams and was thrown to 25 times less. The guy gets a bad rap, but I honestly don't know if he is any good. JJones gets infatuated by names on the back of jersys and I don't think he will ever get a chance to play any meaningful minutes in Dallas....he's not getting any younger, I would want a trade too.

 

[Bankerguy]

many in Dallas expect Ogletree to pass him soon enough as it is

As do I Jeff....I just wondered if we could squeeze a 4th or 5th round pick for the guy. I don't for a second think he's special at all. Just wondered what his percieved value might be.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

many in Dallas expect Ogletree to pass him soon enough as it is

As do I Jeff....I just wondered if we could squeeze a 4th or 5th round pick for the guy. I don't for a second think he's special at all. Just wondered what his percieved value might be.

I see a 6th or 7th tops for him. Crayton is a possession receiver with average hands. Now that he has lost a step, and cannot be a factor on special teams, I do not see a huge market for the 31 year old

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Gil Brandt was asked that very question this morning by a listener on Sirius. His comment was that every team already had a guy pretty much like him and there just wasn't much of a market for his type of player. He thought that they'd be lucky to get a 4th for him.

with all due respect to the godfather, who has more nfl acumen in a single nosehair than I will my entire life, I think a 4th would be drunken gm lotto lucky -- I think they'd be lucky to get a 6th.

 

[Hoot&HoLLer]

Gil Brandt was asked that very question this morning by a listener on Sirius. His comment was that every team already had a guy pretty much like him and there just wasn't much of a market for his type of player. He thought that they'd be lucky to get a 4th for him.

with all due respect to the godfather, who has more nfl acumen in a single nosehair than I will my entire life, I think a 4th would be drunken gm lotto lucky -- I think they'd be lucky to get a 6th.

Especially if Santonio Holmes was traded for just a 5th.

 

[Texasmouth]

I think he is worth a lot more to the Cowboys than what they could get for him.

I would love to see them just release the guy so he can go and be productive on another team...Chiefs with Haley or Dolphins with Sporano would be my first guesses.

Crayton is a solid guy but nothing spectacular.

 

[Mikey16x]

Isn't he a great special-teamer? That's not me being funny but similar to a Tyree on the Giants. Crayton has little to no value on any team besides the Cowboys. Your forgetting to TRADE you have to give something up.. I'm not sure any other team is willing to give anything for him... they probably have about 3-4 WR's on the team already with similar capabilities.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

many in Dallas expect Ogletree to pass him soon enough as it is

As do I Jeff....I just wondered if we could squeeze a 4th or 5th round pick for the guy. I don't for a second think he's special at all. Just wondered what his percieved value might be.

I see a 6th or 7th tops for him. Crayton is a possession receiver with average hands. Now that he has lost a step, and cannot be a factor on special teams, I do not see a huge market for the 31 year old

Actually he's got really good hands. He has a bad rep in that department because of that one drop in the Giants game.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I'm surprise he's still in the league.

Coming from a Bucs fans that is saying something. With your talented WE crew headlined by M Clayton. I remember last year, opening game, Crayton torched the Bucs at Raymond James. He looked like an all pro after one week. Really, you aren't surprised Clayton is still in the league? What about Stovall?

 

[DaWidowMaker]

I'm surprise he's still in the league.

Coming from a Bucs fans that is saying something. With your talented WE crew headlined by M Clayton. I remember last year, opening game, Crayton torched the Bucs at Raymond James. He looked like an all pro after one week. Really, you aren't surprised Clayton is still in the league? What about Stovall?

 

[Ridgelake]

I think he is worth a lot more to the Cowboys than what they could get for him.

Crayton is a solid guy but nothing spectacular.

This.Is he that great of a receiver? No. But one thing that he does have that is very important is Romo's trust. You look at WHEN his catches occur, and it tells an interesting story.

Here is the 2009 Cowboy 3rd down passing data. (Data provided by One Cool Customer on Bloggingtheboys.com)

2009, 3rd downs

Pass Att. Rec. Rec % 1st dwn 1st dwn % EPV/PA

Jason Witten 34 24 71% 15 44% 0.26

Miles Austin 31 21 68% 17 55% 0.83

Roy Williams 27 8 30% 7 26% -0.09

Patrick Crayton 22 15 68% 13 59% 0.85

This data shows that Crayton had the highest 3rd down conversion percentage on the team last year. Over twice the conversion rate of Roy Williams.

And here we have Red Zone data

2009

Crayton Williams Witten Austin

Pass Attempts 11 15 6 20

Red zone TDs 4 6 2 3

Red Zone EPV 0.75 0.35 0.26 0.18

What this data is saying is that Crayton provided the most value per play of the Dallas receivers in the Red Zone last year.

Are Crayton's overall numbers that special? No. Is he that great? No. But he is a money player for the Cowboys. He delivers big plays. He moves the chains and scores touchdowns. I really fail to get why they don't cut Roy Williams and keep Crayton in the slot where he is just money.

 

[Tau837]

Seems to me that he stands to be #5 on the depth chart in Dallas, behind Austin, Bryant, Williams, and Ogletree. And what about Hurd? If he isn't in the top 4, I'm not sure I see why he holds value for Dallas, unless he is an above average special teams player. Isn't it true that most teams do not have a #5 WR active on gameday unless he plays special teams? Does he play special teams, and, if so, is he above average?

ETA: I think he is good enough to be higher on other teams' depth charts, but not good enough that those teams will trade anything of value for him.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Seems to me that he stands to be #5 on the depth chart in Dallas, behind Austin, Bryant, Williams, and Ogletree. And what about Hurd? If he isn't in the top 4, I'm not sure I see why he holds value for Dallas, unless he is an above average special teams player. Isn't it true that most teams do not have a #5 WR active on gameday unless he plays special teams? Does he play special teams, and, if so, is he above average?ETA: I think he is good enough to be higher on other teams' depth charts, but not good enough that those teams will trade anything of value for him.

Both Hurd and Crayton play specials. Hurd let the team in ST tackles last year and Crayton returns punts.

 

[Tau837]

Seems to me that he stands to be #5 on the depth chart in Dallas, behind Austin, Bryant, Williams, and Ogletree. And what about Hurd? If he isn't in the top 4, I'm not sure I see why he holds value for Dallas, unless he is an above average special teams player. Isn't it true that most teams do not have a #5 WR active on gameday unless he plays special teams? Does he play special teams, and, if so, is he above average?ETA: I think he is good enough to be higher on other teams' depth charts, but not good enough that those teams will trade anything of value for him.

Both Hurd and Crayton play specials. Hurd let the team in ST tackles last year and Crayton returns punts.

But is he a replaceable special teams player? If he's #5 (or worse) on the depth chart at WR, is it worth keeping him when he might be unhappy?

 

[PewterFan]

I'm surprise he's still in the league.

Coming from a Bucs fans that is saying something. With your talented WE crew headlined by M Clayton. I remember last year, opening game, Crayton torched the Bucs at Raymond James. He looked like an all pro after one week. Really, you aren't surprised Clayton is still in the league? What about Stovall?

I'm surprise that Stovall and Crayton are still in the league to name a few. This thread, however, is about the legend that is Patrick Crayton.

 

[massraider]

Seems to me that he stands to be #5 on the depth chart in Dallas, behind Austin, Bryant, Williams, and Ogletree. And what about Hurd? If he isn't in the top 4, I'm not sure I see why he holds value for Dallas, unless he is an above average special teams player. Isn't it true that most teams do not have a #5 WR active on gameday unless he plays special teams? Does he play special teams, and, if so, is he above average?ETA: I think he is good enough to be higher on other teams' depth charts, but not good enough that those teams will trade anything of value for him.

Exactly. He had a golden opportunity last year, and watched Austin roar past him. I don't think he's a terrible player, and I think Buffalo could use a guy like that.

 

[DoubleG]

many in Dallas expect Ogletree to pass him soon enough as it is

As do I Jeff....I just wondered if we could squeeze a 4th or 5th round pick for the guy. I don't for a second think he's special at all. Just wondered what his percieved value might be.

I see a 6th or 7th tops for him. Crayton is a possession receiver with average hands. Now that he has lost a step, and cannot be a factor on special teams, I do not see a huge market for the 31 year old

Actually he's got really good hands. He has a bad rep in that department because of that one drop in the Giants game.

His catch % has been <60% each of the last 2 seasons. Also, he has at least 4-5 drops each season, which given his low number of targets, is fairly high. There were only nine WRs in the league who had more drops on less targets than Crayton last year (guys like Chansi Stuckey, Mark Bradley, Justin Gage, Dennis Northcut and Johnnie Lee Higgins - I know - I don't know either.)

Given the above, "really good hands" seems a pretty big stretch. In all honesty, most teams don't really have a need for a 31 year-old posession receiver, who simply isn't a very good pass catcher.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

many in Dallas expect Ogletree to pass him soon enough as it is

As do I Jeff....I just wondered if we could squeeze a 4th or 5th round pick for the guy. I don't for a second think he's special at all. Just wondered what his percieved value might be.

I see a 6th or 7th tops for him. Crayton is a possession receiver with average hands. Now that he has lost a step, and cannot be a factor on special teams, I do not see a huge market for the 31 year old

Actually he's got really good hands. He has a bad rep in that department because of that one drop in the Giants game.

His catch % has been <60% each of the last 2 seasons. Also, he has at least 4-5 drops each season, which given his low number of targets, is fairly high. There were only nine WRs in the league who had more drops on less targets than Crayton last year (guys like Chansi Stuckey, Mark Bradley, Justin Gage, Dennis Northcut and Johnnie Lee Higgins - I know - I don't know either.)

Given the above, "really good hands" seems a pretty big stretch. In all honesty, most teams don't really have a need for a 31 year-old posession receiver, who simply isn't a very good pass catcher.

Fair enough. I'll be honest and say I'm shocked at those numbers you posted.

Off with his head.

 

[TS Garp]

Are Crayton's overall numbers that special? No. Is he that great? No. But he is a money player for the Cowboys. He delivers big plays. He moves the chains and scores touchdowns. I really fail to get why they don't cut Roy Williams and keep Crayton in the slot where he is just money.

This has been my impression of him. No, he's not that special but he does have value and make tough catches. I disagree with others that every team has a Crayton already. He'd make a lot of sense for the Panthers, not to mention the Seahwaks, Browns, and a couple of others. I don't think he's worth a lot, but one of those teams can get him for a 6th rounder...why not.

 

[todd2006]

I traded away Crayton at $7 ($500 per team, 16 teams in league) under contract for the next two years for essentially free -- just to get him and his contract off of my team.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Gil Brandt was asked that very question this morning by a listener on Sirius. His comment was that every team already had a guy pretty much like him and there just wasn't much of a market for his type of player. He thought that they'd be lucky to get a 4th for him.

with all due respect to the godfather, who has more nfl acumen in a single nosehair than I will my entire life, I think a 4th would be drunken gm lotto lucky -- I think they'd be lucky to get a 6th.

that's right, beetches.