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Is this the year to "shark" Tashard Choice? (1 Viewer)

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Barber is gone and Felix hasn't been able to be durable for a complete season so far and their rookie (who was broadcast as an "injury waiting to happen" by many scouts)is...you guessed it..injured already.

I WANT Felix to be a dynamic part of that offense but I'm wondering, if the Cowboys resemble a real team this year and find themselves in games where they should be and can dictate the run in sustained drives, then...

IS THIS THE YEAR that Choice finally emerges as the solid FF play? Maybe a solid RB2?

What say you?

 
last year the shark move was Felix with Barber as the starter...this year I guess it's Choice/Murray with Felix as the starter. The more things change the more they stay the same. I'll let someone else roll with the 3 headed monster hoping someone emerges.

 
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'Shutout said:
'ImTheScientist said:
'Shutout said:
Felix hasn't been able to be durable for a complete season so far.
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Felix - 16 games in 2010http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/JoneFe00-2.php
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Wasn't the starter all year. he has yet to carry the load.
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233 touches, in this day of fantasy football you don't see tons with 300+ so I guess Im not sure what you want. You think Choice or the all ready injured Murray will get 300 touches? :lmao:
 
'Anthony Borbely said:
I don't think Felix is hurt, but Murray is...again.

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Unsigned as of yet, camp is starting and he will miss probably two weeks (give or take) with a hammy that could keep bugging him.......... I think Choice will be the #2 until closer to midseason, as he knows the system and can be trusted to protect Romo.With all the Felix stuff going on the boards lately I think Felix could be a nice value play this year.

 
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'Winning IS Everything said:
'Anthony Borbely said:
I don't think Felix is hurt, but Murray is...again.

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Unsigned as of yet, camp is starting and he will miss probably two weeks (give or take) with a hammy that could keep bugging him.......... I think Choice will be the #2 until closer to midseason, as he knows the system and can be trusted to protect Romo.With all the Felix stuff going on the boards lately I think Felix could be a nice value play this year.
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I wonder if Murray's hammy is the same one he tore in college.
 
'Banger said:
last year the shark move was Felix with Barber as the starter...this year I guess it's Choice/Murray with Felix as the starter. The more things change the more they stay the same. I'll let someone else roll with the 3 headed monster hoping someone emerges.
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I'm pretty sure Felix had the higher ADP last year.
 
What a tough situation to figure out. i really liked Murray's chances to get some meaningful touches immediately, given how highly the 'Boys rated him on thier draft board and the usual way they distribute touches. Felix looked, IMO, to be the dominant part of the time share and I thought Murray would get the secondary role.

Probably not anymore. With no OTA's and missing the first 1/2 of camp, Choice most likely gets touches week 1. If it's a 70-30 split, or something therabouts, this gives Choice an opportunity to show he could/should get more. Of course, there is always the chance Felix gets dinged early in the season and Choice moves up to the 1A back with Murray mixed in. Either way, it's an opportunity for Choice to outperform Felix or at least show his worth and drive his carries up. Maybe a 60/40 or better. If you're a believer, this may be an opportunity. I'm not a believer - I think he's the third most talented RB on the roster - not meant as a slight to Choice.

 
As someone that's watched every Cowboys game every year, Choice has definitely looked to me like the best back on the team for the past few years. He's got a 4.8 career ypc and can catch the ball out of the backfield. I've never been sold on Felix as an every down type back either. That being said, I don't think I really want to touch anyone in the Cowboys backfield as it's been pretty bad for fantasy the past couple years. But if Felix goes down, which I think is likely, look for Choice to be a viable RB2 with RB1 upside.

 
Choice is legit. He just needs to get the carries. If you guys look at the games where he has 16 or more carries in a game he only has 1 or 2 games where he wasn't that impressive. The kid is legit. Cowboys would be best to give Choice 15 to 18 carries and felix 5 to 10 and using Demarco for 3 to 5 carries a game.

 
I love Felix this year, so keep this thread rolling! I expect Jones to carry the ball around 14-15 times a game and finish with over 50 receptions. Choice and Murray will split the rest more or less at random; I doubt either guy tops 600 yards.

 
I see no reason why not. At this point last year, I believe many were expecting Tate to challenge Slaton for the role and Foster was a bit of a dark horse. Last year I grabbed Hillis late in one of my PPRs...just wanted depth, but the philosophy should ring true with Choice (1) is he in a somewhat murky situation (2) can I get him cheap, and most importantly, (3) does he have a track record of success when he plays. Hillis fit all three and I think Choice does too. I am posting now, so I can't view his ADP, but considering a guy like Spiller is going in the 7-9 rounds, I would venture a guess that Choice is in that 10-12 round area (I'll verify later). That allows you to pick 4-5 WRs, 3 RBs, 2 QBs, 1-2 TEs, before taking the guy as your RB4...not bad value.

 
'Anthony Borbely said:
I don't think Felix is hurt, but Murray is...again.

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Choice hurt too:Tashard Choice sat out practice Friday after straining his calf in Thursday's practice.

Initial estimates were day-to-day, though beat writer Todd Archer is now saying it's "looking like a 2-4 week deal." Rookie DeMarco Murray is also expected to miss two weeks with a hamstring injury, providing plenty of breathing room for starter Felix Jones.

Related: Felix Jones

Source: Todd Archer on Twitter

Jul 29, 5:01 PM

 
Choice is another one of those guys who will always be rostered by guys perpetually hoping for something but he'll never give them anything. A tease and that's all. He'll always be just another backup. We've seen it in the past with names like Leon Washington and Jerious Norwood. He'll be like them in a couple years, just another 28-29 year old nobody.

 
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I doubt this is the year to shark Choice. He's a role player, capable of spelling the starters and even handling 20 carries a game or two if the starter goes down for a bit but he's not a guy to overpay for because he can't handle a big load for a long term, he'll wear down. Of course you'll have guys who will take him anyway in hopes but do yourself a favor and pass on him. In many redraft leagues you'll find him on the waiver wire by the 4th week.

 
Choice is solid. I think he's worth rostering in redrafts.

Felix gets dinged up. Choice will get his chances.

With the Cowboys receiving weapons and a healthy Romo, there should be some room to run if the O-line is competent at all.

 
I really liked Choice as a potential sleeper before his injury. With Murray hurt, Choice had a chance to cement the #2 RB spot. The injury changed everything. I'm lukewarm on Choice now. I am also not a fan of Murray to begin with.

 
I'm avoiding the entire Cowboy backfield this year unless EXTREME value jumps out. As already stated, it will be a three headed monster with Felix losing more touches and Murray gaining more as the year goes on. The will be a very good NFL trio, but little help on your fantasy team. None of them are worth taking in the first quarter to half of your draft in most leagues.

 
(RotoWire) Choice (calf) is in serious danger of losing his roster spot to Lonyae Miller.

Analysis: Miller has taken full advantage of the injuries to Choice and DeMarco Murray, working with the first team offense in practice and showing very nice burst and elusiveness. He's also a bit larger than Choice, which makes him a slightly better fit as a short yardage back for the Cowboys, and has shown flashes of being a plus special teams player as well. All in all, Choice is going to have to explode when he finally gets on the field if he wants to reclaim his spot on the depth chart.

 
Not sure how many of you live in Dallas, but the talk all last year was that Garrett was not a fan of Choice....and he really went more to Felix and Barber the 2nd half of the season than Choice (who many fans were clamoring for). I think Choice's demise with Garrett was that fumble right before the half in the Washington game that led to a TD and a loss.

It would not surprise me one bit if Choice is either traded or released.

 
'kinglochness said:
I'm avoiding the entire Cowboy backfield this year unless EXTREME value jumps out. As already stated, it will be a three headed monster with Felix losing more touches and Murray gaining more as the year goes on. The will be a very good NFL trio, but little help on your fantasy team. None of them are worth taking in the first quarter to half of your draft in most leagues.
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Why?
 
'Anthony Borbely said:
I really liked Choice as a potential sleeper before his injury. With Murray hurt, Choice had a chance to cement the #2 RB spot. The injury changed everything. I'm lukewarm on Choice now. I am also not a fan of Murray to begin with.
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He was given every chance to make a statement when MBIII got hurt but he just couldn't do it for one reason or another.
 
'LHUCKS said:
Lonyae Miller...thank me later
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pretty sure someone hacked lhucks' account but i agree regardless. :goodposting: i think the cowboys will take a nice long look at miller during the preseason. if he keeps up what he's been doing in camp, i agree with the sentiment that choice will be expendable. miller will be behind murray and jones who could be considered oft-injured players imo. miller is the shark play here.
 
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I think the shark move is to grab Felix. I'm going to watch the situation closely but new coach, no Barber, and he's the #1 starter for the 1st time. A lot of people have been burned by him so they want no part of him. His value is looking good for the 1st time IMO.

 
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Watch every single snap of the cowboys, felix won't keep the job. He has some games he looks the part but as an every down back he looses his burst. They wanted to take murray in the 2nd round so its clear they think he's their back. Choice will be cut/traded they don't like him.partly attidute.

I think it goes like this:

Felix starts the year as RB1

Murray RB2

Miller RB3 ( short yardage marionesque role)

By week 3 murray will be RB1 and felix back to his role of home run hitter off the bench.

 
Very interesting that there is such a wide vote on this one.

People love Felix; people don't like him at all.

People think Choice can get it done; people think he won't even be on the team.

People calling for the rookie Murray; people pointing out he can't stay healthy.

I'm leaning towards the sentiment a few had that say avoid all together. but there is a luring aspect in a team you figure would garner a good number of Fantasy points.

I'm starting to wane on choice. sounds like people that live down there and follow very closely hae some insight that the coach doesn't believe in him and, honestly, that's all that matters some times.

But i can't get on board with Murray>Felix. If nothing else, they are similar in skillset but I see nothing that makes me think murray will stay healthy and be ABLE to take and hold the job.

I've actually had Miller on my PS since last year and had forgotten all about him until he was mentioned yesterday so I think i am going to go with Felix/Miller and see how that goes for the year.

 
'Shutout said:
Very interesting that there is such a wide vote on this one.People love Felix; people don't like him at all.People think Choice can get it done; people think he won't even be on the team.People calling for the rookie Murray; people pointing out he can't stay healthy.I'm leaning towards the sentiment a few had that say avoid all together. but there is a luring aspect in a team you figure would garner a good number of Fantasy points.I'm starting to wane on choice. sounds like people that live down there and follow very closely hae some insight that the coach doesn't believe in him and, honestly, that's all that matters some times.But i can't get on board with Murray>Felix. If nothing else, they are similar in skillset but I see nothing that makes me think murray will stay healthy and be ABLE to take and hold the job.I've actually had Miller on my PS since last year and had forgotten all about him until he was mentioned yesterday so I think i am going to go with Felix/Miller and see how that goes for the year.
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Garrett simply dosnt have faith in choice and after the skins game he put the nail in his coffin.As for murrar over felix, well if you watch felix every game you'll know felix goes down very quickly, and seems to walk away banged up very often. Murray in videos seems to take on hits. Felix avoids running inside and tries to push everything outside while murray looks like he can do both. I will say murray (same as felix) seems to run upright so I do expect murray to take some big hits.
 
felix def had burst and did not go down quickly his first 2 yrs in the league. last yr he looked bulkier and slower. i stated this observation early last season and was met with derision from some ardent supporters. i think that gave way to sad acceptance as the yr progressed.

it really is a tale of separate seasons for felix imo. will he drop the weight and regain the physical ability that sets him apart. or will he keep the bulk in an attempt to look the part but showing no ability. i hope he goes back to what worked in the past bc he was great fun to watch.

 
Even the lighter felix 2 seasons ago came off the bench for marion. Felix hasn't shown he can keep the bust as an every down back.

Very similar to a relief pitcher in baseball. His fastball may top out at 95+ but as a starter his velocity dips.

Imo, felix looks like weapon off the bench.

 
A big thing that I'm curious about is the run blocking this year. They were terrible last year, any chance for improvement this year?

 
I wonder if there is a realistic chance that Choice will be traded or cut and end up on a team where he can produce.

 
'LHUCKS said:
Lonyae Miller...thank me later
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I came here into this thread to mention the same name. Miller has been a camp standout. I dont think he has tremendous value. However the presence of Miller is what hurts Choice. I expect Choice to be shopped and failing that I dont foresee a significant role for Choice.Buyer beware.
 
'bill bates hits hard said:
Watch every single snap of the cowboys, felix won't keep the job. He has some games he looks the part but as an every down back he looses his burst. They wanted to take murray in the 2nd round so its clear they think he's their back. Choice will be cut/traded they don't like him.partly attidute.

I think it goes like this:

Felix starts the year as RB1

Murray RB2

Miller RB3 ( short yardage marionesque role)

By week 3 murray will be RB1 and felix back to his role of home run hitter off the bench.
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Murray was taken in the 3rd round, and based on YPC and injuries in college even that was a reach IMO. If Murray ends up their starter, they are in trouble.
 
'Couch Potato said:
'bill bates hits hard said:
Watch every single snap of the cowboys, felix won't keep the job. He has some games he looks the part but as an every down back he looses his burst. They wanted to take murray in the 2nd round so its clear they think he's their back. Choice will be cut/traded they don't like him.partly attidute.

I think it goes like this:

Felix starts the year as RB1

Murray RB2

Miller RB3 ( short yardage marionesque role)

By week 3 murray will be RB1 and felix back to his role of home run hitter off the bench.
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Murray was taken in the 3rd round, and based on YPC and injuries in college even that was a reach IMO. If Murray ends up their starter, they are in trouble.
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Agree. If you draft a guy that is just like the guy you have, that either says you want they type of guy so that the system can be run if you lose your main back OR you want to completely put the new guy in and replace the old. but Jones isn't old and Murray doesn't have the history of being durable so I have to lean towards the other side and think that Garret has a big part of his offense designed around the "felix" type skills and so they got a guy that can come in and do those things IF NEEDED.
 
'FF Ninja said:
'Banger said:
last year the shark move was Felix with Barber as the starter...this year I guess it's Choice/Murray with Felix as the starter. The more things change the more they stay the same. I'll let someone else roll with the 3 headed monster hoping someone emerges.
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I'm pretty sure Felix had the higher ADP last year.
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Much higher. I think Felix was a 3rd rounder while Barber was 7th in 12 team leagues. The shark move was not drafting either since they both sucked balls.
 
'Couch Potato said:
'bill bates hits hard said:
Watch every single snap of the cowboys, felix won't keep the job. He has some games he looks the part but as an every down back he looses his burst. They wanted to take murray in the 2nd round so its clear they think he's their back. Choice will be cut/traded they don't like him.partly attidute.

I think it goes like this:

Felix starts the year as RB1

Murray RB2

Miller RB3 ( short yardage marionesque role)

By week 3 murray will be RB1 and felix back to his role of home run hitter off the bench.
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Murray was taken in the 3rd round, and based on YPC and injuries in college even that was a reach IMO. If Murray ends up their starter, they are in trouble.
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CP you usually have a good view on things. how do you read the situation? To me, all this stuff is great news for Felix and it seems that few are viewing it that way. Always liked Felix's talent but he's been one of those perenial teases and felt he was overvalued the past few years. This year I think he may be undervalued but the Dallas line scares me a bit.
 
'Banger said:
'Couch Potato said:
'bill bates hits hard said:
Watch every single snap of the cowboys, felix won't keep the job. He has some games he looks the part but as an every down back he looses his burst. They wanted to take murray in the 2nd round so its clear they think he's their back. Choice will be cut/traded they don't like him.partly attidute.

I think it goes like this:

Felix starts the year as RB1

Murray RB2

Miller RB3 ( short yardage marionesque role)

By week 3 murray will be RB1 and felix back to his role of home run hitter off the bench.
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Murray was taken in the 3rd round, and based on YPC and injuries in college even that was a reach IMO. If Murray ends up their starter, they are in trouble.
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CP you usually have a good view on things. how do you read the situation? To me, all this stuff is great news for Felix and it seems that few are viewing it that way. Always liked Felix's talent but he's been one of those perenial teases and felt he was overvalued the past few years. This year I think he may be undervalued but the Dallas line scares me a bit.
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I read it as Felix as the clear starter, but he's not getting 350 carries so Murray was drafted to take some carries as the #2. I think they soured on Choice last year and Murray sends him to the bench, and maybe Lonyae Miller sends him out the door (though they'll prob keep these four on the roster unless he's traded). The worry with Felix isn't ability, he has that. It's being able to shoulder a big load, something he's never really done in pros or in college. So it'll definitely be some form of RBBC, the question is how big a split. If he gets more than 250-275 carries (if healthy) I'd be surprised. Murray will likely get about half the carries Jones gets if he turns out to be a useful back. We don't know that yet though, we'll have to see how preseason goes.

Lonyae Miller intrigues me, and could end up the surprise minor part of a RBBC to Felix if Murray doesn't pan out. And lest we forget, lots of 3rd round picks don't pan out. J Norwood, L Booker, G Wolfe, B Calhoun to name a few (of course guys like B Westbrook, J Charles, F Gore, and S Greene were also 3rd rounders). But it's Murray's #2 job to lose.

Regarding Choice, as I said upthread in post #19 eleven days ago, "Choice is another one of those guys who will always be rostered by guys perpetually hoping for something but he'll never give them anything. A tease and that's all. He'll always be just another backup. We've seen it in the past with names like Leon Washington and Jerious Norwood. He'll be like them in a couple years, just another 28-29 year old nobody."

 
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