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Is Tim Tebow a legit NFL prospect? (2 Viewers)

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The guy is a winner. The guy is not your traditional QB. The guy actually has a big arm and is very accurate. The guy has a VERY slow release.

Is he going to make it at the next level?

Which team is the best fit for him?

Which round do you think he will be drafted in?

Which round do you think he SHOULD be drafted in?

 
Hes an NFL prospect like Tyler Hansbrough is an NBA prospect.

Is he going to make it at the next level? - Not as a starting QB

Which team is the best fit for him? - Depends on what position he wants to play

Which round do you think he will be drafted in? - 2nd-3rd

Which round do you think he SHOULD be drafted in? 5th-6th

 
The guy is a winner. The guy is not your traditional QB. The guy actually has a big arm and is very accurate. The guy has a VERY slow release.Is he going to make it at the next level? NOWhich team is the best fit for him? Dolphins, so he can run the wildcatWhich round do you think he will be drafted in? somewhere in the 3rdWhich round do you think he SHOULD be drafted in? f/a
he reminds me of Gino Toretta, had the players around him to make plays....not a very good qb
 
The guy is a winner. The guy is not your traditional QB. The guy actually has a big arm and is very accurate. The guy has a VERY slow release.Is he going to make it at the next level? NOWhich team is the best fit for him? Dolphins, so he can run the wildcatWhich round do you think he will be drafted in? somewhere in the 3rdWhich round do you think he SHOULD be drafted in? f/a
he reminds me of Gino Toretta, had the players around him to make plays....not a very good qb
Couldn't disagree any more.
 
HORRIBLE throwing motion, horrible footwork = a bad NFL QB. To make Tebow into a respectable QB would take a VERY long time, if its at all possible. Personally i dont think it's possible for him to be a successful NFL QB, and i think any team that spends a high draft pick on him and attempts to make him one will regret it immensely.

If Tebow can catch, i can see him playing in a Chris Cooley type of role as a FB/TE hybrid and being successful.

 
Appreciate Tim Tebow

MIAMI -- Back in July, in a ballroom in a Birmingham, Ala., hotel during Southeastern Conference media days, a reporter asked Tim Tebow the following question:

"I don't mean to sound cynical, but between winning the national championship and winning the Heisman, saving the world in the Philippines and all, did you ever, like, sneak a cigarette when you were in high school? Do you ever do anything wrong? Do you feel like everything off the field is sort of on cruise control for you?"

It's possible that Tim Tebow could end his days at Florida as college football's most decorated player of all-time.

My immediate reaction: Lord help us. Sporting America has become too jaded to appreciate Tim Tebow. We've been Marion Jonesed and Mark McGwired and Barry Bondsed into suspecting there must be a dark side to the Florida quarterback, who does so many things right on and off the football field. We roll our eyes at his "saving the world in the Philippines," when how many among us have bothered to go across town to help the poor, much less across the globe the way Tebow has? We've been conditioned not to trust a virtuous athlete when he's right in front of us.

Tebow's reaction was better. His response, in part:

"You know, everybody, they can look and say how easy it is. But it's definitely not that easy. The difference is 'cause not many people want to wake up at 5, go through workouts, go speak to young kids, go back, eat lunch, go to class, go to tutoring, go speak at a prison at night, come back. I mean, more people would do those things; they just don't want to sacrifice.

"You know, there's a lot of leaders out there. But, unfortunately, there aren't a lot of good ones. So that's always been my dream and my goal, is to be someone like Danny Wuerffel was to me, to be someone that a parent can say, 'Hey, this kid did it the right way.' That's always been my dream and my goal more so than winning a trophy or winning a championship.

"So if it's cynical or whatnot, that's fine. If people don't believe it, that's fine. There's always going to be naysayers, people that are going to say it's fake. But that's fine because you can't control everybody. But I can control what I do, my attitude, how I approach the situation. So how I approach the situation is I want to do everything in my power that football gives me to influence as many people as I can for the good because that's gonna mean so much more when it's all said and done than just playing football and winning championships."

“ I don't think anybody is cut out to handle all this. But he handles it.

” -- Peter Tebow, Tim's older brother

That's a lot of wisdom and perspective from a 21-year-old football hero. Even though he represents everything we say we want our athletes to be, he understands a segment of society instead will be probing for flaws and looking for proof that public persona is a sham. Sometimes good people make us uncomfortable with ourselves.

It truly would be a shame to submit to cynicism and not fully appreciate the gift of Tebow -- the way he plays football with an unquenchable passion, and the way he approaches life with even greater ardor. If you think he hits linebackers hard on fourth-and-1, that's nothing compared to the way he tackles his higher calling to spread the word. In this one instance, what looks too good to be true really is true.

There are plenty of athletes who talk the pious talk. Plenty of athletes who write scripture on their eye black the way Tebow does or thank God after victories. But how many have walked the walk like Tebow -- walked it into the prisons, into the slums of the Philippines, into the hearts of people in need of a role model? How many, at age 21, have done as much work on behalf of those less fortunate?

"There are people in the public arena who are playing games -- and I'm not talking about football games," said Tebow's father, Bob. "He's not playing games. There's a lot of phony people in the world. He genuinely cares about people. You have to care about people to go to the hospital and visit the sick on your own."

Tebow has quarterbacked Florida to its second BCS National Championship Game in his three years at the school. He nearly won the Heisman for a second straight season. If the Gators beat Oklahoma on Thursday and he comes back for his senior year, he has a chance to become the most decorated college football player of all time.

Tim Tebow spends part of his time off the field preaching Christianity to prison inmates.

Yet none of those are the most important statistics or milestones in Tebow's life. These are: 11 prison visits to preach Christianity to inmates; annual trips to the country of his birth, the Philippines, to assist his father's missionary work there; and seven rubber wrist bands on his arms.

Two commemorate injured or deceased former teammates. Two are for little girls afflicted by cancer. One says, "Praystrong," a twist on the Lance Armstrong bracelet slogan. Another, "TPS," which stands for Time, Place, Substance, distributed by a Florida coach. And one says, "Semper Fi," which means "always faithful" and is the motto of the Marine Corps, among other things.

If Tebow wore all the bracelets he receives from fans and well-wishers, they'd cover both forearms to the elbows. If he answered every call to speak, every request for his presence, every plea for his help, he'd have to quit football and probably school, too. For an admitted pleaser like Tebow, it's a challenge to see how far he can stretch himself without snapping.

"I don't think anybody is cut out to handle all this," said his older brother Peter. "But he handles it."

Said Tebow: "It can be tough to say no, especially knowing it can be a very positive thing you're asked to do. But you can't do everything."

It only seems like Tebow can do everything. In fact, Superman in shoulder pads cannot stomach a roller coaster because of motion sickness. He struggles to carry a tune -- although he doesn't mind singing, most often country and Sinatra ("Send in the Clowns" is a strange-but-true favorite). And he tells bad jokes, according to his teammates.

"I try to laugh," offensive lineman Maurkice Pouncey said. "But they're not that funny."

What Tebow does exceedingly well is compete and lead -- he follows the heart he wears on his sleeve. Most of us are lucky to know what we want to do by the time we get to college; Tebow found his twin passions -- pigskin and preaching -- about the time he entered grade school.

He was 9 years old when the devoutly Christian Wuerffel led Florida to the 1996 national title, becoming Tebow's role model. He was 15 years old when he stood up and preached in front of 10,000 high school students. After that, he became a Florida high school folk hero and the nation's No. 1 recruit for his work on the gridiron.

The Tebow who became a superstar is not treated as such in the family home outside Jacksonville, Fla. His bedroom was given away over Christmas break to big sister Katie, who came home from missionary work in Bangladesh with her husband and infant daughter. And in the family pickup games, it was bloodthirsty business as usual -- with a few consolations to his need to remain healthy.

In the Christmas Eve football game, for example, they made "Timmy," as the youngest of five kids is known, the all-time quarterback. That did not sit well with Timmy himself, but it kept him out of harm's way.

And it provided Bob his moment of parental glory. After beating Peter for a touchdown pass from Tim, he promptly quit the game -- retiring with bragging rights.

On Christmas Day, the boys played basketball but established a no-fly zone near the basket -- nobody could drive inside of 5 feet.

"Because then it just becomes football," Tim said.

Taking it to the rack turns the Tebow boys into 1980s Detroit Pistons Nasty Boys. And hard fouls resulting in rolled ankles or stitches would not exactly tickle Urban Meyer at this point in the season.

"It gets a little physical around our house," Peter said. "We get a little competitive. No matter what we're doing, everyone wants to win."

And that is Tim Tebow's greatest gift on the football field. Not his size, strength, speed and throwing arm. Not his ability to read a defense. It's the insatiable competitive instinct that sometimes transforms him into a man possessed.

There have been times, watching film, when Tebow has thought, "Gosh, I did not realize I was that intense."

He'll bring that intensity to a boil Thursday night in Dolphin Stadium against Oklahoma, in search of a national title. Success would leave him with no more mountains to climb collegiately, but with several more doubters to win over in the National Football League, where they're not sold on his pro potential at quarterback.



"We're not going to let him play linebacker in the NFL," Bob Tebow said in a shot at analysts who think his son should play another position at the next level.

The reassuring thing about Tim Tebow is this: Even if his goal of playing in the NFL is unrealized, it will not define his adult life. There are so many other lives to touch.

"I'll be OK" without the NFL, Tebow said. "Would I be upset? Yeah, absolutely. That's my goal. But it's not going to be like my life is over. There's so many other things that I want to do."

After answering that cynical question this past July in Birmingham, Tebow was thanked by the SEC moderator for his time. Tebow responded, "Thank you. Appreciate it."

Appreciate it, indeed. Appreciate the Tim Tebow experience, Sporting America.

Don't hate. Appreciate.
 
The guy has intangibles, heart, and leadership. But personally, I don't see NFL QB skills there. Of course, I don't know much about rating prospects, but my untrained eyes saw better NFL QB play out of Brett Ratliff in the NYJ preseason.

Still, Tebow probably has a place in the NFL. Like another poster said, a FB/TE type role might suit him fine.

 
my guess is your a Tim Tebow fan.....I apperciate what he has done in college football but your asking if he can make it as a qb at the next level...

can't take away what he has done in college football though and that's coming from a U fan....

 
I'm skeptical he'll amount to much but if he became a star he wouldn't be the first guy with unmeasurables to succeed against the odds.

He seems to have the heart but how are his work ethics? Talent alone won't take anybody to the top but if he's the next Peyton in regard to studying the playbook his odds of making an impact go up.

 
I've said this way before this game.............the answer is NO.

Not this year, not next year. He's a great college QB but won't be a successful NFL QB. He'll get drafted, if he goes this year I am thinking 2nd day draft, next year obviously a higher pick but won't turn out to be anything more than a backup.

He is not a good passer and on balls 15 yards or more, I don't see the accuracy. He's great at running the ball, he's great at being the catalyst for that Florida team, he's very good at hitting little wide receiver screens where his WR's are usually twice as fast as all the other DB's from other schools because the Florida athletes are superior right now.

I saw a little more promise from Braddford this year than Tebow but even he isn't ready. Colt McCoy.......forget about it.

Call it the Curse of the Lions. They get the No. 1 pick and obviously could use a franchise QB for the ages. After last year, where there's actually 3 or 4 promising rookie QB emerging out of that draft, this year it looks like there isn't much......certainly not a QB worth the NO. 1 overall. Not a Peyton Manning or Troy Aikman type that's staring you in the face.

Curse of the Lions.

 
I've said this way before this game.............the answer is NO.Not this year, not next year. He's a great college QB but won't be a successful NFL QB. He'll get drafted, if he goes this year I am thinking 2nd day draft, next year obviously a higher pick but won't turn out to be anything more than a backup.He is not a good passer and on balls 15 yards or more, I don't see the accuracy. He's great at running the ball, he's great at being the catalyst for that Florida team, he's very good at hitting little wide receiver screens where his WR's are usually twice as fast as all the other DB's from other schools because the Florida athletes are superior right now.I saw a little more promise from Braddford this year than Tebow but even he isn't ready. Colt McCoy.......forget about it.Call it the Curse of the Lions. They get the No. 1 pick and obviously could use a franchise QB for the ages. After last year, where there's actually 3 or 4 promising rookie QB emerging out of that draft, this year it looks like there isn't much......certainly not a QB worth the NO. 1 overall. Not a Peyton Manning or Troy Aikman type that's staring you in the face.Curse of the Lions.
We agree in principle, but not on the particulars of passing accuracy. ESPN showed a stat pre-game on Tebow vs Bradford on passes of > 15 yards. Tebow's numbers were better.The issues with Tebow are (a) slow release and (b) inferior decision-making. The second pick in the game was PATHETIC inability to read a basic blitz.Sorry to say it as I'm a Tebow fan, but he doesn't have the brain to be an elite NFL QB.
 
Is he going to make it at the next level? - Probably not, but others have succeeded that scouts said couldn't

Which team is the best fit for him? - Miami, maybe?

Which round do you think he will be drafted in? - 3rd-4th round

Which round do you think he SHOULD be drafted in - 4th round

 
I barely watch college football, so my opinion is not to be trusted much. However, from what I have seen out of him, I think an innovative OC could find a role for him. He could possibly play some H Back/TE as another poster pointed out, while also serving as a backup QB who comes in for some wildcatesque packages at times.

A big knock on the Wildcat was that it put the QB at risk. With Tebow out wide (or in as the rushing threat QB - Ronnie Brown role) it opens up a ton of possibilities out of that package.

Not the type of player you draft day one, but as a day 2 pick he may have a role in the NFL. Maybe even an exciting role.

 
FWIW, McShay was on Mike & Mike this morning saying Tebow was not a real NFL prospect because his accuracy is suspect, delivery is way to slow, and he has trouble getting off his first read. Said he wouldn't even consider him before the 4th round.

 
I barely watch college football, so my opinion is not to be trusted much. However, from what I have seen out of him, I think an innovative OC could find a role for him. He could possibly play some H Back/TE as another poster pointed out, while also serving as a backup QB who comes in for some wildcatesque packages at times. A big knock on the Wildcat was that it put the QB at risk. With Tebow out wide (or in as the rushing threat QB - Ronnie Brown role) it opens up a ton of possibilities out of that package. Not the type of player you draft day one, but as a day 2 pick he may have a role in the NFL. Maybe even an exciting role.
:shock: He doesn't quite fit into the Randle El, Matt Jones, Drew Bennett, etc. category that will transition to WR, but if he's drafted by the Patriots, Steelers, Dolphins, or a number of other teams with creative offenses, he'll be a good contributing member of the team. Never a star outside of Florida.
 
He reminds me more of Kordell than VY, Vick, McNabb or the Eric Crouch guys. I think he's got the chance to be what Kordell was, except with off the charts dedication and intelligence. He's got a strong arm and his accuracy isn't bad; his throwing motion and his footwork are his biggest issues. No reason he can't work on his reads. He's going to have to participate in the combine, I'd imagine, and he'll be a workout warrior. His 40 won't be amazing but he'll have huge bench press numbers, solid agility numbers, and he's the typical "looks great without a shirt on" guy. It's kind of rare to see the workout warrior guy also be the intangibles guy, which is why I think it's crazy to let him slide too far in the draft.

Treat him like Kordell. Have him be a utility TE/WR/FB for a year or two. Have him take 2% of team snaps as a QB his rookie year, then 5% his second year and see what happens. Maybe by his third year you can switch him to a QB.

 
He's too good an athlete for me to believe he doesn't have a place in the NFL; but I agree that it's hard to project him as a QB. Not sure he has the speed or frame to be a receiver, but I could see him as a safety or H-Back.

 
He's too good an athlete for me to believe he doesn't have a place in the NFL; but I agree that it's hard to project him as a QB. Not sure he has the speed or frame to be a receiver, but I could see him as a safety or H-Back.
I agree. He couldn't be a starter in the NFL, because in order to use his skillset, you'd have to virtually revamp your entire offense around him. And for a team to do that, they'd need a QB2 and QB3 who could also run it if he went down with injury. There aren't too many 235 lb. Tebow-type QBs out there, so it's too risky for an NFL team to make that change.If a team had the roster space, I think he would be a great weapon to use in ceratin packages. Around the goalline, especially. A 235 lb. guy who can throw is a hard thing to defend at any level. The jump pass-threat keeps linebackers at bay, which opens up the QB draw. He has value, but not as an every down QB.
 
I've said this way before this game.............the answer is NO.Not this year, not next year. He's a great college QB but won't be a successful NFL QB. He'll get drafted, if he goes this year I am thinking 2nd day draft, next year obviously a higher pick but won't turn out to be anything more than a backup.He is not a good passer and on balls 15 yards or more, I don't see the accuracy. He's great at running the ball, he's great at being the catalyst for that Florida team, he's very good at hitting little wide receiver screens where his WR's are usually twice as fast as all the other DB's from other schools because the Florida athletes are superior right now.I saw a little more promise from Braddford this year than Tebow but even he isn't ready. Colt McCoy.......forget about it.Call it the Curse of the Lions. They get the No. 1 pick and obviously could use a franchise QB for the ages. After last year, where there's actually 3 or 4 promising rookie QB emerging out of that draft, this year it looks like there isn't much......certainly not a QB worth the NO. 1 overall. Not a Peyton Manning or Troy Aikman type that's staring you in the face.Curse of the Lions.
We agree in principle, but not on the particulars of passing accuracy. ESPN showed a stat pre-game on Tebow vs Bradford on passes of > 15 yards. Tebow's numbers were better.The issues with Tebow are (a) slow release and (b) inferior decision-making. The second pick in the game was PATHETIC inability to read a basic blitz.Sorry to say it as I'm a Tebow fan, but he doesn't have the brain to be an elite NFL QB.
The first pick was a result of that slow motion...and inability to really put the zip on a deeper pass to the outside.
 
I think an innovative OC could find a role for him. He could possibly play some H Back/TE as another poster pointed out, while also serving as a backup QB who comes in for some wildcatesque packages at times.

A big knock on the Wildcat was that it put the QB at risk. With Tebow out wide (or in as the rushing threat QB - Ronnie Brown role) it opens up a ton of possibilities out of that package.

Not the type of player you draft day one, but as a day 2 pick he may have a role in the NFL. Maybe even an exciting role.
:unsure: I think Miami would be an excellent place for him. They don't have the "air it out" mentality,

they don't have elite WRs that would complain about the spotlight, etc...

they could use the wildcat formation to another level,

they could use him as a short yardage QB (especially inside the 10 yd line)

......and I'm sure he'd love to stay in FL (since we've all read he's close to his family)

QUESTION 1:

IF he gets drafted 3rd or 4th round as expected, what kind of $$$ does the AVG 3rd/4th rounder make?

QUESTION 2:

IF he gets drafted 3rd or 4th round as expected, do you think he will EXPECT/DEMAND more $$$ than the AVG 3rd/4th rounder makes? (since he will probably claim to be a QB)

QUESTION 3: Who would be his agent? (I can't see him with a Drew Rosenhaus type agent)

 
Tebow has everything you need out of an NFL QB. He has all the talent in the world.

And please stop the "tight end" talk. He'd be a terrible tight end. When has he ever caught a pass in college? He's really not that fast and he can't block. He's either going to be a QB or nothing.

The problem for Tebow is that he has been put in a silly little collegiate offense with jump passes, options and five yard runs up the middle. That won't happen in the NFL and he'll have to learn how to operate.

But he has a very good arm and makes some very nice passes, and I've watched most of his games.

He has alot to learn though. He has no idea how to read defenses in the traditional NFL way, no idea how to operate out of anything other than the shotgun, and no idea how to run a pro-style offense.

He'll be a great QB if he gets drafted and gets to learn for TWO YEARS. He doesn't need to play a single down. Learn like Philip Rivers did. If you want to bring him in for some "wildcat offense" in the redzone, that's fine, but I'd prefer to not even see that.

If he gets thrown to the wolves, he'll fail and be terrible.

If he sits down and learns, he could be amazing.

 
Tebow has everything you need out of an NFL QB. He has all the talent in the world.And please stop the "tight end" talk. He'd be a terrible tight end. When has he ever caught a pass in college? He's really not that fast and he can't block. He's either going to be a QB or nothing.The problem for Tebow is that he has been put in a silly little collegiate offense with jump passes, options and five yard runs up the middle. That won't happen in the NFL and he'll have to learn how to operate.But he has a very good arm and makes some very nice passes, and I've watched most of his games.He has alot to learn though. He has no idea how to read defenses in the traditional NFL way, no idea how to operate out of anything other than the shotgun, and no idea how to run a pro-style offense.He'll be a great QB if he gets drafted and gets to learn for TWO YEARS. He doesn't need to play a single down. Learn like Philip Rivers did. If you want to bring him in for some "wildcat offense" in the redzone, that's fine, but I'd prefer to not even see that.If he gets thrown to the wolves, he'll fail and be terrible.If he sits down and learns, he could be amazing.
Couldn't agree more.
 
I've said this way before this game.............the answer is NO.Not this year, not next year. He's a great college QB but won't be a successful NFL QB. He'll get drafted, if he goes this year I am thinking 2nd day draft, next year obviously a higher pick but won't turn out to be anything more than a backup.He is not a good passer and on balls 15 yards or more, I don't see the accuracy. He's great at running the ball, he's great at being the catalyst for that Florida team, he's very good at hitting little wide receiver screens where his WR's are usually twice as fast as all the other DB's from other schools because the Florida athletes are superior right now.I saw a little more promise from Braddford this year than Tebow but even he isn't ready. Colt McCoy.......forget about it.Call it the Curse of the Lions. They get the No. 1 pick and obviously could use a franchise QB for the ages. After last year, where there's actually 3 or 4 promising rookie QB emerging out of that draft, this year it looks like there isn't much......certainly not a QB worth the NO. 1 overall. Not a Peyton Manning or Troy Aikman type that's staring you in the face.Curse of the Lions.
We agree in principle, but not on the particulars of passing accuracy. ESPN showed a stat pre-game on Tebow vs Bradford on passes of > 15 yards. Tebow's numbers were better.The issues with Tebow are (a) slow release and (b) inferior decision-making. The second pick in the game was PATHETIC inability to read a basic blitz.
c) HORRIBLE mechanics and footwork
 
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I barely watch college football, so my opinion is not to be trusted much. However, from what I have seen out of him, I think an innovative OC could find a role for him. He could possibly play some H Back/TE as another poster pointed out, while also serving as a backup QB who comes in for some wildcatesque packages at times. A big knock on the Wildcat was that it put the QB at risk. With Tebow out wide (or in as the rushing threat QB - Ronnie Brown role) it opens up a ton of possibilities out of that package. Not the type of player you draft day one, but as a day 2 pick he may have a role in the NFL. Maybe even an exciting role.
I say ask this again next year. Tebow's commited to being a QB in the NFL. I think he stays another year and focuses fully on developing himself as a better NFL QB prospect. I think Meyer agrees to work with him in that regard in return for the back 2 back national title opportunity Tebow brings to the table. I admire the kids drive, but I'm skeptical that he can transition to the NFL. But give him a year completely dedicated to polishing and improving his technique, who knows?He might be the ideal QB to survive running an option type offense at the NFL punishment level. So I see your point about an innovative HC. The problem is that I don't see an NFL coach installing that unique an offense so particularly tailored to the starting QB when there's no way in hell you could run it with the BU QB.
 
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Tebow has everything you need out of an NFL QB. He has all the talent in the world.And please stop the "tight end" talk. He'd be a terrible tight end. When has he ever caught a pass in college? He's really not that fast and he can't block. He's either going to be a QB or nothing.The problem for Tebow is that he has been put in a silly little collegiate offense with jump passes, options and five yard runs up the middle. That won't happen in the NFL and he'll have to learn how to operate.But he has a very good arm and makes some very nice passes, and I've watched most of his games.He has alot to learn though. He has no idea how to read defenses in the traditional NFL way, no idea how to operate out of anything other than the shotgun, and no idea how to run a pro-style offense.He'll be a great QB if he gets drafted and gets to learn for TWO YEARS. He doesn't need to play a single down. Learn like Philip Rivers did. If you want to bring him in for some "wildcat offense" in the redzone, that's fine, but I'd prefer to not even see that.If he gets thrown to the wolves, he'll fail and be terrible.If he sits down and learns, he could be amazing.
Would it not be appropriate for Tebow to sit down with Urban Meyer and say " Coach, I am considering coming back to UF for another season. However, my skills will not grow further in this offense. So if I come back and play in the same exact offense my prospects for the NFL will be no different than they are now. If you can commit to me that ~ 50% of the snaps that i will take in my senior year will be directly behind in the center in a more "pro style" offense, you can have me come back as your QB. Otherwise, I will go into the NFL and get drafted in the 3rd/4th round and start developing the skills that I will need to be an NFL player now".
 
I've said this way before this game.............the answer is NO.

Not this year, not next year. He's a great college QB but won't be a successful NFL QB. He'll get drafted, if he goes this year I am thinking 2nd day draft, next year obviously a higher pick but won't turn out to be anything more than a backup.

He is not a good passer and on balls 15 yards or more, I don't see the accuracy. He's great at running the ball, he's great at being the catalyst for that Florida team, he's very good at hitting little wide receiver screens where his WR's are usually twice as fast as all the other DB's from other schools because the Florida athletes are superior right now.

I saw a little more promise from Braddford this year than Tebow but even he isn't ready. Colt McCoy.......forget about it.

Call it the Curse of the Lions. They get the No. 1 pick and obviously could use a franchise QB for the ages. After last year, where there's actually 3 or 4 promising rookie QB emerging out of that draft, this year it looks like there isn't much......certainly not a QB worth the NO. 1 overall. Not a Peyton Manning or Troy Aikman type that's staring you in the face.

Curse of the Lions.
We agree in principle, but not on the particulars of passing accuracy. ESPN showed a stat pre-game on Tebow vs Bradford on passes of > 15 yards. Tebow's numbers were better.The issues with Tebow are (a) slow release and (b) inferior decision-making. The second pick in the game was PATHETIC inability to read a basic blitz.

Sorry to say it as I'm a Tebow fan, but he doesn't have the brain to be an elite NFL QB.
The first pick was a result of that slow motion...and inability to really put the zip on a deeper pass to the outside.
And that's a huge problem in the NFL. Consider the deep out...if your delivery is so slow that it gives the faster/smarter NFL DB's an opportunity to recover or cut back underneath the WR...
 
Yes, but not as a QB. The kid is everything I want in a football player, but he doesn't have the skills to be anything more than a backup QB. If he wants to play he'll learn another position, if he wants to be a QB he'll have a short career and won't see the field much/at all...but he'll probably have a long career in some capacity as a coach.

 
I think Tim Tebow is the most interesting skill position player in this draft class because of all the questions about him. I've analyzed a few games of his so far and I really like a lot of things about his game, but they aren't the things he's necessarily known for.

People talk about his running skills. I thought he was decent in the red zone as a QB with a FB's body but he's not that nifty and he really doesn't run with great pad level in a one-on-one situation where he's not running sneaks like a FB dive play. He gets taken down by one player more often than you would think for a guy touted as being so mobile. Kordell Stewart could run the football in the open field. From what I've seen thus far, Tebow is really not that dynamic at all.

What I do like is his ability to go through progressions, use pump fakes and play fakes to manipulate a defense, and he has made strides with his accuracy down field. This leads me to believe that he truly has potential to be a QB.

The problem is Tebow has 1st day athleticism, leadership, and toughness with high 2nd day QB skills that need 2-3 years of work (I think) before he'd truly be ready to get a shot as a starting QB. My worry is that one of the more foolish organizations in the pros will take him and then try to rush him on the field as a QB if he shows something good in the preseason.

What he really needs to work on is reading the field. I know I just said he goes through his progressions, but if you really watch his games you notice he's a guy that is best at throwing the receivers on the left side of the field and while he'll make reads to the right, he hurries them. Opposing coaches have learned game plan for it.

For example, in the SEC championship game, Nick Saban's defense played a combo of man and zone. On the left side of the field they played man on the best receiver on the field. On the right they had two CBs playing close to the LOS as if it were man, but it was really a shallow zone. They scouted Tebow and UF very well on this play. They were betting that Tebow would look right but quickly see what he thought would be man coverage and then go back to his left and go for the higher risk deep play up the left sideline. What they bet against was Tebow remaining patient and watch more than the wide guy running a quick slant. If he watched the slot receiver run his seam route, he would have hit the guy for an easy 20-30 yard gain because the safety was playing deep and was responsible for one of the two WRs that would go deep. But Alabama bet this would not happen by studying Tebow's tendencies...and they were right. Tebow immediately went to his left when the shallow slant looked covered.

In the OU game last night, his INT in the first half wasn't from him staring down one receiver. He was staring down that side of the field (which happened to be the right side of the field and he was pressured more to that side) and the defense knew he had only two options with the pressure forcing him right so the safety could read Tebow's eyes like a book and jump the second option Tebow decided upon.

Tebow needs to shore up his accuracy, reading and manipulating the defense, his mechanics especially moving to his right, and be more patient in the pocket. Better prospects tend to have these skills already but need time to adjust to the speed of the game and reading more complex schemes while shoring up minor mechanical issues.

I can't stand Florida, but I can't help but like Tebow and I'm not one of those people that are big on people preaching every second about their beliefs. I do like his earnest nature and his teammates respond well to him. He's a fiery competitor.

I really think he's a second day prospect with potential because he works on his game and it's a story I very much want to follow because I think he's a player that can develop but it all depends on where he goes and the attitude of the team that takes him.

And yes, his release is sllooooowww...which is why I think a team that wants him as a QB will need to be willing to wait awhile and not think they can convince him to be a TE or LB if it doesn't work out after a year or two.

 
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The first pick was a result of that slow motion...and inability to really put the zip on a deeper pass to the outside.
And that's a huge problem in the NFL. Consider the deep out...if your delivery is so slow that it gives the faster/smarter NFL DB's an opportunity to recover or cut back underneath the WR...
Agreed.When I saw that first pick, I said to myself....right there is EXACTLY why he won't make it as a QB at the next level. It was the perfect example of all the flaws in his game: Slow delivery, poor footwork, not enough arm strength, average accuracy, locks in on his WR's.

 
I barely watch college football, so my opinion is not to be trusted much. However, from what I have seen out of him, I think an innovative OC could find a role for him. He could possibly play some H Back/TE as another poster pointed out, while also serving as a backup QB who comes in for some wildcatesque packages at times. A big knock on the Wildcat was that it put the QB at risk. With Tebow out wide (or in as the rushing threat QB - Ronnie Brown role) it opens up a ton of possibilities out of that package. Not the type of player you draft day one, but as a day 2 pick he may have a role in the NFL. Maybe even an exciting role.
I say ask this again next year. Tebow's commited to being a QB in the NFL. I think he stays another year and focuses fully on developing himself as a better NFL QB prospect. I think Meyer agrees to work with him in that regard in return for the back 2 back national title opportunity Tebow brings to the table. I admire the kids drive, but I'm skeptical that he can transition to the NFL. But give him a year completely dedicated to polishing and improving his technique, who knows?He might be the ideal QB to survive running an option type offense at the NFL punishment level. So I see your point about an innovative HC. The problem is that I don't see an NFL coach installing that unique an offense so particularly tailored to the starting QB when there's no way in hell you could run it with the BU QB.
Another year at Florida won't help him in any way prepare for the NFL. What does Meyer know about preparing a QB to play football in the NFL? If he wants to learn how to be a NFL QB, he has to go to the NFL.
 
The guy is a winner. The guy is not your traditional QB. The guy actually has a big arm and is very accurate. The guy has a VERY slow release.Is he going to make it at the next level?

Which team is the best fit for him?

Which round do you think he will be drafted in?

Which round do you think he SHOULD be drafted in?
Are you talking about Vince Young or Tebow?
 
Tebow has everything you need out of an NFL QB. He has all the talent in the world.And please stop the "tight end" talk. He'd be a terrible tight end. When has he ever caught a pass in college? He's really not that fast and he can't block. He's either going to be a QB or nothing.The problem for Tebow is that he has been put in a silly little collegiate offense with jump passes, options and five yard runs up the middle. That won't happen in the NFL and he'll have to learn how to operate.But he has a very good arm and makes some very nice passes, and I've watched most of his games.He has alot to learn though. He has no idea how to read defenses in the traditional NFL way, no idea how to operate out of anything other than the shotgun, and no idea how to run a pro-style offense.He'll be a great QB if he gets drafted and gets to learn for TWO YEARS. He doesn't need to play a single down. Learn like Philip Rivers did. If you want to bring him in for some "wildcat offense" in the redzone, that's fine, but I'd prefer to not even see that.If he gets thrown to the wolves, he'll fail and be terrible.If he sits down and learns, he could be amazing.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Finally someone with some a brain.
 
Tim Tebow is a man among men. Just a great fine young boy. You are witnessing one of the Top 5 greatest college football players ever. I just wish everyone could have just 10 seconds in the presence of this great young man. Your life will be better for it!
 
I barely watch college football, so my opinion is not to be trusted much. However, from what I have seen out of him, I think an innovative OC could find a role for him. He could possibly play some H Back/TE as another poster pointed out, while also serving as a backup QB who comes in for some wildcatesque packages at times. A big knock on the Wildcat was that it put the QB at risk. With Tebow out wide (or in as the rushing threat QB - Ronnie Brown role) it opens up a ton of possibilities out of that package. Not the type of player you draft day one, but as a day 2 pick he may have a role in the NFL. Maybe even an exciting role.
I say ask this again next year. Tebow's commited to being a QB in the NFL. I think he stays another year and focuses fully on developing himself as a better NFL QB prospect. I think Meyer agrees to work with him in that regard in return for the back 2 back national title opportunity Tebow brings to the table. I admire the kids drive, but I'm skeptical that he can transition to the NFL. But give him a year completely dedicated to polishing and improving his technique, who knows?He might be the ideal QB to survive running an option type offense at the NFL punishment level. So I see your point about an innovative HC. The problem is that I don't see an NFL coach installing that unique an offense so particularly tailored to the starting QB when there's no way in hell you could run it with the BU QB.
Another year at Florida won't help him in any way prepare for the NFL. What does Meyer know about preparing a QB to play football in the NFL? If he wants to learn how to be a NFL QB, he has to go to the NFL.
I think Meyer might get the kid some help from a knowledgeable QB coach in return for his return. As another poster commented, he might work in some more pro-style plays here and there. Not an overhaul of his sytem, that isn't needed. Plenty of QB's make it on to NFL rosters despite not playing in a pro-style offense in college. Just not as many can overcome the double whammy of coming from a college style offense AND having poor fundamentals.Another year leading Florida to another National Championship combined with some visible improvement on his fundamentals, like his footwork and his release, would drastically increase his draft stock as a QB in '10. At this point in '09, he might not even be drafted as a QB! So how much is he going to learn about being an NFL QB while learning the FB or H-back position from the ground up?Were the Giants able to clean up Andre Woodson's problems? Tebow shortcomings as a QB seem eerily similar.
 
Is he going to make it at the next level? Maybe as a career backup. Works hard, needs to learn to take a ball from under center.

Which team is the best fit for him? Gators

Which round do you think he will be drafted in? wait a year

Which round do you think he SHOULD be drafted in? wait a year

He should finish another year as one of the greatest college players seen in awhile.

 
If Tim Tebow does in fact come out this year, he would be strictly a project no matter what position(s) you wanted to work him at.

That said, I don't see any way he comes off the board before the 4th round. He would be better served to stay at Florida for another year. There is no "real" promise for him in the NFL at this point.

 
If Tim Tebow does in fact come out this year, he would be strictly a project no matter what position(s) you wanted to work him at.That said, I don't see any way he comes off the board before the 4th round. He would be better served to stay at Florida for another year. There is no "real" promise for him in the NFL at this point.
I think there is going to be at least ONE team that will have enough interest in him and worry about him slipping past them that he will go before the 4th round if he declares. There's enough buzz about him that I really doubt he slips past the 3rd round. It only takes 1 team to "reach".
 
Tebow has everything you need out of an NFL QB. He has all the talent in the world.And please stop the "tight end" talk. He'd be a terrible tight end. When has he ever caught a pass in college? He's really not that fast and he can't block. He's either going to be a QB or nothing.The problem for Tebow is that he has been put in a silly little collegiate offense with jump passes, options and five yard runs up the middle. That won't happen in the NFL and he'll have to learn how to operate.But he has a very good arm and makes some very nice passes, and I've watched most of his games.He has alot to learn though. He has no idea how to read defenses in the traditional NFL way, no idea how to operate out of anything other than the shotgun, and no idea how to run a pro-style offense.He'll be a great QB if he gets drafted and gets to learn for TWO YEARS. He doesn't need to play a single down. Learn like Philip Rivers did. If you want to bring him in for some "wildcat offense" in the redzone, that's fine, but I'd prefer to not even see that.If he gets thrown to the wolves, he'll fail and be terrible.If he sits down and learns, he could be amazing.
Couldn't agree more.
:unsure: Im on board with this train of thought as well. Give him a couple years. Personally, I think he'll eventually make an incredible pro QB.
 

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