Is Vincent Jackson a top 5 Dynasty WR now? (1 Viewer)

[Max Power]

This quote got me thinking.

Chargers coach Norv Turner calls Vincent Jackson one of the five best receivers in the NFL.V-Jax is the first Charger with back-to-back 100-yard games since 1999 and is 2nd among receivers in fantasy points. The deep threat has caught 73 percent of his targets, including three passes classified as "poor." A free agent after the season, Jackson is poised to break the bank in 2010.

I think the consensus is Fitz, Andre and Calvin take the 1-3 spots and it becomes pretty open after that...Jennings, Wayne, Moss, S. Smith all make very good cases for top 5 as well.

 

[Kuz]

This quote got me thinking.

Chargers coach Norv Turner calls Vincent Jackson one of the five best receivers in the NFL.V-Jax is the first Charger with back-to-back 100-yard games since 1999 and is 2nd among receivers in fantasy points. The deep threat has caught 73 percent of his targets, including three passes classified as "poor." A free agent after the season, Jackson is poised to break the bank in 2010.

I think the consensus is Fitz, Andre and Calvin take the 1-3 spots and it becomes pretty open after that...Jennings, Wayne, Moss, S. Smith all make very good cases for top 5 as well.

I'm probably not the best person to respond as I don't play in Dynasty formats but I've been extremely happy with Jackson this year & he looks poised to end up in the Top 10 this year.. Not sure he'll crack the top 5 this year but I would guess he's a great Dynasty receiver when you consider his age to go along with a very good young QB in Rivers..

 

[Sabertooth]

This quote got me thinking.

Chargers coach Norv Turner calls Vincent Jackson one of the five best receivers in the NFL.V-Jax is the first Charger with back-to-back 100-yard games since 1999 and is 2nd among receivers in fantasy points. The deep threat has caught 73 percent of his targets, including three passes classified as "poor." A free agent after the season, Jackson is poised to break the bank in 2010.

I think the consensus is Fitz, Andre and Calvin take the 1-3 spots and it becomes pretty open after that...Jennings, Wayne, Moss, S. Smith all make very good cases for top 5 as well.

Don't forget Schilens and Josh Morgan.

 

[Max Power]

This quote got me thinking.

Chargers coach Norv Turner calls Vincent Jackson one of the five best receivers in the NFL.V-Jax is the first Charger with back-to-back 100-yard games since 1999 and is 2nd among receivers in fantasy points. The deep threat has caught 73 percent of his targets, including three passes classified as "poor." A free agent after the season, Jackson is poised to break the bank in 2010.

I think the consensus is Fitz, Andre and Calvin take the 1-3 spots and it becomes pretty open after that...Jennings, Wayne, Moss, S. Smith all make very good cases for top 5 as well.

Don't forget Schilens and Josh Morgan.

Are you implying V-Jax is a flash in the pan?

 

[Max Power]

Just to expand...V-Jax is 26 (four years younger than Wayne and Steve Smith). Assuming he stays with SD, He has a very good QB throwing the ball for the next couple years. Seems like some real good upside here...

 

[Caveman_Nick]

Vincent Jackson finished WR12 in standard leagues and WR 19 in PPR leagues in 2008. In 2007 he wasn't in the top 30.

He has had a nice 3 weeks, but let's not make up his bust for Canton just yet.

I would not be afraid to draft him in the WR8-WR12 range in a dynasty start-up, PPR or no. I would probably look at Roddy White, DeSean Jackson, Anquan Boldin, Santonio Holmes, Brandon Marshall, Wes Welker in addition to the players names above. Vincent Jackson would be in this group, but I do not put him in the top 5.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Top 5 MIGHT be a stretch, but it's not crazy either.

He's young. He has minimal injury history. He's huge. He's fast. He gets open. He has good hands. He's on a good team. He has a good QB.

What's not to like? The only thing really holding him back up until now is that there are other outstanding offensive options on his team (Gates, LT, other good complementary guys). Now it really looks like the team might finally consider him their go-to guy. If that continues, the sky is the limit for him.

He was a raw prospect coming into the league with ALL of the traits necessary to become great. Other than Calvin Johnson, I'm not sure there's a receiver in the league that can match up to his overall physical package. He just might one of the few guys who actually lives up to that kind of potential.

 

[benm3218]

This quote got me thinking.

Chargers coach Norv Turner calls Vincent Jackson one of the five best receivers in the NFL.V-Jax is the first Charger with back-to-back 100-yard games since 1999 and is 2nd among receivers in fantasy points. The deep threat has caught 73 percent of his targets, including three passes classified as "poor." A free agent after the season, Jackson is poised to break the bank in 2010.

I think the consensus is Fitz, Andre and Calvin take the 1-3 spots and it becomes pretty open after that...Jennings, Wayne, Moss, S. Smith all make very good cases for top 5 as well.

He is 6'5 and 230 pounds. That size and weight is very rare in a receiver. When you add in the sticky hands and the body control he has been displaying he has every opportunity to end a top 5 receiver. This year he is putting it all together and looks phenomenal.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

I don't think we can safely say he's entered the elite tier just yet. The sticking point for me is that his "emergence" this year coincides exactly with the Chargers' desperate need to suddenly make up for a complete lack of a running game.

If LT gets healthy, or they add another viable tough-yardage solution in the off-season, I think there's a good chance Jackson goes back to being a hit-or-miss deep threat. (A good one, but still...) For as long as SD has to resort to being a throw-first offense, he's probably as good a bet as there is. But I can't believe this is how they'd prefer to operate over the long run.

 

[benm3218]

I don't think we can safely say he's entered the elite tier just yet. The sticking point for me is that his "emergence" this year coincides exactly with the Chargers' desperate need to suddenly make up for a complete lack of a running game.

If LT gets healthy, or they add another viable tough-yardage solution in the off-season, I think there's a good chance Jackson goes back to being a hit-or-miss deep threat. (A good one, but still...) For as long as SD has to resort to being a throw-first offense, he's probably as good a bet as there is. But I can't believe this is how they'd prefer to operate over the long run.

With Sproles? Face it San Diego is becoming a passing team...

 

[perry147]

I don't think we can safely say he's entered the elite tier just yet. The sticking point for me is that his "emergence" this year coincides exactly with the Chargers' desperate need to suddenly make up for a complete lack of a running game.

If LT gets healthy, or they add another viable tough-yardage solution in the off-season, I think there's a good chance Jackson goes back to being a hit-or-miss deep threat. (A good one, but still...) For as long as SD has to resort to being a throw-first offense, he's probably as good a bet as there is. But I can't believe this is how they'd prefer to operate over the long run.

With Rivers and an aging LT that is the way the chargers are going to operate.

 

[KellysHeroes]

he was a FF WR3 moving into a solid WR2.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

I traded away VJ in the offseason because SD just doesn't throw enough to their WRs. I know, that can change. But, it hasn't for a long time. SD's targets to WRs the last 7 years:

2008: 220

2007: 206

2006: 211

2005: 244

2004: 205

2003: 253

2002: 260

To put that in perspective, there were 6 other teams with 260 or less targets to WRs last year (Chic, Min, Ten, Oak, Cle, Bal). The rankings of their best WR was 43, 18, 37, 64, 36, and 22. VJ ranked 12th (FBG) last year on the strength of his ypc and TDs. Maybe that will continue but it's clearly much easier for a guy with 150 targets to break the top 5 than a guy with 100-110.

 

[Max Power]

he was a FF WR3 moving into a solid WR2.

And scoring as a WR1.I guess this is the time to buy low on the guy.

 

[valhallan]

I traded for him before last year and love him. He has a weird reputation though. The knock on him is always that there aren't enough balls to go around in SD, yet he continues to improve his stats year and year and make more and more highlight reel plays. He's certainly been more of a deep threat than a possession guy in PPR, but he's shown the ability to go over the middle when needed and seems to have Rivers' complete confidence. At age 26 with no injury history, a franchise QB, and consistent year-over-year improvement, I don't know that there are 10 WRs I'd want more than him in a dynasty.

 

[jon_mx]

I say yes....VJ is just getting into his prime. Rivers is a very under appreciated top-tier QB, 4000 yards per year passer. LT is done as an elite back and Rivers is only going to be throwing more. VJ's combination of youth, size, talent, and ideal situation should make him a top 5 producing WR over the next few years. It has not really sunk in to people just how good of a passing attack SD has, so I would be buying. I would be shocked if VJ does stay in the Top 5 in stats the rest of this season.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

A lot of folks are worried about targets and rightfully so - that has been and may continue to be a big part of the equation for Jackson.

However, we are talking dynasty, and he's a FA next season. Assuming he continues to look as good as he has, that means one of two things is going to happen. Either SD will pay him a boatload of money or someone else will. SD isn't going to break the bank for him and then not feature him. And if they don't break the bank, someone else will. Either way, he should get lots of opportunity in the near future.

 

[Kuz]

I traded away VJ in the offseason because SD just doesn't throw enough to their WRs. I know, that can change. But, it hasn't for a long time. SD's targets to WRs the last 7 years:2008: 2202007: 2062006: 2112005: 2442004: 2052003: 2532002: 260To put that in perspective, there were 6 other teams with 260 or less targets to WRs last year (Chic, Min, Ten, Oak, Cle, Bal). The rankings of their best WR was 43, 18, 37, 64, 36, and 22. VJ ranked 12th (FBG) last year on the strength of his ypc and TDs. Maybe that will continue but it's clearly much easier for a guy with 150 targets to break the top 5 than a guy with 100-110.

Just curious as to who you traded Jackson for. It looks like he has played much better than you expected before the season.. Did you hopefully get something good in return? I'm guessing you may of lost on this trade but it's early..

 

[Restricted]

I guess this is the time to buy low on the guy.

Good luck.You may be able to get him a little cheap in a new Dynasty league where he was drafted as a WR3 but an established DLeague, the owner has probably sat on him for a good 2-3 years waiting for this. As an owner of VJax, I would trade staright up WR-WR for Fitz, Wayne and A.Johnson.Would have to think hard about C. Johnson, Colston, Boldin and G. Jennings.R. Moss and Car S. Smith and I would feel like I'm getting someone on the downside but would consider it.R. White is probably where I'd start saying no.

 

[SSOG]

Vincent Jackson finished WR12 in standard leagues and WR 19 in PPR leagues in 2008. In 2007 he wasn't in the top 30.He has had a nice 3 weeks, but let's not make up his bust for Canton just yet.

The problem is that, in Dynasty, if you wait until a player's bust for Canton is already made up, you can't afford them anymore. Dynasty is all about recognizing the next great players *BEFORE* it's abundantly obvious that they're the next great players. That said... Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Steve Smith, Randy Moss, Reggie Wayne are all clearly ahead of VJax, in my opinion. They've got the track record, and outside of Moss any age considerations are incredibly premature (all of the other WRs have at least 5 seasons of high-level production left in them). The fact that Randy Moss is Randy Moss causes me to rank him that high despite the age (based on historical trends, he's got 2 seasons of very high production and 1 season of garden variety high production left). I think he can be good enough in the next two seasons to justify that ranking, and I also think that if any WR is going to be the next Jerry Rice (i.e. continue to be productive past 35), it's Moss, who is a physical freak of nature and could lose a lot of his physical advantage while still remaining one of the most gifted WRs in the league.After those 6, you've kind of got a nebulous cloud of young not-quite-proven-elite WRs like Jennings, Colston, Bowe, and DeSean Jackson, as well as a couple of very proven but lower ceiling guys like Boldin and Rowdy Roddy White and the wildcards like Ochocinco and Marshall (who are proven, but risks for other reasons). I think Vincent Jackson very much belongs somewhere in the middle of that tier.

 

[perry147]

A lot of folks are worried about targets and rightfully so - that has been and may continue to be a big part of the equation for Jackson.However, we are talking dynasty, and he's a FA next season. Assuming he continues to look as good as he has, that means one of two things is going to happen. Either SD will pay him a boatload of money or someone else will. SD isn't going to break the bank for him and then not feature him. And if they don't break the bank, someone else will. Either way, he should get lots of opportunity in the near future.

The targets are going to be there. This year so far Chambers (whom many still thought was the #1 WR in SD) has 2 catches while Jackson has 16. Jackson is the guy to own in this offense. Forget about the SD of old is it tied to LT and as he becomes less of a focal point, the passing game will become more prominent.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Agreeing with many of the posters so far. I wouldn't take Jackson over Moss, Fitz, C Johnson, A Johnson, or Wayne. But he absolutely deserves to be discussed in the 6-10 range with Jennings, Boldin, Bowe, Smith, and Jackson.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

I traded away VJ in the offseason because SD just doesn't throw enough to their WRs. I know, that can change. But, it hasn't for a long time. SD's targets to WRs the last 7 years:2008: 2202007: 2062006: 2112005: 2442004: 2052003: 2532002: 260To put that in perspective, there were 6 other teams with 260 or less targets to WRs last year (Chic, Min, Ten, Oak, Cle, Bal). The rankings of their best WR was 43, 18, 37, 64, 36, and 22. VJ ranked 12th (FBG) last year on the strength of his ypc and TDs. Maybe that will continue but it's clearly much easier for a guy with 150 targets to break the top 5 than a guy with 100-110.

Just curious as to who you traded Jackson for. It looks like he has played much better than you expected before the season.. Did you hopefully get something good in return? I'm guessing you may of lost on this trade but it's early..

I probably worded that wrong. I should have said "let him go" rather than "traded him away". I like VJ and wasn't actively seeking to trade him. He finished 14th in our league last year and that's about where I expected him to be in the future, a high #2. So right now, his results are better than expected but his targets are in line with expectations. I'd expect his production to go down when LT returns.I traded VJ and Witten for S. Moss, Keller, the #1 pick, and the #10 pick. Too early to tell right now but I still feel good about it.

 

[nyGIANTSnj]

I've always liked VJax since he started in the league. I think he's a top 5 dynasty WR especially with a great young quarterback in Rivers.

 

[Caveman_Nick]

Vincent Jackson finished WR12 in standard leagues and WR 19 in PPR leagues in 2008. In 2007 he wasn't in the top 30.He has had a nice 3 weeks, but let's not make up his bust for Canton just yet.

The problem is that, in Dynasty, if you wait until a player's bust for Canton is already made up, you can't afford them anymore. Dynasty is all about recognizing the next great players *BEFORE* it's abundantly obvious that they're the next great players.

I understand and agree. The question was not "what do you think are Vincent Jackson's chances of being a top 5 Dynasty WR in the next couple of years?", it was "Is Vincent Jackson a top 5 Dynasty WR?"Hence my remarks about his bust for Canton.

That said... Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Steve Smith, Randy Moss, Reggie Wayne are all clearly ahead of VJax, in my opinion. They've got the track record, and outside of Moss any age considerations are incredibly premature (all of the other WRs have at least 5 seasons of high-level production left in them). The fact that Randy Moss is Randy Moss causes me to rank him that high despite the age (based on historical trends, he's got 2 seasons of very high production and 1 season of garden variety high production left). I think he can be good enough in the next two seasons to justify that ranking, and I also think that if any WR is going to be the next Jerry Rice (i.e. continue to be productive past 35), it's Moss, who is a physical freak of nature and could lose a lot of his physical advantage while still remaining one of the most gifted WRs in the league.After those 6, you've kind of got a nebulous cloud of young not-quite-proven-elite WRs like Jennings, Colston, Bowe, and DeSean Jackson, as well as a couple of very proven but lower ceiling guys like Boldin and Rowdy Roddy White and the wildcards like Ochocinco and Marshall (who are proven, but risks for other reasons). I think Vincent Jackson very much belongs somewhere in the middle of that tier.

Exactly what I was saying.

 

[Max Power]

Was just able to land him in a dynasty league for Felix and Hester.

Some owners still don't know what they've got.

I'll say it one last time...NOW is time to get on board

 

[Tau837]

This year so far Chambers (whom many still thought was the #1 WR in SD) has 2 catches while Jackson has 16.

Who thought that? I fully expected coming into the season that Floyd would take over for Chambers at some point this season, and I still think that. Chambers is a free agent after this season, and I don't expect him back in San Diego.