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Is Vincent Jackson faking an injury? (1 Viewer)
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yoadrian
Footballguy
Boom Switch
Footballguy
I only get burned once. Vjax wont be in my starting lineup anytime soon.
Boom Switch
Footballguy
He only reported cuz he's a Unrestricted FA next year right? He needed this year to count....He isnt going to play for SD, he wont risk his payday which is why he held out in the first place.
I understand all of that, which is why i said it would make sense. I would just like to believe that a player would just go out and play the last 6 weeks. Not just because its the right thing to do, but i would think he could make himself some money if he looked good over the last several weeks.
yoadrian
Footballguy
Of course he looks good in practice, he's playing for a new contract on a new team
Gopher State
Footballguy
I feel sorry for FF teams that kept vjac on their rosters all this time. He is just getting back at SD, if he doesn't play another game this year he still get a big contract next year. Why risk injury for what he is getting paid this year.
Polar Dude
Footballguy
How do I vote if I think it's a fake injury that will continue for the rest of the season?
Project Mayhem
Footballguy
I did find it odd that all reports of the injury from beat writers etc were that it was mild and he would be back in a minute. And then, all of a sudden, hes out for the game. Seems pretty fishy. I would not be shocked if he is not back on the field the rest of the season.
njherdfan
Footballguy
V-Jax will have to go to a doctor to get this injury evaluated. If it turns out that he is faking this, it will be news, and other teams will find out about this. I'd have to think that if it came out that he was faking this injury, that it would hurt his FA stock far more than anything else he could have done, and I also think V--Jax and his agents know this. I don't see any benefit to V-Jax to faking an injury.
yoadrian
Footballguy
Or he could have asked his agent, "hey what is the easiest injury to fake?" The best answer is maybe calf injury - lol what a cluster#$!@
NorrisB
Footballguy
Its actually in VJ's best interest to do this, because if he works hard, AJ will screw him again by tag+trading him, doing this insures that AJ gets ZERO for VJ because if they tag him he'd probably sign the tender just to screw over the chargers sign the tender and refuse to sign an extension with teams that want to trade for him.
Polar Dude
Footballguy
Way to think like a Bengal.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
The other possibility is that he does indeed have a mild injury that if he weren't being paid less than a 10th of what he is worth he might have considered playing through. But he has ZERO financial incentive to play through any injury, however minor.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
I heard the announcers on the radio say he had his helmet on going in the stadium after half time and wanted to get back in the game. Whether true or not I dont know but if it is then I would say he is just not in football shape yet.
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yoadrian
Footballguy
Could be, but would you trust him in your lineup if he were active next week? The last week before most ppls playoffs?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
not surprised
geoff8695
Footballguy
As I posted in the other thread, I honestly don't know if this is a legit injury or not.
However, IF AJ believes for one second that he's faking it, then I would guess AJ would be A LOT less likely to continue screwing with AJ by franchise tagging him during the offseason. Hence he would finally be free from AJ's manipulations and control.
This may be why VJax would resort to such a bush league tactic. It would be maximum damage at the worst possible moment to a Chargers offense that has already suffered so many injuries and is so thin at the WR position. And it would be the final straw that ensures his relationship with SD is severed for good. I can't believe that AJ would franchise tag any player that screwed over the team like that. Especially after being actively rostered for a critical game against the Colts with tremendous playoff implications late in the season.
Certainly AJ could try to poison the water by telling everyone what a bad guy VJ is and how he let the team down. But VJax and his agent may believe that VJ's market value won't take a hit for butting heads with AJ (kind of like Brandon Marshall's market value didn't take a hit) and that this wouldn't prevent him from getting a big FA contract from another team. They don't necessarily have to be right in their calculations, they just have to believe it in order to entertain such a strategy. Based on the bad blood between AJ and VJ and the quotes from his agent several weeks ago, it wouldn't surprise me if they do actually hold these beliefs.
Maybe that's what happened tonight, then again maybe not, but I wouldn't be shocked if that's the way it goes down.
However, IF AJ believes for one second that he's faking it, then I would guess AJ would be A LOT less likely to continue screwing with AJ by franchise tagging him during the offseason. Hence he would finally be free from AJ's manipulations and control.
This may be why VJax would resort to such a bush league tactic. It would be maximum damage at the worst possible moment to a Chargers offense that has already suffered so many injuries and is so thin at the WR position. And it would be the final straw that ensures his relationship with SD is severed for good. I can't believe that AJ would franchise tag any player that screwed over the team like that. Especially after being actively rostered for a critical game against the Colts with tremendous playoff implications late in the season.
Certainly AJ could try to poison the water by telling everyone what a bad guy VJ is and how he let the team down. But VJax and his agent may believe that VJ's market value won't take a hit for butting heads with AJ (kind of like Brandon Marshall's market value didn't take a hit) and that this wouldn't prevent him from getting a big FA contract from another team. They don't necessarily have to be right in their calculations, they just have to believe it in order to entertain such a strategy. Based on the bad blood between AJ and VJ and the quotes from his agent several weeks ago, it wouldn't surprise me if they do actually hold these beliefs.
Maybe that's what happened tonight, then again maybe not, but I wouldn't be shocked if that's the way it goes down.
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Breesisdaman
Footballguy
He wont be in my line up but I am not dropping him either. I have plenty of decent options at WR so I can do that. I am not sure if other owners can afford to be patient though.
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Polar Dude
Footballguy
@ AJ being characterized as some malevolent overlord. He's not Lex Luthor. He's just a GM making business decisions that he thinks will best help his team over the long run.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
The only injury worse than this was when Judge Smails "broke his arm" in Caddyshack.
geoff8695
Footballguy
Look back at some of the exchanges that took place several weeks ago and the manner in which VJ's representatives characterized AJ and his 'negotiation' style. I don't personally consider AJ to be Darth Cheney, but then again AJ didn't cost me millions of dollars in 2010 or have the potential to keep me from earning tens of millions of dollars in my first long term contract beginning in 2011.I would say VJ and his agent aren't
when it comes to AJ Smith, regardless of whether tonight's mysterious calf injury two plays into the game is legit or not...thekidd2009
Footballguy
:( this is exactly what happened.
FFdork
Footballguy
It's a great conspiracy theory, but I don't see it. Someone is going to have to give a much better explanation for why a ploy like this would help more than it hurts. I think this would be a terrible in terms of his open market value.
Side question: if he were to hit IR or be deactivated for games, how does this effect his free agency?
Side question: if he were to hit IR or be deactivated for games, how does this effect his free agency?
It doesn't.
Im sincerely hoping this is not a game, but i'd say its pretty hard to scientifically prove injuries that arent tears or breaks.Cramp, charly horse, mild strain, etc...Easy enough to fake, atleast for 1 week.
NorrisB
Footballguy
Pretty simple, if he played well, the chargers tag him, are you with me so far? If the chargers tag him they can trade him, still with me? If another team has to give the chargers compensation they will likely pay VJ less than they would if he was a FA, do you understand all that?
Wow, what a snot. I'm leaning toward the fake as well, but if doctors back him I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. Tough call.
Nate
Footballguy
Totally lost me, can you start at the beginning again?
Wouldnt VJax get top 5 WR money for next year if he is tagged? Couldnt VJax refuse any contract offer he received from any team during next season, making him an UFA the following season?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
@ AJ being characterized as some malevolent overlord. He's not Lex Luthor. He's just a GM making business decisions that he thinks will best help his team over the long run.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
Judging by his body language... it seemed to me that they were holding him out, rather than him saying that he wanted to be out. With all of the injuries on their team... maybe they just felt it was best to pull him out now... and live to fight another day. There is something to say for being fresh... but there is also something to say for being in playing shape... mid-season form. I am sure he is in great physical condition... but that doesn't mean that he was ready to play through an injury that he might just make worse... and then they lose him for the year. It's his first taste of real action... his muscles might have tightened up on him.
Matt Waldman
Footballguy
I don't think VJax faked this injury at all. A calf injury pretty much kills your chances to contribute if your job is to sprint. If he felt so much as a pull or a tweak, it was smart to keep him out of this game. The Chargers are smart to be cautious with him even if contract issues had no part of the equation. If he tears his calf his season is over. If he rests it for a week or two he could still be good for the playoffs.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
BTW... faking any injury wouldn't make him look like a great option for teams next year. Would you want a guy who is willing to do that to his team? On the other side of the coin... if the object is to get everyone to believe the injury is real... do you think that other teams would be interested in giving a player a huge contract after missing an entire year of football... as well as suffering a season ending injury the year before after only 3 offensive plays?
I don't think he's faking it. He probably strained his calf early and they wanted to play it safe with him.
I don't think he's faking it. He probably strained his calf early and they wanted to play it safe with him.
Football Critic
Footballguy
Strained muscles are easy to fake.Owww, my calf hurts,...prove me wrong?
I just watched the video of his actual injury, and I think this should settle the debate once and for all:
http://www.safeshare.tv/v/BEr6tHeuKnA?b=00:28&e=00:37
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http://www.safeshare.tv/v/BEr6tHeuKnA?b=00:28&e=00:37
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I'm going to side with this.If he did fake, how popular would he be on the sideline. This team is geling right now, the last thing they need is a cancer, which is exactly what he'd be if he was faking while everyone else is going all out. He'd be an absolute outcast on that sideline.No way he's faking an injury.
Tau837
Footballguy
:( (both)This notion is pretty silly IMO.
FarEastKilla
Footballguy
Faking a injury? Just look at Pierre Thomas for reference.
It also look like Rivers can throw to the water boy and still give him pro bowl stats therefore it won't help VJ if he pats his stats, over 75% of receivers in SD got or still injured which means VJ's chance of getting hurt is also high.
Most importantly, If AJ going out of his way to screw you out of millions of dollars would you still play for him? If you still would than corporate America wants you! Sheep for the flock.
It also look like Rivers can throw to the water boy and still give him pro bowl stats therefore it won't help VJ if he pats his stats, over 75% of receivers in SD got or still injured which means VJ's chance of getting hurt is also high.
Most importantly, If AJ going out of his way to screw you out of millions of dollars would you still play for him? If you still would than corporate America wants you! Sheep for the flock.
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bakes
I am the Beer God!
Yeah, I noticed that as well - he was NOT a happy camper.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/no..._medium=twitter
What a bum if he really did fake it, and this really makes it seem like he did. Lost a lot of respect for him.
What a bum if he really did fake it, and this really makes it seem like he did. Lost a lot of respect for him.
Riffraff
Footballguy
If he did fake it and gets caught by the trainers/docs, the team can suspend him for Conduct Detrimental to the Team. Doubt he wants to be suspended again.
He may have issues with AJ, but if he fakes it then he is screwing over his teammates. I can't really see him doing that.
He may have issues with AJ, but if he fakes it then he is screwing over his teammates. I can't really see him doing that.
massraider
Footballguy
Seems as plausible to me as the original poster's theory, which was pulled from thin air.
Prof. Chaos
Footballguy
HustleBlood
Footballguy
I beg to differ. "In order to assure that Jackson would be an unrestricted free agent after the 2010 season, Jackson had to be on the roster for a half-dozen games, and Sunday night was the first of the Chargers’ final half-dozen regular-season contests."
"In the National Football League, a restricted free agent (RFA) is one with three accrued seasons of service, who has received a "qualifying" offer (a salary level predetermined by the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the league and its players) from his current club. He can negotiate with any club through a certain date. If the restricted free agent accepts an offer sheet from a new club, his old club has "right of first refusal," a seven-day period in which it may match the offer and retain him, or choose not to match the offer, in which case it may receive one or more draft picks for the upcoming draft from the player's new club. If an offer sheet is not executed, the player's rights revert to his old club the day after negotiations must end."
"Unrestricted free agent
Unrestricted free agents are players without a team. They have either been released from their club, had the term of their contract expire without a renewal, or were not chosen in a league's draft of amateur players. These players, generally speaking, are free to entertain offers from all other teams and to decide with whom to sign a new contract.
Restricted free agent
The specific rules of restricted free agency vary among the major professional sports, but in principle it means that a player is free to solicit offers from other teams for new contracts. However, before this player is allowed to sign with the new club, the current club has a chance to match (or come within 10% in some leagues) the terms of the new contract in which case the player must remain with the original team. In some leagues, when a team signs a restricted free agent, they must compensate the original team with draft picks."
So if he isnt active last 6 games isnt he a restricted free agent instead of a unrestricted free agent
