Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I also think that Dwyer is a decent last round flyer type pick. When I have essentially zero confidence in predicting how a situation will unfold, I'm all about grabbing the cheaper guy(s).
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Isaac Redman, RB, Pittsburgh Steelers (1 Viewer)
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I also think that Dwyer is a decent last round flyer type pick. When I have essentially zero confidence in predicting how a situation will unfold, I'm all about grabbing the cheaper guy(s).
Doesnt it take at least a year to heal an acl? People are worried about charles but expect him to be somewhat near 100% near the season opener, but mendy was injured in week 17 and people are expecting him to come in week 7 and contribute( there is a bye i believe)? Not to mention he is in a contract year. You would think his priority would be to get healthy for next year instead of risking reinjury. I know ap tore his knee up worse and is a genetic freak and "might" be able to come back, but mendy i dunno
Eta: injured jan 1 2012.
Redman presents value now, but i have a feeling that will change after a few preseason games. I predict rice/foster hype, just my opinion
Eta: injured jan 1 2012.
Redman presents value now, but i have a feeling that will change after a few preseason games. I predict rice/foster hype, just my opinion
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When we interviewed Jim Wexell, Steelers Beat Writer, for the audible, he sounded very confident in redman as a feature back, even opening the possibility that this is the first year of a multi-year run for him as the starter - saying he has basically already proven himself as starting material to the coaching staff and observers.
http://podcast.footballguys.com/2012/Footballguys-Audible-2012-Vol72a.mp3
Starting to think he could be one of the best RB values going this year.
http://podcast.footballguys.com/2012/Footballguys-Audible-2012-Vol72a.mp3
Starting to think he could be one of the best RB values going this year.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
This information would have been helpful yesterday! (prior to me trading him!) I think he is going to be a top 12 RB this year - just wish my redraft league was drafting sooner.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Steeler homers are pretty confident in him and there's probably more than just me that prefer Redman to Mendenhall. Mendy is much faster, but Redman is much more reliable to get positive yards and finish going forward. There has only been a couple games that Mendenhall didn't look like he tippytoed into piles/collisions to me. Redman is just as likely to bull a DE as he is a CB, and with a passing offense like this, I prefer either a scat back or a power back to the jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none like Mendenhall. Add some quality to the O line this year and I don't see how he puts up any less than top 12-19 numbers for the first 8 weeks. In fact, I think Redman doesn't give the entire job back when Mendenhall is healthy, but splits it about 50/50 (not counting Dwyer/Batch/Rainey touches).
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Still on the Dwyer bandwagon here. I think if he's in shape, he's going to end up as their 1st/2nd down back.
For the upside it presents, I see no problem securing the whole Pitt backfield at their prices.
For the upside it presents, I see no problem securing the whole Pitt backfield at their prices.
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Tau837
Footballguy
Based on what? Gut feeling? I don't see it.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Simply because I feel Dwyer is a better runner. When Mendenhall was out Week 5 vs. TN last year, it was Dwyer that shined running the football.
There's no question that Redman's the more well rounded. Barring injury, he's the Week 1 starter. JMO If the opportunity presents itself, a healthy/in-shape Dwyer will show he's a better runner than Redman.
There's no question that Redman's the more well rounded. Barring injury, he's the Week 1 starter. JMO If the opportunity presents itself, a healthy/in-shape Dwyer will show he's a better runner than Redman.
Meh...he's too fat and slow.
Monsters of the Midway
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
In weeks 5, 17, and 18 last year, when Mendenhall was out, the Steelers turned to Redman, not Dwyer.Dwyer's week 5 last year included a 76 yard run, which is why that game looks good for him. Certainly, that run is a credit to him. But he has rushed for all of two -- that's right, two -- first downs in his two year career. He has zero TDs. He has caught one pass. And even in week 5 last year, Redman had more carries.Hard to see what basis you are using to feel he is a better runner... college? preseason?
Monsters of the Midway
Footballguy
I like Dwyer, I think the audible guys are fond of him, but I haven't seen anything that tells me that he can be a feature back. Redman, when given the opportunity, has shown some ability to be the guy imo-not a stud but certainly capable of 1100 yard and double digit TDs in an offense that likes to run and will be winning a lot of games-IF given the opportunity to play 16 games. I am skeptical that Mendenhall will have any impact this year-hurts me to say that since I'm a fellow Illinois alum-so I am officially on the Redman bandwagon
gpthatsme
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Thanks for the link. I was thinking about the talk of where DeCastro fits in with the offensive line. That the starting guards are much better suited to power run blocking but that they are not very good getting outside. Then also talking about Heath Miller likely being left in to block often as the back up Pope is more of a receiving option and not a good blocker.So I would think using DeCastro as a TE (if he can play TE even with no passes going to him if he has no hands)with Miller would be a way to use all the strengths of the linemen for blocking scheme. If DeCastro can pass block the outside guy well enough then you can roll protection to Millers side and get him out on pass plays more often when defenses do not overload his side. Do you think they will do this on 1st downs for example?
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
So Dwyer was supposed to play on IR Weeks 17-18? Got it.I simply believe Dwyer is a better and more talented runner. Presented Week 5 in which he outshined Redman running the football when they played with Mendenhall out, in his lone opportunity to date with Mendenhall entrenched as starter. If Redman can perform consistently with 20+ carries, he'll remain the primary ball carrier. I do not see that happening. I see a carry share, just as was the case Week 5 vs. the Titans last year.
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I wouldn't take week 5 into consideration. Dwyer a 9.7 YPC guy? Please...I usually don't support the argument where if you take out that one big run his YPC is ridiculously low, but Dwyer is NOT a big play guy at all. He is not the kind of RB that needs to grind out 12-15 carries to hit his stride and hit that big play. Plus, the blocking on that one 76 yard play was perfect. The lone defender who was unblocked didn't even touch Dwyer...and not cause he juked or made any move...he tripped over himself.
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Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
This is how I see it playing until Mendenhall returns. No reason to think otherwise unless Dwyer's not healthy.I think Redman will be a RB2 with the 3rd down and goalline work with Mendenhall out.
RBBC for early downs with Redman on passing downs making Redman the better fantasy bet.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
rotoworld
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
see I don't quite get this at all....and have seen some other posts in here about taking Mendy later in the draft....are you guys really gonna waste not only a draft pick, but also a roster slot for 6-7 weeks on a guy who is going to miss at least a third of the season and then may also need some time to get "worked back in"....?....and is coming of a bad injury so who knows what he will be like 3 months from now...
draft pick + roster spot + uncertain if he will even get the job back or if he will return to form = undraftable to me.....let alone also locking down Dwyer...
I guess if you are in a league with HUGE benches then maybe I could get on board....but even then probably not....
people seem to think that as soon as Mendy comes back, it will be as if nothing has changed and he is going to just be handed the job back.....
man...I don't think so....
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people seem to think that as soon as Mendy comes back, it will be as if nothing has changed and he is going to just be handed the job back.....
man...I don't think so....
This. 100% this. Those who keep saying Mendy is some sort of "value" pick late in the draft are just way off base IMO. His injury happened later in the year...even if he does play at some point this year he'll be a change of pace guy. Even when he was healthy Mendy has never been the most explosive back in the world. We're not talking about an elite talent to begin with.
Take Redman with confidence. This situation is actually pretty clear cut in my eyes. Redman will get the majority of the touches with Dwyer spelling him.
Redman is going to end up being one of the biggest RB values in this years fantasy drafts.
man...I don't think so....
This. 100% this. Those who keep saying Mendy is some sort of "value" pick late in the draft are just way off base IMO. His injury happened later in the year...even if he does play at some point this year he'll be a change of pace guy. Even when he was healthy Mendy has never been the most explosive back in the world. We're not talking about an elite talent to begin with.
Take Redman with confidence. This situation is actually pretty clear cut in my eyes. Redman will get the majority of the touches with Dwyer spelling him.
Redman is going to end up being one of the biggest RB values in this years fantasy drafts.
Ryan Hester
Footballguy
I was leaning toward a "Redman Reach" BEFORE the Jim Wexell interview that Bloom linked earlier in this thread. Right now, Redman is RB26 (ADP 69) according to the comprehensive ADP page. I personally throw caution to the wind after Rounds 1 and 2 and look for high-ceiling players.
Therefore, I'd take him above the following guys:
RB25: Chris Wells (ADP 66)
RB24: Roy Helu (ADP 63)
RB23: BenJarvus Green-Ellis (ADP 59)
RB22: Shonn Greene (ADP 55)
Considering the lack of offense in Miami, I'd also think about taking Redman over RB21: Reggie Bush (ADP 49).
Despite Redman's current ADP of 69, none of these things will sound crazy after three preseason games. I believe he'll get his touches and do well with them, thereby generating some legit buzz.
Projections:
272 carries
1,115 yards (4.1 ypc)
8 TD
31 receptions
322 yards
1 TD
As of this writing, Redman is my #19 RB on the FBG Staff Rankings page (no one has him ranked better, Bloom and Tefertiller have him 19th as well). Barring the unforeseen, I don't envision that going down.
Therefore, I'd take him above the following guys:
RB25: Chris Wells (ADP 66)
RB24: Roy Helu (ADP 63)
RB23: BenJarvus Green-Ellis (ADP 59)
RB22: Shonn Greene (ADP 55)
Considering the lack of offense in Miami, I'd also think about taking Redman over RB21: Reggie Bush (ADP 49).
Despite Redman's current ADP of 69, none of these things will sound crazy after three preseason games. I believe he'll get his touches and do well with them, thereby generating some legit buzz.
Projections:
272 carries
1,115 yards (4.1 ypc)
8 TD
31 receptions
322 yards
1 TD
As of this writing, Redman is my #19 RB on the FBG Staff Rankings page (no one has him ranked better, Bloom and Tefertiller have him 19th as well). Barring the unforeseen, I don't envision that going down.
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
Some leagues allow PUP guys to be placed in Injured spot.Certainly not worst thing in the world to grab him in the later rounds & stash in there. Particularly given we're talking two guys in Redman/Dwyer that have never had extensive playing time over any length of time. If Redman/Dwyer are lighting it up come Week 6, drop Mendenhall if you want. If both are hurt/suck, you got yourself at minimum a RB2 in Mendenhall.
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Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
if my rb lasts 6 weeks I think it'll be a record.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
a league that allows PUP changes things SLIGHTLY....not sure how popular those are....but the point is you still have to draft Mendy at some point to put him on PUP so you are using that pick on him when you could have taken someone else...and then you say drop Mendy (after you have already wasted a pick on him) come week 6 if Redman and Dwyer are doing good...so right when he is scheduled to come back....and before you see how/if they work him back in....you drop him?.....the reason you drafted him is because you think he has enough talent to take over when he comes back....if thats not the case, then you shouldn't draft him in the first place....if you have drafted him and hung onto him that long don't you want to see what happens....flawed...
barring injury...Redman will not be going away even when Mendy comes back...if Redman gets hurt at some point, Mendy may have some value the second half of the season....if he is available and I have roster space at the time, I might think about picking him up....but I'm not gonna draft him before the season starts....if I miss out on the "greatest late season boost to my lineup ever"...so be it...
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
his groin is
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Have fun in the rearview mirror gentlemen.In before the "But Craig, Isaac ran wild Week 17 vs. Cleveland and playoffs vs. that stellar Bronco run D".Have a good season.
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Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Way to pat yourself on the back not only before the season even starts, but while Dwyer is also banged up.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Where would you take Mendenhall in a redraft league? I'm thinking of saving one RB spot for him and trying to snag him right at the last pick. Does he have more value than that? Assuming you make the playoffs, he might really help late in the season.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Looking more and more like PUP to start the year...seems like he is not ready.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
The news on Redman's groin issue doesn't sound good either. No word on the MRI but Bouchette had this on Redman: "RB Redman tried to practice. But fell painfully on all fours as trainers attended. Hasnt returned
Rick James
Footballguy
Looks like I'll be targeting Jon Dwyer late in the draft...13/14-ish, when everyone else is picking kickers and defenses
remote controller
Footballguy
I see things setting up for Rainey to get an early shot, and Haley just might pull the trigger. This offense is going to be more aerial than ever, and Rainey has that skill set.
Shutout
Footballguy
I remember just a year ago watching pre-season games hoping redman would have a good showing with his carries so that he would make the team. He did. And he performed well last season when needed.
I bring that up just as an illustration that A LOT can change in a RB in a year.
With Mendy's injury late last season, I'm not sure its a given that he is returning/effective after 6 weeks.
I'm also not sure we can write off Dwyer after a year to prepare and improve.
I think Redman will get the first shot if healthy but I don't think there is a closed door on Dwyer.
Re: Rainey. I think he was in the plans to be used, regardless. Not steadliy to where you can rely on him in your lineup each week just yet but I think its hit and miss and his role will be the same, regardless, unless the Steelers take on more injury hits.
I bring that up just as an illustration that A LOT can change in a RB in a year.
With Mendy's injury late last season, I'm not sure its a given that he is returning/effective after 6 weeks.
I'm also not sure we can write off Dwyer after a year to prepare and improve.
I think Redman will get the first shot if healthy but I don't think there is a closed door on Dwyer.
Re: Rainey. I think he was in the plans to be used, regardless. Not steadliy to where you can rely on him in your lineup each week just yet but I think its hit and miss and his role will be the same, regardless, unless the Steelers take on more injury hits.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Dude... calm down. Karma strikes people like you on the board all the time and as a fan of Dwyer and the Steelers you just need to let off it.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Not good. The Steelers are thin at RB and the list of free agents available is ugly. Chester Taylor and Maurice Morris are probably the best out there unless they can coax Tomlinson out of retirement.The news on Redman's groin issue doesn't sound good either. No word on the MRI but Bouchette had this on Redman: "RB Redman tried to practice. But fell painfully on all fours as trainers attended. Hasnt returned
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Barber retired. Addai appears to be done. Forgot about Grant, he's probably the best of the bunchespn:
Did they just call Dwyer this years backup, or am i reading this wrong? crazy he is hurt too...maybe jo addai, ryan grant, or marion barber get a call
Sabertooth
Footballguy
This is true. Even Mendenhall, when or if he returns, isn't really a pass catcher either.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Only because the Steelers don't throw him the ball. He was very good in college and has done well in the pros with limited opportunities.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Also wonder if this means Mendenhall might not start the season on PUP now. His injury was pretty straightforward and everyone seems to be on the same page that it's healing well too. I had the impression that they were going to be extra careful since they had the luxury of a passable short-term replacement, but now I wouldn't be surprised if he's back a bit earlier provided he's really healthy.
ETA: what's the date that teams have to decide whether to PUP someone for the first six games of the NFL season?
ETA: what's the date that teams have to decide whether to PUP someone for the first six games of the NFL season?
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
Not sure but my guess is that you have until final cut down.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Arians didn't use the RBs much in the passing game, but Mendenhall is a solid receiver. Based on Haley's history, I'm guessing the RBs see more passes thrown their way this year -- just not sure who the beneficiary will be until Mendy makes it back.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Nah he isn't much as a receiver. One receiving touchdown in 4 years to go with less than 100 catches over that same span isn't great. He converts about 2/3 of his targets into catches, which is right around what Shonn Greene does. I don't see him suddnenly turning into a two way back.
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