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Isaiah Crowell (3 Viewers)

need2know said:
Yeah he was a highly thought of prospect early on but had some off field stuff if I recall
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Right.  Drugs and gun possession got him kicked out of UGA:

Crowell has the physical skill and conceptual know-how to develop into productive feature back in the NFL. He’s the best pure runner in this class. In fact, I think his combination of vision, balance, and burst would have made him a better prospect than any back in the 2013 class. But Crowell isn’t wrapping up his junior year at Georgia with a spotless off-field record. He’s about to learn one way or the other that talent only gets you so far in this world.

I hope this time he’s had enough hard lessons to choose the easier ones.
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https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013/12/30/isaiah-crowell/

He's kept clean in the NFL so far.

 
socrates said:
Mostly, Crowell has steered clear of trouble since joining the Browns; however, let us not forget that Crowell did make a very disturbing post to his Twitter account last summer depicting a black-hooded figure slashing the throat of a police officer.  
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That move allowed me to scoop him up for a future 3rd in dynasty last summer.  Here's to hoping that more stupid things come out from other players this summer!

 
socrates said:
Mostly, Crowell has steered clear of trouble since joining the Browns; however, let us not forget that Crowell did make a very disturbing post to his Twitter account last summer depicting a black-hooded figure slashing the throat of a police officer.  
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Yeah I don't get that either. What a buffoon. But, these guys didn't get to the NFL based off of their smarts... 

 
socrates said:
Mostly, Crowell has steered clear of trouble since joining the Browns; however, let us not forget that Crowell did make a very disturbing post to his Twitter account last summer depicting a black-hooded figure slashing the throat of a police officer.  
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After the backlash he received for this, Crowell went pretty far to make amends with the law enforcement community after reaching out to them. He met with a lot of officers and even attended one of the slain Dallas P.O.s. My background is in law enforcement and after reading the articles on it I thought it was pretty sincere and a teaching point in his life.

 
Note that top rookie DE Myless Garrett and third round DT Larry Ogunjobi are not yet listed with starters and at least one of those two rookies will be starting and both will be making a contribution to help solidify the run but early camp reports note the Browns starting offensive line is dominating the starting D-Line and blowing open massive holes.

So far the free agents added to the O-Line appear to have solidified the run blocking.

And don't forget that a month ago, Hue Jackson lamenting on not running Crow  more last year,

http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/22297/hue-jackson-i-beat-myself-up-for-not-running-isaiah-crowell-more-in-2016

Hue Jackson: 'I beat myself up' for not running Isaiah Crowell more in 2016

Jun 8, 2017

BEREA, Ohio -- Hue Jackson did not hesitate to raise his hand.

The Browns coach said recently it was all on him.

The topic: The 2016 season of Cleveland running back Isaiah Crowell, who averaged 4.8 yards per carry, seventh in the league among backs with at least 160 carries (10 per game). Crowell gained 952 yards, 15th in the league. How does a back who did so well when he touched the ball rank in the middle of the pack when it comes to yards gained?

He had 198 carries, which ranked 20th in the league.

Among the top 20 rushers in the NFL in 2016, only one back had fewer than 200 carries: Crowell.

“I beat myself up about that,” Jackson said.

In 2016, Browns quarterbacks threw the ball 557 times. Their backs carried the ball 271 times. That’s a pass-run ratio of more than 2-to-1.

The Browns threw the ball on 63.4 percent of their offensive plays, fourth highest in the league -- behind only the Baltimore Ravens, Green Bay Packersand Detroit Lions, all teams that have established quarterbacks. The Browns ranked 27th in the league in the percentage of yards that came from passing.

That was not a case where commitment matches production, and Jackson’s self-scouting of his team made that clear, though there were reasons.

“We all recognize where we were in games last year, and trying to play from behind is hard, and understanding what our team was last year, feeling that you had to get off to a fast start to get ahead of a team because you knew how some things would unfold,” Jackson said.

Translation: The defense struggled so badly that Jackson felt he needed to get points early. Then when he didn’t and the Browns fell behind, he felt he had to throw to catch up...
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Go to the link for the rest of the article.

 
I just hope the hype continues deep into the preseason so I can move him from a pot dynasty team.  I think Duke is going to take enough touches to never let Crowell be more than a weak RB2. Weak RB2s don't win championships unless your stacked somewhere else. Which this team isn't. 

 
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Blick said:
I just hope the hype continues deep into the preseason so I can move him from a pot dynasty team.  I think Duke is going to take enough touches to never let Crowell be more than a weak RB2. Weak RB2s don't win championships unless your stacked somewhere else. Which this team isn't. 
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I'm not so sure Duke is going to steal too many carries from him since they're talking about moving him to the slot now. 

 
Hankmoody said:
You didn't say markedly improved (although I disagree with even that) you said "literally nothing has changed about their situation" and that's false.  They have added talent on defense (more than just one DL) and on the OL that can go a long way toward improving the ground game.  They drafted Kizer who may just be an upgrade, even as a rookie, over the disaster they had last year.  Kessler is a year older and more experienced so he's going to be some amount > 0 better than he was last year.  And Crowell is a year older, stronger, wiser, more experienced so he should be improved.

There are a ton of reasons why one might be bullish on Crowell.
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The lack of a passing attack scares me off Crowell more than the Oline does

 
I like Crowell and think he's a solid runner but I hate the offense. 3rd is way too rich for my blood. I'd rather have Hyde a round later. I would consider Crowell late 4th but I doubt he will last that long.

 
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Chaka said:
I haven't read any reports but I take that as good news.  He seems about as entrenched as any starting RB in the league.
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All reports indicate he is running very well.  Absolutely no competition as the main ball carrier.  Duke has pretty much been moved to the slot since their WRs suck. Rookie 7th rd Dayes is getting very positive reviews and looks to be the likely backup.  If they can stay competitive and not abandon the run in the second half every week like they did last year, he could be a 1,200+ yard guy.

 
IMHO Crowell is all but certain to see his ADP rise to the early 3rd/end of the 2nd round as the season nears.

He is the bellcow on the Browns, they upgraded their OL tremendously, and the HC has already stated they are going to run Crowell more this year.

I would guess his absolute floor to be 1,100 all-purpose / 6 TDs, which would make him a solid RB2.

I do believe that he will greatly exceed his floor and put up closer to 1,400 all-purpose / 12 TDs and be a very solid RB1.

I'll be trying to get as many seats as I can on the Crowell train for my nickels worth. 

 
The sharks on here already know, but a lot of people in your league probably see a guy playing for a team that really struggled offensively last season and has no solution at QB, and will devalue Crowell as such.  If you are lucky enough to have a guy like this in your league, and he happens to own Crowell, its time to get on the horn!  This OL is vastly improved - may be a top 5 OL in the NFL, and the QB situation almost has to be better than it was last year, as will the defense, which obviously helps the running game.  

Love Crowell to be one of those guys that we see every season sneak their way into RB1 territory.  All the signs are there, doesnt take a genius to see it.  

 
ChuckLiddell said:
The sharks on here already know, but a lot of people in your league probably see a guy playing for a team that really struggled offensively last season and has no solution at QB, and will devalue Crowell as such.  If you are lucky enough to have a guy like this in your league, and he happens to own Crowell, its time to get on the horn!  This OL is vastly improved - may be a top 5 OL in the NFL, and the QB situation almost has to be better than it was last year, as will the defense, which obviously helps the running game.  

Love Crowell to be one of those guys that we see every season sneak their way into RB1 territory.  All the signs are there, doesnt take a genius to see it.  
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:yes: got him in an auction yesterday for about the same price Lynch, Abdullah and cook went, less than fournette.

 
I think Crowell is a better RB than Jeremy Hill and Hill did well in Jacsons offense with the Bengals for a couple years.

I don't think the RBBC tendencies have really gone away however and Duke Johnson is also a talented RB. Game scripts will likely lead to them using Johnson more than people who are bullish on Crowell might like to think.

In 2016 the Browns ran 983 offensive plays, 567 passing attempts and 350 rushing attempts.

I am pretty sure Hue Jacksons philosophy and mantra hasn't changed, yet they were still forced to throw the ball a ton.

Crowell started in all 16 games last year and had 198 rushing attempts 53 targets and 40 receptions.

The year before in 16 games where he started in 9 of them he had 185 rushing attempts 22 targets 19 receptions (this was another coach though).

In 2015 the Bengals ran 1004 offensive plays 505 passing attempts 467 rushing attempts.

This may be more the balance that Hue Jackson would prefer between run and pass if the defense is keeping things close enough and they are winning games.

In this scenario Hill started 15 games and played in 16 games had 223 rushing attempts 19 targets 15 receptions. Crowell is being used more as a receiver than Hill was.

In 2014 the Bengals ean 1018 total plays 503 passing attempts 492 rushing attempts.

Jeremy Hill started in 8 games played in 16 games and had 222 rushing attempts 32 targets 27 receptions

I think Crowell showing himself to be a better passing option than Hill and so that is good reason to be optimistic about his overall opportunities, even in situations where the Browns find themselves behind in the score.

I would still be cautious about projecting more than 220 rushing attempts for Crowell, but I can definitely see him also having 40 receptions again.

I could even see Crowell possibly having 250 rushing attempts this season, along with another 50 or so targets. However the track record of Hue Jacksons use of two RB in tandem, combined with Crowell's usage history would lead me to project 220 as the median range for rushing attempts. The upside would be 250 rushing attempts and downside 190 rushing attempts (about what he has been getting).

I am not sure what kind of numbers people envision for Crowell?

I would still be cautious about expecting a large increase in rushing attempts. There is evidence from the recent past that points to about 220 rushing attempts, if things are going well.

 
I like Crowell this season. But Duke will probably be in on 3rd down passing situations. So I would temper the reception totals a little.

 
Todem said:
I like Crowell this season. But Duke will probably be in on 3rd down passing situations. So I would temper the reception totals a little.
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Crowell had 40 catches last season and Johnson had 53. Do you think Johnson could have more catches this season?

 
Todem said:
I like Crowell this season. But Duke will probably be in on 3rd down passing situations. So I would temper the reception totals a little.
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This was the case last year as well, and crow did fine

MattFancy said:
Crowell had 40 catches last season and Johnson had 53. Do you think Johnson could have more catches this season?
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He actually might, given that they are moving him into the slot more, there could be some situational packages where he sees an uptick in targets and rec's. Im not sure it will negatively affect crow, since these were likely situations for the specialty back more often than not anyway. It just makes Dukes year end fantasy number a little nicer potentially

 
MattFancy said:
Crowell had 40 catches last season and Johnson had 53. Do you think Johnson could have more catches this season?
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Yeah I do as he is ready to have a firm role on the team in his third season as the pass catching back. I don't see Crowell's reception numbers being higher than last season hence my tempered expectations of his reception totals. But if they are....great.

Again though I think Crowell's rushing numbers have a higher ceiling this upcoming season as the Browns clear bellcow RB. I think he will be a solid RB 1 this season.

 
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Todem said:
Yeah I do as he is ready to have a firm role on the team in his third season as the pass catching back. I don't see Crowell's reception numbers being higher than last season hence my tempered expectations of his reception totals. But if they are....great.

Again though I think Crowell's rushing numbers have a higher ceiling this upcoming season as the Browns clear bellcow RB. I think he will be a solid RB 1 this season.
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Seems to me that all the news coming out of Cleveland regarding RBs is about them trying to find ways to get DJ the ball without compromising Crow.  Crow appears to be the clear lead back and may cede some obvious passing down work to DJ, and breather reps but it really looks like it's the Crow show.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Actually it seems like it will either be the same (Kessler) or worse, Osweiler or a raw inaccurate rookie.
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I hear you...

But if its Kessler its a guy with one more year of valuable experience than the raw rookie who was forced to start last year.  If its Brock, it means he beat out the guy that has one more year of experience than he did last year.  if it's Kizer, he beat out both of them and likely has more upside than either - at least on the surface.  I get that there are variables, but at it's core, in a vaccum, any of these scenarios would indicate an improvement over last year's poop show.

 
ChuckLiddell said:
I hear you...

But if its Kessler its a guy with one more year of valuable experience than the raw rookie who was forced to start last year.  If its Brock, it means he beat out the guy that has one more year of experience than he did last year.  if it's Kizer, he beat out both of them and likely has more upside than either - at least on the surface.  I get that there are variables, but at it's core, in a vaccum, any of these scenarios would indicate an improvement over last year's poop show.
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All reports are that Kessler looks like he has regressed.

Your paragraph reads like some one trying to find a silver lining that is not there. Basically what you are saying is if one crappy QB manages to be slightly less crappy than the other two, things will be just fine. I think it's very possible, if not likely, that the QB situation will be worse this year. The Browns also lost two of their better pass catching weapons in Pryor and Barnidge last year. In the case of Barnidge they just released him so maybe that's not a big loss or maybe they just wanted to evaluate their young TEs. I'm not even a huge fan of Pryor but he was by far their biggest threat in the passing game last season.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
All reports are that Kessler looks like he has regressed.

Your paragraph reads like some one trying to find a silver lining that is not there. Basically what you are saying is if one crappy QB manages to be slightly less crappy than the other two, things will be just fine. I think it's very possible, if not likely, that the QB situation will be worse this year. The Browns also lost two of their better pass catching weapons in Pryor and Barnidge last year. In the case of Barnidge they just released him so maybe that's not a big loss or maybe they just wanted to evaluate their young TEs. I'm not even a huge fan of Pryor but he was by far their biggest threat in the passing game last season.
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Not that things will "be just fine", but per my original statement, they should be better than it was last year...which really isn't setting a very high bar and really isn't much of a reach.

That said, I do hear what you are saying, and don't disagree that its still not a very good situation.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Actually it seems like it will either be the same (Kessler) or worse, Osweiler or a raw inaccurate rookie.
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I don't expect marked improvement at QB, but I can understand hope that Kessler would be better with (1) a year under his belt and (2) a better OL to protect him.

 
FF Ninja said:
I don't expect marked improvement at QB, but I can understand hope that Kessler would be better with (1) a year under his belt and (2) a better OL to protect him.
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It doesn't always work that way and as I said all reports from camp have said Kessler looks worse - which is why Osweiler is staring :shudder:.

I'm not a Crowell hater - and I do think he can have a solid year based on volume and the improved line. I just don't see much upside and it's starting to look like he will be off the board in the late second / early third. At that price, no thanks.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
It doesn't always work that way and as I said all reports from camp have said Kessler looks worse - which is why Osweiler is staring :shudder:.

I'm not a Crowell hater - and I do think he can have a solid year based on volume and the improved line. I just don't see much upside and it's starting to look like he will be off the board in the late second / early third. At that price, no thanks.
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True, it doesn't always but usually experience and improved OL help a QB.

But I've still got my money on Kizer winning that job, although I don't expect him to be that good in year 1.

I also think the defense will be improved (not great, but better) which will allow Hue to call runs more than he did last year.

 
Chaka said:
Seems to me that all the news coming out of Cleveland regarding RBs is about them trying to find ways to get DJ the ball without compromising Crow.  Crow appears to be the clear lead back and may cede some obvious passing down work to DJ, and breather reps but it really looks like it's the Crow show.
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CAW CAW!!

 
FF Ninja said:
True, it doesn't always but usually experience and improved OL help a QB.

But I've still got my money on Kizer winning that job, although I don't expect him to be that good in year 1.

I also think the defense will be improved (not great, but better) which will allow Hue to call runs more than he did last year.
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I think Kizer will be a disaster as a rookie if he starts. He's very raw and very inaccuarte. Hes a great athlete and may be a good QB some day but he's not ready.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I think Kizer will be a disaster as a rookie if he starts. He's very raw and very inaccuarte. Hes a great athlete and may be a good QB some day but he's not ready.
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You're probably right. I'm just saying I'm expecting him to be the starter. Not implying that's a good or bad thing!

 
Chaka said:
Seems to me that all the news coming out of Cleveland regarding RBs is about them trying to find ways to get DJ the ball without compromising Crow.  Crow appears to be the clear lead back and may cede some obvious passing down work to DJ, and breather reps but it really looks like it's the Crow show.
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Agreed. Crow is a solid play this season.

 
ponchsox said:
But at a third round price?
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Looking at the board right now.....how many true clear cut #1 bell cows do we have that also catch the ball?

In no particular order

Bell - 1st rounder

Johnson - 1st rounder

McCoy - 1st rounder

Elliot - 1st rounder

Gordon - 1st rounder

Freeman - 1st rounder

Murray - 1st rounder

Howard - 2nd rounder

Ajayi - 2nd rounder

Gurley - 2nd rounder

Miller - 2nd rounder/early 3rd rounder

In the second round those guys will go along with Gronk, some other WR's and potentially Rodgers

You are sitting in the third round....you took 2 WR's or went WR, Gronk or WR/RB or Rodgers/RB or WR

I am taking Crowell in the 3rd round as a no doubt bell cow. He will give you enough production to be an excellent RB2 or a value RB1 if you went WR/WR or WR/TE.

He is not a sexy pick. But a shark move IMO if you can pair him up with a WR/WR strategy in rounds 1 and 2 or a excellent RB2 with a RB/WR strategy in rounds 1 and 2.

There are a lot of question marks you can take later. With some rookies and guys who could be #1 guys but could lose a lot of time to other backs in RBBC's which are the norm in today's NFL.

 
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biju said:
Right now Crowell is going 37th overall (16th RB off the board) based on MFL ADP:

MyFantasyLeague 2017 ADP

Are you a buyer at this price or are you passing?  What are other people seeing in their drafts so far?
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Already bought.  Team comp through first 3 rounds + keeper is Michael Thomas, Dez Bryant, DeAndre Hopkins, Crowell.

Pretty pumped with this lineup.

 
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