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Isaiah Crowell (2 Viewers)

No QB, no Pryor, no Gordon. Duke still in mix. Maybe Coleman blossoms. Upgraded o-line with 9 in box. RB3 with 2 upside. 

 
ratbast said:
No QB, no Pryor, no Gordon. Duke still in mix. Maybe Coleman blossoms. Upgraded o-line with 9 in box. RB3 with 2 upside. 
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He had no QB and no Gordon last year. Britt is an upgrade to Prior imo. Coleman has a year under his belt to go along with the improved offensive line and Njoku. Duke has his role, but isn't a threat to unseat him.  RB2 with RB1 upside.

 
Nero said:
He had no QB and no Gordon last year. Britt is an upgrade to Prior imo. Coleman has a year under his belt to go along with the improved offensive line and Njoku. Duke has his role, but isn't a threat to unseat him.  RB2 with RB1 upside.
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That's about what I see too. I have him as a top 15 RB right now

 
He's literally the only young RB to buy for a cheap price without paying for DJ, Zeke, Bell.  Maybe Coleman as well but I'd imagine he's on teams that want him.  

 
Nero said:
He had no QB and no Gordon last year. Britt is an upgrade to Prior imo. Coleman has a year under his belt to go along with the improved offensive line and Njoku. Duke has his role, but isn't a threat to unseat him.  RB2 with RB1 upside.
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MattFancy said:
That's about what I see too. I have him as a top 15 RB right now
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All of the above + he's running for THE only contract he could expect to get worth anything, money motivates, he will get plenty of carries behind a very good run blocking line.

 
Ojaays said:
All of the above + he's running for THE only contract he could expect to get worth anything, money motivates, he will get plenty of carries behind a very good run blocking line.
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With 9 in the box. You guys are overrating him. He had a decent year but faded. Their line looks to be an upgrade but will the D keep them able to run? All of a sudden He has no competition at RB? Duke was drafted ahead of him last year by all of you and with a better online might be utilized more. I like him, just don't trust team can give him what we need for more

 
 

Speaking Wednesday, coach Hue Jackson said he's committed to running the ball more in 2017.
"Go look at my film," Jackson said, indicating that his history has always been to run the ball. He also believes Isaiah Crowell can "take it to another level" this season after rushing for 952 yards and seven touchdowns on 198 carries (4.8 YPC) last season. Crowell was the only running back in the top-20 in rushing last year to have fewer than 205 attempts. Now armed with one of the top offensive lines following the additions of RG Kevin Zeitler and C J.C. Tretter, along with the return of LG Joel Bitonio, Crowell has RB1 upside if the Browns commit to him.

 
 
Source: Scott Petrak on Twitter 
May 31 - 1:51 PM
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ratbast said:
With 9 in the box. You guys are overrating him. He had a decent year but faded. Their line looks to be an upgrade but will the D keep them able to run? All of a sudden He has no competition at RB? Duke was drafted ahead of him last year by all of you and with a better online might be utilized more. I like him, just don't trust team can give him what we need for more
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First 8 games - 4.9 ypc, 14 rec

Last 8 games - 4.7 ypc, 26 rec

The team as a whole tanked in the 2nd half from an offensive perspective. Passing yards decreased from 2054 to 1629. 

FWIW, did not draft Duke last year. Targeted Crowell and will do it again. Can't be too optimistic about the passing game, but hopefully Kessler takes a step forward. I'm probably in the minority, but I don't think Britt is a step down from Pryor and I'm excited to see what Coleman can do if he can stay on the field. With the improved OL, I think last year's stat line is easily replicated by Crowell (a few additional carries will offset the likely decreased ypc - even with a good OL, 4.8 ypc is hard to do). 

 
http://www.scout.com/nfl/browns/story/1781831-crowell-thinks-he-could-have-monster-year


Crowell thinks he could have 'monster' year
Isaiah Crowell is hoping to have a big year with the Browns in the final year of his rookie contract


BEREA, Ohio--He's done it the hard way.

Isaiah Crowell is betting on himself.

The fourth-year running back came to the NFL as an undrafted free agent from Alabama State in 2014. He signed a one-year contract last month that will pay him $2.74 million in 2017. If the Browns are unable to sign him to a contract extension, he will become a free agent after this season.

...  Crowell likes what he hears from Jackson and is hoping to capitalize on the opportunity.

"I know the type of coordinator that Hue is," Crowell said. "He likes to run the ball. I feel like it is going to be a monster year, also."

Crowell (5-11, 225) hopes to cash in with a multi-year extension with the Browns or possibly hit the free agent market after next season. 
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Pretty stoked to own this guy in my two main dynos, havent gotten any offers or inquiries for him yet, which is fine. Hoping he and Perkins have a solid year and my lotto tickets pay off

 
Soulfly3 said:
"I think he loses a ton of carries to _________ this season....."

The good ol days.
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He had 198 of 271 carries, so the problem wasn't losing carries - it was that they weren't running. With that improved OL, I suspect they'll be running quite a bit more. I'll be pretty surprised if Crowell doesn't put up top 10 numbers. He'd need more TDs for top 5. If this team ever finds a QB, this offense will be dangerous. All the pieces are in place except for QB. I think Kizer could be that guy in a year or two.

 
FF Ninja said:
He had 198 of 271 carries, so the problem wasn't losing carries - it was that they weren't running. With that improved OL, I suspect they'll be running quite a bit more. I'll be pretty surprised if Crowell doesn't put up top 10 numbers. He'd need more TDs for top 5. If this team ever finds a QB, this offense will be dangerous. All the pieces are in place except for QB. I think Kizer could be that guy in a year or two.
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Last year the defense was atrocious so the offense fell behind and had to pass from the second quarter-on.  I don't anticipate a 'huge' defensive turnaround but do think the Brown defense has potential to make a significant improvement, not only due to Myles Garrett and Peppers, etc, but because of DC Gregg Williams. 

I think the defense will hover more towards the 'respectable' side and that will create more run opportunities on offense, maybe Crow will even see a few fourth quarter leads where he will be leaned on to control the clock that he never had last year.

 
he's going to go too high prob in competitive leagues, but he'll end up on my teams in my leagues where a lot of guys are more recreational players.

 
Tool said:
he's going to go too high prob in competitive leagues, but he'll end up on my teams in my leagues where a lot of guys are more recreational players.
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Agreed. Most of the guys I play with will probably pass on him simply because he plays for the Browns.

 
MattFancy said:
Agreed. Most of the guys I play with will probably pass on him simply because he plays for the Browns.
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It usually works out passing guys who play for the browns.  Esp ones that go high.  If you get one late or off the wire that's cool.  But how many browns players over the last 10 years that have been picked high in redraft justify their cost?  Not many

 
need2know said:
It usually works out passing guys who play for the browns.  Esp ones that go high.  If you get one late or off the wire that's cool.  But how many browns players over the last 10 years that have been picked high in redraft justify their cost?  Not many
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True, but that doesn't mean Crowell can't buck the trend. He finished in the top 15 last year in both standard and PPR. I'd have no problem with him as my RB2 this season.

 
MattFancy said:
True, but that doesn't mean Crowell can't buck the trend. He finished in the top 15 last year in both standard and PPR. I'd have no problem with him as my RB2 this season.
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He did that with a bad OL. He should have a top 5 unit this year. I'm surprised people are so quick to pass on him at RB13/14. So I agree with you - I'd be ecstatic to have him as my RB2 and I wouldn't be averse to having him as my RB1.

 
FF Ninja said:
He did that with a bad OL. He should have a top 5 unit this year. I'm surprised people are so quick to pass on him at RB13/14. So I agree with you - I'd be ecstatic to have him as my RB2 and I wouldn't be averse to having him as my RB1.
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Exactly. I'm targeting him wherever I can. The Browns can't be much worse on offense, so that means Crowell should be more chances this season and has better blocking. No reason he can't finish in the top 15 again this year, with a legit shot at being an RB1.

 
I really like Crowell but his ADP his terrible right now.  I may nominate him right away in my auction league and see if I can get him cheap otherwise hope that someone pays full price for him.

 
need2know said:
It usually works out passing guys who play for the browns.  Esp ones that go high.  If you get one late or off the wire that's cool.  But how many browns players over the last 10 years that have been picked high in redraft justify their cost?  Not many
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Josh Gordon and T. Pryor were both pretty usable for FF.  Neither were drafted high though in their good year.

 
Agree with consensus here that Crowell is in line for a big year behind a revamped line but wary about where he is going recently in terms of ADP.

For those putting that extra stock in the Browns O line's improvement, do you feel like Duke becomes a must handcuff? 

 
I'm back and forth on Crowell this year.  I had him last year, had some nice games, had some duds, I was happy overall because I got him at a great price.  This years ADP of 14 seems a little nutty to me.. I don't think I am buying at that price, but if he drops another 6-7 spots, I think that's where I am comfortable taking him.

 
MattFancy said:
He finished in the top 15 last year in both standard and PPR.
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Sometimes that's just a battle of attrition and playing 16 games is all it takes to finish top 20. I think there's reason for some optimism this season with an improved o-line but 1,100 total yards and 7 TDs in 16 games isn't overly impressive from last season. His second biggest game of the season also came in Week 17 (which didn't help fantasy owners - but still helps out his totals and isn't meaningless of course).

He had six weeks where he would have killed you as a RB1/RB2 and three weeks where he could have been a major factor in getting your win (although one was Week 17). He was mostly a mediocre option though from week to week otherwise.

Like I said he could be more consistent this year with a better line - but the Browns will still be a bad team and playing catch up a lot is my guess. Surprisingly he did catch almost 40 balls last season, so that helps for sure. I don't see that going up though, and it wouldn't be surprising if his catches decrease, with a rookie TE and their young WRs being worked in.

If you wait on RB and he drops to round 4/5, he's surely a decent option, but if I need to spend a second or third round pick? No thanks.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Agree with consensus here that Crowell is in line for a big year behind a revamped line but wary about where he is going recently in terms of ADP.

For those putting that extra stock in the Browns O line's improvement, do you feel like Duke becomes a must handcuff? 
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The 4for4 article makes it sound like Duke isn't as good of a runner, plus Crowell hasn't missed a game yet in 3 seasons.

Dr. Octopus said:
Sometimes that's just a battle of attrition and playing 16 games is all it takes to finish top 20. I think there's reason for some optimism this season with an improved o-line but 1,100 total yards and 7 TDs in 16 games isn't overly impressive from last season. His second biggest game of the season also came in Week 17 (which didn't help fantasy owners - but still helps out his totals and isn't meaningless of course).

He had six weeks where he would have killed you as a RB1/RB2 and three weeks where he could have been a major factor in getting your win (although one was Week 17). He was mostly a mediocre option though from week to week otherwise.

Like I said he could be more consistent this year with a better line - but the Browns will still be a bad team and playing catch up a lot is my guess. Surprisingly he did catch almost 40 balls last season, so that helps for sure. I don't see that going up though, and it wouldn't be surprising if his catches decrease, with a rookie TE and their young WRs being worked in.

If you wait on RB and he drops to round 4/5, he's surely a decent option, but if I need to spend a second or third round pick? No thanks.
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So true about the 16 games. That's often overlooked.

What's worth pointing out is that Crowell started to take over in the passing game as the year went on. Duke's half season targets split was 47/27 while Crowell's was 19/34. So he could feasibly improve upon his receptions total from last year.

My optimism comes from the fact that the Browns were really, really bad last year and while they still have plenty of question marks, I expect them to take a big leap in Hue Jackson's second year.

 
TripItUp said:
He'll need TDs to justify this ADP, who is the qb leading this offense again?
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He had 7 last year, tied for 15th. averages 6 per season on his career. 

How many TDs do you think he needs to score? To quote from the FBG page on him:

 

 Did you know Crowell was a double-digit PPR scorer in nine of 15 weeks through Week 16 last year?

And that five of those nine were over 15 points, three over 20?

Add in upgrades on the offensive line and a quarterback situation that could have some modest improvements and Crowell looks like a quality foundation best ball back that you can get in the fourth round.
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There's not a whole lot of reason, IMO, to expect less numbers than 2016... especially when Jackson says he wants to get Crowell involved heavily. Crowell is a RB2 with RB1 upside that you can get round 4

 
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Dr. Dan said:
He had 7 last year, tied for 15th. averages 6 per season on his career. 

How many TDs do you think he needs to score? To quote from the FBG page on him:

 

There's not a whole lot of reason, IMO, to expect less numbers than 2016... especially when Jackson says he wants to get Crowell involved heavily. Crowell is a RB2 with RB1 upside that you can get round 4
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What sucks is the hype on Crowell has him reaching into the 2nd round now.  He went 2.07 in a mock I'm currently in right now as the 9th overall RB.

 
Hawkeye21 said:
What sucks is the hype on Crowell has him reaching into the 2nd round now.  He went 2.07 in a mock I'm currently in right now as the 9th overall RB.
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He's ranked RB12 on FBG right now for PPR redraft... guys like Gurley, Miller are ranked ahead of him. I'd have him RB10 on my list (over both of them). I'd be torn between Fournette and Crowell in redraft, but Crowell is likely more of a "know what you get" kind of pick.

I can see him being a late 2nd round pick for sure. There's probably 9 or 10 WRs I'd take over him, 9 or 10 RBs. I don't take a QB or TE in the first 2 rounds. So I'm not terribly surprised. 

 
love me some Crow, but 2nd round?

don't think i could do it.  

Browns always a threat to underperform.  

and while the Oline is rated quite high, they still haven't played together yet.  

 
amnesiac said:
love me some Crow, but 2nd round?

don't think i could do it.  

Browns always a threat to underperform.  

and while the Oline is rated quite high, they still haven't played together yet.  
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second round is too high, in a perfect storm i believe his ceiling is in that range, but drafting him there at this point is too ambitious

 
Pwingles said:
second round is too high, in a perfect storm i believe his ceiling is in that range, but drafting him there at this point is too ambitious
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I'm not saying everyone should consider him in the top 25, but rather just how I draft it's unlikely I'd pass on him late round 2. In the latest FBG mock draft he went 3.09 (33 overall), which is about right. However, guys drafted above him starting at 3.08:

Tyreek Hill - I would likely take Hill over Crowell
Jordan Reed - I am surprised at how many TEs are going round 2 - early 3. If this is the trend then maybe I would take a TE round 2... I was hoping not to and to grab one round 3.
Demaryius Thomas - I had him last year and I just couldn't stand it, so personally I will stay away
Allen Robinson - upside is there but there is risk. I'd likely take him above Crow
Fournette - This is 50/50 for me Crowell vs Fournette... I'll conclude this as a toss up and I'll take whoever DD tells me to :)  
Miller - I'd take Crowell over Miller
Baldwin - I'd take him over Crow
Cooks -I'd take him over Crow
Kelce - I'd like to target him, round 2 seems high based on how high TEs go in my league, but if it meant round 2 so be it. I need to watch TE value early in my draft to see when I need to take one. I definitely don't want to be outside of the top 4. 
A Rodgers - I would take him if he fell to me in round 3, but not round 2. Just how I draft QBs. He's worth a 2nd round pick for someone, but not how I draft. 
Cooper - Absolutely above Crowell
Gronk - He's not on my draft list... I just have a lot of reservations given his injuries from a medical stand point. 


So on that draft I'm thinking I'd have Crowell rated maybe 5 players higher, 28 overall... which is still round 3 I suppose
 

 
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