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Randy Moss.

Donnie Avery has pushed Randy Moss to the bench this week. My other starting WR is Roddy White.

Who is Avery putting on your bench?

 
Starting him with A Johnson over Housh; I'm getting tired of TJ's 6 catches for 65 yards and no TD's. Don't get me wrong, I think he is playing well and getting open as much as he can, but the O line is horrible and Fitzpatrick isn't any good either. Meanwhile, Avery is taking off and I expect him to have a great second half, starting with about 6-110-1 today!!!!!!!!

 
I am in same boat as OP. Avery looks to have good matchup v. Cardinals. Should be a shootout. Moss and Pats playing a Colts defense that has only given up two TD passes this year.

 
For the 3rd straight week, Avery over TO in one league and Avery over Brandon Jacobs in another (flex w/ MBIII and Light Blue jesus).

 
Are none of you worried about a Torry Holt coming out party?
I would think this would only help Avery honestly. The Rams are going to have to shoot it out to win. You roll the dice virtually every week you play a WR, but Avery has the highest upside of all my guys outside of Brandon Marshall, so those are the guys I roll with this week.
 
Are none of you worried about a Torry Holt coming out party?
I would think this would only help Avery honestly. The Rams are going to have to shoot it out to win. You roll the dice virtually every week you play a WR, but Avery has the highest upside of all my guys outside of Brandon Marshall, so those are the guys I roll with this week.
:goodposting: Expecting a shootout. If Holt can get in the action, it's less likely that Avery has to face a double coverage situation. Plus, with Steven Jackson playing, I expect the AZ pass defense being that much softer today.
 
Starting him over Bowe and McGahee in one league, and over Harrison, Bryant and Breaston in another.

Both keeper leagues.

 
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Howie said:
Megatron and Santana Moss.
Boot said:
Starting Avery over Megatron and S. Moss
Never bench your studs Never bench a stud WR for a rookie WR
I love playing owners that use that strategy.It didn't work out today, but I'll keep going by my own decisions rather than following the herd.

Boot said:
Starting Avery over Megatron and S. Moss

:hifive:
Waiting for the "changed my mind and started megatron anyway" post.
Guess you missed post #27
 
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Howie said:
Megatron and Santana Moss.
Boot said:
Starting Avery over Megatron and S. Moss
Never bench your studs Never bench a stud WR for a rookie WR
I love playing owners that use that strategy.It didn't work out today, but I'll keep going by my own decisions rather than following the herd.
What was your justification for starting Avery ahead of Johnson? I checked half a dozen ranking services and none of them had Avery ranked anywhere close to Johnson. You seem pretty confident in your personal ranking system, so I'm wondering what the basis was.
 
Howie said:
Megatron and Santana Moss.
Boot said:
Starting Avery over Megatron and S. Moss
Never bench your studs Never bench a stud WR for a rookie WR
I love playing owners that use that strategy.It didn't work out today, but I'll keep going by my own decisions rather than following the herd.
What was your justification for starting Avery ahead of Johnson? I checked half a dozen ranking services and none of them had Avery ranked anywhere close to Johnson. You seem pretty confident in your personal ranking system, so I'm wondering what the basis was.
I don't know who "Boot" used, but one of the primary projection experts on this site, Sigmund Bloom, had Avery ranked higher.
 
Howie said:
Megatron and Santana Moss.
Boot said:
Starting Avery over Megatron and S. Moss
Never bench your studs Never bench a stud WR for a rookie WR
I love playing owners that use that strategy.It didn't work out today, but I'll keep going by my own decisions rather than following the herd.
What was your justification for starting Avery ahead of Johnson? I checked half a dozen ranking services and none of them had Avery ranked anywhere close to Johnson. You seem pretty confident in your personal ranking system, so I'm wondering what the basis was.
The Rams game looked likely to be a shootout on paper, although it didn't work out that way.I knew Arizona would put up points.

SJax was likely to be slowed due to his injury, Holt isn't a big factor anymore, Rams have played great the past 2 games under their new coach, and it was a home game for the Rams.

Plus Avery had a great 3 week run going, with his catch total increasing each week.

All signs pointed to the Rams playing from behind and Avery being their best bet at some long gainers.

I know they were playing from behind, and I don't know yet how many targets Avery actually had, but IMO the Rams screwed up if they didn't take enough shots down the field to him.

On the Megatron side, he was going against the Chicago D (I know they are 30th against the pass, but still a tough D), Orlovsky has to be feeling a bit bummed after the Lions signed CPep the other day, Calvin is averaging just 3 catches per game the last 4 weeks (yes with a score and big yards each time - but I figured the odds were against continuing to put up big numbers on so few catches), and he went 2/16/0 against the Bears just a few weeks ago.

I wish it had worked out better obviously, but I don't feel bad about my decision or reasoning.

Sometimes after a decision that didn't work out you see reasons why it was a bad decision and those are the ones you feel bummed about, but then learn from.

The decision today I think was a good one in terms of playing the odds, but it's basically chaos theory in action once the game starts.

 
The decision today I think was a good one in terms of playing the odds, but it's basically chaos theory in action once the game starts.
Uh, no.It wasn't "playing the odds". Calvin has been MUCH better, almost the entire year. His floor is much higher. His ceiling is much higher. His average game is much higher.I love how you point out the Bears are the 30th ranked pass D, but still a good D. You realize there are 32 teams right? 30th of 32 would make them awful against the pass. There was not "sound football reasons" to rank Avery higher. It was merely a gut feeling, with actually lots of evidence it was an awful move. You really can't bench the 5th best WR, for WR52 in any situation, regardless of the matchup. And it was a GOOD matchup for Calvin, which you totally ignored. I guess you missed the 40+ points the Vikings scored last week. The odds actually dictated starting Calvin, you were gambling, with little to no evidence to support it. In fact your reasons contradict themselves, constantly throughout your post. It was a weak play, trying to out think the room, getting way too caught up in the weekly matchups and forgetting who is an elite WR and who is a rookie with 2 good games in his career.
 
The decision today I think was a good one in terms of playing the odds, but it's basically chaos theory in action once the game starts.
Uh, no.It wasn't "playing the odds". Calvin has been MUCH better, almost the entire year. His floor is much higher. His ceiling is much higher. His average game is much higher.I love how you point out the Bears are the 30th ranked pass D, but still a good D. You realize there are 32 teams right? 30th of 32 would make them awful against the pass. There was not "sound football reasons" to rank Avery higher. It was merely a gut feeling, with actually lots of evidence it was an awful move. You really can't bench the 5th best WR, for WR52 in any situation, regardless of the matchup. And it was a GOOD matchup for Calvin, which you totally ignored. I guess you missed the 40+ points the Vikings scored last week. The odds actually dictated starting Calvin, you were gambling, with little to no evidence to support it. In fact your reasons contradict themselves, constantly throughout your post. It was a weak play, trying to out think the room, getting way too caught up in the weekly matchups and forgetting who is an elite WR and who is a rookie with 2 good games in his career.
You are picking out the points that support your argument, and ignoring the others, but no problem, I'm not trying to convince you. A previous poster asked my reasons, I explained them.Feel free to go by the rankings - no shame in that.I will say that, using your logic, it's hard to figure out how Megatron only went off for 2/16/0 just 4 weeks ago against today's same Bears. And that was when he still had Roy Williams to pull some of the coverage.
 
It wasn't "playing the odds". Calvin has been MUCH better, almost the entire year. His floor is much higher. His ceiling is much higher. His average game is much higher.I love how you point out the Bears are the 30th ranked pass D, but still a good D. You realize there are 32 teams right? 30th of 32 would make them awful against the pass. There was not "sound football reasons" to rank Avery higher. It was merely a gut feeling, with actually lots of evidence it was an awful move. You really can't bench the 5th best WR, for WR52 in any situation, regardless of the matchup.
:DI actually agree with a lot of boot's arguments in favor of Avery, and I could see how it would make sense to start him ahead of quite a few low WR1/high WR2 guys. But ahead of Megatron when he's playing the #30 pass defense??? Come on.
 
Howie said:
Megatron and Santana Moss.
Boot said:
Starting Avery over Megatron and S. Moss
Never bench your studs Never bench a stud WR for a rookie WR
I love playing owners that use that strategy.It didn't work out today, but I'll keep going by my own decisions rather than following the herd.
What was your justification for starting Avery ahead of Johnson? I checked half a dozen ranking services and none of them had Avery ranked anywhere close to Johnson. You seem pretty confident in your personal ranking system, so I'm wondering what the basis was.
The Rams game looked likely to be a shootout on paper, although it didn't work out that way.I knew Arizona would put up points.

SJax was likely to be slowed due to his injury, Holt isn't a big factor anymore, Rams have played great the past 2 games under their new coach, and it was a home game for the Rams.

Plus Avery had a great 3 week run going, with his catch total increasing each week.

All signs pointed to the Rams playing from behind and Avery being their best bet at some long gainers.

I know they were playing from behind, and I don't know yet how many targets Avery actually had, but IMO the Rams screwed up if they didn't take enough shots down the field to him.

On the Megatron side, he was going against the Chicago D (I know they are 30th against the pass, but still a tough D), Orlovsky has to be feeling a bit bummed after the Lions signed CPep the other day, Calvin is averaging just 3 catches per game the last 4 weeks (yes with a score and big yards each time - but I figured the odds were against continuing to put up big numbers on so few catches), and he went 2/16/0 against the Bears just a few weeks ago.

I wish it had worked out better obviously, but I don't feel bad about my decision or reasoning.

Sometimes after a decision that didn't work out you see reasons why it was a bad decision and those are the ones you feel bummed about, but then learn from.

The decision today I think was a good one in terms of playing the odds, but it's basically chaos theory in action once the game starts.
:P exactly what I was thinking - benching Calvin for Avery today. Sometimes we get 'em right, sometimes we don't.

I'm up by 30 and done vs. D Clark and Portis, so those extra 14 points would help the cause right now.

 
It wasn't "playing the odds". Calvin has been MUCH better, almost the entire year. His floor is much higher. His ceiling is much higher. His average game is much higher.I love how you point out the Bears are the 30th ranked pass D, but still a good D. You realize there are 32 teams right? 30th of 32 would make them awful against the pass. There was not "sound football reasons" to rank Avery higher. It was merely a gut feeling, with actually lots of evidence it was an awful move. You really can't bench the 5th best WR, for WR52 in any situation, regardless of the matchup.
:thumbup:I actually agree with a lot of boot's arguments in favor of Avery, and I could see how it would make sense to start him ahead of quite a few low WR1/high WR2 guys. But ahead of Megatron when he's playing the #30 pass defense??? Come on.
They Bears were probably around the 30th pass defense in week 5 too weren't they?... and Calvin hauled in 2 for 16.Avery was going against the #21 pass defense today in a game that had the chance to be a shootout.The Bears game had a chance to be another 30-7 blowout.That's why they play the games.
 
exactly what I was thinking - benching Calvin for Avery today. Sometimes we get 'em right, sometimes we don't.
:( I'll bet if the Rams had it to do over, they'd have taken several more shots downfield to Avery today.The good news is:Megatron's getting more targets - Detroit seems to have woken up to who their playmaker isThe Rams will quickly figure out after today's blowout that they'd better figure out how to get the ball to Avery more.A win/win for Megatron/Avery owners. :lmao:
 
...it's hard to figure out how Megatron only went off for 2/16/0 just 4 weeks ago against today's same Bears. And that was when he still had Roy Williams to pull some of the coverage.
For those of you wondering why Calvin Johnson was only 2/16/0 against the Bears in week 5, I can assure you it wasn't because of poor play on CJ2's part, nor was it because of great defense by the Bears secondary. As a Bears fan and a Calvin Johnson owner in multiple leagues, I watched that week 5 game against the Bears in its entirety, and remember the announcers (Billick & Baldinger - particularly coach Billick) commenting on numerous occasions that it was inexplicable why the Lions weren't throwing to Calvin Johnson, since the Bears were NOT doubling him, and the Lions were trailing by 3 or more scores from very early on. Billick made repeated references to how Johnson would be their best offensive weapon in this situation and how Williams wasn't maximizing his opportunities. Yet, Roy Williams was targeted an inordinate 18 or 19 times, while Calvin was underutilized. What made it even more unforgivable was that Williams despite all the targets only caught 6 passes, appeared to be playing selfishly, and was often a negative and/or disruptive presence to his own offense, both in-game and on the sidelines. I remember thinking to myself afterwards that Williams days in Detroit must be numbered. In retrospect it's possible that the Lions were forcing the ball to Williams in order to showcase him before the Dallas trade, but honestly Roy was underwhelming - and Kitna was just atrocious. I can't even emphasize enough how bad Kitna really was, and saying it doesn't truly do justice to how UNBELIEVABLY BAD Kitna actually was in that game. IIRC he was eventually benched sometime in the 2nd half for Orlovsky; and shortly afterwards the Lions IR'd Kitna for the season.On a side note Kitna's injury and stinky play earlier this season may help to explain some of the difficulty the Lions have had this year and the terrible quarterbacking that Roy, Calvin, and the Lions offense has been subjected to this season. Personally I haven't downgraded or benched CJ2 for being stuck with Orlovsky or Stanton from here on out, nor will I... IMO it has to be considered an upgrade from Kitna's impersonation of an NFL QB in 2008.
 
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Sebowski said:
Starting him over Bowe and McGahee in one league, and over Harrison, Bryant and Breaston in another.

Both keeper leagues.
That will probably cost me the game.
 

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