Ok....so let me put it this way. You can easily pull or strain a muscle by doing normal everyday things...like walking, running, cutting. That is my point. All it means is you either did not stretch or warm up properly, maybe your particular muscle you strained was fatigued, maybe the muscle was already sore and you pushed it.I get what you are saying but you misguided in what i was trying to suggest. RG3 injured himself without being hit too. usually when you are hurt by NOT being hit, it's not necessarily a GOOD thing, like I suggested, so I am curious as to HOW Charles hurt himself. Did he just turn over his ankle, make an awkward landing. If I was walking around or running and doing it "normally", and hurt a soft tissue I'd be curious and concerned that something is not so great with my foot.What in gods name are your talking about? Most muscle strains , tears, pulls etc are occur without any contact. Typically broken bones occure from contact.like i mentioned before, hurting yourself randomly while not being hit is not a GOOD sign, so I am curious as to what happened? Did he ran and just have an awkward cut/landing? Did he just roll over an ankle? because you don't just walk/run around and get injured unless something is unstable in the foot.
But soft tissue injuries? Plenty without anyone ever touching you.
So, I am curious as to HOW charles injured himself. if he was just walking and running normally and something went "wrong" that is not great as compared to just turning it over, landing awkwardly, etc (which I understand could lead to a worse injury).
i thought he was implying I should have sex with Adam Schefter.What?Schefter is a virgin.
Do with that info what you will.
No clue how bad it is, but coaches always spew that line.ESPN's Ed Werder reported Monday Chiefs coach Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey believe Jamaal Charles' right foot injury is not "a matter of serious concern" based on the initial diagnosis.
On Sirius XM Radio, Reid went so far as to suggest Charles could return to practice on Tuesday. Preliminary signs point to a day-to-day injury for Charles, despite a previous report of "private" concern over the ailment inside the Chiefs' organization. For now, Charles is only thought to have a foot strain. Aug 12 - 2:57 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4617/jamaal-charles
the distinction I am drawing was from slipped/awkward landing/turning over on foot as opposed to no none of the previous mentioned activities.Ok....so let me put it this way. You can easily pull or strain a muscle by doing normal everyday things...like walking, running, cutting. That is my point. All it means is you either did not stretch or warm up properly, maybe your particular muscle you strained was fatigued, maybe the muscle was already sore and you pushed it.I get what you are saying but you misguided in what i was trying to suggest. RG3 injured himself without being hit too. usually when you are hurt by NOT being hit, it's not necessarily a GOOD thing, like I suggested, so I am curious as to HOW Charles hurt himself. Did he just turn over his ankle, make an awkward landing. If I was walking around or running and doing it "normally", and hurt a soft tissue I'd be curious and concerned that something is not so great with my foot.What in gods name are your talking about? Most muscle strains , tears, pulls etc are occur without any contact. Typically broken bones occure from contact.like i mentioned before, hurting yourself randomly while not being hit is not a GOOD sign, so I am curious as to what happened? Did he ran and just have an awkward cut/landing? Did he just roll over an ankle? because you don't just walk/run around and get injured unless something is unstable in the foot.
But soft tissue injuries? Plenty without anyone ever touching you.
So, I am curious as to HOW charles injured himself. if he was just walking and running normally and something went "wrong" that is not great as compared to just turning it over, landing awkwardly, etc (which I understand could lead to a worse injury).
Your entire body is a pre-exsisting injury waiting to happen when it comes to muscle strains, tears and pulls. All it takes is for your muscle to not be awake or ready to go from zero to sixty. And that is usually when you get a pull, or strain. Also if your working hard and try to push through some soreness (your muscles way of telling you...hey I am tired) you can strain it.
My point is you really should not try to draw any conclusion in the fact this was a non-contact injury. They happen all the time in camp to hundreds of players in the league.
Agreed. This is why you have to watch if the players are full participants in practice or if they get more reps as the game approaches--that is the clearer sign.No clue how bad it is, but coaches always spew that line.ESPN's Ed Werder reported Monday Chiefs coach Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey believe Jamaal Charles' right foot injury is not "a matter of serious concern" based on the initial diagnosis.
On Sirius XM Radio, Reid went so far as to suggest Charles could return to practice on Tuesday. Preliminary signs point to a day-to-day injury for Charles, despite a previous report of "private" concern over the ailment inside the Chiefs' organization. For now, Charles is only thought to have a foot strain. Aug 12 - 2:57 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4617/jamaal-charles
MJD and Murray were supposedly week to week for months according to what their coaches were saying.
MJD's didn't admit his lisfranc until after the season was over.
This is bad news if true.THIS IS A FAKE REPORT TO PROVE A POINT, PLEASE DO NOT BE DECEIVED!
ESPN's Ed Werder reported Monday Chiefs coach Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey believe Jamaal Charles' right foot injury totally screws the team. IF Charles is out for any significant time the Chiefs chances of being competitive are shot and both men are beside themselves with concern. Reid could barely speak to Werder because of the uncontrollable sobbing.
is that what you'd expect to see?
hell no, they have to paint it pretty!
read the disclaimer at the topThis is bad news if true.THIS IS A FAKE REPORT TO PROVE A POINT, PLEASE DO NOT BE DECEIVED!
ESPN's Ed Werder reported Monday Chiefs coach Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey believe Jamaal Charles' right foot injury totally screws the team. IF Charles is out for any significant time the Chiefs chances of being competitive are shot and both men are beside themselves with concern. Reid could barely speak to Werder because of the uncontrollable sobbing.
is that what you'd expect to see?
hell no, they have to paint it pretty!
This is bad news if true.THIS IS A FAKE REPORT TO PROVE A POINT, PLEASE DO NOT BE DECEIVED!
ESPN's Ed Werder reported Monday Chiefs coach Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey believe Jamaal Charles' right foot injury totally screws the team. IF Charles is out for any significant time the Chiefs chances of being competitive are shot and both men are beside themselves with concern. Reid could barely speak to Werder because of the uncontrollable sobbing.
is that what you'd expect to see?
hell no, they have to paint it pretty!
Do what now?read the disclaimer at the topThis is bad news if true.THIS IS A FAKE REPORT TO PROVE A POINT, PLEASE DO NOT BE DECEIVED!
ESPN's Ed Werder reported Monday Chiefs coach Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey believe Jamaal Charles' right foot injury totally screws the team. IF Charles is out for any significant time the Chiefs chances of being competitive are shot and both men are beside themselves with concern. Reid could barely speak to Werder because of the uncontrollable sobbing.
is that what you'd expect to see?
hell no, they have to paint it pretty!.
Lizy Franklin?I liked the ankle story much better.
KC fans had better get used to this daily rhetoric really quick.......Such an interesting case...
It's too early to read into Schefter's initially worrisome report, Werder's followup of no concern, Schefter's lack of rebuttal on same show, Reid-Dorsey deflecting on Sirius, Caplan then quoting Reid as saying, essentially "We'll see." and now Mortensen's tweeting that an MRI is coming. And then the sprain-strain discussion added by Florio.
We'll know when we know.![]()
Did Reid say he has do a better job of putting Charles in position to not hurt himself?KC fans had better get used to this daily rhetoric really quick.......Such an interesting case...
It's too early to read into Schefter's initially worrisome report, Werder's followup of no concern, Schefter's lack of rebuttal on same show, Reid-Dorsey deflecting on Sirius, Caplan then quoting Reid as saying, essentially "We'll see." and now Mortensen's tweeting that an MRI is coming. And then the sprain-strain discussion added by Florio.
We'll know when we know.![]()
Not specifically targeting this incident, but.........yes. Reid always says he "has to do a better job, blah, blah, blah".....he's just not capable of it.Did Reid say he has do a better job of putting Charles in position to not hurt himself?KC fans had better get used to this daily rhetoric really quick.......Such an interesting case...
It's too early to read into Schefter's initially worrisome report, Werder's followup of no concern, Schefter's lack of rebuttal on same show, Reid-Dorsey deflecting on Sirius, Caplan then quoting Reid as saying, essentially "We'll see." and now Mortensen's tweeting that an MRI is coming. And then the sprain-strain discussion added by Florio.
We'll know when we know.![]()
A knee is a whole different ballgame as far as non contact injuries.I get what you are saying but you misguided in what i was trying to suggest. RG3 injured himself without being hit too. usually when you are hurt by NOT being hit, it's not necessarily a GOOD thing, like I suggested, so I am curious as to HOW Charles hurt himself. Did he just turn over his ankle, make an awkward landing. If I was walking around or running and doing it "normally," and hurt a soft tissue in my foot or ankle, I'd be curious and concerned that something is not so great with my foot or ankle.So, I am curious as to HOW charles injured himself. if he was just walking and running normally and something went "wrong" that is not great as compared to just turning it over, landing awkwardly, slipped, etc (which I understand could lead to a worse injury). [suggesting that normal activity leading to a soft tissue injury suggests instability in that muscle to begin with].What in gods name are your talking about? Most muscle strains , tears, pulls etc are occur without any contact. Typically broken bones occure from contact.But soft tissue injuries? Plenty without anyone ever touching you.like i mentioned before, hurting yourself randomly while not being hit is not a GOOD sign, so I am curious as to what happened? Did he ran and just have an awkward cut/landing? Did he just roll over an ankle? because you don't just walk/run around and get injured unless something is unstable in the foot.
Yeah, sounds more like he "got a ride"I wouldn't make a big deal out of him being "carted off".... a lot of guys have been "carted off" at Chiefs camp regardless of what the injury is. EX: Bowe was carted off for leg cramps early on in Camp. There were a few other guys carted off with minor injuries.
Sounds like Dorsey and Reid are not overly concerned, X-rays were negative but I haven't heard anything on MRI yet. That doesn't mean JC is in the clear yet, but it doesn't sound as bad as some had thought.
RGIII was definetly hitI get what you are saying but you misguided in what i was trying to suggest. RG3 injured himself without being hit too. usually when you are hurt by NOT being hit, it's not necessarily a GOOD thing, like I suggested, so I am curious as to HOW Charles hurt himself. Did he just turn over his ankle, make an awkward landing. If I was walking around or running and doing it "normally," and hurt a soft tissue in my foot or ankle, I'd be curious and concerned that something is not so great with my foot or ankle.So, I am curious as to HOW charles injured himself. if he was just walking and running normally and something went "wrong" that is not great as compared to just turning it over, landing awkwardly, slipped, etc (which I understand could lead to a worse injury). [suggesting that normal activity leading to a soft tissue injury suggests instability in that muscle to begin with].What in gods name are your talking about? Most muscle strains , tears, pulls etc are occur without any contact. Typically broken bones occure from contact.But soft tissue injuries? Plenty without anyone ever touching you.like i mentioned before, hurting yourself randomly while not being hit is not a GOOD sign, so I am curious as to what happened? Did he ran and just have an awkward cut/landing? Did he just roll over an ankle? because you don't just walk/run around and get injured unless something is unstable in the foot.
Yeah. The playoff game just showed how unstable his knee was when "on his own" it gave out twice. Once on the second td pass and yet again when he injured it trying to recover the fumble.RGIII was definetly hitI get what you are saying but you misguided in what i was trying to suggest. RG3 injured himself without being hit too. usually when you are hurt by NOT being hit, it's not necessarily a GOOD thing, like I suggested, so I am curious as to HOW Charles hurt himself. Did he just turn over his ankle, make an awkward landing. If I was walking around or running and doing it "normally," and hurt a soft tissue in my foot or ankle, I'd be curious and concerned that something is not so great with my foot or ankle.So, I am curious as to HOW charles injured himself. if he was just walking and running normally and something went "wrong" that is not great as compared to just turning it over, landing awkwardly, slipped, etc (which I understand could lead to a worse injury). [suggesting that normal activity leading to a soft tissue injury suggests instability in that muscle to begin with].What in gods name are your talking about? Most muscle strains , tears, pulls etc are occur without any contact. Typically broken bones occure from contact.But soft tissue injuries? Plenty without anyone ever touching you.like i mentioned before, hurting yourself randomly while not being hit is not a GOOD sign, so I am curious as to what happened? Did he ran and just have an awkward cut/landing? Did he just roll over an ankle? because you don't just walk/run around and get injured unless something is unstable in the foot.
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I know you're talking about the playoff game, but I'd say this had a pretty significant part in it.
Because we love to speculate and guess. Hehe.Why does everyone just keep posting with speculation? Why not just let this thread rest until more concrete news comes out? Don't you guys have work or school or something?
As a 9x dynasty owner it's painful to say that IMO it seems more like the Chiefs are worried and doing the best they can to convince people they've got it under control until they get more info and decide how to address things than it is that Charles is OK and will be back in short order.Still awaiting additional reports and I've probably doomed myself to a complete rewrite in ten minutes, but here's a post addressing the most common questions I'm getting right now...
From what it sounds like, they've been using the cart for everything. I was listening to the local radio here and they were saying how its a lot easier to cart these guys off then have them walk 500 yards up the hill to the facilities even if its for something minor... especially when its a lower body injury. Sounds like more of a precautionary thing, No need to have them walk on it when they can cart them up the hill real quick. An example they gave on the radio was they carted a guy off just so he could use the restroom. So again, I'm optimistic about him being ready for week 1 assuming the MRI doesn't show any serious damage. Wouldn't surprise me if they held him out for a bit to be on the safe sideYeah, sounds more like he "got a ride"I wouldn't make a big deal out of him being "carted off".... a lot of guys have been "carted off" at Chiefs camp regardless of what the injury is. EX: Bowe was carted off for leg cramps early on in Camp. There were a few other guys carted off with minor injuries.
Sounds like Dorsey and Reid are not overly concerned, X-rays were negative but I haven't heard anything on MRI yet. That doesn't mean JC is in the clear yet, but it doesn't sound as bad as some had thought.
If the MRI is negative and he returns to practice this week, then it's all good. But until those two things happen, I totally agree with your stance and wouldn't trust the coach speak one bit. Hopefully all will be revealed in short order but until it does, this adds a MAJOR wrinkle to the first round of drafts.As a 9x dynasty owner it's painful to say that IMO it seems more like the Chiefs are worried and doing the best they can to convince people they've got it under control until they get more info and decide how to address things than it is that Charles is OK and will be back in short order.Still awaiting additional reports and I've probably doomed myself to a complete rewrite in ten minutes, but here's a post addressing the most common questions I'm getting right now...
Mort withdrawing that tweet is especially worrisome IMO.
So how many different reports are we going to hear today? Geez.Jamaal Charles - RB - Chiefs
A source with knowledge of the situation tells Profootballtalk that Jamaal Charles (foot) is "fine."
The source offers up nothing more. The Chiefs have already said Charles is dealing with a foot strain, and X-rays later confirmed that there were no broken bones. NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Charles is walking around but is "having trouble pushing off." He'll almost certainly be held out of this week's exhibition game. Charles' timetable for recovery is currently unknown.
Source: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports
Aug 12 - 8:24 PM
You are going to hear every update along the way.So how many different reports are we going to hear today? Geez.Jamaal Charles - RB - Chiefs
A source with knowledge of the situation tells Profootballtalk that Jamaal Charles (foot) is "fine."
The source offers up nothing more. The Chiefs have already said Charles is dealing with a foot strain, and X-rays later confirmed that there were no broken bones. NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Charles is walking around but is "having trouble pushing off." He'll almost certainly be held out of this week's exhibition game. Charles' timetable for recovery is currently unknown.
Source: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports
Aug 12 - 8:24 PM
I think the plan is to keep posting them till we get a bad one.So how many different reports are we going to hear today? Geez.Jamaal Charles - RB - Chiefs
A source with knowledge of the situation tells Profootballtalk that Jamaal Charles (foot) is "fine."
The source offers up nothing more. The Chiefs have already said Charles is dealing with a foot strain, and X-rays later confirmed that there were no broken bones. NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Charles is walking around but is "having trouble pushing off." He'll almost certainly be held out of this week's exhibition game. Charles' timetable for recovery is currently unknown.
Source: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports
Aug 12 - 8:24 PM
yep, just passing along info... i don't own him in any of my leagues, just want to snag his handcuffYou are going to hear every update along the way.So how many different reports are we going to hear today? Geez.Jamaal Charles - RB - Chiefs
A source with knowledge of the situation tells Profootballtalk that Jamaal Charles (foot) is "fine."
The source offers up nothing more. The Chiefs have already said Charles is dealing with a foot strain, and X-rays later confirmed that there were no broken bones. NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Charles is walking around but is "having trouble pushing off." He'll almost certainly be held out of this week's exhibition game. Charles' timetable for recovery is currently unknown.
Source: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports
Aug 12 - 8:24 PM![]()
Is that what that means?Stay away.
Foot strain means injury that will linger all year.
Teams have a fair bit of incentive to try and hide problems, and not much incentive to deceive when the news is good. So IMO when there are conflicting reports being attributed to people who ought to know what's going on it's pretty logical to shade expectations to the gloomier side for the time being.I think the plan is to keep posting them till we get a bad one.So how many different reports are we going to hear today? Geez.Jamaal Charles - RB - Chiefs
A source with knowledge of the situation tells Profootballtalk that Jamaal Charles (foot) is "fine."
The source offers up nothing more. The Chiefs have already said Charles is dealing with a foot strain, and X-rays later confirmed that there were no broken bones. NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Charles is walking around but is "having trouble pushing off." He'll almost certainly be held out of this week's exhibition game. Charles' timetable for recovery is currently unknown.
Source: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports
Aug 12 - 8:24 PM
The deal seems to be: Ignore good reports, and believe negative ones as gospel.
I hope his draft stock DOES tumble. I'd be elated to be able to pick him up in the late 1st.Hopefully he's ok, but if his draft stock does tumble I wouldnt feel too good about taking him in the late 1st
I don't think Schefter's report is the only negative one. Rappaport says he can't put weight on it. They're going for an MRI. Maybe it's precautionary and maybe it's because they suspect something specific.The only conflicting report we have is Shefter saying people are "concerned". Otherwise, everything else has been good. He caught a ride with the cart, not carted off, a source tells PFT that Charles is fine, and Reid said he may practice Tuesday.
We have had a ton of injuries so far, not sure we have seen ANY cloak and dagger stuff so far, why would this be different?
Rapaport is having a tough time weighing which report he's hearing is correct, or Charles is having a tough time putting weight on his foot?Ian rapaport just said on total access he's having a tough time putting weight on it.