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[Rovers]

http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/b....xml&coll=1

Barlow to be released/traded, so bump Houston a bit as the power back in the Jets RBBC. With Samuel tagged, the Jets are expected to go CB with one of their 3 picks in the first two rounds. They also re-signed Poteat, who is depth, hopefully. Also, recently reported was that starting CB Barrett was suffering through a sports hernia, which the Jets had been reporting as a hip injury. Across from Dyson, the Jets had started Poteat, Drew Coleman and Justin Miller while Barrett was unable to play. None were very good.

Barlow refused to take a pay cut. Idiot. He'll be lucky to make a roster now.

 

[Banger]

http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/b....xml&coll=1

Barlow to be released/traded, so bump Houston a bit as the power back in the Jets RBBC. With Samuel tagged, the Jets are expected to go CB with one of their 3 picks in the first two rounds. They also re-signed Poteat, who is depth, hopefully. Also, recently reported was that starting CB Barrett was suffering through a sports hernia, which the Jets had been reporting as a hip injury. Across from Dyson, the Jets had started Poteat, Drew Coleman and Justin Miller while Barrett was unable to play. None were very good.

Barlow refused to take a pay cut. Idiot. He'll be lucky to make a roster now.

He'll make someone's roster. Heck he might start for the Ravens

 

[Kit Fisto]

Barlow to the Broncos?

 

[switz]

http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/b....xml&coll=1

Barlow to be released/traded, so bump Houston a bit as the power back in the Jets RBBC. With Samuel tagged, the Jets are expected to go CB with one of their 3 picks in the first two rounds. They also re-signed Poteat, who is depth, hopefully. Also, recently reported was that starting CB Barrett was suffering through a sports hernia, which the Jets had been reporting as a hip injury. Across from Dyson, the Jets had started Poteat, Drew Coleman and Justin Miller while Barrett was unable to play. None were very good.

Barlow refused to take a pay cut. Idiot. He'll be lucky to make a roster now.

He'll make someone's roster. Heck he might start for the Ravens

Truth is he played injured most of last season. While he's not the back most on this board thought he was when he couldn't beat out Hearst, he is better than he looked last season. In the right season he could be respectable... you know Lamont Jordan level. Just not a top-tier RB.

 

[switz]

Barlow to the Broncos?

Funny thing is... I could see it.

 

[JH56]

Responding to Barlow to Denver

Certainly not to hijack but just for my own clarification-wasn't it ratface Shanahan that called him the best back in the draft a few years back?

 

[Banger]

Barlow to the Broncos?

Funny thing is... I could see it.

yup. cheap, trash heap type back that Shanny might throw in the mix. Dayne/Droughns were a lot lower on the NFL totem pole than Barlow is.

 

[jurb26]

Responding to Barlow to DenverCertainly not to hijack but just for my own clarification-wasn't it ratface Shanahan that called him the best back in the draft a few years back?

 

[Reaper]

From the link:

But if Hall is the Jets' guy, they might be willing to move up by packaging one of their second-round picks in a deal.

Sounds Assinine to me, as if this writer thinks Bradway is back and the Jets are again willing to spend 2 picks for 1 questionable player.

From what I understand this draft is weak at CB.. BUT, Hall, is the best of the lot.

So, why would the Jets trade up in a draft where guys like Hall seem to be falling?

Not to mention that.. The Jets aren't THAT desperate at CB, not like they are in stopping the run or running and If they are pulling a page from the Pats drafts, I think that means you coach UP DB's and don't overspend there........ AND, lets get some Pass Rush going and at least help the CB's a bit.

I still think Justin Miller can be serviceable - Add some depth later in the draft.

 

[jurb26]

From the link:

But if Hall is the Jets' guy, they might be willing to move up by packaging one of their second-round picks in a deal.

Sounds Assinine to me, as if this writer thinks Bradway is back and the Jets are again willing to spend 2 picks for 1 questionable player.

From what I understand this draft is weak at CB.. BUT, Hall, is the best of the lot.

So, why would the Jets trade up in a draft where guys like Hall seem to be falling?

Not to mention that.. The Jets aren't THAT desperate at CB, not like they are in stopping the run or running and If they are pulling a page from the Pats drafts, I think that means you coach UP DB's and don't overspend there........

I still think Justin Miller can be serviceable - Add some depth later in the draft.

Moving up for any CB in this draft is a mistake IMO.

 

[Rovers]

From the link:

But if Hall is the Jets' guy, they might be willing to move up by packaging one of their second-round picks in a deal.

Sounds Assinine to me, as if this writer thinks Bradway is back and the Jets are again willing to spend 2 picks for 1 questionable player.

From what I understand this draft is weak at CB.. BUT, Hall, is the best of the lot.

So, why would the Jets trade up in a draft where guys like Hall seem to be falling?

Not to mention that.. The Jets aren't THAT desperate at CB, not like they are in stopping the run or running and If they are pulling a page from the Pats drafts, I think that means you coach UP DB's and don't overspend there........ AND, lets get some Pass Rush going and at least help the CB's a bit.

I still think Justin Miller can be serviceable - Add some depth later in the draft.

Yeah, he's farting between his lips. A trade up for a questionable CB? Har har. Aint gonna happen. Clements is apparently off the radar, so I can see the Jets using one of their second rounders on a CB, but I do think there are more pressing needs, especially if Barrett WAS hurt, and will be healthy. Sorry, but I don't think Barlow has a GOOD chance at getting anything less than the league minimum. I'm not sorry to see him go at all.

 

[Reaper]

Sorry, but I don't think Barlow has a GOOD chance at getting anything less than the league minimum. I'm not sorry to see him go at all.

I kinda felt that with the injury, Barlow had a little more to show and was decent in the rotation with Houston and Leon...... But, that salary numbers was a bit high. Sounds like they wanted to try to keep him but, for a cheaper contract....More than ever, now I see the Jets going after a RB and being that the draft isn't totally stocked at the Jets pick, Michael Turner might flash even more on the radar.....

 

[fruity pebbles]

Jets first rounder is already on its way to San Diego.

 

[JohnnyU]

Jets first rounder is already on its way to San Diego.

You never know, you could be right.

 

[Rovers]

Jets first rounder is already on its way to San Diego.

I honestly don't think so, but it doesn't get any more subjective that that. I have serious doubts that given the turmoil and expectations in SD that Norv Turner would want to see his backup RB traded away. If they hold him, I think they would get a end of third round comp pick for Turner in 2008. If I'm Norv, I beg AJ to hold onto Turner this year. The Jets have serious holes elsewhere, like a NT or DE, some help on the right side of the O line (as of now, last year's starting RT is UFA) and a CB. They also want an OLB that can pass rush. As a fall back, they can keep Blaylock, or look for another RB on day two, which is where they drafted Washington last year.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Jets first rounder is already on its way to San Diego.

I honestly don't think so, but it doesn't get any more subjective that that. I have serious doubts that given the turmoil and expectations in SD that Norv Turner would want to see his backup RB traded away. If they hold him, I think they would get a end of third round comp pick for Turner in 2008. If I'm Norv, I beg AJ to hold onto Turner this year. The Jets have serious holes elsewhere, like a NT or DE, some help on the right side of the O line (as of now, last year's starting RT is UFA) and a CB. They also want an OLB that can pass rush. As a fall back, they can keep Blaylock, or look for another RB on day two, which is where they drafted Washington last year.

That comp pick really has nothing to do with Turner, it's based on how many free agent signings they have versus losses and the monetary value of each. It's also like a 2009 pick I believe, if they even warrant one. I think with Norv as coach. Michael Turner has even less value to the Chargers. He's a strict backup now. Norv uses one back and nobody else gets hardly any carries. A different coach might try to get the guys on the field at the same time more or give LT more rest breaks allowing Turner more time in the game.

 

[Rovers]

Jets first rounder is already on its way to San Diego.

I honestly don't think so, but it doesn't get any more subjective that that. I have serious doubts that given the turmoil and expectations in SD that Norv Turner would want to see his backup RB traded away. If they hold him, I think they would get a end of third round comp pick for Turner in 2008. If I'm Norv, I beg AJ to hold onto Turner this year. The Jets have serious holes elsewhere, like a NT or DE, some help on the right side of the O line (as of now, last year's starting RT is UFA) and a CB. They also want an OLB that can pass rush. As a fall back, they can keep Blaylock, or look for another RB on day two, which is where they drafted Washington last year.

That comp pick really has nothing to do with Turner, it's based on how many free agent signings they have versus losses and the monetary value of each. It's also like a 2009 pick I believe, if they even warrant one. I think with Norv as coach. Michael Turner has even less value to the Chargers. He's a strict backup now. Norv uses one back and nobody else gets hardly any carries. A different coach might try to get the guys on the field at the same time more or give LT more rest breaks allowing Turner more time in the game.

Yes, the comp pick thing is inter related, and depends on what players were lost and which were signed via FA. It isn't a formula that is published, it's some super secret NFL thing, but there are two guys that tend to predict comp picks with incredible accuracy that show up at various sites, including some of the Jets boards I visit. I have to figure that Norv is expected to win at least 12 games and win in the playoffs. If you are Norv, do you want to take that risk? I sure wouldn't. If LT gets hurt, he will need M Turner big time. Aside from that, even for a Turner, trading a first is not this Jets' regime's MO. A second I could see, but like I said, this is 100% subjective, and no one knows what's up. If they say they do, they are full of baloney. All pure conjecture at this point, and one opinion has no more credibility than another.

 

[Rovers]

Teague was just cut. This does not make me happy. Wasn't anything learned from idiot Edwards who has no backup center? Unless his playing future is in doubt (and it may be, with having broken the same ankle twice last year) this is now another fairly high priority position of need. The Kendall disaster of 2005 is still far too fresh in my mind. 5 lost fumbles on snap exchanges in 3 games, and Kendall never knew who he was supposed to block, never mind calling the O line blocking assignments. Crappy.

 

[Z-Dog]

Jets first rounder is already on its way to San Diego.

I honestly don't think so, but it doesn't get any more subjective that that. I have serious doubts that given the turmoil and expectations in SD that Norv Turner would want to see his backup RB traded away. If they hold him, I think they would get a end of third round comp pick for Turner in 2008. If I'm Norv, I beg AJ to hold onto Turner this year. The Jets have serious holes elsewhere, like a NT or DE, some help on the right side of the O line (as of now, last year's starting RT is UFA) and a CB. They also want an OLB that can pass rush. As a fall back, they can keep Blaylock, or look for another RB on day two, which is where they drafted Washington last year.

That comp pick really has nothing to do with Turner, it's based on how many free agent signings they have versus losses and the monetary value of each. It's also like a 2009 pick I believe, if they even warrant one. I think with Norv as coach. Michael Turner has even less value to the Chargers. He's a strict backup now. Norv uses one back and nobody else gets hardly any carries. A different coach might try to get the guys on the field at the same time more or give LT more rest breaks allowing Turner more time in the game.

Yes, the comp pick thing is inter related, and depends on what players were lost and which were signed via FA. It isn't a formula that is published, it's some super secret NFL thing, but there are two guys that tend to predict comp picks with incredible accuracy that show up at various sites, including some of the Jets boards I visit. I have to figure that Norv is expected to win at least 12 games and win in the playoffs. If you are Norv, do you want to take that risk? I sure wouldn't. If LT gets hurt, he will need M Turner big time. Aside from that, even for a Turner, trading a first is not this Jets' regime's MO. A second I could see, but like I said, this is 100% subjective, and no one knows what's up. If they say they do, they are full of baloney. All pure conjecture at this point, and one opinion has no more credibility than another.

It's all conjecture, true, but we can still evaluate options. The way I figure it is if the Jets feel the need to bring in a real feature back they have three choices. They can go after Jamal Lewis or Ahman Green, which I think is laughably unlikely. Or they can go after Turner. Or they can trade up to get Marshawn Lynch.I'm guessing that Lynch could be had for the Jets 1st rounder and the the 'skins 2nd rounder. That would enable the Jets to move up to about 20, which is a low-side guess for where Lynch will go. If Turner can be had for a 1st rounder, either b/c SD only tenders him there, or b/c they tender him higher but deal him for a 1st, I think the Jets would prefer that route, even though Turner's contract will have to be larger than what they would pay Lynch.So I guess it boils down to what the Jets really want. If they're not looking for a feature back, I think they could sign a Chris Brown and have another camp battle for playing time. In that case they would spend their first three picks at DE, OL, and WR or LB. I don't think the Jets will take a CB in the first three. I think the Jets are fine with their deep if unspectacular group, and I think they still have hope that DColeman and Miller can continue to develop.

 

[Bri]

Jets are in a nice spot in that they can pretty much draft any position and not get "beat up" by the fans AND they don't stink.

They need LBers to run Mangini's system. Chatham can't be playing alot. While they have a few especially good ones they need to go 6 deep at least, total.

They also need a couple TEs. Baker is "eh" but Dreesen hasn't done squat. I mentioned in the Graham thread that I think he'll go to the Jets but in addition, I think they'll draft one. To run two TE offense, ya gotta have at least 3 TEs.

There's usually some old veteran CB out there for a smallish salary. I think they'll just do that. They might want a CB heading into the draft but they're not reaching and taking one too early or trading up. It's just not that big of a need. Miller needs alot of work but he sure has "nice feet" and is a good "specimen" for Mangini to work with.

Roberson's knee and switching to 3-4, I really think a 3-4 NT is what they have in mind.

They added two terrific linemen in the draft last year. OL isn't a huge need or anything but if some OL falls, adding to that duo and possibly having a dominant line for years will be too tempting for them to pass up.

 

[Rovers]

Jets are in a nice spot in that they can pretty much draft any position and not get "beat up" by the fans AND they don't stink. They need LBers to run Mangini's system. Chatham can't be playing alot. While they have a few especially good ones they need to go 6 deep at least, total. They also need a couple TEs. Baker is "eh" but Dreesen hasn't done squat. I mentioned in the Graham thread that I think he'll go to the Jets but in addition, I think they'll draft one. To run two TE offense, ya gotta have at least 3 TEs.There's usually some old veteran CB out there for a smallish salary. I think they'll just do that. They might want a CB heading into the draft but they're not reaching and taking one too early or trading up. It's just not that big of a need. Miller needs alot of work but he sure has "nice feet" and is a good "specimen" for Mangini to work with.Roberson's knee and switching to 3-4, I really think a 3-4 NT is what they have in mind. They added two terrific linemen in the draft last year. OL isn't a huge need or anything but if some OL falls, adding to that duo and possibly having a dominant line for years will be too tempting for them to pass up.

I don't think the Jets are looking to run any 2 TE offense however. The Jets offense is not modeled after NE's. It's the SD offense. I definitely would not call D'Brick a terrific lineman. He gave up 10 sacks (mostly on bull rushes) and isn't a good run blocker, although he can pull and block in space pretty well. He has trouble keeping weight on, and dropped about 20 pounds during the season. OL at this point in time is a very large hole, as last year's starter at RT, Clement is a UFA. Moore at RG is pedestrian at best. If the Jets sign Graham, it will be to block, and he wants more targets. I think he'll look elsewhere. Miller has all the tools, but he's a dimwit. He bites on double moves about as badly as I've ever seen a CB do it. He is now entering his third season, and can't crack the starting line up on a team that is weak at the position. He's a great KO return man, but I think that might be his ceiling. I agree, an OLB, an NT, moving Robertson to DE, or a 3-4 DE, a CB and a RT are the glaring holes on the Jets roster. The Jets just signed Poteat, but he also is a very mediocre CB. D Coleman got a couple of starts but was quickly put back on the bench. With 4 major need positions, I don't see the Jets either trading up or using a pick on Turner.

 

[Reaper]

I agree, an OLB, an NT, moving Robertson to DE, or a 3-4 DE, a CB and a RT are the glaring holes on the Jets roster. The Jets just signed Poteat, but he also is a very mediocre CB. D Coleman got a couple of starts but was quickly put back on the bench. With 4 major need positions, I don't see the Jets either trading up or using a pick on Turner.

RB is also a glaring need and there's not a ton options considering we already have the smallish RB role filled..... I think it all comes down to Brian Schottenheimers perception of Michael Turner. If he thinks this kid is the next LT, I think that would have a huge impact on the Jets. Next of course would be what they would be willing to spend.While I don't see the Jets trading up, I certainly can see them trying to pry Turner away - while the cost may be too much and SD just may want to keep the insurance. But I agree that Priorities 1 and 1A are getting BEEF to stop the run and run the ball..... Which by default helps the secondary weaknesses at RB and CB.If ALL they do this offseason is add Offensive and defensive linemen, I'd be satisfied believing everything else could fal linto place.

 

[Z-Dog]

Jets are in a nice spot in that they can pretty much draft any position and not get "beat up" by the fans AND they don't stink. They need LBers to run Mangini's system. Chatham can't be playing alot. While they have a few especially good ones they need to go 6 deep at least, total. They also need a couple TEs. Baker is "eh" but Dreesen hasn't done squat. I mentioned in the Graham thread that I think he'll go to the Jets but in addition, I think they'll draft one. To run two TE offense, ya gotta have at least 3 TEs.There's usually some old veteran CB out there for a smallish salary. I think they'll just do that. They might want a CB heading into the draft but they're not reaching and taking one too early or trading up. It's just not that big of a need. Miller needs alot of work but he sure has "nice feet" and is a good "specimen" for Mangini to work with.Roberson's knee and switching to 3-4, I really think a 3-4 NT is what they have in mind. They added two terrific linemen in the draft last year. OL isn't a huge need or anything but if some OL falls, adding to that duo and possibly having a dominant line for years will be too tempting for them to pass up.

First off, Dreesen isn't even on the roster - he was cut at the end of camp last year, and Sean Ryan was the #2 TE last season. Ryan is a good blocker but an underwhelming receiver. I suppose Graham is a possibility for the Jets, but Chris Baker has his best NFL season last year, so I don't know if the Jets are going to spend money there.I think OL is an enormous need - while the left side of the line is solid, the right side is understocked and underwhelming. OL might be addressed in free agency, but I don't think that the Jets will bring in an Eric Steinbach, so they're going to have to invest some picks in getting young players. DT is not as big a need b/c of the return of Sione Pouha, but I think DE is a huge need, given that Kimo is old and Ellis is not young and not a real 3-4 DE.

 

[(HULK)]

There is a chance that Lamont Jordan is a cap casualty in Oakland this year.

If so, I think there is a reasonable chance that he returns to the Jets as their primary back.

 

[Rovers]

Rumours spreading in the NY press say the Jets are interested a A Thomas, Ravens LB. Releasing Barlow and Teague created another 3.3 mil of cap space. That puts them somewhere between 25 and 31 mil under, depending on what source one chooses to believe. These reports name no sources, so I didn't bother to get the links. This is a signing I am likely to believe is a possibilty. Thomas turns 30 before the season starts, so he isn't ancient. He is familiar with playing OLB in a 3-4, and the Jets could then cut Barton, another rumour that has been circulating for some time now, as he's about 3.5 mil on the cap. That way, Thomas' hit on the cap would be minimized as well and I think Hobson would move inside.

If this happens, the two OLBs will have the same last names... Thomas. Gotta be a good nickname out there for a tandem like that. Two guys capable of getting 25 sacks between them...

 

[Z-Dog]

Rumours spreading in the NY press say the Jets are interested a A Thomas, Ravens LB. Releasing Barlow and Teague created another 3.3 mil of cap space. That puts them somewhere between 25 and 31 mil under, depending on what source one chooses to believe. These reports name no sources, so I didn't bother to get the links. This is a signing I am likely to believe is a possibilty. Thomas turns 30 before the season starts, so he isn't ancient. He is familiar with playing OLB in a 3-4, and the Jets could then cut Barton, another rumour that has been circulating for some time now, as he's about 3.5 mil on the cap. That way, Thomas' hit on the cap would be minimized as well and I think Hobson would move inside. If this happens, the two OLBs will have the same last names... Thomas. Gotta be a good nickname out there for a tandem like that. Two guys capable of getting 25 sacks between them...

I think that there are 32 teams in the league who are interested in Thomas, now that the Ravens have declared that they won't franchise him. Signing Thomas would be a huge talent upgrade, but I don't think that the recent releases are related to any possible efforts to sign Thomas. The big problem with any of the premiere FAs this year is that lots of teams have tens of millions of dollars are cap space, so it could be a fierce battle to get him.

 

[Rovers]

Rumours spreading in the NY press say the Jets are interested a A Thomas, Ravens LB. Releasing Barlow and Teague created another 3.3 mil of cap space. That puts them somewhere between 25 and 31 mil under, depending on what source one chooses to believe. These reports name no sources, so I didn't bother to get the links. This is a signing I am likely to believe is a possibilty. Thomas turns 30 before the season starts, so he isn't ancient. He is familiar with playing OLB in a 3-4, and the Jets could then cut Barton, another rumour that has been circulating for some time now, as he's about 3.5 mil on the cap. That way, Thomas' hit on the cap would be minimized as well and I think Hobson would move inside. If this happens, the two OLBs will have the same last names... Thomas. Gotta be a good nickname out there for a tandem like that. Two guys capable of getting 25 sacks between them...

I think that there are 32 teams in the league who are interested in Thomas, now that the Ravens have declared that they won't franchise him. Signing Thomas would be a huge talent upgrade, but I don't think that the recent releases are related to any possible efforts to sign Thomas. The big problem with any of the premiere FAs this year is that lots of teams have tens of millions of dollars are cap space, so it could be a fierce battle to get him.

I agree that recent releases are unrelated, but cutting Barton's salary and replacing him with Thomas makes the cap hit much easier to absorb. That is why it makes a lot of sense to me, even in a bidding war. Being perhaps the biggest name on the Jets in NY would also bring him a ton of other $. Don't think his agent doesn't understand that too, as he gets a cut of those extras. Players with big names make an awful lot of "other" money in NY.

 

[Bri]

I don't think the Jets are looking to run any 2 TE offense however. The Jets offense is not modeled after NE's. It's the SD offense.

Just about every team has a two TE offense.

 

[Bri]

First off, Dreesen isn't even on the roster - he was cut at the end of camp last year, and Sean Ryan was the #2 TE last season. Ryan is a good blocker but an underwhelming receiver. I suppose Graham is a possibility for the Jets, but Chris Baker has his best NFL season last year, so I don't know if the Jets are going to spend money there.

I guess I drew a blank here on Dreesen and forgot he got cut sorry bout that. Obviously Ryan's play wasn't too memorable for me.I don't disagree Baker looked pretty good in half of 05 and this past year but I feel like he's limitted.

 

[Bri]

I definitely would not call D'Brick a terrific lineman. He gave up 10 sacks (mostly on bull rushes) and isn't a good run blocker, although he can pull and block in space pretty well. He has trouble keeping weight on, and dropped about 20 pounds during the season.

I'm shocked we disagree here.Is that 10 total for the year? T is NOT an easy position for a rookie to play, that isn't even one a game. If I were a Jet fan I'd probably be OK with one sack each game going to Taylor and Seymour. Those two are exceptional. I really liked him in 06. I think Mangold looked like an all pro some series in 06 but comparing D'Brick to the rest of the NFL and not Mangold, he still looks darn good IMO.

 

[nygiants56]

Barlow to the Broncos? :X

 

[nygiants56]

Jets first rounder is already on its way to San Diego.

I honestly don't think so, but it doesn't get any more subjective that that. I have serious doubts that given the turmoil and expectations in SD that Norv Turner would want to see his backup RB traded away. If they hold him, I think they would get a end of third round comp pick for Turner in 2008. If I'm Norv, I beg AJ to hold onto Turner this year. The Jets have serious holes elsewhere, like a NT or DE, some help on the right side of the O line (as of now, last year's starting RT is UFA) and a CB. They also want an OLB that can pass rush. As a fall back, they can keep Blaylock, or look for another RB on day two, which is where they drafted Washington last year.

That comp pick really has nothing to do with Turner, it's based on how many free agent signings they have versus losses and the monetary value of each. It's also like a 2009 pick I believe, if they even warrant one. I think with Norv as coach. Michael Turner has even less value to the Chargers. He's a strict backup now. Norv uses one back and nobody else gets hardly any carries. A different coach might try to get the guys on the field at the same time more or give LT more rest breaks allowing Turner more time in the game.

:X

 

[Rovers]

I definitely would not call D'Brick a terrific lineman. He gave up 10 sacks (mostly on bull rushes) and isn't a good run blocker, although he can pull and block in space pretty well. He has trouble keeping weight on, and dropped about 20 pounds during the season.

I'm shocked we disagree here.Is that 10 total for the year? T is NOT an easy position for a rookie to play, that isn't even one a game. If I were a Jet fan I'd probably be OK with one sack each game going to Taylor and Seymour. Those two are exceptional. I really liked him in 06. I think Mangold looked like an all pro some series in 06 but comparing D'Brick to the rest of the NFL and not Mangold, he still looks darn good IMO.

First, the Jets ran almost no 2 TE sets last year, unless in some short yardage packages. Ferguson was what I expected... not terrific, but held his own, but did fall off some as the season wore on. That was also expected, rookies are not used to playing 16 or 17 games. He has lived up to, and down to his scouting reports. Not a good run blocker, and can be beaten with a bull rush. I do expect him to improve, but he is far from being terrific at this point. Ferguson more than holds his own against speed rushers like Taylor.... it's the bull rushers that beat him, and again, that comes as no surprise, it's all there in his college scouting reports.... along with his struggles to keep weight on. Ten sacks is about 7 more than another LT that was drafted in the second round last year. Care to guess who that was? And again, his scouting report said he wasn't a strong run blocker.... he isn't. I thought he was very over rated last year, and so far he hasn't been the Ogden he was hyped to be by some pundits. He needs to improve significanly to be the all pro so many projected him to be. Mangold on the other hand, has been very good, and has far exceeded reasonable expectations. I'd still take Cutler at 4 over Ferguson.... but thats me. Or one of the many good RB's from last year's draft. Frankly, I don't ever expect Ferguson to be a pro bowler, but desperately hope I'm mistaken. He'll never be the bust Gallery is, but he'll fall short of being a pro bowler.

 

[noohpyt]

I believe that the Jets need to stand pat with there RBBC backfield and fill other larger holes in there secondary. They could also use another WR since Coles isn't getting younger.

Besides next year will be the year for them to fill there hole at RB since there will a solid corp of RB's that is deeper and better than any RB has to offer to them this year.

Just my two cents..

 

[Z-Dog]

Rumours spreading in the NY press say the Jets are interested a A Thomas, Ravens LB. Releasing Barlow and Teague created another 3.3 mil of cap space. That puts them somewhere between 25 and 31 mil under, depending on what source one chooses to believe. These reports name no sources, so I didn't bother to get the links. This is a signing I am likely to believe is a possibilty. Thomas turns 30 before the season starts, so he isn't ancient. He is familiar with playing OLB in a 3-4, and the Jets could then cut Barton, another rumour that has been circulating for some time now, as he's about 3.5 mil on the cap. That way, Thomas' hit on the cap would be minimized as well and I think Hobson would move inside. If this happens, the two OLBs will have the same last names... Thomas. Gotta be a good nickname out there for a tandem like that. Two guys capable of getting 25 sacks between them...

I think that there are 32 teams in the league who are interested in Thomas, now that the Ravens have declared that they won't franchise him. Signing Thomas would be a huge talent upgrade, but I don't think that the recent releases are related to any possible efforts to sign Thomas. The big problem with any of the premiere FAs this year is that lots of teams have tens of millions of dollars are cap space, so it could be a fierce battle to get him.

I agree that recent releases are unrelated, but cutting Barton's salary and replacing him with Thomas makes the cap hit much easier to absorb. That is why it makes a lot of sense to me, even in a bidding war. Being perhaps the biggest name on the Jets in NY would also bring him a ton of other $. Don't think his agent doesn't understand that too, as he gets a cut of those extras. Players with big names make an awful lot of "other" money in NY.

With so much available cap space I wonder if some teams will offer small signing bonuses and enormous first-year salaries to FAs.