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J. Palmer or Q. Johnston going forward (1 Viewer)
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Last year, Allen essentially missed weeks 2-10. Palmer in those games went:
34-385-1 in 7 games. This is 8.8ppg in half ppr
Please note, Mike Williams ALSO missed weeks 9-10 last year and Palmer when 8-106-0 and 3-44-0 in those two games which both missed.
Hes a JAG. Just like Josh Kelley.
34-385-1 in 7 games. This is 8.8ppg in half ppr
Please note, Mike Williams ALSO missed weeks 9-10 last year and Palmer when 8-106-0 and 3-44-0 in those two games which both missed.
Hes a JAG. Just like Josh Kelley.
Is this confirmed?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Johnston is a big body guy who plays small. Keenan and a healthy Ekeler soak up a lot of market share. Everett & the rest of the corps won’t see enough to be relevant IMO.
Johnston might be good on two years, I wouldn’t write him off.
Johnston might be good on two years, I wouldn’t write him off.
Yes. It was stated that he’ll be ready for training camp next season.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I would usually go with the rookie but has it been confirmed that this guy can actually catch the ball?
candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
As much as I would love to pine for QJ, that would mean that I am ignoring the facts so far this season.
Put me down as Palmer over QJ.
Put me down as Palmer over QJ.
Chaka
Footballguy
In games 1-7 while Allen was out Williams had 59 targets for 37-495-3, which is about 8.4 targets/game. In weeks 13-17 with both Allen & Williams playing Williams dropped to 6.6 targets/game.
Williams missed weeks 8-12 last season.
Palmer had 46 targets 31-372-2 in those 5 games.
It seems that Palmer fits Williams role better than Allen's. Not a surprise really as they play vastly different games.
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Where the hell are you getting these numbers from? They are completely wrong. Palmer had 1 TD weeks 1-10. He also most certainly did NOT have 495 yards receiving in games 1-7. You must be counting week 11 which was game 10 when he had a big game. Keenan Allen PLAYED in that game and went 5-94-0. Mike Williams ALSO played in that game. He missed weeks 9,10, 12, 13.
Complete misinformation in your post.
Chaka
Footballguy
I was referring to Williams. I edited my post to make that more clear.
Chaka
Footballguy
Williams missed week 8 & 9, tried to come back for week 10 and played 6 snaps, he then missed weeks 11-12.
During those 5 games Palmer went 31-372-2 on 46 targets.
WR Quentin Johnston, LAC
why would his field speed be higher than his drill speed? Because most NFL players aren’t track stars and some don’t master the technique of running out of the blocks properly. These one-off, point-in-time speeds are why many players drop in the drafts, as scouts are wedded to the metrics...
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So basically the only game nobody started him he did well. Sounds like Joshua Kelley 2.0.
Chaka
Footballguy
He certainly is a threat to Palmer's role in the longer term and possibly mid-term but his current snap share suggests the Chargers are easing him into the offense. Neither Palmer nor Johnson saw a bump in snap count when Williams went down both hovered around the 60% & 22% they have been seeing on the season.WR Quentin Johnston, LAC
why would his field speed be higher than his drill speed? Because most NFL players aren’t track stars and some don’t master the technique of running out of the blocks properly. These one-off, point-in-time speeds are why many players drop in the drafts, as scouts are wedded to the metrics...
Remember, he was pretty much a luxury pick for a team that was pretty stacked at the position with Allen & Williams starting Palmer as the #3, Ekeler out of the backfield. They also have two decent receiving options at TE, they aren't special but they are situationally important.
QJ will need to step up his game.
Chaka
Footballguy
??? You mean no one started Palmer in week 10? Maybe, not sure how that's relevant, though.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Is Gerald Everett a choice? Because that's who I'd choose tbh.
General Malaise
Poop Lord
I'll buy the next GREAT WR out of TCU right after I buy a left-handed smoke shifter. See Josh Doctson and Jalen Reagor.
Sign me up for Palmer.
Sign me up for Palmer.
dipandglide
Footballguy
Palmer is where my FAAB is going. He should be cheaper than Johnston and is a proven commodity.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
While these numbers are not great its not that bad either.
Unlike Josh Kelley.
Your conclushion doesnt match the data you cite in my view.
From what I saw in the Chargers game vs the Vikings Palmer was involved in the offense while Johnson I barely noticed.
I think Johnson got a target in the end zone but didnt catch it. Only time I can recall noticing him.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Well said buddy. Sums up my stance also.
I never said they were bad. Hes a decent flex. I wouldnt break the bank on a decent flex. Solid bye week filler.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Ok well I just felt comparing Palmer to Josh Kelley was an over statement. Thats all.
He isnt that bad.
They have the same first name.
Honestly that part was just a joke. Thought it was obvious.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Oh okay yep I missed that.
In my opinion Kelley isnt worth rostering bad.
Palmer might actually be useful.
jtd13
Footballguy
That's about as relevant to Johnston as Robert Meachum is to Palmer.
General Malaise
Poop Lord
1) Meachem has been retired for almost 10 years.
2) Meachem had 27 career TDs - Doctson and Reagor combined for 12. Neither will likely ever play another NFL snap again.
3) It's relevant for me. Maybe not for you. I'm certainly within my rights to post my thoughts on a message board devoted to opinions about the NFL and its players.
TCU and the Kendal Briles offensive system just doesn't produce good NFL WRs. When he was at Baylor, his WRs flamed out of the NFL too. Do what you will with that info.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
The fantasy community wants the answer to be QJ, but as far as this season goes, the answer is clearly Palmer.
ZADO
Footballguy
GreenNGold
Footballguy
Palmer could be the guy that blows up in the playoffs too.
Raging weasel
Footballguy
12 team league I bid $40( of $200) on Palmer but he went for $71. Got Johnston for $3 and KJ Osborn for $8
jtd13
Footballguy
I was just picking a random TN receiver, not saying good or bad. It's pretty dicey even helmet scouting with the same coaching staff, imo, much less a different coaching staff altogether. Of course, you are free to decide how you like guys with whatever standard you like, I just think that sounds closer to superstition than scouting.
jtd13
Footballguy
He could. I will pretty easily take the under on that. He was a favorite 3rd round rookie pick for me a couple years ago and I've been watching for signs of him becoming a player, and he's always just kind of not seized the opportunity when it's there. His counting stats have been fine when enough guys are injured in front of him, but I think he's looked pretty JAG-y.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I can see such a decision being closer in a dynasty format than redraft.
jtd13
Footballguy
They must lead the league in Joshua's
packdog
Footballguy
i prioritized QJ in waivers and had higher bids but ended up with more palmer. i'd imagine palmer may be more useful for now and QJ slowly usurps him as the season chugs along. plug in palmer if you need to fill a flex now. sit on QJ for a potential high value play when it matters most
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
One player has Herbert’s trust and has produced in the past when injuries have occurred. The other player is a new shiny toy who has averaged around 3 targets a game and has yet to break the 10 yard mark. It is early in the season and things can change, but I would bet on the former being more consistent and possibly FF relevant this season. I still think if they are serious about winning this season they need to add someone to the room.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
I'm not putting this out there to say people should be going with QJ over Palmer; rather just cause it feels like it's being overlooked. The chargers run a ton of 11 personnel, I know they ran it the 2nd most through the preseason and believe they are still top 5 in the league now through three weeks. QJs snap counts through the first three weeks were 27%, 15%, and 24%. We can likely glean this was for good reason and that Palmer is way ahead of him in the eyes of the coaching staff. However, these numbers are likely to double if not more. Can he do anything with the increased field presence is to be seen. But unless he fails miserably, I'd guess they'll be giving their rookie 1st round WR selection a lot of on the field training for the rest of this season.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Hmm top 5 for 11 personnel in the league?
Almost all teams run 11 personnel a lot, so I get your point here. Just not sure if the Chargers run it more than most teams.
I thought I saw quite a bit of 2 TE in their game vs the Vikings, but maybe Im wrong.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I looked up snap counts and yeah the Chargers have had Everett in on 56% Parham in on 50% Smartt (who is listed at about 220 lbs so light for a TE) in on 20%
3 WR is still frequent and Johnsons snaps should increase with Williams out of the lineup I think for sure, which is pinkstaplers point, I agree with that.
Its just a matter of how much. They do play multiple TE quite a bit as well.
The Vikings defense blitzes a ton so they may have used TE more in that game to help pick up the blitz than they will vs other defenses.
I can see Johnson outsnapping Parham but we have to see, and that might not be right away.
3 WR is still frequent and Johnsons snaps should increase with Williams out of the lineup I think for sure, which is pinkstaplers point, I agree with that.
Its just a matter of how much. They do play multiple TE quite a bit as well.
The Vikings defense blitzes a ton so they may have used TE more in that game to help pick up the blitz than they will vs other defenses.
I can see Johnson outsnapping Parham but we have to see, and that might not be right away.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Palmer for sure. QJ struggled in preseason and isn't there yet. Palmer is in 3rd year has flashed in the past and his 3rd round draft capital isn't JAG.
I also like Everett to pick up some more.
I also like Everett to pick up some more.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Everett would be my first pick as well over either WR. Then again I own him, so rose tinted glasses and all.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Agreed. I will say I remember Chase dropping everything in the preseason his first year and people starting to doubt if he can catch. No way am I comparing the two, just using the example as it can change quickly.
