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J Wells? (1 Viewer)
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
I've been wondering about him for months.
He performed well last year when called upon. He should get a job somewhere. RBs don't grow on trees.
He performed well last year when called upon. He should get a job somewhere. RBs don't grow on trees.
purestrength
Footballguy
No, we didn't miss it the first time. We just chose to ignore it because it's obviously incorrect.
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I don't understand some peoples love for this guy on this board. what has he ever done to make you guys think so highly of him? didnt he have one decent game last year where he got about 100 yards but only averaged like 3 yrds a carry? At best he would compete for the 3rd spot with A. Smith. I would be lying if I said i wasnt suprised he is not on someones roster, but that has to say something? I mean who elso is out there waiting to be signed at this point? Just about no one?
happy_donut
Footballguy
i think i agree with you, but what is this jibba-jab you speak?
T Man
Footballguy
Teams have waited this long, they will continue to wait and see what younger players they have that can provide skills close to that of Wells. They are cheaper and may prove to have greater upside.
Unless he has some strikes against him in the substance abuse program (and I have not heard that he does), he will likely sign during training camp for a team looking for more depth at RB.
Unless he has some strikes against him in the substance abuse program (and I have not heard that he does), he will likely sign during training camp for a team looking for more depth at RB.
Yes, his two best games, while good fantasy wise, weren't that good NFL wise. He had 59 carries for 173 yards in Weeks 15 and 16. So while that it 86.5 yards rushing per game, it is also only 2.9 ypc. Needing 28 carries to get 87 yards against Arizona isn't exactly lighting it up. The 2 TDs he had made that a good game.To put it in perspective, DD had 155 yards (just rushing) against Baltimore in Week 13 and 130+ yards against Tennesse in Week 14 in only 2 more carries than Wells in the next two weeks, so basically with the same OL, WRs, QB and coaching staff.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Wells had 4 games last season where he touched the ball 10 times or more.
In those 4 games he had 393 total yards (almost 100 a game) and 4 touchdowns.
That has value. Period.
In those 4 games he had 393 total yards (almost 100 a game) and 4 touchdowns.
That has value. Period.
Big Score
Footballguy
For all you guys bagging on Wells game against the Cards, you do realize they were the NFL's 10th ranked D for yards allowed & 16th for ypc @ 3.97 per rush attempt?
As for Dom the big stats he put up against Tenn, that was to be expected. Tenn had the NFL's 22nd ranked D for yards allowed & 25th for ypc @ 4.22 per rush attempt.
Now against Baltimore, Dom was impressive. He put up his numbers on the NFL's 9th ranked D for yards allowed & 8th for ypc @ 3.69 per rush attempt.
As for Dom the big stats he put up against Tenn, that was to be expected. Tenn had the NFL's 22nd ranked D for yards allowed & 25th for ypc @ 4.22 per rush attempt.
Now against Baltimore, Dom was impressive. He put up his numbers on the NFL's 9th ranked D for yards allowed & 8th for ypc @ 3.69 per rush attempt.
Value in FF does not equal anything in the NFL world. Nick Goings was great FF value in 2004, but no one is beating down any doors for him to be a starter and Carolina even added a 1st round RB.I have mentioned it in a couple threads that even though DD missed 5 games, you could have had the #6/7 overall RB if you had DD for 11 games and grabbed Wells as a really cheap handcuff.
I am not disputing the Houston RB situation as a good one in FF land. Believe me, I know that, but I think Antowain Smith in Houston last year given the same carries as Wells would have easily done as well. I also think Morency is a better backup than Wells now.
Point is that Wells has been a sub par RB over his 4 year career with a couple OK games. His 3.1 ypc average is 1.0 ypc less than DD, 0.9 less than Morency, and 0.8 less than Antowain Smith. The only guy that Wells looks better than is Hollings who had a 3.0 ypc average. I still see no reason why Houston would be better off with him, instead of a lineup of DD, Smith and Morency.
That is why I showed DD in Week 13 and 14 compared to Week 15 and 16 for Wells. At that point, Andre Johnson was healthy so the Offense for both was basically the same and the opponents for both are close SOS wise overall. That and just because they wanted to make the comparisons work for me
, DD had 61 carries and Wells had 59.I think those 4 weeks are really good to compare and it shows that DD is a good back when healthy and Wells was a good fill in, but not a starting quality RB. At this point, I can't see how anyone would say Wells is better than either Smith or Morency, so I don't see why Houston wouldn't have done what they did.By the way, I was looking at Sportsline and they had Tennessee 23rd (4.2 ypc), Jacksonville 12th (3.9), Arizona 15th (4.0) and Baltimore 8th (3.7). Anyway, all together, that is basically the same for 2 opponents for both DD and Wells.
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Who said acquiring Wells meant having him in Houston?He's a free agent.
The point is that Wells would be worth bringing to camp for a number of teams (Philly, Pitt, Mia, etc.)
T Man
Footballguy
But teams presumably know the upside they have with Wells - they don't with the rooks and young players they bring into camp. Plus they have the option of storing those players on the practice squad.Wells will get a call, but it will be later in trainning camp when a team identifies a need after injuries or seeing that the young players don't pan out.
If NO trades Bennet, I could see them picking up Wells on the cheap. I know they are not the same type runner, but with Bush, they really do not need another blazer.
I said Houston, because after being there for 4 years, I think that they are the most likely to want him back just because he has been there.I just don't think anyone else wants to spend time with a guy and a 3.1 ypc undistinguished career. Like I mentioned with Goings, there are a ton of guys who are backups that given the carries Wells got in relief last year, would have done as well as him.
Also, I don't see Pitt as a good fit. They have plenty of RBs now, all of whom are probably better than Wells. I don't know anything about Miami's situation outside of Brown, so I can't comment on the backups. Even Philly is probably fine with Westbrook, Moats and Mahe (not sure if he is still there).
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Something that hasn't been mentioned...
Well is a 252lb running back - it's useless to compare him to Domanick Davis since they're very different...everyone who keeps posting decrying Wells' 3.6 career ypc is missing the point. Nobody is saying that Wells is a starting NFL back, but he's a big, pounding RB who has performed adequately when given the chance to start AND is a good receiver out of the backfieldx. He could be more useful if used in certain situations than he ever was in Houston other than his spot starts when Davis was hurt.
The ypc that everyone is raving about is on par with Brandon Jacobs, TJ Duckett, and Jerome Bettis at the end of his career - I think we would all agree that all of these three players are worth a spot on an NFL roster.
He's an unspectacular player, sure, but he could definately be valuable in certain roles, and teams that could use a big RB like the Bettis-less Steelers and the Buckhatlered-Eagles is not an unrealistic landing place for him.
Well is a 252lb running back - it's useless to compare him to Domanick Davis since they're very different...everyone who keeps posting decrying Wells' 3.6 career ypc is missing the point. Nobody is saying that Wells is a starting NFL back, but he's a big, pounding RB who has performed adequately when given the chance to start AND is a good receiver out of the backfieldx. He could be more useful if used in certain situations than he ever was in Houston other than his spot starts when Davis was hurt.
The ypc that everyone is raving about is on par with Brandon Jacobs, TJ Duckett, and Jerome Bettis at the end of his career - I think we would all agree that all of these three players are worth a spot on an NFL roster.
He's an unspectacular player, sure, but he could definately be valuable in certain roles, and teams that could use a big RB like the Bettis-less Steelers and the Buckhatlered-Eagles is not an unrealistic landing place for him.
Even Bettis in the last 4 years averaged 3.5 ypc and he was the goaline/short yardage back. Also, Bettis and Duckett have career 3.9 ypc, much better than 3.1. Even though Brandon Jacobs ypc was very bad at 2.6 ypc, that was because he was the goaline/short yardage RB as indicated by his 38 carries and 7 TDs. 5 of those 7 TDs were 1 yard TDs, the other two were 3 and 5 yards. He also had 20 or so non-TD carries that were 2nd and 1 or 3rd and 1. Jacobs barely got the ball in non short yardage situations, yet his career ypc is closer to Wells' than Wells' is to Duckett or Bettis.
Wells has 10 rushing TDs in his career. Of those 10, 9 of those are in the games he was the starter and got anywhere from 13 to 28 carries. Again, Wells was not a short yardage/goaline RB. He just had the ypc of one.
As I said earlier, I really don't get why we are having this conversation. He should not be relevent to Fantasy Football, and at best ins a 3rd/4th string situational player in real life? Our time would be better spent talking about Vinnie Testeverde or Doug Flutie, thats just sad!
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purestrength
Footballguy
I just know that when I start Wells on my fantasy teams, I win probably 90 percent of those games. He's been a good-luck charm for me and I'd hate to see him without a real NFL team.
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