Jacksonville Lawyer buys Tebow ads.... (1 Viewer)

[B-Deep]

And it sucks for Timbo that he is about the best teammate you could ask for and handles every situation diplomatically and because of outside forces is seen as a distraction

All the guy has ever done is win, at every level

 

[FreeBaGeL]

So why aren't people calling on 11 other teams to sign Tebow in order to sell tickets?People get so hung up on the tarps. Even with the tarps, the capacity is right in the middle of NFL stadiums (around 67,000). They had two games where they untarped two sections last year.They averaged 7,500 more fans than the Dolphins and almost 10,000 more than the Bucs.But all you hear is the national media talk about is the Jags attendance problems.

The Dolphins are known for their fickle fans and poor attendance and are talking about moving the team. Not exactly the stick you want to be measuring yourself against.The sad thing is that 21st last year was actually good for the Jags. I expect it to be back in the range it has been (25-30) next year. The last two years they at least had a young QB to sell people on, now that people know he's not any good that's not going to work any more.

Tebow hurts your long-term chance of winning because some Tebowites are never satisfied. You can't just bring him in. They wouldn't stand for it if he didn't start. If he starts and stinks, you can't bench him because that just isn't fair. If he's benched, you can't cut him because that's just not fair either. They're set up for a last chance with Gabbert this year with a better o-line and maybe a couple mroe weapons. If he stinks, they get a shot at Clowney or whoever is the hot QB next year.

Of course you start him. You sign him to a 1 year deal and start him. If he goes 2-14 then you don't re-sign him and the complaints will be minimal. If he goes 8-8 then you have to think that maybe there's something to this, as that team has no business going 8-8.

Gabbert is as close as it gets to being a lost cause. Rolling Gabbert out there again this year is just a waste of a year at the QB position. You're writing yourself off to a bad season with poor attendance and you're not even finding anything out you didn't already know about your QB.

 

[kface]

And it sucks for Timbo that he is about the best teammate you could ask for and handles every situation diplomatically and because of outside forces is seen as a distraction

All the guy has ever done is win, at every level

Tebow is the guy that does all the relgious speaking egagements throughout the year...if he was interested he could calm it all down. Nobody wants the baggage for a back up qb

 

[kface]

I'll wager the jets attendance does not take a major tebow hit this year, and look what he brought them by never playing

NFL's Best Selling Jerseys Player Team 1. Robert Griffin III Redskins 2. Peyton Manning Broncos 3. Aaron Rodgers Packers 4. Eli Manning Giants 5. Tom Brady Patriots 6. Andrew Luck Colts 7. Victor Cruz Giants 8. Tim Tebow Jets 9. Troy Polamalu Steelers 10. Patrick Willis 49ersSource: NFLshop.com

#### it seems like the guy is free money

sure some writers may bash you, so what, it gets your team nationally discussed at least

This is all spoken like a poor person desperate for money. He has brough in a new regime that has decided they want to start fresh and build from the ground up and see what they have currenlty. They aren't interested in making marginally more money by bringing the circus to town. That's their choice and its a perfectly good choice. They would have a lot of people that agree with them.

Secondly, the fact that his jersey is on that list tells you how much of a distraction him and his fans are. Its a no win situation...he stinks as a qb and yet he comes onto the team and is the centre of all the attention and the legitimate players and stars get ignored...

I always thought Sanchez stunk but everyone said the same thing last year that bringing tebow into NYJ is going to destroy him and sure enough he hit rock bottom. If the jags have any faith in BG then they have to give him that shot and it appears that is what they have decided. Again a perfectly rational decision.

 

[ducktales]

And it sucks for Timbo that he is about the best teammate you could ask for and handles every situation diplomatically and because of outside forces is seen as a distraction

All the guy has ever done is win, at every level

Tebow is the guy that does all the relgious speaking egagements throughout the year...if he was interested he could calm it all down. Nobody wants the baggage for a back up qb

Yeah, he should "calm it all down" because the media hates religious people, and brainwashes simple people like you into thinking its a bad thing.

 

[cstu]

And it sucks for Timbo that he is about the best teammate you could ask for and handles every situation diplomatically and because of outside forces is seen as a distraction

All the guy has ever done is win, at every level

Tebow is the guy that does all the relgious speaking egagements throughout the year...if he was interested he could calm it all down. Nobody wants the baggage for a back up qb

It's too bad that he can't be himself without becoming a circus, but that's how it is. He allowed himself to become a religious icon and has to deal with the negatives as well as the positives that come with it.

 

[kface]

And it sucks for Timbo that he is about the best teammate you could ask for and handles every situation diplomatically and because of outside forces is seen as a distraction

All the guy has ever done is win, at every level

Tebow is the guy that does all the relgious speaking egagements throughout the year...if he was interested he could calm it all down. Nobody wants the baggage for a back up qb

Yeah, he should "calm it all down" because the media hates religious people, and brainwashes simple people like you into thinking its a bad thing.

Yes because that's what i was getting at...moron.

 

[kface]

And it sucks for Timbo that he is about the best teammate you could ask for and handles every situation diplomatically and because of outside forces is seen as a distraction

All the guy has ever done is win, at every level

Tebow is the guy that does all the relgious speaking egagements throughout the year...if he was interested he could calm it all down. Nobody wants the baggage for a back up qb

It's too bad that he can't be himself without becoming a circus, but that's how it is. He allowed himself to become a religious icon and has to deal with the negatives as well as the positives that come with it.

Exactly...he should have just picked a career when he was drafted...instead he chose two and that has hurt him.

 

[ducktales]

And it sucks for Timbo that he is about the best teammate you could ask for and handles every situation diplomatically and because of outside forces is seen as a distraction

All the guy has ever done is win, at every level

Tebow is the guy that does all the relgious speaking egagements throughout the year...if he was interested he could calm it all down. Nobody wants the baggage for a back up qb

Yeah, he should "calm it all down" because the media hates religious people, and brainwashes simple people like you into thinking its a bad thing.

Yes because that's what i was getting at...moron.

Also, if tebow was gay every team would want him, and you wouldnt think he was a distraction because the media controls your simple perception.

 

[kface]

And it sucks for Timbo that he is about the best teammate you could ask for and handles every situation diplomatically and because of outside forces is seen as a distraction

All the guy has ever done is win, at every level

Tebow is the guy that does all the relgious speaking egagements throughout the year...if he was interested he could calm it all down. Nobody wants the baggage for a back up qb

Yeah, he should "calm it all down" because the media hates religious people, and brainwashes simple people like you into thinking its a bad thing.

Yes because that's what i was getting at...moron.

Also, if tebow was gay every team would want him, and you wouldnt think he was a distraction because the media controls your simple perception.

Pleaes go away...this was a good discussion until you showed up

 

[kurtrudder]

He just needs to agree to the position change already, and have an under the table agreement of some sort to never speak of wanting to play QB and his future and passion is now at TE or FB.Add a great leadership presence to the locker room, able to get him on the field for a handful of plays a game (as a TE or FB/H-Back), get the crowd hyped and sell some tickets.

I don't believe this can just be assumed.

What do you think, having the whole Tebow circus at every turn, what affect does that have on the locker room? I cannot see it as a positive in any way. It would be a massive distraction. Egos are a given in any locker room and when a 2nd stringer is getting the attention due a HOF'er, that is not going to help a locker room.

Personally, I would love to see him go to the Jags, given the job and once and for all this story can be played out. If he crashes and burns, the Jags can have their 1.01 in 2014 and then this whole thing can be put to bed. But there are too many issues here. Firstly you need to build an option offense around him, anything less and his supporters will not lay down and die, they will still have excuses. Can Jacksonville be expected to make this kind of commitment with the season 3 months away? He is not Cam Newton, he is not RG3, so No, of course Jacksonville cannot make this commitment.

You bring him in to sell a few tickets and this franchise and locker room becomes a train wreck

 

[kurtrudder]

And it sucks for Timbo that he is about the best teammate you could ask for and handles every situation diplomatically and because of outside forces is seen as a distraction

All the guy has ever done is win, at every level

Does Tebow practice winning more than the other QB's? He would be better off to practice throwing the ball effectively.

 

[Faust]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/...ns-youve-run-your-favorite-son-out-of-the-nfl

Congratulations, Tebow fans: You've run your favorite son out of the NFL

 

[QuizGuy66]

-QG

 

[Christo]

Not really shocking that a losign team in the smallest metro market is last in merchandise sales.

Again, a winning team drives merchandise sales. Merchandise sales is why he opted for the London gig. Jaguars have exclusive marketing in London.

It doesn't help that they have one of the worst color schemes.

 

[Two Deep]

Here we go again........Tebow time of year...... I think he sucks but have to agree I would rather have him than Gabbert. As others have said pick up Tebow, improve your fan base, make some money and draft and groom another QB. What is the worst that is going to happen you lose for a couple of more years (you're going to lose with Gabbert or Henne)....At least with Tebow you'll lose with fans in the seats.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

John Morgan of "Morgan & Morgan - For the People" is such a publicity hound. Finally took his fat chubby face off the billboards and put Charlie Crist on them. Wow, the guy has some influence! Gotta give him that. This is the same John Morgan who went on the radio locally and said he "had the resources" to change the marijuana laws by himself. He's a big bag of air and if I'm ever in a car wreck, I'd just as soon call 411-pain than Morgan & Morgan. Their commercials at least entertain me.

 

[JaxBill]

http://evenifhesreleased.com/

 

[Raiderfan32904]

http://evenifhesreleased.com/

Not a real Jags fan, but I endorsed this.

 

[Two Deep]

John Morgan of "Morgan & Morgan - For the People" is such a publicity hound. Finally took his fat chubby face off the billboards and put Charlie Crist on them. Wow, the guy has some influence! Gotta give him that. This is the same John Morgan who went on the radio locally and said he "had the resources" to change the marijuana laws by himself. He's a big bag of air and if I'm ever in a car wreck, I'd just as soon call 411-pain than Morgan & Morgan. Their commercials at least entertain me.

Everytime I hear him I picture Alfred Hitchcock...I think he sounds very similar.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

HE. CAN'T. PLAY.

I can't wait for this crap to go away. Hopefully he'll retire or something so the madness can end, but I doubt that he will...

 

[B-Deep]

it is not just religous zealots that like tebow

and again, if he loses you are not going to have a problem cutting him.

He was not the problem with the jets, that circus started WAY before he got there, and is continuing after.

The problem with Tebow only comes if he wins and you still do not want him, or if you bench him and your QB sucks and you refuse to try him.

And news flash, given where Tebow is from and where he played ball, how bad the Jags are and how bad their QBs have looked, and the overlap of Tebow fans and Jags fans they are smack dab in the Tebow situation anyway.

Why not profit from it?

unless Blaine Gabbert is going to win championships and remove the tarps Tebow does nothing to stop you from your future plans (unless as I have said many times he wins and in spite of that you want him gone)

That is really the kicker, they do not want him because they are afraid he will win

Jags fans, if Tebow would get you a 9-7 wildcard berth this season, and you know that up front, would you want him? Assume 3-13 without. That's the deal, do you sign on?

 

[B-Deep]

HE. CAN'T. PLAY.I can't wait for this crap to go away. Hopefully he'll retire or something so the madness can end, but I doubt that he will...

then cut him after the season



i don't think he can make the jags good. I'd imagine he'd go 3-13 and his luster would fade for many

but they don't want to risk him winning

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Jags fans, if Tebow would get you a 9-7 wildcard berth this season, and you know that up front, would you want him? Assume 3-13 without. That's the deal, do you sign on?

Most Jags fans are smart enough to know that Tebow won't bring a 9-7 record to Jacksonville. They have a new GM who is trying to clean house of the old GM's bitter failures. He came out and said no, not in any way would they consider him. How would he look if the owner were to override him in the first few months on the job? I think he'd consider quitting his position. This would be a sign that the owner is more interested in letting the fanbase be the armchair GM's than the man he appointed. It would set back the franchise even more than they already are. A new depth of dysfunction. There is no upside to signing Tebow.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

A source tells Yahoo Sports that Patriots coach Bill Belichick "hates" Tim Tebow as a player.
Even though Patriots OC Josh McDaniels is the one that drafted Tebow 25th overall while in Denver, a reunion isn't happening. But flawed mechanics aren't the only reason Tebow has zero NFL suitors right now. "He seems like a great guy to have on a team, and I'd be tempted to bring him in as our backup," one NFC head coach told Yahoo. "But it's just not worth dealing with all the stuff that comes with it." Tebowmania strikes again.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Of course Belicheck hates Tebow. There are enough Tebowites out there who will call for Tebow when Tom friggin Brady has just one bad game. Who wants an end-of-the-bench guy causing that kind of distraction? Tebowites can't be reasoned with though. Not worth trying to explain it to them.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

HE. CAN'T. PLAY.I can't wait for this crap to go away. Hopefully he'll retire or something so the madness can end, but I doubt that he will...

then cut him after the season i don't think he can make the jags good. I'd imagine he'd go 3-13 and his luster would fade for many but they don't want to risk him winning

No, they don't want to completely give up on the guy they drafted in the 1st just two years ago, even if it looks 95% certain that he sucks. And they don't want to waste a year installing a college offense and hindering the development of the young WRs and the rest of the offense in an actual NFL passing team. And they want the focus in the locker-room to be on developing into an actual solid NFL football team as opposed to a cheap publicity stunt. Tebow brings absolutely nothing to the table outside of jersey sales, would be a disaster as a backup, and would set the team back a year as a starter. He's a HUGE detriment to any franchise outside of a winning team with an unassailable franchise QB already in place. And even to those teams he brings zero to the table on the actual football field, and a media circus off it. I'll be stunned if he gets another job in the NFL.

 

[B-Deep]

The problem is Tebowites will always give him excuses. If he were to start and go 5-11. They'd so OMG look what he did with such a horrible defense/offensive line/ receivers/ running game etc. So then next year youd be forced to pass on a QB at the 5-10 range again and MAYBE grab a QB later in the draft The odds are you won't find a true franchise QB and god forbid you start a 4th round pick over Tebow! Tebowites would scream bloody murder.

no one thought he could go 7-4 with the broncos either

if 5-11 is not good enough cut him

the tebowites are already pissed you did not sign him, they'll be pissed when you cut him so what?

people make it sound like he cannot win, although there is no historical evidence to suport that, and make it sound like he leaves teams in shambles, and there is no evidence to support that. The Jets are not any more of a mess than they were before Tebow, their mess has been made by Rex and the former GM.

suddenly because it is tebow there's some grand feeling that once he is on your team your hands are tied and the will of the tebow nation must guide your actions, that's ludicrous. The fans you lose will be the fans you gained for signing him. The net result is you had a short term boost of bandwagon tebow fans.

UNLESS he is a winner and your team dumps him and goes back to losing.

No one will be clamoring for Tebow in Denver or NYJ this season. Denver is winning without him and ne never won for the jets and they'll be as bad without him as with him

 

[B-Deep]

HE. CAN'T. PLAY.I can't wait for this crap to go away. Hopefully he'll retire or something so the madness can end, but I doubt that he will...

then cut him after the season i don't think he can make the jags good. I'd imagine he'd go 3-13 and his luster would fade for many but they don't want to risk him winning

No, they don't want to completely give up on the guy they drafted in the 1st just two years ago, even if it looks 95% certain that he sucks. And they don't want to waste a year installing a college offense and hindering the development of the young WRs and the rest of the offense in an actual NFL passing team. And they want the focus in the locker-room to be on developing into an actual solid NFL football team as opposed to a cheap publicity stunt. Tebow brings absolutely nothing to the table outside of jersey sales, would be a disaster as a backup, and would set the team back a year as a starter. He's a HUGE detriment to any franchise outside of a winning team with an unassailable franchise QB already in place. And even to those teams he brings zero to the table on the actual football field, and a media circus off it. I'll be stunned if he gets another job in the NFL.

Denver's WRs have yet to recover from the Tebow era....

so much misinformation

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Hypothetical:

What if you knew that bring Tebow in would increase your attendance from 21st to like 15th. Same for merchandise...from the bottom 2 or 3 to say 20th and won like 4-5 games...

Is he still not worth it even if its for one season?

 

[B-Deep]

Jags fans, if Tebow would get you a 9-7 wildcard berth this season, and you know that up front, would you want him? Assume 3-13 without. That's the deal, do you sign on?

Most Jags fans are smart enough to know that Tebow won't bring a 9-7 record to Jacksonville. They have a new GM who is trying to clean house of the old GM's bitter failures. He came out and said no, not in any way would they consider him. How would he look if the owner were to override him in the first few months on the job? I think he'd consider quitting his position. This would be a sign that the owner is more interested in letting the fanbase be the armchair GM's than the man he appointed. It would set back the franchise even more than they already are. A new depth of dysfunction. There is no upside to signing Tebow.

That is a reasonable point

of course it does not mean bringing Tebow in would have been a bad idea, it only means the GM shut the door on it

if the jags suck and Gabbert sucks the Tebow clamor will grow. Whatever circus people imagine the jags have avoided they'll be in the middle of one anyway.

 

[kface]

Hypothetical:

What if you knew that bring Tebow in would increase your attendance from 21st to like 15th. Same for merchandise...from the bottom 2 or 3 to say 20th and won like 4-5 games...

Is he still not worth it even if its for one season?

Spoken like a poor person. As I said earlier, he has decided to let the new regime create the frest start and the team they want hopefully building a franchise for the coming decade instead of bringing the circus to town for one year. He doesn't need anymore money and maybe he realizes that building a team for the long haul is more cost effective than setting the team back one year.

 

[kface]

Jags fans, if Tebow would get you a 9-7 wildcard berth this season, and you know that up front, would you want him? Assume 3-13 without. That's the deal, do you sign on?

Most Jags fans are smart enough to know that Tebow won't bring a 9-7 record to Jacksonville. They have a new GM who is trying to clean house of the old GM's bitter failures. He came out and said no, not in any way would they consider him. How would he look if the owner were to override him in the first few months on the job? I think he'd consider quitting his position. This would be a sign that the owner is more interested in letting the fanbase be the armchair GM's than the man he appointed. It would set back the franchise even more than they already are. A new depth of dysfunction. There is no upside to signing Tebow.

That is a reasonable point

of course it does not mean bringing Tebow in would have been a bad idea, it only means the GM shut the door on it

if the jags suck and Gabbert sucks the Tebow clamor will grow. Whatever circus people imagine the jags have avoided they'll be in the middle of one anyway.

At least that way they will just be muttering on the side....they won't be shattering the confidence of every other qb on the team and making legitimate players feel like they are the bench warmers.

 

[B-Deep]

Hypothetical:

What if you knew that bring Tebow in would increase your attendance from 21st to like 15th. Same for merchandise...from the bottom 2 or 3 to say 20th and won like 4-5 games...

Is he still not worth it even if its for one season?

Spoken like a poor person. As I said earlier, he has decided to let the new regime create the frest start and the team they want hopefully building a franchise for the coming decade instead of bringing the circus to town for one year. He doesn't need anymore money and maybe he realizes that building a team for the long haul is more cost effective than setting the team back one year.

setting them back

an just think when denver gets over the tebow setback how AWESOME they will be

and i imagine the jets are going to go winless for a few seasons recovering from Tebow!

FACT

Tebow has won as many playoff games in his short tenure as the Jags have in the last decade.

Enjoy the tarps for the next decade

 

[B-Deep]

Jags fans, if Tebow would get you a 9-7 wildcard berth this season, and you know that up front, would you want him? Assume 3-13 without. That's the deal, do you sign on?

Most Jags fans are smart enough to know that Tebow won't bring a 9-7 record to Jacksonville. They have a new GM who is trying to clean house of the old GM's bitter failures. He came out and said no, not in any way would they consider him. How would he look if the owner were to override him in the first few months on the job? I think he'd consider quitting his position. This would be a sign that the owner is more interested in letting the fanbase be the armchair GM's than the man he appointed. It would set back the franchise even more than they already are. A new depth of dysfunction. There is no upside to signing Tebow.

That is a reasonable point

of course it does not mean bringing Tebow in would have been a bad idea, it only means the GM shut the door on it

if the jags suck and Gabbert sucks the Tebow clamor will grow. Whatever circus people imagine the jags have avoided they'll be in the middle of one anyway.

At least that way they will just be muttering on the side....they won't be shattering the confidence of every other qb on the team and making legitimate players feel like they are the bench warmers.

if Gabbert has confidence I'd be concerned about his intelligence

 

[kface]

Hypothetical:

What if you knew that bring Tebow in would increase your attendance from 21st to like 15th. Same for merchandise...from the bottom 2 or 3 to say 20th and won like 4-5 games...

Is he still not worth it even if its for one season?

Spoken like a poor person. As I said earlier, he has decided to let the new regime create the frest start and the team they want hopefully building a franchise for the coming decade instead of bringing the circus to town for one year. He doesn't need anymore money and maybe he realizes that building a team for the long haul is more cost effective than setting the team back one year.

setting them back

an just think when denver gets over the tebow setback how AWESOME they will be

and i imagine the jets are going to go winless for a few seasons recovering from Tebow!

FACT

Tebow has won as many playoff games in his short tenure as the Jags have in the last decade.

Enjoy the tarps for the next decade

You tebowites are funny. The guy caught a wave in denver with an incredible defense and manage to get some wins in what was probably some of the worst qb play in the history of football (while winning). Then denver signed peyton manning

Gabbert is 2 years removed from the 1st round. Bringing Tebow in will absolutely shatter the guy...he won't last one incomplete pass before everyone is booing him.

There is nothing to be gained for the jags minus one year of marginal increases in jersey sales and such....he's rich, he doesn't need one year....he needs to let his GMs build a long term team. Everyone can see that Tebow is a terrible qb and is not a long term solution to any franchise. But I digress because the tebowites will never see that...and that's exactly why you don't put him on your team unless he is backing up brady.

 

[kface]

Jags fans, if Tebow would get you a 9-7 wildcard berth this season, and you know that up front, would you want him? Assume 3-13 without. That's the deal, do you sign on?

Most Jags fans are smart enough to know that Tebow won't bring a 9-7 record to Jacksonville. They have a new GM who is trying to clean house of the old GM's bitter failures. He came out and said no, not in any way would they consider him. How would he look if the owner were to override him in the first few months on the job? I think he'd consider quitting his position. This would be a sign that the owner is more interested in letting the fanbase be the armchair GM's than the man he appointed. It would set back the franchise even more than they already are. A new depth of dysfunction. There is no upside to signing Tebow.

That is a reasonable point

of course it does not mean bringing Tebow in would have been a bad idea, it only means the GM shut the door on it

if the jags suck and Gabbert sucks the Tebow clamor will grow. Whatever circus people imagine the jags have avoided they'll be in the middle of one anyway.

At least that way they will just be muttering on the side....they won't be shattering the confidence of every other qb on the team and making legitimate players feel like they are the bench warmers.

if Gabbert has confidence I'd be concerned about his intelligence

One of the reasons you will never be a GM

Look at a guy like Alex Smith it took him 5 years to become a legit qb....

 

[B-Deep]

Jags fans, if Tebow would get you a 9-7 wildcard berth this season, and you know that up front, would you want him? Assume 3-13 without. That's the deal, do you sign on?

Most Jags fans are smart enough to know that Tebow won't bring a 9-7 record to Jacksonville. They have a new GM who is trying to clean house of the old GM's bitter failures. He came out and said no, not in any way would they consider him. How would he look if the owner were to override him in the first few months on the job? I think he'd consider quitting his position. This would be a sign that the owner is more interested in letting the fanbase be the armchair GM's than the man he appointed. It would set back the franchise even more than they already are. A new depth of dysfunction. There is no upside to signing Tebow.

That is a reasonable point

of course it does not mean bringing Tebow in would have been a bad idea, it only means the GM shut the door on it

if the jags suck and Gabbert sucks the Tebow clamor will grow. Whatever circus people imagine the jags have avoided they'll be in the middle of one anyway.

At least that way they will just be muttering on the side....they won't be shattering the confidence of every other qb on the team and making legitimate players feel like they are the bench warmers.

if Gabbert has confidence I'd be concerned about his intelligence

One of the reasons you will never be a GM

Look at a guy like Alex Smith it took him 5 years to become a legit qb....

so they should give gabbert 3-4 more?

i thought the plan was draft an elite QB next season

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Does bringing more fans to games help them win?

 

[kface]

Jags fans, if Tebow would get you a 9-7 wildcard berth this season, and you know that up front, would you want him? Assume 3-13 without. That's the deal, do you sign on?

Most Jags fans are smart enough to know that Tebow won't bring a 9-7 record to Jacksonville. They have a new GM who is trying to clean house of the old GM's bitter failures. He came out and said no, not in any way would they consider him. How would he look if the owner were to override him in the first few months on the job? I think he'd consider quitting his position. This would be a sign that the owner is more interested in letting the fanbase be the armchair GM's than the man he appointed. It would set back the franchise even more than they already are. A new depth of dysfunction. There is no upside to signing Tebow.

That is a reasonable point

of course it does not mean bringing Tebow in would have been a bad idea, it only means the GM shut the door on it

if the jags suck and Gabbert sucks the Tebow clamor will grow. Whatever circus people imagine the jags have avoided they'll be in the middle of one anyway.

At least that way they will just be muttering on the side....they won't be shattering the confidence of every other qb on the team and making legitimate players feel like they are the bench warmers.

if Gabbert has confidence I'd be concerned about his intelligence

One of the reasons you will never be a GM

Look at a guy like Alex Smith it took him 5 years to become a legit qb....

so they should give gabbert 3-4 more?

i thought the plan was draft an elite QB next season

They should give him one more...I think even the common nfl fan can see that the jags had a terrible team from top to bottom...he was without MJD last year the teams only threat. I think he deserves one last chance for sure....

 

[B-Deep]

Hypothetical:

What if you knew that bring Tebow in would increase your attendance from 21st to like 15th. Same for merchandise...from the bottom 2 or 3 to say 20th and won like 4-5 games...

Is he still not worth it even if its for one season?

Spoken like a poor person. As I said earlier, he has decided to let the new regime create the frest start and the team they want hopefully building a franchise for the coming decade instead of bringing the circus to town for one year. He doesn't need anymore money and maybe he realizes that building a team for the long haul is more cost effective than setting the team back one year.

setting them back

an just think when denver gets over the tebow setback how AWESOME they will be

and i imagine the jets are going to go winless for a few seasons recovering from Tebow!

FACT

Tebow has won as many playoff games in his short tenure as the Jags have in the last decade.

Enjoy the tarps for the next decade

You tebowites are funny. The guy caught a wave in denver with an incredible defense and manage to get some wins in what was probably some of the worst qb play in the history of football (while winning). Then denver signed peyton manning

Gabbert is 2 years removed from the 1st round. Bringing Tebow in will absolutely shatter the guy...he won't last one incomplete pass before everyone is booing him.

There is nothing to be gained for the jags minus one year of marginal increases in jersey sales and such....he's rich, he doesn't need one year....he needs to let his GMs build a long term team. Everyone can see that Tebow is a terrible qb and is not a long term solution to any franchise. But I digress because the tebowites will never see that...and that's exactly why you don't put him on your team unless he is backing up brady.

more misinformation

They ranked 24th defense in points

20th in yards

"incredible" defense

everyone can see the same about Gabbert



lose 3 years on him rather than one on tebow if you want

 

[FreeBaGeL]

You tebowites are funny. The guy caught a wave in denver with an incredible defense

Stop saying this. Denver's defense ranked 26th in the NFL regular season that year. 24th if you remove the games where Orton started.

Denver also put up 29 points against Pitt in that playoff game, the second highest total Pitt allowed all year. The Denver defense gave up 23 points in that game. Pitt was 7-0 when scoring that many points on the season (9-1 when scoring 17+).

34ppg allowed in the playoffs.

 

[B-Deep]

You tebowites are funny. The guy caught a wave in denver with an incredible defense

Stop saying this. Denver's defense ranked 26th in the NFL regular season that year. 24th if you remove the games where Orton started.

Denver also put up 29 points against Pitt in that playoff game, the second highest total Pitt allowed all year. The Denver defense gave up 23 points in that game. Pitt was 7-0 when scoring that many points on the season (9-1 when scoring 17+).

34ppg allowed in the playoffs.

the mythology surrounding tebow is not by his fans

they say he cannot win, they say he cannot play QB, they say he destroys teams, they say the defense carried him, they say he will set ou back

none of it has any historical background. The facts are counter to all of that.

 

[Warrior]

For those of you saying Khan and the Jags management "wants to build a winning team long term", get real. I want a Dodge Viper but that's not happening. The Jags will probably be awful for a long time. At least Tebow would breathe some life into that failed franchise short-term.

 

[jek187]

Not really interested in getting into the Tebow debate on one side or the other, but just thought I'd stop in to point out that revenue from jersey sales is shared evenly across all NFL teams. So the only thing financially that Tebow brings to the table in Jacksonville is a potential boost in ticket/luxury box revenue. While a crapload of Tebow Jax jerseys would definitely be sold, that wouldn't materially help out the Jags bottom line.

 

[kface]

Hypothetical:

What if you knew that bring Tebow in would increase your attendance from 21st to like 15th. Same for merchandise...from the bottom 2 or 3 to say 20th and won like 4-5 games...

Is he still not worth it even if its for one season?

Spoken like a poor person. As I said earlier, he has decided to let the new regime create the frest start and the team they want hopefully building a franchise for the coming decade instead of bringing the circus to town for one year. He doesn't need anymore money and maybe he realizes that building a team for the long haul is more cost effective than setting the team back one year.

setting them back

an just think when denver gets over the tebow setback how AWESOME they will be

and i imagine the jets are going to go winless for a few seasons recovering from Tebow!

FACT

Tebow has won as many playoff games in his short tenure as the Jags have in the last decade.

Enjoy the tarps for the next decade

You tebowites are funny. The guy caught a wave in denver with an incredible defense and manage to get some wins in what was probably some of the worst qb play in the history of football (while winning). Then denver signed peyton manning

Gabbert is 2 years removed from the 1st round. Bringing Tebow in will absolutely shatter the guy...he won't last one incomplete pass before everyone is booing him.

There is nothing to be gained for the jags minus one year of marginal increases in jersey sales and such....he's rich, he doesn't need one year....he needs to let his GMs build a long term team. Everyone can see that Tebow is a terrible qb and is not a long term solution to any franchise. But I digress because the tebowites will never see that...and that's exactly why you don't put him on your team unless he is backing up brady.

more misinformation

They ranked 24th defense in points

20th in yards

"incredible" defense

everyone can see the same about Gabbert



lose 3 years on him rather than one on tebow if you want

You like to cherry pick stats don't you...hear are the games he won

10 November 13 11:00 a.m. MST at Kansas City Chiefs W 17–10 4–5 Arrowhead Stadium CBS Recap 11 November 17 6:20 p.m. MST New York Jets W 17–13 5–5 Sports Authority Field at Mile High NFLNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Denver_Broncos_season#endnote_KWGNRecap 12 November 27 2:15 p.m. MST at San Diego Chargers W 16–13 (OT) 6–5 Qualcomm Stadium CBS Recap 13 December 4 11:00 a.m. MST[87] at Minnesota Vikings W 35–32 7–5 Mall of America Field at the

Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome Fox[87]Recap 14 December 11 2:05 p.m. MST Chicago Bears W 13–10 (OT) 8–5 Sports Authority Field at Mile High Fox Recap 15 December 18 2:15 p.m. MST New England Patriots L 23–41 8–6 Sports Authority Field at Mile High CBS Recap 16 December 24 11:00 a.m. MST at Buffalo Bills L 14–40 8–7 Ralph Wilson Stadium CBS Recap 17 January 1, 2012 2:15 p.m. MST Kansas City Chiefs L 3–7 8–8 Sports Authority Field at Mile High

So in the game he played the other teams were held to 10 pts, 13 pts, 13 pts, 10 pts and then the one game against the vikes that turned into a shootout...i would say that is pretty dang good defense...

But I digress, I have no dog in this fight. My only arguement is that its a perfectly reasonable position for the jags to not want to sign him for a year. There are a lot of reasons not too...

 

[FreeBaGeL]

killface, on 09 May 2013 - 12:49, said:

B-Deep, on 09 May 2013 - 12:27, said:

more misinformation

They ranked 24th defense in points

20th in yards

"incredible" defense

everyone can see the same about Gabbert



lose 3 years on him rather than one on tebow if you want

You like to cherry pick stats don't you...hear are the games he won10 November 13 11:00 a.m. MST at Kansas City Chiefs W 17–10 4–5 Arrowhead Stadium CBS Recap 11 November 17 6:20 p.m. MST New York Jets W 17–13 5–5 Sports Authority Field at Mile High NFLNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Denver_Broncos_season#endnote_KWGNRecap 12 November 27 2:15 p.m. MST at San Diego Chargers W 16–13 (OT) 6–5 Qualcomm Stadium CBS Recap 13 December 4 11:00 a.m. MST[87] at Minnesota Vikings W 35–32 7–5 Mall of America Field at the

Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome Fox[87]Recap 14 December 11 2:05 p.m. MST Chicago Bears W 13–10 (OT) 8–5 Sports Authority Field at Mile High Fox Recap 15 December 18 2:15 p.m. MST New England Patriots L 23–41 8–6 Sports Authority Field at Mile High CBS Recap 16 December 24 11:00 a.m. MST at Buffalo Bills L 14–40 8–7 Ralph Wilson Stadium CBS Recap 17 January 1, 2012 2:15 p.m. MST Kansas City Chiefs L 3–7 8–8 Sports Authority Field at Mile High

So in the game he played the other teams were held to 10 pts, 13 pts, 13 pts, 10 pts and then the one game against the vikes that turned into a shootout...i would say that is pretty dang good defense...

If there were ever a time for this icon it is now. So you want to call someone out for cherry picking stats when using total team defense, and instead use your small subset of games which supposedly uses wins but for some odd reason leaves out the Oakland and Pittsburgh wins where they gave up 24 and 23 points. I'm not sure what the reasoning was in leaving those games out, other than, of course, it hurts your argument.

Every QB's points against goes down when removing the losses. That's not unique. You want to discredit Tebow for the wins where the defense gave up 13 points or fewer but still credit him for the losses where the defense gave up a massive 40+. That happened four times by the way.

Why don't you start removing the wins of QBs in games where the opponent scored 13 or fewer points and see how many have a decent looking W/L record leftover, outside of maybe Brady/Rogers/Brees.

The bottom line here is that even if we take your personally hand-selected and cherry picked approach and look at only the wins, Denver gave up 17.5 points per game in their wins with Tebow playing QB. That is about on par with Eli Manning and is pretty middle of the road. By comparison, Ben Roethlisberger's defenses typically allow around 11ppg in his wins. Russell Wilson's allowed 12ppg in his wins last year. Alex Smith's allowed 8ppg in his.

There are plenty of reasons to pick apart Tebow. However, this ridiculous notion that he had some great defense is nothing more than proof that the bandwagon Tebow haters are every bit as zealoutous in seeing stuff that's not there as the bandwagon Tebow lovers are in doing the same for the opposite ends.

 

[kface]

killface, on 09 May 2013 - 12:49, said:

B-Deep, on 09 May 2013 - 12:27, said:

more misinformation

They ranked 24th defense in points

20th in yards

"incredible" defense

everyone can see the same about Gabbert



lose 3 years on him rather than one on tebow if you want

You like to cherry pick stats don't you...hear are the games he won10 November 13 11:00 a.m. MST at Kansas City Chiefs W 17–10 4–5 Arrowhead Stadium CBS Recap 11 November 17 6:20 p.m. MST New York Jets W 17–13 5–5 Sports Authority Field at Mile High NFLNRecap 12 November 27 2:15 p.m. MST at San Diego Chargers W 16–13 (OT) 6–5 Qualcomm Stadium CBS Recap 13 December 4 11:00 a.m. MST[87] at Minnesota Vikings W 35–32 7–5 Mall of America Field at the

Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome Fox[87]Recap 14 December 11 2:05 p.m. MST Chicago Bears W 13–10 (OT) 8–5 Sports Authority Field at Mile High Fox Recap 15 December 18 2:15 p.m. MST New England Patriots L 23–41 8–6 Sports Authority Field at Mile High CBS Recap 16 December 24 11:00 a.m. MST at Buffalo Bills L 14–40 8–7 Ralph Wilson Stadium CBS Recap 17 January 1, 2012 2:15 p.m. MST Kansas City Chiefs L 3–7 8–8 Sports Authority Field at Mile High

So in the game he played the other teams were held to 10 pts, 13 pts, 13 pts, 10 pts and then the one game against the vikes that turned into a shootout...i would say that is pretty dang good defense...

If there were ever a time for this icon it is now. So you want to call someone out for cherry picking stats when using total team defense, and instead use your small subset of games which supposedly uses wins but for some odd reason leaves out the Oakland and Pittsburgh wins where they gave up 24 and 23 points. I'm not sure what the reasoning was in leaving those games out, other than, of course, it hurts your argument.

Every QB's points against goes down when removing the losses. That's not unique. You want to discredit Tebow for the wins where the defense gave up 13 points or fewer but still credit him for the losses where the defense gave up a massive 40+. That happened four times by the way.

Why don't you start removing the wins of QBs in games where the opponent scored 13 or fewer points and see how many have a decent looking W/L record leftover, outside of maybe Brady/Rogers/Brees.

The bottom line here is that even if we take your personally hand-selected and cherry picked approach and look at only the wins, Denver gave up 17.5 points per game in their wins with Tebow playing QB. That is about on par with Eli Manning and is pretty middle of the road. By comparison, Ben Roethlisberger's defenses typically allow around 11ppg in his wins. Russell Wilson's allowed 12ppg in his wins last year. Alex Smith's allowed 8ppg in his.

There are plenty of reasons to pick apart Tebow. However, this ridiculous notion that he had some great defense is nothing more than proof that the bandwagon Tebow haters are every bit as zealoutous in seeing stuff that's not there as the bandwagon Tebow lovers are in doing the same for the opposite ends.

I left out the losses because they wouldn't have even made the playoffs if the defence didn't come up huge in those wins...and without that tebow fans would have little to hang their hat on.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

These arguments have been made before.

Personally, I'd say look at teh league's depth charts.

You really wanted Max Hall coming in for your team Cards fans? And Bears fans you were pretty happy with Caleb Hanie. Hey Saints fans, how was Danny Wuerffel back in the day?

How many of you have rushed to the waiver wire to pick up teh defense playing some poor offense with a backup QB or a potential bust like Gabbert who for whatever reason, line, play calling, lack of skill talent around him, just seems like a lock for great DST points week in week out?

Tarvaris Jackson and some dude names Jeff Tuel right now are on the Bills roster as Nos. 3-4 QB and just head is Kevin Kolb. Bills fans really want to see these guys come in in a pinch?

The Jets situation 2012 is a glaring example of something that has seen before in the NFL and even college - head coaches who do not want to be told by the fans and press who to play at QB.

Did anyone actually watch the game that McElroy started for the Jets vs the Cards? Absolutely brutal, awful awful stuff. Yes, Tebow is better than McElory.

Saints fans can remember wood-headed Jim Haslett stonewalling fans and everyone in the world and going with Aaron freakin' Brooks over Jake Delhomme.

And at LSU Les Miles absolutely refused to not only start a capable Jarret Lee over a horrible Jordan Jefferson but also yank Jefferson for Lee in the midst of one of the worst championship game performances of any kind ever.

I am sure other fans of teams good and bad have seen something similar over the years. Now Caldwell and Bradley are going through it in Jacksonville.

This argument really at its core is not about Tebow's style or skills anymore, or even about his outward religiosity (because come on there's a lot of that in the NFL now). Out of about 96 GM's, head coaches and coordinators I absolutely guarantee you there are people who truly believe Tebow is better than whoever they have at Nos. 2-4 on the depth chart. Thing is they or someone else in decision making roles just does not want to be hearing the calls for him to start when things go south. It's absolutely insane but that's what Tebow is up against.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I didn't realize that the Jags would automatically get a HOF QB after starting Tebow for a year than cutting him. Are you seriously saying that switching to a shotgun read option for a year wouldn't make it harder for young guys like Blackmon and Shorts to develop into WRs capable of effectively running the whole route tree in an NFL passing offense?And there's a HUGE difference between a good team with solid veteran leadership and an experienced winner as HC vs the current Jacksonville Jaguars in terms of needing to develop together and being able to handle distractions. Even a solid vet like McGahee was publically talking about how sick the team was of hearing about Tebow, and doing it during the ridiculous lucky run.

HE. CAN'T. PLAY.I can't wait for this crap to go away. Hopefully he'll retire or something so the madness can end, but I doubt that he will...

then cut him after the season i don't think he can make the jags good. I'd imagine he'd go 3-13 and his luster would fade for many but they don't want to risk him winning

No, they don't want to completely give up on the guy they drafted in the 1st just two years ago, even if it looks 95% certain that he sucks. And they don't want to waste a year installing a college offense and hindering the development of the young WRs and the rest of the offense in an actual NFL passing team. And they want the focus in the locker-room to be on developing into an actual solid NFL football team as opposed to a cheap publicity stunt. Tebow brings absolutely nothing to the table outside of jersey sales, would be a disaster as a backup, and would set the team back a year as a starter. He's a HUGE detriment to any franchise outside of a winning team with an unassailable franchise QB already in place. And even to those teams he brings zero to the table on the actual football field, and a media circus off it. I'll be stunned if he gets another job in the NFL.

Denver's WRs have yet to recover from the Tebow era.... so much misinformation