Jacksonville WR situation (1 Viewer)

[Rounders]

At the beginning of camp I read that Del Rio said that M.Jones & R.Williams (Salt and Pepper) would not be guaranteed starters. I even heard the Williams may be cut, although I think that is "ploy".

As I read the latest depth chart from FBG: WR: Reggie Williams, Matt Jones (inj), Ernest Wilford, Dennis Northcutt, Charles Sharon, Mike Walker, John Broussard, Jimmy Farris, D'Juan Woods, Roosevelt Kiser

What injury does Jones have?

Who's going to emerge as the starters?

Who has been looking good in camp? Any sleeper potential?

Any Jax homers have any information?

 

[ImTheScientist]

At the beginning of camp I read that Del Rio said that M.Jones & R.Williams (Salt and Pepper) would not be guaranteed starters. I even heard the Williams may be cut, although I think that is "ploy".

As I read the latest depth chart from FBG: WR: Reggie Williams, Matt Jones (inj), Ernest Wilford, Dennis Northcutt, Charles Sharon, Mike Walker, John Broussard, Jimmy Farris, D'Juan Woods, Roosevelt Kiser

What injury does Jones have?

Who's going to emerge as the starters?

Who has been looking good in camp? Any sleeper potential?

Any Jax homers have any information?

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Dammit I've been meaning to get around to this but I will link to TC reports about whats going on.

To boil it down to a cut and dry scenario, Reggie Williams, John Broussard and Mike Walker really have been impressing in camp and all are likely to make the roster. Northcutt as well. Matt Jones has looked decent but has a few drops and is limited by injuries.

Ernest Wilford was probably the most likely to get the boot, as he has shown great tenactity in getting to the ball but can't catch it to save his life. However, he has really rebounded as of late and is comming on very strong- getting the same seperation and finally catching balls that are thrown his way.

Charles Sharon looked good in limited opportunities before a concussion last week- he was medically released to play but has to make a big impression if he wants to make the roster.

As of now, security to make the roster is probably as follows:



Make the Roster (5): Reggie Williams, Dennis Northcutt, Mike Walker, Matt Jones, (John Broussard>Ernest Wilford);

Outside Looking In: Jimmy Farris, Charles Sharon

 

[The Duff Man]

R. Williams came flying out of the gate with Leftwich at QB last year.

Value.

 

[AnonymousBob]

R. Williams came flying out of the gate with Leftwich at QB last year.Value.

Reggie Williams was performing very well until Byron got hurt. I'm not sure why so few people seem to remember that...

 

[massraider]

R. Williams came flying out of the gate with Leftwich at QB last year.Value.

Reggie Williams was performing very well until Byron got hurt. I'm not sure why so few people seem to remember that...

My guess is because he was a disappointment for so long, and was overshadowed by the big white guy, and even by Wilford for a while there.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

The Jacksonville WR situation is like the Tennesee RB situation -- not worth trying to figure out.

 

[JaxBill]

More info here:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...325061&st=0

Everyone's been raving about Walker in camp. Broussard's speed in camp has also been impressive. They might have to keep him just because someone would pluck him off practice squad. Matt Jones has drawn the ire of the new receviers coach a few times. Everything I've read makes it sound like he just doesn't WANT the ball. In a twist, JDR has released a meaningless depth chart for this week's game and Wilford and Northcutt are the starters. I think it's just a ploy to give Wilford time with the one's before he's cut. Reggie Williams from all reports has been solid but not nearly as outstanding as Walker.

As I said in that other thread

WR1 - Reggie Williams

WR2 - Matt Jones (for now)

WR3 - Northcutt - (he's pretty much set in stone for the slot receiver)

WR4 - Walker (don't be surprised to see Jones/ Walker flip-flop)

WR5 - Sharon/Broussard

I think Wilford's a goner. He makes 1.3 Mil and doesn't provide the special teams help that you need at WR4/WR5.

Jones is also wearing out his welcome but I think he manages to use up a roster spot for one more year. His route-running is terrible and he shies away from contact.

Leftwich has looked good in camp and it'll be nice to see if the Jags (JDR) open it up with more 4-WR sets as new OC Koetter has promised.

 

[hephner]

The "official" Jags depth chart was posted to their site today, and it's really strange:

1st team: Wilford & Northcutt

2nd team: Jones & Sharon

3rd team: Williams & Roosevelt Kiser?

4th team: Broussard & Jimmy Farris?

5th team: Mike Walker & D'Juan Woods

Whaaaa?

I'm assuming they just put the rookies on the 5th team by default or something. I don't see any way Walker doesn't make the roster. Wilford & Northcutt on the first team? Northcutt is going to be their slot receiver, so I don't buy this, and I thought Wilford would be fighting for a roster spot. Most surprised to see Williams listed with the 3rd team though, not even ahead of Sharon.

This is all probably just motivational ammunition that the coaches are using, no?

 

[JaxBill]

I wouldn't read anything into the depth chart. It has Nick Sorenson, who might no make the team, starting ahead of Reggie Nelson. It also has Tony Yelk starting ahead of Adam Podlesh at punter.

 

[Rounders]

The "official" Jags depth chart was posted to their site today, and it's really strange:1st team: Wilford & Northcutt 2nd team: Jones & Sharon 3rd team: Williams & Roosevelt Kiser?4th team: Broussard & Jimmy Farris?5th team: Mike Walker & D'Juan WoodsWhaaaa?I'm assuming they just put the rookies on the 5th team by default or something. I don't see any way Walker doesn't make the roster. Wilford & Northcutt on the first team? Northcutt is going to be their slot receiver, so I don't buy this, and I thought Wilford would be fighting for a roster spot. Most surprised to see Williams listed with the 3rd team though, not even ahead of Sharon.This is all probably just motivational ammunition that the coaches are using, no?

I think it's a motivational thing and JDR wants to see his young guys perform

 

[JaxBill]

Jags MB says Wilford hurt his knee this morning-

http://mb.jaguars.com/Topic295384-6-1.aspx

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Jags MB says Wilford hurt his knee this morning-

http://mb.jaguars.com/Topic295384-6-1.aspx

Hate to say it but this might be the best thing going for his chances to make the team going forward- that is if its as bad as reported as goes on the IR. Its a shame, because he really started to turn the corner lately. Regardless, Broussard was having such an awesome and steady camp that its hard to see him being beaten out by Wilford. If the Jags keep 5, it puts Broussard in the seat to make the roster. Which I am very happy about.

Do you think Farris will beat out Sharon for the possible 6th slot or will they keep only 5?

 

[JaxBill]

Everything I've read says they only keep 5. Can Farris be put on the practice squad? JDR has really talked up Sharon, but there's less chance of somebody stealing Sharon off the practice squad than guy who runs a 4.4 like Broussard.

There's no definite word on WIlford yet, he could've just tweaked something. One poster said he was "helped" off but not carted off.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Everything I've read says they only keep 5. Can Farris be put on the practice squad? JDR has really talked up Sharon, but there's less chance of somebody stealing Sharon off the practice squad than guy who runs a 4.4 like Broussard.There's no definite word on WIlford yet, he could've just tweaked something. One poster said he was "helped" off but not carted off.

Its a knee injury due to a poorly thrown Garrard ball that was too low. Wilford dived and jammed his knee into the turf. Perhaps a dislocated patella? I doubt any injury could have affected the ligaments. At least I hope so for his sake. Damn you Garrard

 

[kensat30]

The "official" Jags depth chart was posted to their site today, and it's really strange:1st team: Wilford & Northcutt 2nd team: Jones & Sharon 3rd team: Williams & Roosevelt Kiser?4th team: Broussard & Jimmy Farris?5th team: Mike Walker & D'Juan WoodsWhaaaa?I'm assuming they just put the rookies on the 5th team by default or something. I don't see any way Walker doesn't make the roster. Wilford & Northcutt on the first team? Northcutt is going to be their slot receiver, so I don't buy this, and I thought Wilford would be fighting for a roster spot. Most surprised to see Williams listed with the 3rd team though, not even ahead of Sharon.This is all probably just motivational ammunition that the coaches are using, no?

One player on each squad that will make the team?NorthcuttJonesWilliamsBroussardWalker

 

[imeimex]

Rotoworld's take: Similar to what has been discussed in this thread.

Reggie Williams-WR-Jaguars Aug. 7 - 2:55 pm et

Reggie Williams was listed as Jacksonville's third-team receiver on their initial depth chart behind Dennis Northcutt and Charles Sharon.

Coaches like to play games with early depth charts, but Williams is clearly in the doghouse. Matt Jones was behind Ernest Wilford on the other side. There is at least a chance Williams won't make the team; we would take him off draft boards for now.

 

[FavreCo]

Rotoworld's take: Similar to what has been discussed in this thread.

Reggie Williams-WR-Jaguars Aug. 7 - 2:55 pm et

Reggie Williams was listed as Jacksonville's third-team receiver on their initial depth chart behind Dennis Northcutt and Charles Sharon.

Coaches like to play games with early depth charts, but Williams is clearly in the doghouse. Matt Jones was behind Ernest Wilford on the other side. There is at least a chance Williams won't make the team; we would take him off draft boards for now.

There is ZERO chance Reggie will be cut. There is a 100% chance he starts week 1.

 

[Rounders]

Rotoworld's take: Similar to what has been discussed in this thread.

Reggie Williams-WR-Jaguars Aug. 7 - 2:55 pm et

Reggie Williams was listed as Jacksonville's third-team receiver on their initial depth chart behind Dennis Northcutt and Charles Sharon.

Coaches like to play games with early depth charts, but Williams is clearly in the doghouse. Matt Jones was behind Ernest Wilford on the other side. There is at least a chance Williams won't make the team; we would take him off draft boards for now.

There is ZERO chance Reggie will be cut. There is a 100% chance he starts week 1.

What makes you think he won't get cut.....Rotoworlds comments only making the picture more murky???

 

[KellysHeroes]

Rotoworld's take: Similar to what has been discussed in this thread.

Reggie Williams-WR-Jaguars Aug. 7 - 2:55 pm et

Reggie Williams was listed as Jacksonville's third-team receiver on their initial depth chart behind Dennis Northcutt and Charles Sharon.

Coaches like to play games with early depth charts, but Williams is clearly in the doghouse. Matt Jones was behind Ernest Wilford on the other side. There is at least a chance Williams won't make the team; we would take him off draft boards for now.

There is ZERO chance Reggie will be cut. There is a 100% chance he starts week 1.

R Williams owner

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Rotoworld's take: Similar to what has been discussed in this thread.

Reggie Williams-WR-Jaguars Aug. 7 - 2:55 pm et

Reggie Williams was listed as Jacksonville's third-team receiver on their initial depth chart behind Dennis Northcutt and Charles Sharon.

Coaches like to play games with early depth charts, but Williams is clearly in the doghouse. Matt Jones was behind Ernest Wilford on the other side. There is at least a chance Williams won't make the team; we would take him off draft boards for now.

There is ZERO chance Reggie will be cut. There is a 100% chance he starts week 1.

R Williams owner

Outside of Northcutt, Reggie has been the most impressive receiver in camp thus far. He and Byron have an excellent rapport as well.

It helps to read sometimes. All this info is available at the Jaguars official message board.

 

[hephner]

Watching NFL Live on ESPN right now. They just did a "Camp Confidential" segment .

Anyways, Len Pasquerelli was reporting from Jaguars camp, and he basically quoted the depth chart that was released, as if it were the final roster. And the best part. He followed up with "Rookie WR Mike Williams has been very impressive in camp, and may be the 3rd WR."

Wow.

 

[perry147]

Watching NFL Live on ESPN right now. They just did a "Camp Confidential" segment . Anyways, Len Pasquerelli was reporting from Jaguars camp, and he basically quoted the depth chart that was released, as if it were the final roster. And the best part. He followed up with "Rookie WR Mike Williams has been very impressive in camp, and may be the 3rd WR." Wow.

Len is an idiot.

 

[Rounders]

Watching NFL Live on ESPN right now. They just did a "Camp Confidential" segment . Anyways, Len Pasquerelli was reporting from Jaguars camp, and he basically quoted the depth chart that was released, as if it were the final roster. And the best part. He followed up with "Rookie WR Mike Williams has been very impressive in camp, and may be the 3rd WR." Wow.

Seriously! That is great. Now I can plan to target R.Williams as a sleeper one round later.....priceless

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

So why exactly is Williams in the dog house? Everything I've read up until today suggests that he's having another great training camp. He's also one of the best blocking WR's in the league...

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

So why exactly is Williams in the dog house? Everything I've read up until today suggests that he's having another great training camp. He's also one of the best blocking WR's in the league...

Don't put too much stock in these things, they're often riddled with mistakes and simply used as motivational ploys. Reggie is having a great camp.This is the same depth chart that lists DE Bobby McCray as the starter at both DE positions, and doesn't list Reggie Nelson as the starter at the FS position.

 

[Capella]

3 seasons later, and I still cannot believe that they drafted a guy who never played wide receiver to be their stud wide receiver...in round one.

I'll never forget all the people here arguing about how great he would be. Hell, I even semi-bought into it for a few weeks last year.

 

[Patoons]

Don't put too much stock in these things, they're often riddled with mistakes and simply used as motivational ploys. Reggie is having a great camp.

He ALWAYS has a great camp... This is about the third year in a row I've heard this.

 

[cmv5]

3 seasons later, and I still cannot believe that they drafted a guy who never played wide receiver to be their stud wide receiver...in round one.I'll never forget all the people here arguing about how great he would be. Hell, I even semi-bought into it for a few weeks last year.

What is Reggie's excuse? He played wide receiver in college.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Don't put too much stock in these things, they're often riddled with mistakes and simply used as motivational ploys. Reggie is having a great camp.

He ALWAYS has a great camp... This is about the third year in a row I've heard this.

And he's never been in danger of not making the roster. What's your point?

 

[AnonymousBob]

Don't put too much stock in these things, they're often riddled with mistakes and simply used as motivational ploys. Reggie is having a great camp.

He ALWAYS has a great camp... This is about the third year in a row I've heard this.

He had 297 yards and 4 td's in the first five games...then Byron got hurt (in game 6). He wasn't exactly going to overtake Marvin Harrison but he was a very solid fantasy player up to that point.He was on pace for 900+yards and 12 td's. That was a very small sample to draw any significant conclusions but it's worth noticing. Was it a fluke or were Byron and Williams developing chemistry?

 

[FavreCo]

Rotoworld's take: Similar to what has been discussed in this thread.

Reggie Williams-WR-Jaguars Aug. 7 - 2:55 pm et

Reggie Williams was listed as Jacksonville's third-team receiver on their initial depth chart behind Dennis Northcutt and Charles Sharon.

Coaches like to play games with early depth charts, but Williams is clearly in the doghouse. Matt Jones was behind Ernest Wilford on the other side. There is at least a chance Williams won't make the team; we would take him off draft boards for now.

There is ZERO chance Reggie will be cut. There is a 100% chance he starts week 1.

What makes you think he won't get cut.....Rotoworlds comments only making the picture more murky???

Simple really. You can look it up if you like but the fact is that Reggie Wiiliams caught the highest percentage of passes thrown his way out of all the WR's over the last 2 years. On top of that he is a great blocker. All this manure about depth chart and Williams in the doghouse is just that. Manure. They won't be replacing him with a rookie and a two bit bum like sharon or Northcutt.

 

[FavreCo]

Rotoworld's take: Similar to what has been discussed in this thread.

Reggie Williams-WR-Jaguars Aug. 7 - 2:55 pm et

Reggie Williams was listed as Jacksonville's third-team receiver on their initial depth chart behind Dennis Northcutt and Charles Sharon.

Coaches like to play games with early depth charts, but Williams is clearly in the doghouse. Matt Jones was behind Ernest Wilford on the other side. There is at least a chance Williams won't make the team; we would take him off draft boards for now.

There is ZERO chance Reggie will be cut. There is a 100% chance he starts week 1.

R Williams owner

Outside of Northcutt, Reggie has been the most impressive receiver in camp thus far. He and Byron have an excellent rapport as well.

It helps to read sometimes. All this info is available at the Jaguars official message board.

A lot of people on this board are clueless. btw, this same bs was spewed out last year about Reggie being cut.

 

[Patoons]

Don't put too much stock in these things, they're often riddled with mistakes and simply used as motivational ploys. Reggie is having a great camp.

He ALWAYS has a great camp... This is about the third year in a row I've heard this.

And he's never been in danger of not making the roster. What's your point?

Basically... "nothing to see here"... he always has a great camp. He has always been a practice hero. I don't think he'll ever be cut, but I also don't think he's going to live up to his first round draft choice tag. Reggie is inconsistent. Yes, he showed signs early last year, but I've yet to see him exhibit any consistency. I see the guy being a mediocre WR in the league, good for a #4 WR in 14-team leagues.

 

[Patoons]

Don't put too much stock in these things, they're often riddled with mistakes and simply used as motivational ploys. Reggie is having a great camp.

He ALWAYS has a great camp... This is about the third year in a row I've heard this.

He had 297 yards and 4 td's in the first five games...then Byron got hurt (in game 6). He wasn't exactly going to overtake Marvin Harrison but he was a very solid fantasy player up to that point.He was on pace for 900+yards and 12 td's. That was a very small sample to draw any significant conclusions but it's worth noticing. Was it a fluke or were Byron and Williams developing chemistry?

Could be chemistry, could also be that he needs a ton of targets to produce or could be that defenses began to focus in on him a bit more. Towards the end of the year he did get a more targets and did have some games close to one hundred.My only fear with this guy would be that when he produces, if he can maintain his production level (as I noted in my prior post).

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I think you guys are being awfully quick to discount the stated depth chart. It's not like Williams, Wilford and Jones aren't known quantities at this point, and Wilford's PRODUCED as much as the other two when he's been given the chance. He stays healthy (the knee today is no big shake from the sound of things), he runs good routes and he catches TDs. Williams has had three years to get motivated, and if the coaches are still unhappy with him (and they are if you read the comments from the WR coach) he really may be in danger.

Also...they mention that the coaches seem to think Jones is better suited for the slot where he can get mismatches. And Northcutt's clearly not a #1. So you've got Northcutt at #2, Jones in the slot, with Wilford and Williams fighting for the #1.

And when you compare Williams' production to Wilford's since they came into the league, there's absolutely no reason Wilford couldn't win the spot if the coaches are happier with him. Better production, plus better work habits = starter.

Williams 114 catches on 203 targets, 11.7 average 5 TDs

Wilford 96 catches on 176 targets, 15.4 avg, 11 TDs

I think Wilford's going to win the job.

 

[Patoons]

I think you guys are being awfully quick to discount the stated depth chart. It's not like Williams, Wilford and Jones aren't known quantities at this point, and Wilford's PRODUCED as much as the other two when he's been given the chance. He stays healthy (the knee today is no big shake from the sound of things), he runs good routes and he catches TDs. Williams has had three years to get motivated, and if the coaches are still unhappy with him (and they are if you read the comments from the WR coach) he really may be in danger.Also...they mention that the coaches seem to think Jones is better suited for the slot where he can get mismatches. And Northcutt's clearly not a #1. So you've got Northcutt at #2, Jones in the slot, with Wilford and Williams fighting for the #1. And when you compare Williams' production to Wilford's since they came into the league, there's absolutely no reason Wilford couldn't win the spot if the coaches are happier with him. Better production, plus better work habits = starter.Williams 114 catches on 203 targets, 11.7 average 5 TDsWilford 96 catches on 176 targets, 15.4 avg, 11 TDsI think Wilford's going to win the job.

Discounting Mike Walker rather quickly?Wilford was given the opportunity last year, imo. He didn't do much with it and faded. Two years ago he began to show some promise... don't know what happened.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Discounting Mike Walker rather quickly?Wilford was given the opportunity last year, imo. He didn't do much with it and faded. Two years ago he began to show some promise... don't know what happened.

Walker might end up doing something, I don't know much about him. But I'd be surprised if he's the #1 this year. I'm not saying Wilford's a lock or anything, just that I don't see any reason the depth chart couldn't be accurate, and it's seems hasty to me to assume Williams couldn't ride the pine/be cut.And if you look at Wilford's #s for the last 16 games he played with Leftwich at QB, they're pretty decent considering he was in a 3-way cluster^$*@. IF he wins the #1 job, he could be a viable WR2/3 -- WR ~30.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

viable WR2/3 -- WR ~30.

Please go to the Jaguars.com message board. Wilford, by all accounts is on the bubble and while he has played well recently, has never been able to catch the ball with consistancy for three years now, leading WR's in catchable balls dropped for the 2005 season. This is why the coaching staff has fallen out of love with this guy- he simply kills drives with his inability to catch, despite his redzone prowess. Mike Walker offers a nice red-zone target that has proven thus far in camp that he can catch the ball just fine. Its only a matter of time before Walker passes Wilford, if he hasn't done so already in with his performances. If the Jaguars keep 5 recievers, more than likely it will be Wilford who gets cut.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Suit yourself. But I don't see how WR30 is out of the question for a guy who was WR34 two years ago as a 2nd year receiver.

 

[JaxBill]

I think you guys are being awfully quick to discount the stated depth chart.

I'm discounting the depth chart because JDR has said on his radio show that the only reason that he puts out a depth chart at this time because he HAS to.Combine that with obvious flaws at other positions (SS, P) and it's obvious JDR is just playing games with the depth chart.

 

[John Black]

Jags WR situation=

 

[Erin Go Bragh]

Rotoworld's take: Similar to what has been discussed in this thread.

Reggie Williams-WR-Jaguars Aug. 7 - 2:55 pm et

Reggie Williams was listed as Jacksonville's third-team receiver on their initial depth chart behind Dennis Northcutt and Charles Sharon.

Coaches like to play games with early depth charts, but Williams is clearly in the doghouse. Matt Jones was behind Ernest Wilford on the other side. There is at least a chance Williams won't make the team; we would take him off draft boards for now.

There is ZERO chance Reggie will be cut. There is a 100% chance he starts week 1.

Since you feel ther is ZERO chance that Reggie gets cut and zero chance that he isn't an opening day starter, what kind of odds would you be willing to give on those two propositions? 10 to 1? That seems more than fair since you think they are both certainties. I'll take each one for $10 at 10 to 1 if you're willing to put your money where your mouth is.I follow this situation very closely and it is better than even money that either Williams or Wilford get cut, IMO. Those who discount Sharon's chances of making the team haven't been paying close enough attention or aren't getting the most accurate reports. Sharon, Northcutt and Walker had the best summers of any Jags WRs. Del Rio called Sharon the best route runner on the team after Monday night's practice and he caught a deep TD from Leftwich in practice this morning, too.

The only three WRs to have a lock on a roster spot are Northcutt, Walker and Jones. There is no way they are cutting Jones after two years in which he has been slowed by hamstring issues, been learning how to play the position and scored nine TDs in two years while averaging nearly 16 ypc last year.

For every Sharon or Brousard that makes the roster, Williams or Wilford is gone unless they keep six. That's a possibility but that's not what is expected amongst the local media. Vic Ketchman of jaguars dot com was on local radio last Friday and said he thinks Brousard makes the team and that Williams or Jones is gone, but that Jones will get the benefit of the doubt because of the factors I cited above. That was before Jones made a leaping catch over a DB on a pass from Leftwich at the Jaguar scrimmage on Friday night. It wasn't the first time he was targeted in the redzone and the feeling is that is where the team will try to utilize him this year.

But then again, I might be totally wrong...but I'm willing to take those bets with those odds because you seemed convinced there is no way you can lose.

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

Rotoworld's take: Similar to what has been discussed in this thread.

Reggie Williams-WR-Jaguars Aug. 7 - 2:55 pm et

Reggie Williams was listed as Jacksonville's third-team receiver on their initial depth chart behind Dennis Northcutt and Charles Sharon.

Coaches like to play games with early depth charts, but Williams is clearly in the doghouse. Matt Jones was behind Ernest Wilford on the other side. There is at least a chance Williams won't make the team; we would take him off draft boards for now.

There is ZERO chance Reggie will be cut. There is a 100% chance he starts week 1.

Since you feel ther is ZERO chance that Reggie gets cut and zero chance that he isn't an opening day starter, what kind of odds would you be willing to give on those two propositions? 10 to 1? That seems more than fair since you think they are both certainties. I'll take each one for $10 at 10 to 1 if you're willing to put your money where your mouth is.I follow this situation very closely and it is better than even money that either Williams or Wilford get cut, IMO. Those who discount Sharon's chances of making the team haven't been paying close enough attention or aren't getting the most accurate reports. Sharon, Northcutt and Walker had the best summers of any Jags WRs. Del Rio called Sharon the best route runner on the team after Monday night's practice and he caught a deep TD from Leftwich in practice this morning, too.

The only three WRs to have a lock on a roster spot are Northcutt, Walker and Jones. There is no way they are cutting Jones after two years in which he has been slowed by hamstring issues, been learning how to play the position and scored nine TDs in two years while averaging nearly 16 ypc last year.

For every Sharon or Brousard that makes the roster, Williams or Wilford is gone unless they keep six. That's a possibility but that's not what is expected amongst the local media. Vic Ketchman of jaguars dot com was on local radio last Friday and said he thinks Brousard makes the team and that Williams or Jones is gone, but that Jones will get the benefit of the doubt because of the factors I cited above. That was before Jones made a leaping catch over a DB on a pass from Leftwich at the Jaguar scrimmage on Friday night. It wasn't the first time he was targeted in the redzone and the feeling is that is where the team will try to utilize him this year.

But then again, I might be totally wrong...but I'm willing to take those bets with those odds because you seemed convinced there is no way you can lose.

If you're so plugged into the situation in Jacksonville, why don't you clue us all in as to what Reggie is doing wrong in camp...Up until a few days ago, all that I'd heard is that he's having another great camp...You know, catching the hell out of the ball and further cementing his reputation as one of the better blocking WR's in football.

 

[duaneok66]

Rotoworld's take: Similar to what has been discussed in this thread.

Reggie Williams-WR-Jaguars Aug. 7 - 2:55 pm et

Reggie Williams was listed as Jacksonville's third-team receiver on their initial depth chart behind Dennis Northcutt and Charles Sharon.

Coaches like to play games with early depth charts, but Williams is clearly in the doghouse. Matt Jones was behind Ernest Wilford on the other side. There is at least a chance Williams won't make the team; we would take him off draft boards for now.

There is ZERO chance Reggie will be cut. There is a 100% chance he starts week 1.

Since you feel ther is ZERO chance that Reggie gets cut and zero chance that he isn't an opening day starter, what kind of odds would you be willing to give on those two propositions? 10 to 1? That seems more than fair since you think they are both certainties. I'll take each one for $10 at 10 to 1 if you're willing to put your money where your mouth is.I follow this situation very closely and it is better than even money that either Williams or Wilford get cut, IMO. Those who discount Sharon's chances of making the team haven't been paying close enough attention or aren't getting the most accurate reports. Sharon, Northcutt and Walker had the best summers of any Jags WRs. Del Rio called Sharon the best route runner on the team after Monday night's practice and he caught a deep TD from Leftwich in practice this morning, too.

The only three WRs to have a lock on a roster spot are Northcutt, Walker and Jones. There is no way they are cutting Jones after two years in which he has been slowed by hamstring issues, been learning how to play the position and scored nine TDs in two years while averaging nearly 16 ypc last year.

For every Sharon or Brousard that makes the roster, Williams or Wilford is gone unless they keep six. That's a possibility but that's not what is expected amongst the local media. Vic Ketchman of jaguars dot com was on local radio last Friday and said he thinks Brousard makes the team and that Williams or Jones is gone, but that Jones will get the benefit of the doubt because of the factors I cited above. That was before Jones made a leaping catch over a DB on a pass from Leftwich at the Jaguar scrimmage on Friday night. It wasn't the first time he was targeted in the redzone and the feeling is that is where the team will try to utilize him this year.

But then again, I might be totally wrong...but I'm willing to take those bets with those odds because you seemed convinced there is no way you can lose.

If you're so plugged into the situation in Jacksonville, why don't you clue us all in as to what Reggie is doing wrong in camp...Up until a few days ago, all that I'd heard is that he's having another great camp...You know, catching the hell out of the ball and further cementing his reputation as one of the better blocking WR's in football.

I havent read anything that said that Williams is having a great camp . . . Northcutt has been getting all the press . . .

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

Reggie Williams showed that he has the ability to use his body to shield the ball, doing it several times during the 1×2 drills. He made life very difficult for Bruce Thornton by preventing him from getting to the ball, then using his size to muscle forward for a few extra yards.

David Garrard connected with Reggie Williams on a deep corner route, turning it into a fifteen yard gain for the offense. Reggie made a nice catch over the top as the ball was thrown high to avoid coverage.

Garrard did connect with Reggie Williams on a deep corner route, putting the pass just over the reach of Rashod Moulton. Reggie entertained the crowd with a little chicken dance in the end zone at the conclusion of the play.

During the position drills, the receivers were up and down. Reggie Williams has clearly been working hard on his route running as he is getting in and out of his cuts more quickly than in years past. Still, he does not have the breakaway speed that most would like to see, but during the team drills, I think we got a glimpse of what to expect from Williams if all things come together as expected this year. More on that later.

During the position drills, Reggie made a few very nice catches, but also had a couple of drops, one of which was a very catchable ball from Garrard. One thing about Williams that he clearly has worked on this year is that he is going out and getting the ball rather than waiting for it to come to him. This may be the cause of some of his drops as he is reaching out to make the play and possibly loses concentration at times. We will see if this becomes a trend, although it should not be a cause for concern at this point. It could just be a case of rust that he needs to shake off. One of the nicer catches that Williams made during practice was a sideline grab on the outside on a pass from Byron that was slightly overthrown. Williams was covered nicely, but used his body to go up and snap the ball out of the air, showing something that we have not seen from Williams in the past with his vertical leap.

Reggie Williams went diving for a deep out from Byron Leftwich, making a wonderful grab on the sideline and showing terrific concentration in coverage.

I've read a ton of snippets like that from various websites that seem to indicate Reggie is having a good camp.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

I've read a ton of snippets like that from various websites that seem to indicate Reggie is having a good camp.

Pretty faint praise to be honest.

 

[duaneok66]

Reggie Williams showed that he has the ability to use his body to shield the ball, doing it several times during the 1×2 drills. He made life very difficult for Bruce Thornton by preventing him from getting to the ball, then using his size to muscle forward for a few extra yards.

David Garrard connected with Reggie Williams on a deep corner route, turning it into a fifteen yard gain for the offense. Reggie made a nice catch over the top as the ball was thrown high to avoid coverage.

Garrard did connect with Reggie Williams on a deep corner route, putting the pass just over the reach of Rashod Moulton. Reggie entertained the crowd with a little chicken dance in the end zone at the conclusion of the play.

During the position drills, the receivers were up and down. Reggie Williams has clearly been working hard on his route running as he is getting in and out of his cuts more quickly than in years past. Still, he does not have the breakaway speed that most would like to see, but during the team drills, I think we got a glimpse of what to expect from Williams if all things come together as expected this year. More on that later.

During the position drills, Reggie made a few very nice catches, but also had a couple of drops, one of which was a very catchable ball from Garrard. One thing about Williams that he clearly has worked on this year is that he is going out and getting the ball rather than waiting for it to come to him. This may be the cause of some of his drops as he is reaching out to make the play and possibly loses concentration at times. We will see if this becomes a trend, although it should not be a cause for concern at this point. It could just be a case of rust that he needs to shake off. One of the nicer catches that Williams made during practice was a sideline grab on the outside on a pass from Byron that was slightly overthrown. Williams was covered nicely, but used his body to go up and snap the ball out of the air, showing something that we have not seen from Williams in the past with his vertical leap.

Reggie Williams went diving for a deep out from Byron Leftwich, making a wonderful grab on the sideline and showing terrific concentration in coverage.

I've read a ton of snippets like that from various websites that seem to indicate Reggie is having a good camp.

first, you changed GREAT to GOODsecond; you show isolated plays to suggest such - what was he doing the rest of the time??

 

[BigJim®]

Rotoworld's take: Similar to what has been discussed in this thread.

Reggie Williams-WR-Jaguars Aug. 7 - 2:55 pm et

Reggie Williams was listed as Jacksonville's third-team receiver on their initial depth chart behind Dennis Northcutt and Charles Sharon.

Coaches like to play games with early depth charts, but Williams is clearly in the doghouse. Matt Jones was behind Ernest Wilford on the other side. There is at least a chance Williams won't make the team; we would take him off draft boards for now.

How is this remotely similar to the rest of this thread, which has said Williams looks great?

 

[JaxBill]

Rotoworld's take: Similar to what has been discussed in this thread.

Reggie Williams-WR-Jaguars Aug. 7 - 2:55 pm et

Reggie Williams was listed as Jacksonville's third-team receiver on their initial depth chart behind Dennis Northcutt and Charles Sharon.

Coaches like to play games with early depth charts, but Williams is clearly in the doghouse. Matt Jones was behind Ernest Wilford on the other side. There is at least a chance Williams won't make the team; we would take him off draft boards for now.

There is ZERO chance Reggie will be cut. There is a 100% chance he starts week 1.

Since you feel ther is ZERO chance that Reggie gets cut and zero chance that he isn't an opening day starter, what kind of odds would you be willing to give on those two propositions? 10 to 1? That seems more than fair since you think they are both certainties. I'll take each one for $10 at 10 to 1 if you're willing to put your money where your mouth is.I follow this situation very closely and it is better than even money that either Williams or Wilford get cut, IMO. Those who discount Sharon's chances of making the team haven't been paying close enough attention or aren't getting the most accurate reports. Sharon, Northcutt and Walker had the best summers of any Jags WRs. Del Rio called Sharon the best route runner on the team after Monday night's practice and he caught a deep TD from Leftwich in practice this morning, too.

The only three WRs to have a lock on a roster spot are Northcutt, Walker and Jones. There is no way they are cutting Jones after two years in which he has been slowed by hamstring issues, been learning how to play the position and scored nine TDs in two years while averaging nearly 16 ypc last year.

For every Sharon or Brousard that makes the roster, Williams or Wilford is gone unless they keep six. That's a possibility but that's not what is expected amongst the local media. Vic Ketchman of jaguars dot com was on local radio last Friday and said he thinks Brousard makes the team and that Williams or Jones is gone, but that Jones will get the benefit of the doubt because of the factors I cited above. That was before Jones made a leaping catch over a DB on a pass from Leftwich at the Jaguar scrimmage on Friday night. It wasn't the first time he was targeted in the redzone and the feeling is that is where the team will try to utilize him this year.

But then again, I might be totally wrong...but I'm willing to take those bets with those odds because you seemed convinced there is no way you can lose.

Are YOU giving 10 to 1 odds on that(Jones)? I agree Northcutt and Walker are locks and I agree that Wilford is pretty gone. From the training camp reviews I've read, Jones is still running terrible routes, shows no passion to go get the ball, and has been in the doghouse with the receivers coach.I haven't heard anything from Ketchman saying that Williams was gone.