Jags Fire Sale Thread (Pure Speculation) (1 Viewer)

[Insein]

With the trade of starting LT Eugene Monroe for "3rd day considerations," have the Jags declared to the league that it is now clearing house?

I hope so. Guys like MJD, Shorts, Blackmon, and Marcedes have value that could net them some high draft picks. They are all currently wasting away behind a below average oline and an epicly bad QB. As an MJD owner, I'd love to see him moved anywhere just to get a shot at a productive season.

What do we think the likely hood of a trade for these guys is and where are some possible destinations?

Add any solid rumors that you can but right now it's just pure speculation.

 

[steveski]

A fire sale isn't a bad idea. It's working out for the Browns.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Hey Insein, what's MJD's trade value to another team for a 28 year old RB? Who would want him and what teams could he start for where the trade makes sense?

 

[King of the Jungle]

Yeah getting rid of a young good LT for 3rd day picks is a great strategy for a struggling franchise. Now when they get a QB they can put him through the David Carr treatment.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I think they would want to keepy shorts & blackmon. They just need a QB.

MJD should be pedaled, I doubt he would bring much in the open market

 

[Insein]

Hey Insein, what's MJD's trade value to another team for a 28 year old RB? Who would want him and what teams could he start for where the trade makes sense?

Not sure. Probably not high. But if they are dumping a starting LT for 3rd day picks, they may not care. I would think a 4th or 5th could get mjd. As for who would do that, Pitt maybe but their history shows most likely not. San Diego is another possibility since they are off to a surprising start and Matthews is not very good.

Again all just speculation.

 

[meyerj31]

Hey Insein, what's MJD's trade value to another team for a 28 year old RB? Who would want him and what teams could he start for where the trade makes sense?

Not sure. Probably not high. But if they are dumping a starting LT for 3rd day picks, they may not care. I would think a 4th or 5th could get mjd. As for who would do that, Pitt maybe but their history shows most likely not. San Diego is another possibility since they are off to a surprising start and Matthews is not very good.

Again all just speculation.

Wow, what the hell. Roto says he graded as the 10th best LT last year... for third day picks??? I'm wondering why my Packers didn't jump on that. Even if they wanted to develop Bahktiara, how do you not trade late round picks for a solid backup LT? Maybe his contract was somewhat prohibitive?

edit: Nope... overthecap says he's only due another $2,905,882 yet this year. Seems pretty damn cheap for an above average starting NFL left tackle. Ravens got a steal.

edit2: I see why... contract was up this year. So the Ravens paid draft picks to get only 12 games out of a guy, and would have to pay him a decent contract to keep him.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Hey Insein, what's MJD's trade value to another team for a 28 year old RB? Who would want him and what teams could he start for where the trade makes sense?

Not sure. Probably not high. But if they are dumping a starting LT for 3rd day picks, they may not care. I would think a 4th or 5th could get mjd. As for who would do that, Pitt maybe but their history shows most likely not. San Diego is another possibility since they are off to a surprising start and Matthews is not very good.

Again all just speculation.

At this point Mathews is 10 times better than MJD

 

[Sweet Love]

They did draft Luke Joekel, so the need for a tackle is less than it may seem...very similar situation to that of KC. Difference is that KC will get nothing when Albert walks (which is fine because they are making a run in 2013), whereas Jacksonville is going nowhere this year and trying to get something for him. I'm not saying it is a good deal for Jacksonville, but you can see the logic behind it.

 

[King of the Jungle]

They did draft Luke Joekel, so the need for a tackle is less than it may seem...very similar situation to that of KC. Difference is that KC will get nothing when Albert walks (which is fine because they are making a run in 2013), whereas Jacksonville is going nowhere this year and trying to get something for him. I'm not saying it is a good deal for Jacksonville, but you can see the logic behind it.

Good point and maybe since it was his last year they knew they were not going to pursue another contract with him. I would think someone out there would have paid more but what do I know....

 

[Insein]

Hey Insein, what's MJD's trade value to another team for a 28 year old RB? Who would want him and what teams could he start for where the trade makes sense?

Not sure. Probably not high. But if they are dumping a starting LT for 3rd day picks, they may not care. I would think a 4th or 5th could get mjd. As for who would do that, Pitt maybe but their history shows most likely not. San Diego is another possibility since they are off to a surprising start and Matthews is not very good.Again all just speculation.

At this point Mathews is 10 times better than MJD

I disagree with that. I think mjd is more dynamic and can still produce with a half decent line. Mathews hasn't really shown he can do even that.

 

[The Hank]

Hey Insein, what's MJD's trade value to another team for a 28 year old RB? Who would want him and what teams could he start for where the trade makes sense?

Not sure. Probably not high. But if they are dumping a starting LT for 3rd day picks, they may not care. I would think a 4th or 5th could get mjd. As for who would do that, Pitt maybe but their history shows most likely not. San Diego is another possibility since they are off to a surprising start and Matthews is not very good.

Again all just speculation.

Pittsburgh has 0 need for a RB with Le'Veon back; especially one who is gimpy, 28 yrs old and in a contract year.

 

[Wadsworth]

The Jags really do not have much else to trade.

-Lowery might get some interest if healthy.

-Marcedes Lewis is not healthy and his contract is too big to trade even if he was healthy.

-Poz is getting too much money to be worth anything.

-MJD might get some interest if can show anything on the field, but that seem unlikely at this point.

-Blackmon has obvious issues that would limit his value.

-Babin is old and while his contract is not huge, it is not attractive either.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Hey Insein, what's MJD's trade value to another team for a 28 year old RB? Who would want him and what teams could he start for where the trade makes sense?

Not sure. Probably not high. But if they are dumping a starting LT for 3rd day picks, they may not care. I would think a 4th or 5th could get mjd. As for who would do that, Pitt maybe but their history shows most likely not. San Diego is another possibility since they are off to a surprising start and Matthews is not very good.Again all just speculation.

At this point Mathews is 10 times better than MJD

I disagree with that. I think mjd is more dynamic and can still produce with a half decent line. Mathews hasn't really shown he can do even that.

Then you havent watched both this year

 

[Jayrok]

Since it is pure speculation, MJD to the Packers or Falcons..

 

[Insein]

Hey Insein, what's MJD's trade value to another team for a 28 year old RB? Who would want him and what teams could he start for where the trade makes sense?

Not sure. Probably not high. But if they are dumping a starting LT for 3rd day picks, they may not care. I would think a 4th or 5th could get mjd. As for who would do that, Pitt maybe but their history shows most likely not. San Diego is another possibility since they are off to a surprising start and Matthews is not very good.Again all just speculation.

At this point Mathews is 10 times better than MJD

I disagree with that. I think mjd is more dynamic and can still produce with a half decent line. Mathews hasn't really shown he can do even that.

Then you havent watched both this year

What I have seen leads me to this conclusion. Mjd still has something but faces 8 and 9 in the box every first down and consistently on second down too. Jags offense runs on 1st and 2nd down more than 75% of the time which makes them immensely predictable. Add in Gabbert offering no threat in the passing game and poor oline play, its easy to see why Mjd is struggling.

Contrast that with Mathews. SD is a pass first offense with a rejuvenated Rivers looking good at QB. Defenses have to respect the pass more than the run game. They pass on 1st down about as much as they run. Yet Mathews routinely misses holes and fails to take advantage.

Just my observations.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Hey Insein, what's MJD's trade value to another team for a 28 year old RB? Who would want him and what teams could he start for where the trade makes sense?

Not sure. Probably not high. But if they are dumping a starting LT for 3rd day picks, they may not care. I would think a 4th or 5th could get mjd. As for who would do that, Pitt maybe but their history shows most likely not. San Diego is another possibility since they are off to a surprising start and Matthews is not very good.Again all just speculation.

At this point Mathews is 10 times better than MJD

I disagree with that. I think mjd is more dynamic and can still produce with a half decent line. Mathews hasn't really shown he can do even that.

Then you havent watched both this year

What I have seen leads me to this conclusion. Mjd still has something but faces 8 and 9 in the box every first down and consistently on second down too. Jags offense runs on 1st and 2nd down more than 75% of the time which makes them immensely predictable. Add in Gabbert offering no threat in the passing game and poor oline play, its easy to see why Mjd is struggling.

Contrast that with Mathews. SD is a pass first offense with a rejuvenated Rivers looking good at QB. Defenses have to respect the pass more than the run game. They pass on 1st down about as much as they run. Yet Mathews routinely misses holes and fails to take advantage.

Just my observations.

Mathews is given the ball on 70% of the plays he's in there. Not sure what you're watching. He looks good. I havent seen many holes when he's in the game. MJD looks slow and plodding to me, his burst looks completely gone.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

FWIW:

@ProFootballTalk: Steelers and Cardinals have agreed to a trade that will send LT Levi Brown. Done deal, pending physical.

 

[LawFitz]

Shorts for a 3rd or later would be great value for some WR needy team. He is Victor Cruz with less fanfare and way worse QBing.

Still can't understand how any team, even a rebuilder would trade a cornerstone lineman for 3rd day picks. How do they expect their next franchise QB to succeed without protection?

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Hey Insein, what's MJD's trade value to another team for a 28 year old RB? Who would want him and what teams could he start for where the trade makes sense?

Not sure. Probably not high. But if they are dumping a starting LT for 3rd day picks, they may not care. I would think a 4th or 5th could get mjd. As for who would do that, Pitt maybe but their history shows most likely not. San Diego is another possibility since they are off to a surprising start and Matthews is not very good.Again all just speculation.

At this point Mathews is 10 times better than MJD

I disagree with that. I think mjd is more dynamic and can still produce with a half decent line. Mathews hasn't really shown he can do even that.

Then you havent watched both this year

What I have seen leads me to this conclusion. Mjd still has something but faces 8 and 9 in the box every first down and consistently on second down too. Jags offense runs on 1st and 2nd down more than 75% of the time which makes them immensely predictable. Add in Gabbert offering no threat in the passing game and poor oline play, its easy to see why Mjd is struggling.

Contrast that with Mathews. SD is a pass first offense with a rejuvenated Rivers looking good at QB. Defenses have to respect the pass more than the run game. They pass on 1st down about as much as they run. Yet Mathews routinely misses holes and fails to take advantage.

Just my observations.

The interior of the line is as bad as it gets. That's the biggest reason why they can't run the ball.

 

[Goldfinger007]

The Monroe trade shouldn't really come as a surprise. By all accounts he didn't want to play RT, which is where he was going to eventually end up since they took Joekel. So it was highly unlikely that they were going to be able to sign him back next year. Might as well go ahead and get something out of him then. Its not like they are going to be able to make a run this year.

 

[Faust]

GM not shopping big-name Jaguars after Monroe dealBy Chris Wesseling

Around the League Writer

The Jacksonville Jaguars' trade of left tackle Eugene Monroe does not portend a mass exodus of the team's biggest names leading up to the Oct. 29 trade deadline.

Although general manager David Caldwell is stockpiling draft picks to build from the ground up, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Wednesday on NFL Network's "Around the League Live" that the Jaguars are not actively shopping the rest of their big-name veterans.

Rapoport did leave a caveat that Jacksonville "would listen -- as any team would -- if the deal is good enough."

The most obvious candidate to generate interest is contract-year bell cow Maurice Jones-Drew, but his trade value is currently at its nadir. Coming off foot surgery, the 28-year-old is averaging a meager 2.4 yards per carry through four games.

The new regime might also entertain offers on overpaid tight end Marcedes Lewis and trouble-prone wide receiver Justin Blackmon. It's worth noting, however, that coach Gus Bradley gushed over Blackmon's commitment and frame of mind this week.

No matter the Jaguars' public stance, it wouldn't surprise us to see any of the previous regime's holdovers dealt in the coming weeks.

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[Run It Up]

Hey Insein, what's MJD's trade value to another team for a 28 year old RB? Who would want him and what teams could he start for where the trade makes sense?

Browns, Cardinals, Giants.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Shorts for a 3rd or later would be great value for some WR needy team. He is Victor Cruz with less fanfare and way worse QBing.

Still can't understand how any team, even a rebuilder would trade a cornerstone lineman for 3rd day picks. How do they expect their next franchise QB to succeed without protection?

I'm not sure how many of you guys follow the nfl, but they took a tackle with the 2nd pick in the draft this year

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Hey Insein, what's MJD's trade value to another team for a 28 year old RB? Who would want him and what teams could he start for where the trade makes sense?

Browns, Cardinals, Giants.

and what would those teams do with him in the last year of his deal, besides pay him 4m?

 

[Run It Up]

Hey Insein, what's MJD's trade value to another team for a 28 year old RB? Who would want him and what teams could he start for where the trade makes sense?

Browns, Cardinals, Giants.

and what would those teams do with him in the last year of his deal, besides pay him 4m?

Run him into the grave.