Colin Dowling
Footballguy
...I'm presuming his NFL draft grade came back a little higher then the 3rd round guffaw I've read here. 
<4.3 forty, here we come...
<4.3 forty, here we come...
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Jamaal Charles entering draft (1 Viewer)
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Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
2nd RB off the board, late 1st rounder
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
yellowdog
Footballguy
You still see him going to Houston?...I'm presuming his NFL draft grade came back a little higher then the 3rd round guffaw I've read here.<4.3 forty, here we come...
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
Stewart will BLOW UP the combine.He will be the Vernon Davis of the combine and will with out a doubt be the #2 RB off the board and hvae the best NFL carear of the class.Mark my words.
Koya
Footballguy
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
That's what I was wondering as well. Especially since I have the #4 rookie pick in one of my drafts. McFadden first, then how do you rank these three now, knowing what you know?
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
He's referring to the jaw-dropping #s Davis put up at the combine.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
McFaddenCharlesStewartMendenhallRice
redman
Footballguy
With each guy, can you draw a current NFL comparison in terms of running style?
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
It's going to be very close between Stewart and Charles, and it wouldn't shock me if they went Stewart/Charles depending on a team's preference...Charles has amazing speed, real 4.2 40 sprinter's speed (4 time track All American - 60m indoor, 100m outdoor, 200m outdoor, 4x100m relay outdoor) and also has good strength (benched 300 lbs, squatted 400 lbs)...Stewart is shorter but bulkier, and is stronger but slower (although no slouch himself)...I'd ultimately call them 2a and 2b, with the speed of Charles tilting it in his favor slightly in my eyes...Jackie Treehorn
Footballguy
Couldn't agree more. He's the most physically gifted runner in this class. Guys see him as a power back because of his weight, but he's got great speed and shiftiness. Dynamite kick returner as a freshman, he was the best running back in this class coming out of high school and I don't see that it's changed now. He'll blow everyone away with the size/speed combo.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I'm not qualified for that, having seen Charles and McFadden SIGNIFICANTLY more then the others (particularly Rice). I will say that Charles runs a lot more like Fred Taylor (remembering him in college) then some of the other comparisons I've seen.
redman
Footballguy
I was at that game. He was very impressive. Has he declared yet? I wasn't sure he had.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I fail to see how Charles at 6'0/210 running a 4.3 or better is going to get blown away by anyone.
Brewzers
Footballguy
Here are EBF's thoughts on this in another thread:http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=7850490
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I think that is a terrible comparison
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
I really think it will be a sub 4.3
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
I don't think much of any of those comparisons...Stewart >>>>>>>> Rudi Johnson from a talent perspective
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Colin,
Sig bet on whether or not Charles is RB2 in the draft?
Sig bet on whether or not Charles is RB2 in the draft?
Jackie Treehorn
Footballguy
I see him a lot more in the Jamal Lewis mold, with less power and more shiftiness.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I do too. He's bound to know that the difference between going in round 2 and mid-round 1 is going to come down to his 40. I realize this has been stated in this thread and others, but it's worth mentioning: Charles is not "fast", he's "one of the 100 fastest people on earth" fast, which is something that seduces NFL scouts like nothing else. I suspect he's in full track training mode right now in an effort to get the most out of his strengths at the NFL workouts.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Depends on the 40 time. Let me add that caveat and you're on.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I think Lewis and Stewart are a much better comparison.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
OK, we'll revisit after the Pro Day.
Jackie Treehorn
Footballguy
I think Charles will do fine at the combine, but if Stewart shows at 230 and runs a 4.35-4.4, shows some agility, and then benches, I think he comes out well ahead of the other RBs. He benches 410, has close to a 39 inch vertical, and has been timed at 4.34 in the forty. Truth be told, I doubt he or Charles will do everything at the combine, but it would be nice to see.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Actually, that's a solid comparison.
JPeso
Footballguy
No. Charles is more inside runner than Portis was in college. Also, Charles runs bigger.
redman
Footballguy
I don't see that based upon the highlights I've seen. Portis is about the last guy who would shy away from contact, and I see a lot of that in Charles too - in fact his hit on AJ Hawk on a INT return reminds me more of Portis than anyone else.
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money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
I think Charles will test the waters and find that he should stay in school another year. Same thing regarding Steve Slaton. Charles also was known to fumble. I just think why go pro and be 2nd rounder when you can stay in school and be a top 20 pick next year. Injury always concern but I think he needs to work on technique holding the ball and pass catching skills. He's a burner no doubt but the NFL isnt a track meet.
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EBF
Footballguy
Well at least we'll get a chance to see if all your hyperbole had a basis in reality. Charles is a good prospect who should go in the top 25-50 on draft day, but I'll be very surprised if he's the second back taken in the draft. The main thing hurting Charles is his lack of ideal size. That's the main reason why I don't see him leapfrogging Stewart and Mendenhall. Those guys can both carry the load. But Charles? Who knows. He's not as bulky.
I agree with other posters who said Jamaal's fast 40 time could get overshadowed by a Jonathan Stewart freakshow in Indianapolis. After watching Stewart's bowl game I'm convinced that he's going to run a sub 4.5 40 time. He's one of the strongest players in the history of Oregon football and has an ideal frame at 5'11" 235 pounds. He is built like an absolute tank and will drop a lot of jaws once people see him up close and personal.
I agree with other posters who said Jamaal's fast 40 time could get overshadowed by a Jonathan Stewart freakshow in Indianapolis. After watching Stewart's bowl game I'm convinced that he's going to run a sub 4.5 40 time. He's one of the strongest players in the history of Oregon football and has an ideal frame at 5'11" 235 pounds. He is built like an absolute tank and will drop a lot of jaws once people see him up close and personal.
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coolnerd
Footballguy
Charles' grade will be all over the place. Teams that value speed and have schemes which allow RBs to operate in open spaces will grade him fairly high. Teams which want a tough inside, dependable runner will look at Charles as a 3rd down/change of pace guy. I will say he does one cut and go more than the stereotype of his size/speed ratio would dictate. Especially, if gets stronger/bigger and learns more ball security the he could be a pleasant surprise as an everydown player. Guessing that he goes in the mid to lower part of the 2nd round at the moment.
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i've started watching Charles on youtube, and his running style seems to remind me of Westbrook. Hes very quick, very shifty, patient, good vision, and he takes the yards hes given. He also goes out of bounds when he finds necessary, which is a 
in my eyes as he avoids being hit and has a good chance of being healthy. Westbrook is much more of a passing threat tho, but if Charles could add that to his repitour(?) i see him having a good career in the NFL.
in my eyes as he avoids being hit and has a good chance of being healthy. Westbrook is much more of a passing threat tho, but if Charles could add that to his repitour(?) i see him having a good career in the NFL.
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ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
what? Portis has ALWAYS been a in the tackles runner from the U to denver to washington. Charles in no away seeks contact like portis did/does. i don't think Great speed will be 'shock and awe' at the draft since the last great speed RB(Reggie) hasn't exactly translated as well as expected- and reggie was suppose to be 'once in a lifetime' talent. Charles has the speed of reggie but not the shiftiness or receiving ability to boot as well. the Michael Bennet comparison is too cruel,lol
EBF
Footballguy
Charles may be faster than Bush, but I agree with your general point.Most of the best RBs in the NFL are 4.4 to 4.5 guys, so speed is really only one component of the total package that makes an elite professional runner. The public tends to put far too much emphasis on 40 times without realizing that football is a game of quickness and strength as much as it's a game of pure speed.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Stewart reminds me of a young TJ Duckett.
I'm taking Mendenhall all day and all night as the #2 RB. (if he declares and after McFadden I believe he's the 2nd most ready NFL RB prospect) . There's no telling what Charles will run at the combine. If he's off the charts, some team go after him early.
I'm taking Mendenhall all day and all night as the #2 RB. (if he declares and after McFadden I believe he's the 2nd most ready NFL RB prospect) . There's no telling what Charles will run at the combine. If he's off the charts, some team go after him early.
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mightyeskimo
Footballguy
Sportsline lists him at 6'1" 205. Splitting hairs I know and I'm sure we all wait to see what he actually measures in at the combine.
redman
Footballguy
That's not a good comparison. Stewart is smaller (though not small), faster, quicker making cuts and is a better receiver.
Balco
Footballguy
That is actually one of the worst comparisons I have heard. Ducket coming out of Michigan State was a linebacker playing tailback. He broke through arm tackles because he was bigger than everybody. He had horrible instincts and no cutting ability.
Favre 2 Jennings
Footballguy
The bolded part made me curious. I looked up his stats and they state that he didn't have a single fumble his entire college career. Since i don't watch that many college games could you please explain why you come up with a fumble issue ?! Your insight would be appreciated.
coolnerd
Footballguy
Charles had a well documented fumbling problem. He improved as the season went on, but holding on to the ball has been a major concern. From Longhorn/Austin sites.The bolded part made me curious. I looked up his stats and they state that he didn't have a single fumble his entire college career. Since i don't watch that many college games could you please explain why you come up with a fumble issue ?! Your insight would be appreciated.
http://www.burntorangenation.com/story/2007/10/9/95156/0686
http://www.statesman.com/horns/content/spo...eatwriters.html
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Favre 2 Jennings
Footballguy
Thanks coolnerd. 
I am just wondering why ESPN doesn't state this on his stat page.
Jamaal Charles stat page
I am just wondering why ESPN doesn't state this on his stat page.
Jamaal Charles stat page
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
typical ESPN. They added fumbles this year, but they all have zeros.Thanks coolnerd.
I am just wondering why ESPN doesn't state this on his stat page.
Jamaal Charles stat page
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Tear these apart
Felix Jones--> Brian Westbrook
Rashard Mendenhall--> Ahman Green (Nebraska)
Jonathan Stewart--> Jamal Anderson (though I like the Jamal Lewis one too, but stewart can catch!)
Jamal Charles--> Tatum Bell (explantion below)
*Before you jump on me hear it out. I think the Portis comparison is a bit overblown. I simply don't see Charles Having the success that portis had running between the tackles. He's also has a huge negative against him in his passblocking, which IMO has never been on par with some of the other prospects. Off the bat, he will have to become more physical or risk losing crucial playing time. Ball handling has also been an issue in the past.
What it boils down to is the fact he is nowhere near the prospect CP was coming out of Miami. Does Charles have good potential as a runner? Of course. He could be a very viable one-cut ZBS back. But he's simply not Portis. At least, not yet. I think his effectiveness in other schemes will be limited because it magnifies what he does not do well and as a result, he may lose some significant PT early on.
Felix Jones--> Brian Westbrook
Rashard Mendenhall--> Ahman Green (Nebraska)
Jonathan Stewart--> Jamal Anderson (though I like the Jamal Lewis one too, but stewart can catch!)
Jamal Charles--> Tatum Bell (explantion below)
*Before you jump on me hear it out. I think the Portis comparison is a bit overblown. I simply don't see Charles Having the success that portis had running between the tackles. He's also has a huge negative against him in his passblocking, which IMO has never been on par with some of the other prospects. Off the bat, he will have to become more physical or risk losing crucial playing time. Ball handling has also been an issue in the past.
What it boils down to is the fact he is nowhere near the prospect CP was coming out of Miami. Does Charles have good potential as a runner? Of course. He could be a very viable one-cut ZBS back. But he's simply not Portis. At least, not yet. I think his effectiveness in other schemes will be limited because it magnifies what he does not do well and as a result, he may lose some significant PT early on.
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