JAMAAL CHARLES = THE TRUTH (1 Viewer)

[scott72]

trust me when i say i love his talent as much as anyone. unfortunately in fantasy football, touches are the deciding factor. Take a good hard look at jonathan stewart if u need another example.

. Charles is the closest thing to Chris Johnson in this league....easily.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

Sell high time on Charles. Minus the big run, he had 10 carries for 36 yards. There will be weeks when he has no big run and those are his numbers.

 

[footballsavvy]

Sell high time on Charles. Minus the big run, he had 10 carries for 36 yards. There will be weeks when he has no big run and those are his numbers.

Yea yea. Same story last year. Of course there will be those weeks, but this is 10 in a row without it. Not too shabby. Every week last season I would get told the same things with CJ. If it wasn't for his 86 yard TD run he would hvae only had 70 yards on 20 carries..... yea, well he got that long TD run, just like last week and the week before that, and that, and that, and that....People denying his talent are just arguing for the sake of arguing. If you want to argue his viability based on his limited touches, then that's a different story. Its a good debate, but until he lets me down (again, 10 weeks in a row and counting) I'm putting him in.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

Sell high time on Charles. Minus the big run, he had 10 carries for 36 yards. There will be weeks when he has no big run and those are his numbers.

Yea yea. Same story last year. Of course there will be those weeks, but this is 10 in a row without it. Not too shabby. Every week last season I would get told the same things with CJ. If it wasn't for his 86 yard TD run he would hvae only had 70 yards on 20 carries..... yea, well he got that long TD run, just like last week and the week before that, and that, and that, and that....People denying his talent are just arguing for the sake of arguing. If you want to argue his viability based on his limited touches, then that's a different story. Its a good debate, but until he lets me down (again, 10 weeks in a row and counting) I'm putting him in.

I am arguing his viability based on limited touches. There is a big difference between 10 and 20 carries. Many weeks he won't even get 10 carries if the chiefs fall behind early.

 

[TeamSnooki]

For the Haters

I'm riding the Jamaal Charles Train as long as I can. Just hope Haley doesn't derail me.

 

[footballsavvy]

trust me when i say i love his talent as much as anyone. unfortunately in fantasy football, touches are the deciding factor. Take a good hard look at jonathan stewart if u need another example.

. Charles is the closest thing to Chris Johnson in this league....easily.

Obviously he's the closest thing to Chris Johnson. No one else even comes close to his style. The are very similar size. They both boast elite speed. They both typically get most of their yards on a couple of big plays. They both average around 6 ypc. The main difference is that CJ gets a lot more touches on a better team. No one is saying that Charles is better than CJ, just that he's the closest thing to CJ. Why this requires any elaboration at all is beyond me.

 

[DesertDawg]

Sell high time on Charles. Minus the big run, he had 10 carries for 36 yards. There will be weeks when he has no big run and those are his numbers.

Yea yea. Same story last year. Of course there will be those weeks, but this is 10 in a row without it. Not too shabby. Every week last season I would get told the same things with CJ. If it wasn't for his 86 yard TD run he would hvae only had 70 yards on 20 carries..... yea, well he got that long TD run, just like last week and the week before that, and that, and that, and that....People denying his talent are just arguing for the sake of arguing. If you want to argue his viability based on his limited touches, then that's a different story. Its a good debate, but until he lets me down (again, 10 weeks in a row and counting) I'm putting him in.

I am arguing his viability based on limited touches. There is a big difference between 10 and 20 carries. Many weeks he won't even get 10 carries if the chiefs fall behind early.

If the cheifs fall behind early he'll most likely get MORE touches...TJ isnt game changer like Charles

 

[ghawk]

Sell high time on Charles. Minus the big run, he had 10 carries for 36 yards. There will be weeks when he has no big run and those are his numbers.

Yea yea. Same story last year. Of course there will be those weeks, but this is 10 in a row without it. Not too shabby. Every week last season I would get told the same things with CJ. If it wasn't for his 86 yard TD run he would hvae only had 70 yards on 20 carries..... yea, well he got that long TD run, just like last week and the week before that, and that, and that, and that....People denying his talent are just arguing for the sake of arguing. If you want to argue his viability based on his limited touches, then that's a different story. Its a good debate, but until he lets me down (again, 10 weeks in a row and counting) I'm putting him in.

I am arguing his viability based on limited touches. There is a big difference between 10 and 20 carries. Many weeks he won't even get 10 carries if the chiefs fall behind early.

I tend to agree with Babu Bhatt2. I have Charles on my team and I'm thinking of selling him high. His talent is undeniable, but touching the ball only 11 times tonight is something I'm not too comfortable with. If Haley was smart it should be a 70/30 split in favor of Charles. I'm expecting my #2 RB to get more than 11 touches and with Haley this is unlikely.

 

[footballsavvy]

Sell high time on Charles. Minus the big run, he had 10 carries for 36 yards. There will be weeks when he has no big run and those are his numbers.

Yea yea. Same story last year. Of course there will be those weeks, but this is 10 in a row without it. Not too shabby. Every week last season I would get told the same things with CJ. If it wasn't for his 86 yard TD run he would hvae only had 70 yards on 20 carries..... yea, well he got that long TD run, just like last week and the week before that, and that, and that, and that....People denying his talent are just arguing for the sake of arguing. If you want to argue his viability based on his limited touches, then that's a different story. Its a good debate, but until he lets me down (again, 10 weeks in a row and counting) I'm putting him in.

I am arguing his viability based on limited touches. There is a big difference between 10 and 20 carries. Many weeks he won't even get 10 carries if the chiefs fall behind early.

That's fine, but tell me who you are starting over him that you drafted in the 3rd-4th round? Anyone who didn't like him going in, didn't draft him. People who did like him, got him in the 3rd round or later. Thus I am deciding between him, Best, Bradshaw, etc. If you happen to have Foster and Charles on your roster, I'm with you. By all means plug in Foster and don't look back. He finished top 10 this week. Some of the names ahead of him.... Forte, Best , Hightower, McCoy, PT, Ronnie Brown.... some of the names below him... MJD, ADP, Gore, Sjax, Moreno, Benson, Addai, etc. Again, bench him if you want, but he has been in the top 5 more than half of his last 10 games and in the top 10 in all 10 of his last 10 games.

 

[BAY_AREA_GIANT]

I am arguing his viability based on limited touches. There is a big difference between 10 and 20 carries. Many weeks he won't even get 10 carries if the chiefs fall behind early.

How many games do you see in their schedule that you could confidently say they will fall behind early? I personally thought San Diego was one of them, but he seemed to do okay tonight.

 

[Casting Couch]

trust me when i say i love his talent as much as anyone. unfortunately in fantasy football, touches are the deciding factor. Take a good hard look at jonathan stewart if u need another example.

This makes zero sense. Stewart is obviously second fiddle to DWill, while Jamaal is clearly the starting RB in KC, and always a threat to break it bigtime.

 

[The Jacket]

Sell high time on Charles. Minus the big run, he had 10 carries for 36 yards. There will be weeks when he has no big run and those are his numbers.

You should quit while you're behind and move on. You know how sometimes you're just wrong about something? You'll figure it out sooner or later. Might as well make it sooner.Charles won't have this few touches, in this bad conditions, for the rest of the entire year. 12 touches and the dude still puts up 100-odd yards and a TD, and the detractors "sell high." Come on, fella. At least wait until he drops 150/2 on the Browns before you sell a top 3-5 talent "high." (What's your definition of high, anyway? Some plodder like Ryan Grant who gets -- and needs -- 25 touches, and a few other scrubs?)

 

[Vicktimized]

Anyone think the rain contributed to Weis and Haley riding TJ so much on early downs (ie, roll with the mudder)? Or is that just wishful thinking...

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Sell high time on Charles. Minus the big run, he had 10 carries for 36 yards. There will be weeks when he has no big run and those are his numbers.

Why do people insist on using this flawed "logic"?

 

[The Jacket]

Anyone think the rain contributed to Weis and Haley riding TJ so much on early downs (ie, roll with the mudder)? Or is that just wishful thinking...

Absolutely what I was thinking the whole time. On the other side, it's why the Chargers kept banging it up the gut with Matthews and their FB. Nothing to the outside, and they didn't want to pass much until they had to, really. For all of Charles' talent and positive attributes, the one thing he's had some trouble with is fumbling. In a game like that, with the weather as it was, I can understand going with the veteran, a guy who doesn't fumble and generally always gets you positive yards, even if it's not many. I will only worry if Charles doesn't get the ball when KC is losing, or when they're in a tight game and there's NO reason for Jones to be getting it more. The situation always plays a big factor. Look at Sproles being in on so many plays at the end for SD. Frustrating to Matthews owners, I'm sure, but that's what the Chargers coaches have to do.

 

[bryan215]

Charles will carry the ball 18 times or more in less than 5 games.

Haley is a moron, if you truly believe in your stud #1 RB...you don't name a old on his last legs geezer the starter in pre-season and then even to start the season following a terrible pre-season.

He's in his final year...and he's not going to cause a stir due to lack of carries. Do you really think they want him have a Chris Johnson type year and then having to pay him one of the highest contracts for a RB?

They'll be splitting carries all year...Look for 60/40 split in almost every game

 

[metoo]

Where are all those who told us Charles supporters how Thomas Jones was the man and Charles was over-rated now????Come on in here haters, and eat some crowJamaal Charles = BEAST....

While i agree that J.C is far and away a better talent than T.J and that the haters are just blinded by there own ignorance i think coming on here and telling people to eat crow isnt the way to get your point across...lmao I believe that by the 4th game of the year J.C will be the primary RB ...and T.J will spell him and MAYBE be the goaline back...but when J.C can score from his own end zone who cares ...hahahaha

Charles is the real deal and I also traded for him in every league I could.

 

[ponchsox]

Charles carries can only go up at this point, right? He should post #1 RB numbers even with 15 touches per game.

 

[metoo]

Sell high time on Charles. Minus the big run, he had 10 carries for 36 yards. There will be weeks when he has no big run and those are his numbers.

Yea yea. Same story last year. Of course there will be those weeks, but this is 10 in a row without it. Not too shabby. Every week last season I would get told the same things with CJ. If it wasn't for his 86 yard TD run he would hvae only had 70 yards on 20 carries..... yea, well he got that long TD run, just like last week and the week before that, and that, and that, and that....People denying his talent are just arguing for the sake of arguing. If you want to argue his viability based on his limited touches, then that's a different story. Its a good debate, but until he lets me down (again, 10 weeks in a row and counting) I'm putting him in.

I am arguing his viability based on limited touches. There is a big difference between 10 and 20 carries. Many weeks he won't even get 10 carries if the chiefs fall behind early.

I tend to agree with Babu Bhatt2. I have Charles on my team and I'm thinking of selling him high. His talent is undeniable, but touching the ball only 11 times tonight is something I'm not too comfortable with. If Haley was smart it should be a 70/30 split in favor of Charles. I'm expecting my #2 RB to get more than 11 touches and with Haley this is unlikely.

If you trade Charles now you are going to regret it.

 

[Tanner9919]

Sell high time on Charles. Minus the big run, he had 10 carries for 36 yards. There will be weeks when he has no big run and those are his numbers.

Yea yea. Same story last year. Of course there will be those weeks, but this is 10 in a row without it. Not too shabby. Every week last season I would get told the same things with CJ. If it wasn't for his 86 yard TD run he would hvae only had 70 yards on 20 carries..... yea, well he got that long TD run, just like last week and the week before that, and that, and that, and that....People denying his talent are just arguing for the sake of arguing. If you want to argue his viability based on his limited touches, then that's a different story. Its a good debate, but until he lets me down (again, 10 weeks in a row and counting) I'm putting him in.

I am arguing his viability based on limited touches. There is a big difference between 10 and 20 carries. Many weeks he won't even get 10 carries if the chiefs fall behind early.

I tend to agree with Babu Bhatt2. I have Charles on my team and I'm thinking of selling him high. His talent is undeniable, but touching the ball only 11 times tonight is something I'm not too comfortable with. If Haley was smart it should be a 70/30 split in favor of Charles. I'm expecting my #2 RB to get more than 11 touches and with Haley this is unlikely.

sooo..you're selling J. Charles after just one week, the very first week of the season? that's it, 11 carries and I'm outta here?? wish you were in my league ..Charles is going to post RB top 10 numbers this season..go ahead, trade him...this is a typical Guppie move, a knee-jerk reaction to the first week of the season..

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Jamaal Charles rushed 11 times for 92 yards and a touchdown and caught one pass for 8 yards in Monday's 21-14 win against the Chargers.

Thomas Jones got the start, and appeared to play more snaps. That being said, Charles showed why he's the NFL's most explosive back aside from Chris Johnson, ripping off a 56 yard touchdown run. Coach Todd Haley should be warming up to the idea of trusting Charles, so look for more carries to come his way next week against Cleveland.

per rotoworld

 

[ghawk]

Sell high time on Charles. Minus the big run, he had 10 carries for 36 yards. There will be weeks when he has no big run and those are his numbers.

Yea yea. Same story last year. Of course there will be those weeks, but this is 10 in a row without it. Not too shabby. Every week last season I would get told the same things with CJ. If it wasn't for his 86 yard TD run he would hvae only had 70 yards on 20 carries..... yea, well he got that long TD run, just like last week and the week before that, and that, and that, and that....People denying his talent are just arguing for the sake of arguing. If you want to argue his viability based on his limited touches, then that's a different story. Its a good debate, but until he lets me down (again, 10 weeks in a row and counting) I'm putting him in.

I am arguing his viability based on limited touches. There is a big difference between 10 and 20 carries. Many weeks he won't even get 10 carries if the chiefs fall behind early.

I tend to agree with Babu Bhatt2. I have Charles on my team and I'm thinking of selling him high. His talent is undeniable, but touching the ball only 11 times tonight is something I'm not too comfortable with. If Haley was smart it should be a 70/30 split in favor of Charles. I'm expecting my #2 RB to get more than 11 touches and with Haley this is unlikely.

sooo..you're selling J. Charles after just one week, the very first week of the season? that's it, 11 carries and I'm outta here?? wish you were in my league ..Charles is going to post RB top 10 numbers this season..go ahead, trade him...this is a typical Guppie move, a knee-jerk reaction to the first week of the season..

I said I was thinking of it buddy and this would only happen if I received some great value back for him! Like I said I l luv Jamaal's talent, I am just questioning the number of touches he received because of that moron Haley!

 

[Bayhawks]

Sell high time on Charles. Minus the big run, he had 10 carries for 36 yards. There will be weeks when he has no big run and those are his numbers.

It would also be a good idea to sell on Chris Johnson; without his long TD run, he had 26 carries for 66 yards. There will be weeks when he has no big run and those are his numbers.Ditto Mendenhall; without his OT TD run, he had 21 carries for 70 yards. There will be weeks when he has no big run and those are his numbers.Might want to get rid of Forte; without his two long TD receptions, he had 17 carries for 50 yards & 5 catches for 34 yards. There will be weeks when he has no big receptions and those are his numbers.Oh, BTW

 

[B. Nugget]

Here is the thing about Charles...

He is the perfect home-run hitting CHANGE OF PACE back. There is no doubting his talent, speed, elusiveness, etc... but if he doesn't get the touches of a workhorse, you are getting a speed back playing in a power running game.

TJ does the heavy hitting, wearing out the defenses with his 3-4 yds per carry and Charles adds the sizzle.

This is of course why some of us were saying not to draft him in the 2nd round as your RB1, but if you could get him later, you could get a steal because of his big play potential.

Nothing has changed, except the guys that overpaid for him came here to pat themselves on the back that he broke a long TD.

 

[sho nuff]

Sell high time on Charles. Minus the big run, he had 10 carries for 36 yards. There will be weeks when he has no big run and those are his numbers.

Yea yea. Same story last year. Of course there will be those weeks, but this is 10 in a row without it. Not too shabby. Every week last season I would get told the same things with CJ. If it wasn't for his 86 yard TD run he would hvae only had 70 yards on 20 carries..... yea, well he got that long TD run, just like last week and the week before that, and that, and that, and that....People denying his talent are just arguing for the sake of arguing. If you want to argue his viability based on his limited touches, then that's a different story. Its a good debate, but until he lets me down (again, 10 weeks in a row and counting) I'm putting him in.

I am arguing his viability based on limited touches. There is a big difference between 10 and 20 carries. Many weeks he won't even get 10 carries if the chiefs fall behind early.

Thing is...Charles is pretty good at catching the ball out of the backfield too and may very well be in there when they get down early.

 

[C-Bound]

Is this thread still unlocked?

 

[dirtywaters20]

Charles will carry the ball 18 times or more in less than 5 games.

Haley is a moron, if you truly believe in your stud #1 RB...you don't name a old on his last legs geezer the starter in pre-season and then even to start the season following a terrible pre-season.

He's in his final year...and he's not going to cause a stir due to lack of carries. Do you really think they want him have a Chris Johnson type year and then having to pay him one of the highest contracts for a RB? They'll be splitting carries all year...Look for 60/40 split in almost every game

If Haley is concerned about his own coaching mortality then the answer is a definitive YES. Do you honestly think he's more concerned about the financial ramifications of Charles turning in a historic performance than he is about putting his team in the best position to win games? C'mon Man.

 

[switz]

Sweetness=Switz?Awful stuff.

Huh? WTF would make you think that?

 

[nlgb1]

Sell high time on Charles. Minus the big run, he had 10 carries for 36 yards. There will be weeks when he has no big run and those are his numbers.

if its fair to take away his big run then its fair to take out his -6 run when he got avalanched ----> 9car 42yds ---->4.6ypc

 

[latrops]

While I am disappointed that he didn't get significantly more touches and that TJ split almost 50-50, it really wasn't that bad. I only expected 15 or so carries and 18-20 total touches. He got less, but it wasn't as though the offense was clicking. A couple more 3rd down conversions and a little help from the passing game and things could have been better. TJ, though he started, did less with his carries and had a slightly smaller share of the workload. Things aren't ideal, but they are OK right now.

 

[latrops]

Charles will carry the ball 18 times or more in less than 5 games.

Haley is a moron, if you truly believe in your stud #1 RB...you don't name a old on his last legs geezer the starter in pre-season and then even to start the season following a terrible pre-season.

He's in his final year...and he's not going to cause a stir due to lack of carries. Do you really think they want him have a Chris Johnson type year and then having to pay him one of the highest contracts for a RB? They'll be splitting carries all year...Look for 60/40 split in almost every game

If Haley is concerned about his own coaching mortality then the answer is a definitive YES. Do you honestly think he's more concerned about the financial ramifications of Charles turning in a historic performance than he is about putting his team in the best position to win games? C'mon Man.

Seriously? Of course the Chiefs want Charles to have a huge season. They should want everyone on the team to have a huge season. Figure out the financial ramifications after the fact. Charles is still young...it's OK to give a young player a huge contract when he has earned it. It's the 29 year old free agent rb that just put up 2,000 plus yards that is tough to deal with. You want to pay for current and future production, not past production.

 

[Rick James]

Here is the thing about Charles...

He is the perfect home-run hitting CHANGE OF PACE back. There is no doubting his talent, speed, elusiveness, etc... but if he doesn't get the touches of a workhorse, you are getting a speed back playing in a power running game.

TJ does the heavy hitting, wearing out the defenses with his 3-4 yds per carry and Charles adds the sizzle.

This is of course why some of us were saying not to draft him in the 2nd round as your RB1, but if you could get him later, you could get a steal because of his big play potential.

Nothing has changed, except the guys that overpaid for him came here to pat themselves on the back that he broke a long TD.

Charles couldn't pick up the 3-4 yards that Jones gets?

 

[Mainevent]

Sell high time on Charles. Minus the big run, he had 10 carries for 36 yards. There will be weeks when he has no big run and those are his numbers.

if its fair to take away his big run then its fair to take out his -6 run when he got avalanched ----> 9car 42yds ---->4.6ypc

I dunno, I personally just count his first two runs, 2 - 60, 30 ypc... and a TD. Picking cherries is fun.

 

[scott72]

Him and TJ are going to split carries all year until someone gets hurt. If you're happy with 10-15 carries a game then by all means ride the JC train. I think the Chiefs overachieved last night, mainly due to the weather, and will be behind a lot this season. If it was me I'd trade high. Just sayin..

 

[Mainevent]

Him and TJ are going to split carries all year until someone gets hurt. If you're happy with 10-15 carries a game then by all means ride the JC train. I think the Chiefs overachieved last night, mainly due to the weather, and will be behind a lot this season. If it was me I'd trade high. Just sayin..

Pretty sure they played from behind most of last year... if you don't like the guy, not much anyone is going to say to change that.

 

[B. Nugget]

Here is the thing about Charles...

He is the perfect home-run hitting CHANGE OF PACE back. There is no doubting his talent, speed, elusiveness, etc... but if he doesn't get the touches of a workhorse, you are getting a speed back playing in a power running game.

TJ does the heavy hitting, wearing out the defenses with his 3-4 yds per carry and Charles adds the sizzle.

This is of course why some of us were saying not to draft him in the 2nd round as your RB1, but if you could get him later, you could get a steal because of his big play potential.

Nothing has changed, except the guys that overpaid for him came here to pat themselves on the back that he broke a long TD.

Charles couldn't pick up the 3-4 yards that Jones gets?

Probably, but the coaches have said they will run with the hot hand...are you going to base your season on Todd Haley's coachspeak? Again, nobody is doubting JC's talent, but it is not an open and shut case for him to get RB1 touches. He didn't touch the ball for almost the whole 1st quarter, hell he didn't even see the field until his 2 runs and the TD...while TJ doesn't do anything great, he helps them control the clock and doesn't turn it over and that is what KC wants at RB.

 

[B. Nugget]

Here is the thing about Charles...

He is the perfect home-run hitting CHANGE OF PACE back. There is no doubting his talent, speed, elusiveness, etc... but if he doesn't get the touches of a workhorse, you are getting a speed back playing in a power running game.

TJ does the heavy hitting, wearing out the defenses with his 3-4 yds per carry and Charles adds the sizzle.

This is of course why some of us were saying not to draft him in the 2nd round as your RB1, but if you could get him later, you could get a steal because of his big play potential.

Nothing has changed, except the guys that overpaid for him came here to pat themselves on the back that he broke a long TD.

Charles couldn't pick up the 3-4 yards that Jones gets?

Probably, but the coaches have said they will run with the hot hand...are you going to base your season on Todd Haley's coachspeak? Again, nobody is doubting JC's talent, but it is not an open and shut case for him to get RB1 touches. He didn't touch the ball for almost the whole 1st quarter, hell he didn't even see the field until his 2 runs and the TD...while TJ doesn't do anything great, he helps them control the clock and doesn't turn it over and that is what KC wants at RB.

For full disclosure, how many of you own Charles?

I had him in a keeper league and traded him this off-season because it was fairly obvious that he wasn't going to get the touches needed to live up to his hype. I sold high, but as a Chiefs fan, I hope he blows up and we go to the Super Bowl.

 

[Pnishthm]

Here is the thing about Charles...

He is the perfect home-run hitting CHANGE OF PACE back. There is no doubting his talent, speed, elusiveness, etc... but if he doesn't get the touches of a workhorse, you are getting a speed back playing in a power running game.

TJ does the heavy hitting, wearing out the defenses with his 3-4 yds per carry and Charles adds the sizzle.

This is of course why some of us were saying not to draft him in the 2nd round as your RB1, but if you could get him later, you could get a steal because of his big play potential.

Nothing has changed, except the guys that overpaid for him came here to pat themselves on the back that he broke a long TD.

Charles couldn't pick up the 3-4 yards that Jones gets?

Jones couldn't pick up the 3-4 yards that Jones gets

 

[gianmarco]

Here is the thing about Charles...

He is the perfect home-run hitting CHANGE OF PACE back. There is no doubting his talent, speed, elusiveness, etc... but if he doesn't get the touches of a workhorse, you are getting a speed back playing in a power running game.

TJ does the heavy hitting, wearing out the defenses with his 3-4 yds per carry and Charles adds the sizzle.

This is of course why some of us were saying not to draft him in the 2nd round as your RB1, but if you could get him later, you could get a steal because of his big play potential.

Nothing has changed, except the guys that overpaid for him came here to pat themselves on the back that he broke a long TD.

Charles couldn't pick up the 3-4 yards that Jones gets?

Probably, but the coaches have said they will run with the hot hand...are you going to base your season on Todd Haley's coachspeak? Again, nobody is doubting JC's talent, but it is not an open and shut case for him to get RB1 touches. He didn't touch the ball for almost the whole 1st quarter, hell he didn't even see the field until his 2 runs and the TD...while TJ doesn't do anything great, he helps them control the clock and doesn't turn it over and that is what KC wants at RB.

For full disclosure, how many of you own Charles?

I had him in a keeper league and traded him this off-season because it was fairly obvious that he wasn't going to get the touches needed to live up to his hype. I sold high, but as a Chiefs fan, I hope he blows up and we go to the Super Bowl.

Why does it matter who owns Charles?

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Be patient.

Jones will have a role, but the game broke KC's way in every way they needed and at the end of the day, without the Charles 56 yard TD, they scored 7 points on offense which culminated an impressive 12 yard drive <sarcasm off>. Cassel looks pedestrian at best and Charles is the one explosive aspect of their offense they can depend on. He'll get his.

 

[B. Nugget]

Here is the thing about Charles...

He is the perfect home-run hitting CHANGE OF PACE back. There is no doubting his talent, speed, elusiveness, etc... but if he doesn't get the touches of a workhorse, you are getting a speed back playing in a power running game.

TJ does the heavy hitting, wearing out the defenses with his 3-4 yds per carry and Charles adds the sizzle.

This is of course why some of us were saying not to draft him in the 2nd round as your RB1, but if you could get him later, you could get a steal because of his big play potential.

Nothing has changed, except the guys that overpaid for him came here to pat themselves on the back that he broke a long TD.

Charles couldn't pick up the 3-4 yards that Jones gets?

Probably, but the coaches have said they will run with the hot hand...are you going to base your season on Todd Haley's coachspeak? Again, nobody is doubting JC's talent, but it is not an open and shut case for him to get RB1 touches. He didn't touch the ball for almost the whole 1st quarter, hell he didn't even see the field until his 2 runs and the TD...while TJ doesn't do anything great, he helps them control the clock and doesn't turn it over and that is what KC wants at RB.

For full disclosure, how many of you own Charles?

I had him in a keeper league and traded him this off-season because it was fairly obvious that he wasn't going to get the touches needed to live up to his hype. I sold high, but as a Chiefs fan, I hope he blows up and we go to the Super Bowl.

Why does it matter who owns Charles?

Because this thread looks very similar to the "why doesn't Dallas trade Felix if they aren't going to use him" thread from yesterday full of disgruntled Felix owners.Jaded view points based on who you own on your dynasty team is pretty much the epitome of pissing in the shark pool, correct?

 

[Casting Couch]

trust me when i say i love his talent as much as anyone. unfortunately in fantasy football, touches are the deciding factor. Take a good hard look at jonathan stewart if u need another example.

. Charles is the closest thing to Chris Johnson in this league....easily.

Obviously he's the closest thing to Chris Johnson. No one else even comes close to his style. The are very similar size. They both boast elite speed. They both typically get most of their yards on a couple of big plays. They both average around 6 ypc. The main difference is that CJ gets a lot more touches on a better team. No one is saying that Charles is better than CJ, just that he's the closest thing to CJ. Why this requires any elaboration at all is beyond me.

Thank you.

 

[The Jacket]

Him and TJ are going to split carries all year until someone gets hurt. If you're happy with 10-15 carries a game then by all means ride the JC train. I think the Chiefs overachieved last night, mainly due to the weather, and will be behind a lot this season. If it was me I'd trade high. Just sayin..

Dude, the BEST thing for Charles owners is for the Chiefs to get behind, not ahead like they did yesterday.If the Chiefs get behind, Charles will get more opportunities in the passing game, and he's sick on those runs out of spread/4-wide/shotgun formations.

 

[theplayer11]

I agree..behind means more passes out of the back field and more draws for easy 10-12 yards and always a chance for the biggie

 

[gianmarco]

Jaded view points based on who you own on your dynasty team is pretty much the epitome of pissing in the shark pool, correct?

Incorrect. This is one of the most commonly stated fallacies here and I don't understand why that is.Explain to me which is more likely:1) I drafted/acquired Jamaal Charles without knowing much about him and THEN decided to like the guyor2) I like Jamaal Charles and THEN drafted/acquired the guy?The people we get on our fantasy teams are people we believe in. Feeling strongly about Charles and owning him on your team does not make you "biased". It makes you a competent owner. I'd be much less inclined to trust someone that is spouting how wonderful Charles is but doesn't actually work on getting him on their team. In other words, "put your money where your mouth is". I've been a Charles fan and have stated so pretty clearly on these boards for a while now and I actually backed that up by going out and acquiring him on as many teams as I could. If I somehow wasn't able to get him on my team, does that mean I'm more credible than if I was successful in doing so even though I still feel the same way? It's complete nonsense to think that just because a player is on one's team that it means an owner is biased because it ignores the most common sense reason of how he got there in the first place.Is your fantasy team comprised of players you like or dislike? If it's players you like, did you like them BEFORE or AFTER they made it on your team? Once you answer that question (honestly), then you might start to understand that if someone is a fan of Charles and also owns them on their team, they are no more biased than a non-Charles owner. In fact, it's the non-Charles owners that bash the guy that I'm a little less likely to pay attention to. Why is that? Because I follow players that I actually own more closely than players I don't and I can assure you that I probably have paid more attention to Charles than guys who don't own him on any of their teams with the exception of KC fans who follow their team closely.

 

[Todem]

Sell high time on Charles. Minus the big run, he had 10 carries for 36 yards. There will be weeks when he has no big run and those are his numbers.

Oh brother. Join my leagues please.

 

[Sweetness_34]

While I am disappointed that he didn't get significantly more touches and that TJ split almost 50-50, it really wasn't that bad. I only expected 15 or so carries and 18-20 total touches. He got less, but it wasn't as though the offense was clicking. A couple more 3rd down conversions and a little help from the passing game and things could have been better. TJ, though he started, did less with his carries and had a slightly smaller share of the workload. Things aren't ideal, but they are OK right now.

One more thing, when you get a kick off return for a TD, you ge less opportunities on offense.

 

[hxperson]

Jaded view points based on who you own on your dynasty team is pretty much the epitome of pissing in the shark pool, correct?

Incorrect. This is one of the most commonly stated fallacies here and I don't understand why that is.Explain to me which is more likely:1) I drafted/acquired Jamaal Charles without knowing much about him and THEN decided to like the guyor2) I like Jamaal Charles and THEN drafted/acquired the guy?The people we get on our fantasy teams are people we believe in. Feeling strongly about Charles and owning him on your team does not make you "biased". It makes you a competent owner. I'd be much less inclined to trust someone that is spouting how wonderful Charles is but doesn't actually work on getting him on their team. In other words, "put your money where your mouth is". I've been a Charles fan and have stated so pretty clearly on these boards for a while now and I actually backed that up by going out and acquiring him on as many teams as I could. If I somehow wasn't able to get him on my team, does that mean I'm more credible than if I was successful in doing so even though I still feel the same way? It's complete nonsense to think that just because a player is on one's team that it means an owner is biased because it ignores the most common sense reason of how he got there in the first place.Is your fantasy team comprised of players you like or dislike? If it's players you like, did you like them BEFORE or AFTER they made it on your team? Once you answer that question (honestly), then you might start to understand that if someone is a fan of Charles and also owns them on their team, they are no more biased than a non-Charles owner. In fact, it's the non-Charles owners that bash the guy that I'm a little less likely to pay attention to. Why is that? Because I follow players that I actually own more closely than players I don't and I can assure you that I probably have paid more attention to Charles than guys who don't own him on any of their teams with the exception of KC fans who follow their team closely.

Non-owners are just as biased as owners (unless they are fans of the team), because they would want to see someone they don't own do poorly.

 

[scott72]

Him and TJ are going to split carries all year until someone gets hurt. If you're happy with 10-15 carries a game then by all means ride the JC train. I think the Chiefs overachieved last night, mainly due to the weather, and will be behind a lot this season. If it was me I'd trade high. Just sayin..

Pretty sure they played from behind most of last year... if you don't like the guy, not much anyone is going to say to change that.

I never said I didn't like the guy. It's all about touches and game situations. If a team consistently plays from behind, the touches are limited. Throw in a RBBC on top of that, and JC's upside is limited. That's all.

 

[scott72]

Jaded view points based on who you own on your dynasty team is pretty much the epitome of pissing in the shark pool, correct?

Incorrect. This is one of the most commonly stated fallacies here and I don't understand why that is.Explain to me which is more likely:1) I drafted/acquired Jamaal Charles without knowing much about him and THEN decided to like the guyor2) I like Jamaal Charles and THEN drafted/acquired the guy?The people we get on our fantasy teams are people we believe in. Feeling strongly about Charles and owning him on your team does not make you "biased". It makes you a competent owner. I'd be much less inclined to trust someone that is spouting how wonderful Charles is but doesn't actually work on getting him on their team. In other words, "put your money where your mouth is". I've been a Charles fan and have stated so pretty clearly on these boards for a while now and I actually backed that up by going out and acquiring him on as many teams as I could. If I somehow wasn't able to get him on my team, does that mean I'm more credible than if I was successful in doing so even though I still feel the same way? It's complete nonsense to think that just because a player is on one's team that it means an owner is biased because it ignores the most common sense reason of how he got there in the first place.Is your fantasy team comprised of players you like or dislike? If it's players you like, did you like them BEFORE or AFTER they made it on your team? Once you answer that question (honestly), then you might start to understand that if someone is a fan of Charles and also owns them on their team, they are no more biased than a non-Charles owner. In fact, it's the non-Charles owners that bash the guy that I'm a little less likely to pay attention to. Why is that? Because I follow players that I actually own more closely than players I don't and I can assure you that I probably have paid more attention to Charles than guys who don't own him on any of their teams with the exception of KC fans who follow their team closely.

Non-owners are just as biased as owners (unless they are fans of the team), because they would want to see someone they don't own do poorly.

And owners are slobbering all over the guy like he's the 2nd coming of Barry Sanders.