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Best fantasy performances since 1960

Jamaal Charles becomes ninth to score 50-plus, in just three quarters

By Tristan H. Cockcroft | ESPN.com

Fantasy owners are demanding of their first-round picks: Come playoff time, they ask leaderboard-topping performances of them.

On Sunday, Jamaal Charles did one better: He provided his owners an all-time caliber performance: 51 fantasy points, most since Doug Martin scored the same amount in Week 9 of the 2012 season.

Charles' effort was indeed one for the record books, literally from an NFL perspective. His four receiving touchdowns were the most by any running back in the game's history. From a fantasy perspective, he tied for the sixth-best single game by any player since 1960, using ESPN's standard scoring system.

It came at an especially opportune time, as Week 15 is a playoff week in the vast majority of fantasy football leagues, a semifinal matchup in most. It matched the highest fantasy point total for any player that late in the year -- going by numbered weeks -- joining Corey Dillon for the only two performances worth at least 50 points in Week 15 or later. Dillon's was in Week 15 of the 1997 season, and coincidentally, his was also worth 51 points.

Want even more fantasy goodness? In a PPR (points per reception) league that merely adds those points to ESPN's standard scoring system, Charles' 59 points -- 51 standard fantasy points plus one point apiece for his eight receptions -- set a new standard for an NFL running back, breaking Gale Sayers' 48-year-old record of 57. Charles also moved into fourth place among running backs in terms of receptions this season, extending his career high to 65.

Folks, we appear to have found our 2013 fantasy football MVP.

Charles' fantasy owners have no reason to gripe, even if they're cognizant that he didn't even lead his own team in rushing yards on Sunday, his 20 falling 14 short of backup Knile Davis' 34, 26 of which came in the fourth quarter after Charles had been removed with his Kansas City Chiefs up by 18 points. What those owners should appreciate is the historical context of his game.

So let's put said game into context, shall we?

Using ESPN's standard scoring system, listed below are the nine instances since 1960 -- the earliest season for which detailed NFL box scores were available -- in which a player scored 50 fantasy points or more. No, ESPN leagues didn't exist back then, but this is all for fun, and historical perspective. Besides, there is compelling evidence that fantasy football leagues existed at least as far back as 1962, the first year of the Greater Oakland Professional Pigskin Prognosticators League (GOPPPL).

(All statistics come from my historical research, collected in a database of individual player game logs.)

1. Gale Sayers, 1965 Week 13, 55 fantasy points: Sayers scored six touchdowns on this day, four rushing, one receiving and one on an 85-yard punt return, at the time becoming only the third player to score that many; he matched the record previously set by Ernie Nevers (1929) and Dub Jones (1951). The punt return score, his final one of the day, was especially significant: It gave him a then-record-setting 21 touchdowns for the season. Sayers even had a chance to break the touchdown record on a late-game punt; per the Associated Press, he ran 30 yards before slipping and being yanked by a man he had previously eluded on the return. No matter, as Sayers' performance is not only the greatest by any rookie in fantasy football since 1960, it's the greatest by any NFL player during that time.

2. Clinton Portis, 2003 Week 14, 54 fantasy points: This one meant about as much to his Denver Broncos as it did to his fantasy owners; without this win versus the eventual division-winning Kansas City Chiefs, the Broncos probably wouldn't have reached the playoffs in 2003. It was his fifth 100-yard rushing effort in a streak of six to conclude the season, and in the process, he upstaged an even bigger (at the time) fantasy stud, the Chiefs' Priest Holmes (44 rushing yards, two touchdowns).

3. (tied) Jim Brown, 1961 Week 10, 52 fantasy points: He'd have dominated fantasy football like no other running back could have for nine seasons, winning the league's rushing title in eight. But on this day, Brown was particularly productive, setting a then-NFL-record rushing mark with 242 yards … breaking his own record of 237, set four years earlier. His four rushing touchdowns would set a new career high, which he would match almost exactly one year later, in Week 10 of the 1962 season.

3. (tied) Jerry Rice, 1990 Week 6, 52 fantasy points: Rice matched an NFL record with five receiving touchdowns in this game against the Atlanta Falcons; Bob Shaw (1950) and Kellen Winslow Sr. (1981) previously shared the mark. Oddly, neither he nor his quarterback, Joe Montana, characterized it one of their better games. "I had a decent game today," Rice told the Associated Press. "But I don't compare games. I don't think I made two mistakes in the Super Bowl. Today, I made four or five."

3. (tied) Shaun Alexander, 2002 Week 4, 52: Ah, a Sunday night football classic. Surely you remember this one? In only the second game at CenturyLink Field (then Seahawks Stadium), Alexander set an NFL record with five touchdowns in the first half, establishing his reputation as a premier prime-time performer. He played 14 night games in his career, totaling 13 touchdowns.

6. (tied) Corey Dillon, 1997 Week 15, 51 fantasy points: Though it has since been eclipsed, Dillon's 246 rushing yards on this day set an NFL rookie record. Particularly impressive about Dillon's performance was that it came against a Tennessee Oilers defense that, entering the game, was ranked third in the NFL against the run.

6. (tied) Doug Martin, 2012 Week 9, 51: Though he had placed himself firmly in the class of fantasy studs with a 32-point breakout outing a week earlier against the stingy Minnesota Vikings defense, the "Muscle Hamster" affirmed himself as 2012's top rookie rusher thanks primarily to this game, during which he became the first player in NFL history to score three rushing touchdowns of 45 yards or longer (per ESPN Stats & Information). And if you're looking to toss cold water on the effort due to an "easy matchup," know this: There were actually four defenses that allowed more fantasy points per game to opposing running backs than the Raiders in 2012.

6. (tied) Jamaal Charles, 2013 Week 15, 51 fantasy points.

9. Jerry Butler, 1979 Week 4, 50 fantasy points: The third rookie on the list to cross the 50-point threshold, Butler's is the best by any rookie wide receiver since 1960. He caught two touchdowns of greater than 70 yards -- one was 75 and the other 74 -- to help his Buffalo Bills rally from a 24-12 deficit to defeat the New York Jets.



What about the AFL?As the NFL record book does recognize marks set in the pre-merger AFL, I thought it might be interesting to expand the scope of fantasy football records to include AFL performances. There were three worth 50 points or greater:

1. Billy Cannon, 1961 Week 13, 62 fantasy points: Cannon's 330 yards from scrimmage on this day would set a record, eclipsed by Flipper Anderson 28 years later, but unlike Anderson, Cannon would score five touchdowns -- three rushing and two receiving -- to go along with it.

2. Cookie Gilchrist, 1963 Week 13, 54 fantasy points: He set then-AFL records with 36 carries and five touchdowns.

3. Abner Haynes, 1961 Week 11, 53 fantasy points: He scored five touchdowns on the day, four rushing and one receiving, and added 242 yards from scrimmage.



Positional recordsRunning backs and wide receivers dominate the all-time leaderboard, but what about quarterbacks, tight ends and kickers? Here are the current record-holders (since 1960) at those three positions:

QB: Michael Vick, 2010 Week 10, 49: On the day that then-Washington Redskins quarterback Donovan McNabb celebrated signing a five-year contract extension, it was the opposing quarterback, Vick, who lit up the fantasy scoreboard. Vick had three passing and two rushing touchdowns in the first half, becoming the first player to do that, routinely lighting up the Redskins' secondary en route to the NFL's first-ever performance of at least 300 passing yards, 50 rushing yards, four passing and two rushing scores. Vick would finish the 2010 season as fantasy's leading scorer.

TE: Kellen Winslow Sr., 1981 Week 12, 44 fantasy points: He scored a whopping five touchdowns, four of them coming on throws from Dan Fouts and the fifth on an option pass from running back Chuck Muncie late in the fourth quarter. It capped a key victory en route to a streak of four wins in Winslow's San Diego Chargers' final five games to rally from behind to take the AFC West crown; his Chargers would make it all the way to the conference championship.

K: Rob Bironas, 2007 Week 7, 29 fantasy points: He set an NFL record with eight field goals, the first of them coming from 52 yards, the final one the game-winner as time expired to defeat the Houston Texans. Remarkably, Bironas entered the Tennessee Titans' sixth game of the 2007 season with only eight field goals all season; he doubled his seasonal output in one day.

Fantasy football single-game leaderboard (since 1960)The chart below highlights the 34 players since 1960 -- a total 35 instances -- who have amassed at least as many as 45 fantasy points (ESPN standard scoring).

(click on the linked article to see the chart)
Now Entering the MVP Race: Jamaal Charles
 
I could see 270 carries for 1500 plus yards and 70 catches for 700 yards and 15 total tds 10 rushing 5 rec..... I see Huge top 5 upside for JC who is amazing on a per run basis career best all time 5.7
:lol:
You still laughing now ???????? didn't I say TOP 5?? I mean number 1.
To be fair, he won't get to 1500 rushing yards. I'm sure he was laughing at the proj, not "top 5 upside", considering he was a top 3-4 pick in every league. You weren't that far off though.
Really?

Indy is a bottom 5 Run D

Washington, Oakland, and San Diego all give up 100 yards per game

Although, KC might have the 5 seed locked up and no chance at the division when they play San Diego, I think he gets "really" close if he doesn't break 1500 rushing. 700 yards receiving would take a great December.
T&T's predictions looking pretty solid right now. :thumbup:
1181 rushing yards so far. Not on pace for 1500.
Yeah, I was laughing at the projection, but mostly because this T with T guy had predicted the same thing for 3 years running and was a major tool about it. Congratulations to his owners though. I wish I would have taken him over Doug Martin. It would have been a much different season for me.

 
HAHAHA DUMB AND DRUMMER GET IT GUYS??
The trolls are out in force tonight. A guest appearance by foreskin no less. Be careful there boy I'll circumcise yo ###.
Does that involve the sphincter? Or something with the cheeks? Trying to figure out the science here.
It means your boat won't have a little man anymore, which would be tragic :( I would stay away from General Tso from now on.

 
Rotoworld:

Jamaal Charles' 2013 base salary was just $1.75 million, and he's owed a meager $2.25 million in 2014.

Ex-Chiefs GM Scott Pioli deserves credit for in December of 2010 getting Charles to accept a six-year, $28 million contract that will go down as one of the team-friendliest extensions signed by an NFL player over the past decade. It was absolute robbery on the Chiefs' part. Now coming off an MVP-caliber campaign, Charles will have plenty of ground to stand on if he wants to hold out. Current GM John Dorsey may want to approach Charles about a reasonable raise immediately after the season.


Source: Rotoworld Contracts Page
 
Rotoworld:

Jamaal Charles' concussion isn't considered serious.
Charles was knocked out on the first drive of Kansas City's Wild Card loss, but is "improving, and completing concussion protocol testing." It sounds like he would have been able to play had the Chiefs advanced. Two weeks past his 27th birthday, Charles was one of the five best offensive players in the NFL this season, averaging 5.0 yards per carry while racking up 1,980 yards from scrimmage. He scored 19 total touchdowns. He'll be a top-three pick in next summer's fantasy drafts.

Source: Reid Ferrin on Twitter
 
Rotoworld:

Jamaal Charles doesn't believe he suffered a concussion in the Wild Card Round loss to the Colts.

"I was trying to get back on the field," Charles said. "I feel like I didn't have a concussion. I kind of got (woozy), like a boxer. Just give me a 10 count and let me get back in the ring and let me fight again. … I tried (to talk my way back into the game). I feel like when somebody wants to play, let them play. (But) they're protecting players and the team. They had to do what they had to do." Charles was obviously disappointed he couldn't continue after he shredded the Colts on the opening drive, but it's water under the bridge now. The Chiefs did the right thing. This at least confirms Charles' concussion wasn't serious.


Source: Kansas City Star
 
Rotoworld:

Jamaal Charles doesn't believe he suffered a concussion in the Wild Card Round loss to the Colts.

"I was trying to get back on the field," Charles said. "I feel like I didn't have a concussion. I kind of got (woozy), like a boxer. Just give me a 10 count and let me get back in the ring and let me fight again. … I tried (to talk my way back into the game). I feel like when somebody wants to play, let them play. (But) they're protecting players and the team. They had to do what they had to do." Charles was obviously disappointed he couldn't continue after he shredded the Colts on the opening drive, but it's water under the bridge now. The Chiefs did the right thing. This at least confirms Charles' concussion wasn't serious.


Source: Kansas City Star
i would say that the fact he just played in the Pro bowl confirms it wasnt serious :loco:

 
Rotoworld:

Coach Andy Reid said he expects to lighten Jamaal Charles' workload slightly next season.
It's a no-brainer plan. At 5'11/199, Charles averaged 21.9 touches per game last season and played on 752-of-860 snaps (87.4 percent) in the first 12 games of the year. He didn't appear to wear down at all, but this kind of usage at the running back position is asking for trouble. Knile Davis began to gain the trust of the coaching staff late in the year and as long as his leg is healed, he'll have a complementary role from Week 1. We'd still put Charles in the mix for the No. 1 overall pick in 2014 fantasy drafts as a perfectly explosive fit for Reid's scheme. He'll be an excellent bet for 300 total touches again.

Related: Knile Davis

Source: ESPN.com
 
Pretty amazing that 6 years into the league this guy has never been bellow 5 YPC in a single one of them.

 
Yeah hes an amazing rb. Hope I get him in some redrafts..only worry is the large workload last season but it does not worry me much..

 
Jamaal Charles (5.58 - 1st all-time) and Jim Brown (5.22) are the only two RBs in NFL history with more than 1000 rushing attempts and a career yards per carry of 5.0+.

 
Jamaal Charles (5.58 - 1st all-time) and Jim Brown (5.22) are the only two RBs in NFL history with more than 1000 rushing attempts and a career yards per carry of 5.0+.
Barry Sanders fans every want to know why you had to put that + on there...

 
Jamaal Charles (5.58 - 1st all-time) and Jim Brown (5.22) are the only two RBs in NFL history with more than 1000 rushing attempts and a career yards per carry of 5.0+.
Barry Sanders fans every want to know why you had to put that + on there...
And Mercury Morris fans are upset that he didn't use an 800-carry cutoff.

 
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Jamaal Charles (5.58 - 1st all-time) and Jim Brown (5.22) are the only two RBs in NFL history with more than 1000 rushing attempts and a career yards per carry of 5.0+.
Barry Sanders fans every want to know why you had to put that + on there...
Guessing Sanders must have rounded up to 5.0? I just plugged 1000 and 5.0 into PFR and he didn't come up in the results.

ETA:

Charles - 5.58

Brown - 5.22

Sanders - 4.99

Peterson - 4.98

 
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Pretty amazing that 6 years into the league this guy has never been bellow 5 YPC in a single one of them.
Well, technically he only averaged 4.97 ypc last season...

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Party crasher.Honesty, I did not know that. It takes a bit of the luster off a still amazing stat.
I didn't either, but after you posted the stat, I checked PFR. I saw his rushing yardage wasn't a clean multiple of 5, so I knew that his 5.0 average must have either been rounded up or rounded down. Turns out it was rounded up.

This thread is now about how much of an underachiever Jamaal Charles is.

 
5.58 YPC for his career is truly outrageous. So glad he's finally getting some competent offensive coaching and a system that takes advantage of his talent.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
5.58 YPC for his career is truly outrageous. So glad he's finally getting some competent offensive coaching and a system that takes advantage of his talent.
To some extent, Charles' YPC is boosted by the fact that he hasn't yet hit his decline phase. I guarantee you his final career ypc will be much lower (if still among the best marks in history). I also suspect his YPC would have been a little bit lower if he'd had some more competent coaching early in his career, because he'd have more carries by now.

But yes, Charles is an absurdly good talent. I mentioned before last season that I'd put him in my top 30 RBs of all time (iirc). I suspect that, after the season he just had, a few more people might be in agreement this time around.

 
It'll depend on how long he plays, but if he's as good as Westbrook at 27-29 and can avoid the injuries I think he'll finish well inside the top 30 all-time.

 
It'll depend on how long he plays, but if he's as good as Westbrook at 27-29 and can avoid the injuries I think he'll finish well inside the top 30 all-time.
I was talking more ability, not career counting stats. In my mind, Charles is there already, regardless of how the rest of his career goes.

 
In 2010 he had 230 carries at 6.4 YPC - unreal. Even more ridiculous is that Thomas Jones got 245 carries that year at 3.7 YPC. Funny thing is, I bet Todd Haley thought he must have been using Charles **perfectly** for him to do that well.

 
Chiefs should pay Justin Houston first IMO.

Pro Football Spot @pfspot

#Chiefs' defense surrendered 25.2 ppg during OLB Justin Houston's 5 missed games, to just 16.3 points allowed with Houston in the lineup.
 
I could see 270 carries for 1500 plus yards and 70 catches for 700 yards and 15 total tds 10 rushing 5 rec..... I see Huge top 5 upside for JC who is amazing on a per run basis career best all time 5.7
Charles does not have upside, he just is. When you reach the top you no longer have an upside you are the pinnacle. He is not going to duplicate next season, just isn't going to but he is still an elite back, who is about to hold out until he gets paid.

 
I could see 270 carries for 1500 plus yards and 70 catches for 700 yards and 15 total tds 10 rushing 5 rec..... I see Huge top 5 upside for JC who is amazing on a per run basis career best all time 5.7
Charles does not have upside, he just is. When you reach the top you no longer have an upside you are the pinnacle. He is not going to duplicate next season, just isn't going to but he is still an elite back, who is about to hold out until he gets paid.
He posted that last year..

 
Jamaal Charles - RB - Chiefs
According to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, Jamaal Charles will not report to Chiefs camp Wednesday barring a breakthrough in contract talks.
Charles believes he's outplayed his current contract, and he's absolutely right after carrying the Chiefs entire offense on his back during last year's run to the playoffs. He's set to make just $3.9M this season, 15th-most among running backs in the league. Now is the perfect time for Charles to dig his heels in and capitalize on the leverage he's earned on the field. The Chiefs are going to have to find a way to satisfy him, and talks are underway already.
Related: Knile Davis

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Jul 23 - 9:37 AM

 
Chiefs should pay Justin Houston first IMO.

Pro Football Spot @pfspot

#Chiefs' defense surrendered 25.2 ppg during OLB Justin Houston's 5 missed games, to just 16.3 points allowed with Houston in the lineup.
I'm sure that has nothing to do with the fact that in those 5 games they faced the Broncos, Chargers, and Colts. ;)

Kansas City gave up 68 points in their first games against the Chargers and Broncos (both played with Houston in the lineup, though Houston left early against San Diego), and 62 points in their rematches against the Chargers and Broncos (both played without Houston). They did give up a lot more points to the Raiders in the rematch, but that partly owes to Jamaal Charles going bonkers and staking them to a massive early lead. The Chiefs led Oakland 21-3 in the first quarter and 35-10 in the second before Oakland went off offensively. The other two opponents- Indy and Washington- were actually held below their season averages with Houston out.

Of course, Houston's still worth at least a couple PPG to KC's defense. But how many PPG is Jamaal Charles worth to that offense? During those 5 games that Houston missed, Kansas City's PPG allowed rose by 9 points. Jamaal Charles accounted for 11 touchdowns during that span, which works out to 15.4 points per game worth of scoring.

Houston is great, but Charles is more important to that team. In fact, I'd argue that Charles ranks with Watt, Peterson, and Calvin as the most valuable non-QBs in the entire NFL to their respective teams. Here's hoping he can use his leverage to get paid a bit more like Peterson and Calvin are, and like Watt soon will be.

 
He's not getting $0.01 more than his current contract. He sees that they lost multiple O-linemen and that he'll never have another season like 2013, so he's trying to pull a Chris Johnson. The KC higher-ups are smarter than to let that happen in this case though. Charles is absurdely good but you'd have to be pretty stupid to tear up a contract and re-do a new one after the absolute peak of someone's career when you really don't have to.

Note that I don't see a large decline this year, just that he won't ever again meet his 2013 stats-wise.

Charles will play 2014 under his current contract, I guarantee it.

 
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Note that I don't see a large decline this year, just that he won't ever again meet his 2013 stats-wise.

Charles will play 2014 under his current contract, I guarantee it.
Really? Even though he missed a game last year? It's unlikely he produces 19 TDs again, buts it's certainly possibly. On top of that Charles has a good chance to increase his yardage totals from last year. Acting as though there is no way is absurd. There is a way.

As for the contract, I agree. He will play under his current. I'm guessing this is the old LT approach and he just doesn't want to go through camp. Nothing really to see there IMO. Personally I'm glad he's keeping fresh.

 
Correct me if I am wrong, usually when a player holds out into the regular season, their play suffers that year, right? Combine that with an all-world year that he had last year, and it looks to me that many folks are going to be left holding their d*cks, chasing points.

 
Chiefs should pay Justin Houston first IMO.

Pro Football Spot @pfspot

#Chiefs' defense surrendered 25.2 ppg during OLB Justin Houston's 5 missed games, to just 16.3 points allowed with Houston in the lineup.
I'm sure that has nothing to do with the fact that in those 5 games they faced the Broncos, Chargers, and Colts. ;)

Kansas City gave up 68 points in their first games against the Chargers and Broncos (both played with Houston in the lineup, though Houston left early against San Diego), and 62 points in their rematches against the Chargers and Broncos (both played without Houston). They did give up a lot more points to the Raiders in the rematch, but that partly owes to Jamaal Charles going bonkers and staking them to a massive early lead. The Chiefs led Oakland 21-3 in the first quarter and 35-10 in the second before Oakland went off offensively. The other two opponents- Indy and Washington- were actually held below their season averages with Houston out.

Of course, Houston's still worth at least a couple PPG to KC's defense. But how many PPG is Jamaal Charles worth to that offense? During those 5 games that Houston missed, Kansas City's PPG allowed rose by 9 points. Jamaal Charles accounted for 11 touchdowns during that span, which works out to 15.4 points per game worth of scoring.

Houston is great, but Charles is more important to that team. In fact, I'd argue that Charles ranks with Watt, Peterson, and Calvin as the most valuable non-QBs in the entire NFL to their respective teams. Here's hoping he can use his leverage to get paid a bit more like Peterson and Calvin are, and like Watt soon will be.
We'll see. Justin Houston is 25 years old and just coming into his prime. He can expect a contract of about $12 M per season. The top running backs not named Adrian Peterson are getting about $9 M per season. I love Adrian but frankly he is over payed. The amount of money that teams are willing to pay for each position tells me more than the individual stats.
 
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