Jamaal Charles Thread: Hall of Famer? (1 Viewer)

[VaTerp]

Note that I don't see a large decline this year, just that he won't ever again meet his 2013 stats-wise.

Charles will play 2014 under his current contract, I guarantee it.

Really? Even though he missed a game last year? It's unlikely he produces 19 TDs again, buts it's certainly possibly. On top of that Charles has a good chance to increase his yardage totals from last year. Acting as though there is no way is absurd. There is a way.

As for the contract, I agree. He will play under his current. I'm guessing this is the old LT approach and he just doesn't want to go through camp. Nothing really to see there IMO. Personally I'm glad he's keeping fresh.

This is not about missing camp. Charles is ridiculously underpaid by just about any reasonable standard.

He accounted for 35% of the Chiefs offense, which was the highest percentage of any RB in the league yet RBs like Joique Bell and Jonathan Stewart will make more than him this year. It's also not "pulling a Chris Johnson" it's a simple concept called leverage. Charles has been a consummate pro his entire career. He realizes that now is his best chance to use his leverage and command a salary more in line with his production and value to the team.

He won't get an Adrian Peterson or Chris Johnson contract. In just a few short years, the NFL and the way RBs are valued and compensated has changed. But the Chiefs will find a way to justly compensate Charles in a way that makes sense for them cap wise.

Charles is simply using the leverage he has now to force the issue. He will NOT play 2014 under his current contract. I guarantee it. (Actually I don't but people use that word without understanding or caring what it means. I am however willing to place a wager on the matter.)

 

[IHEARTFF]

4 years, 30 M, 16 G $ sounds about right for JC.

 

[Insein]

Correct me if I am wrong, usually when a player holds out into the regular season, their play suffers that year, right? Combine that with an all-world year that he had last year, and it looks to me that many folks are going to be left holding their d*cks, chasing points.

I thought you quit.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Correct me if I am wrong, usually when a player holds out into the regular season, their play suffers that year, right? Combine that with an all-world year that he had last year, and it looks to me that many folks are going to be left holding their d*cks, chasing points.

There aren't a whole lot of examples of a holdout extending into the regular season. Vincent Jackson did it and his play suffered, but he wasn't exactly all that motivated- his holdout didn't exactly end amicably. Emmitt Smith held out into the regular season in 1993 and wound up winning the MVP that year.

Either way, it's very unlikely that Charles' holdout extends that long. Regular season holdouts are quite rare. And offseason "holdouts" aren't usually much of a concern, especially for veteran stars. Tomlinson and Walter Jones used to "hold out" every year just to get out of training camps.

 

[jurb26]

Note that I don't see a large decline this year, just that he won't ever again meet his 2013 stats-wise.

Charles will play 2014 under his current contract, I guarantee it.

Really? Even though he missed a game last year? It's unlikely he produces 19 TDs again, buts it's certainly possibly. On top of that Charles has a good chance to increase his yardage totals from last year. Acting as though there is no way is absurd. There is a way.As for the contract, I agree. He will play under his current. I'm guessing this is the old LT approach and he just doesn't want to go through camp. Nothing really to see there IMO. Personally I'm glad he's keeping fresh.

This is not about missing camp. Charles is ridiculously underpaid by just about any reasonable standard.

He accounted for 35% of the Chiefs offense, which was the highest percentage of any RB in the league yet RBs like Joique Bell and Jonathan Stewart will make more than him this year. It's also not "pulling a Chris Johnson" it's a simple concept called leverage. Charles has been a consummate pro his entire career. He realizes that now is his best chance to use his leverage and command a salary more in line with his production and value to the team.

He won't get an Adrian Peterson or Chris Johnson contract. In just a few short years, the NFL and the way RBs are valued and compensated has changed. But the Chiefs will find a way to justly compensate Charles in a way that makes sense for them cap wise.

Charles is simply using the leverage he has now to force the issue. He will NOT play 2014 under his current contract. I guarantee it. (Actually I don't but people use that word without understanding or caring what it means. I am however willing to place a wager on the matter.)

I agree whole heartily that Charles is vastly underpaid. Still, I don't think he will extend this into the regular season. So while it may not be entirely a ploy to get out of camp. I think it's a bit of both. He's certainly going to try for a new deal but I just don't see it effecting him if it doesn't happen.

 

[VaTerp]

Note that I don't see a large decline this year, just that he won't ever again meet his 2013 stats-wise.

Charles will play 2014 under his current contract, I guarantee it.

Really? Even though he missed a game last year? It's unlikely he produces 19 TDs again, buts it's certainly possibly. On top of that Charles has a good chance to increase his yardage totals from last year. Acting as though there is no way is absurd. There is a way.As for the contract, I agree. He will play under his current. I'm guessing this is the old LT approach and he just doesn't want to go through camp. Nothing really to see there IMO. Personally I'm glad he's keeping fresh.

This is not about missing camp. Charles is ridiculously underpaid by just about any reasonable standard.

He accounted for 35% of the Chiefs offense, which was the highest percentage of any RB in the league yet RBs like Joique Bell and Jonathan Stewart will make more than him this year. It's also not "pulling a Chris Johnson" it's a simple concept called leverage. Charles has been a consummate pro his entire career. He realizes that now is his best chance to use his leverage and command a salary more in line with his production and value to the team.

He won't get an Adrian Peterson or Chris Johnson contract. In just a few short years, the NFL and the way RBs are valued and compensated has changed. But the Chiefs will find a way to justly compensate Charles in a way that makes sense for them cap wise.

Charles is simply using the leverage he has now to force the issue. He will NOT play 2014 under his current contract. I guarantee it. (Actually I don't but people use that word without understanding or caring what it means. I am however willing to place a wager on the matter.)

I agree whole heartily that Charles is vastly underpaid. Still, I don't think he will extend this into the regular season. So while it may not be entirely a ploy to get out of camp. I think it's a bit of both. He's certainly going to try for a new deal but I just don't see it effecting him if it doesn't happen.

Other than one poster here, I haven't seen any speculation or expectation that the holdout extends to the regular season. So I agree on it not affecting Charles from that standpoint.

I just don't think this has ANYTHING to do with missing camp like Tomlinson used to do. It has everything to do with leverage for a better contract, IMO.

 

[Andrew74]

So no holdout? That was fast.

@AdamSchefter: Chiefs are giving RB Jamaal Charles a two-year extension that makes him 2nd-highest paid back in league and ties him to KC for four seasons.

 

[jurb26]

Wow, that didn't take long. Crow served.... Well done Jamaal/KC.

 

[Andrew74]

I'm reading tweets thinking, "aw, ####!" Then I scroll up and problem solved.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

nice job for a RB his age to get an extension like that.

 

[[icon]]

So no holdout? That was fast.

@AdamSchefter: Chiefs are giving RB Jamaal Charles a two-year extension that makes him 2nd-highest paid back in league and ties him to KC for four seasons.

Now THAT'S how you handle a holdout / underpaid stud.

Props to all involved.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Jamaal Charles - RB - Chiefs
Chiefs signed RB Jamaal Charles to a two-year, $18.1 million contract extension through 2017.
So much for that holdout. Charles is now the second-highest paid running back in the league behind Adrian Peterson and is locked up through his age-31 campaign. On his previous deal, Charles was scheduled to make $3.9 million in salary and bonuses this season. He'll now make $8.3 million in 2014. It's well deserved after Charles put the Chiefs' offense on his back and carried them to the playoffs in 2013. Charles is entering his age-28 season. He's a locked-in top-three fantasy back, along with Peterson and LeSean McCoy.


Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Jul 23 - 4:39 PM

 

[Skeletore Eh]

He's not getting $0.01 more than his current contract. He sees that they lost multiple O-linemen and that he'll never have another season like 2013, so he's trying to pull a Chris Johnson. The KC higher-ups are smarter than to let that happen in this case though. Charles is absurdely good but you'd have to be pretty stupid to tear up a contract and re-do a new one after the absolute peak of someone's career when you really don't have to.

Note that I don't see a large decline this year, just that he won't ever again meet his 2013 stats-wise.

Charles will play 2014 under his current contract, I guarantee it.

 

[GreenBaySnackers]

Note that I don't see a large decline this year, just that he won't ever again meet his 2013 stats-wise.

Charles will play 2014 under his current contract, I guarantee it.

Really? Even though he missed a game last year? It's unlikely he produces 19 TDs again, buts it's certainly possibly. On top of that Charles has a good chance to increase his yardage totals from last year. Acting as though there is no way is absurd. There is a way.As for the contract, I agree. He will play under his current. I'm guessing this is the old LT approach and he just doesn't want to go through camp. Nothing really to see there IMO. Personally I'm glad he's keeping fresh.

This is not about missing camp. Charles is ridiculously underpaid by just about any reasonable standard.

He accounted for 35% of the Chiefs offense, which was the highest percentage of any RB in the league yet RBs like Joique Bell and Jonathan Stewart will make more than him this year. It's also not "pulling a Chris Johnson" it's a simple concept called leverage. Charles has been a consummate pro his entire career. He realizes that now is his best chance to use his leverage and command a salary more in line with his production and value to the team.

He won't get an Adrian Peterson or Chris Johnson contract. In just a few short years, the NFL and the way RBs are valued and compensated has changed. But the Chiefs will find a way to justly compensate Charles in a way that makes sense for them cap wise.

Charles is simply using the leverage he has now to force the issue. He will NOT play 2014 under his current contract. I guarantee it. (Actually I don't but people use that word without understanding or caring what it means. I am however willing to place a wager on the matter.)

Wow, can you tell me which rookies you guarantee will be studs/busts while you're at it? Lol

 

[metoo]

Jamaal Charles - RB - Chiefs
Chiefs signed RB Jamaal Charles to a two-year, $18.1 million contract extension through 2017.
So much for that holdout. Charles is now the second-highest paid running back in the league behind Adrian Peterson and is locked up through his age-31 campaign. On his previous deal, Charles was scheduled to make $3.9 million in salary and bonuses this season. He'll now make $8.3 million in 2014. It's well deserved after Charles put the Chiefs' offense on his back and carried them to the playoffs in 2013. Charles is entering his age-28 season. He's a locked-in top-three fantasy back, along with Peterson and LeSean McCoy.


Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Jul 23 - 4:39 PM

ESPN is reporting 2/28.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

He's not getting $0.01 more than his current contract. He sees that they lost multiple O-linemen and that he'll never have another season like 2013, so he's trying to pull a Chris Johnson. The KC higher-ups are smarter than to let that happen in this case though. Charles is absurdely good but you'd have to be pretty stupid to tear up a contract and re-do a new one after the absolute peak of someone's career when you really don't have to.

Note that I don't see a large decline this year, just that he won't ever again meet his 2013 stats-wise.

Charles will play 2014 under his current contract, I guarantee it.

 

[Warrior]

 

[BustedKnuckles]

He's not getting $0.01 more than his current contract. He sees that they lost multiple O-linemen and that he'll never have another season like 2013, so he's trying to pull a Chris Johnson. The KC higher-ups are smarter than to let that happen in this case though. Charles is absurdely good but you'd have to be pretty stupid to tear up a contract and re-do a new one after the absolute peak of someone's career when you really don't have to.

Note that I don't see a large decline this year, just that he won't ever again meet his 2013 stats-wise.

Charles will play 2014 under his current contract, I guarantee it.

wheres soulfly when we need him

 

[Shutout]

illustrates the Chiefs aren't messing around. They are going to focus on him as much as ever, if that's possible.

If the Broncos weren't in the division, I would like the Chiefs chances of doing something special.

 

[Insein]

I guess Andy learned from past mistakes. When the best player out plays his contract and asks for more money, you pay the man and move on with football as quick as you can. Otherwise it can derail a team.

 

[12punch]

illustrates the Chiefs aren't messing around. They are going to focus on him as much as ever, if that's possible.

If the Broncos weren't in the division, I would like the Chiefs chances of doing something special.

winning a division?

 

[Andrew74]

@jcharles25: I had no intention on holding out...I just ran out of gas on the way to camp and my cell phone battery died. It was a long walk I tell ya.

 

[Shutout]

illustrates the Chiefs aren't messing around. They are going to focus on him as much as ever, if that's possible.

If the Broncos weren't in the division, I would like the Chiefs chances of doing something special.

winning a division?

Yes, but much more than just the blanket statement. IN the NFL, its such a battle of attrition and such a matchup game of not really who you play, necessarily, but when you play them that IF the Broncos weren't around, I could envision a scenario where the Chiefs win a division early, really allow Reid to fine tune that team, maybe get some rest, maybe host a playoff game in an awesome environment, etc. In short, they might be a final 4 team this year or be looking at a SB if things fell right.

But as it is, it is just hard to imagine a scenario other than they are forced into a playoff spot, have to go the hard road (maybe ON the road), eventually end up having to go into Denver. I just don't like the scenario as much.

 

[jurb26]

Charles gives new, literal, meaning to the phrase "breaking ankles."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000372200/article/sanders-commings-breaks-ankle-at-chiefs-camp

 

[DerekR]

So crazy Cummings broke his ankle because Charles jukes him so bad..

 

[3quinox]

First time playing fantasy football a player on my roster had single handedly won a championship game for me, keep breaking those ankles!!

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Any concerns over the O-line and lack of passing game for a potential number 1 overall selection? With the Eagles having a better ranked Oline and fast paced offense, why isn't Shady the first pick this year?

 

[sjdogs]

Any concerns over the O-line and lack of passing game for a potential number 1 overall selection? With the Eagles having a better ranked Oline and fast paced offense, why isn't Shady the first pick this year?

Who says he isn't?

Not me

 

[Adam Harstad]

Any concerns over the O-line and lack of passing game for a potential number 1 overall selection? With the Eagles having a better ranked Oline and fast paced offense, why isn't Shady the first pick this year?

The lack of passing game is a boon for Jamaal Charles. The 2013 Kansas City Chiefs RBs drew more targets, had more receiving yards, and scored more receiving TDs than any other team's RBs since 2002. Jamaal Charles joined Darren Sproles and Ray Rice as the only RBs in the last five years to get 100+ targets.

 

[tdmills]

Any concerns over the O-line and lack of passing game for a potential number 1 overall selection? With the Eagles having a better ranked Oline and fast paced offense, why isn't Shady the first pick this year?

I think it's a valid concern because an OL is crucial to the success of a RB.

Another negative for Charles is his strength of schedule. This season they play the NFC West which had 4 of the top 9 best rushing defenses in the NFL last season.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Chiefs coach Andy Reid told USA Today he's "comfortable" if Jamaal Charles hits 320 touches for the third straight year.
Charles has shown the ability to handle heavy workloads while staying upright, and is peaking at age 27 -- historically the prime year for running backs. Reid says he's particularly "comfortable" feeding Charles because of the way he takes care of his body. "I ice my knees," Charles said. "I've got an oxygen thing that's supposed to just take care of your whole body. I get massages. I see the chiropractors. I see all the trainers. I get in the cold tub, hot tub. You've got to make sure you're good on Sunday to go." Charles is a top-two fantasy pick this year regardless of format, and should have 2-3 years of elite RB1 production left.

Source: USA Today

 

[ghostguy123]

They have a harder schedule this year. I expect a nice 300 point PPR year, not 350 or whatever he got last year

 

[3quinox]

I feel it's more obscure to look at SOS with PPR monsters likes Charles because if they can't get the run going I feel he'll just get massive check downs and screens. It might make them lose and might not work, but PPR doesn't give points for winning a game or lookin good doing it.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

When are we drafting his handcuff?

 

[ghostguy123]

I feel it's more obscure to look at SOS with PPR monsters likes Charles because if they can't get the run going I feel he'll just get massive check downs and screens. It might make them lose and might not work, but PPR doesn't give points for winning a game or lookin good doing it.

well I dont think he will get 90 catches whether they are winning or not.

3 and outs lead to less plays which lead to less scores..................................still a great year, just not as great IMO.

Not to mention just the inevitable regression based on nothing factual after a huge year. Just seems to work out that way

 

[3quinox]

I feel it's more obscure to look at SOS with PPR monsters likes Charles because if they can't get the run going I feel he'll just get massive check downs and screens. It might make them lose and might not work, but PPR doesn't give points for winning a game or lookin good doing it.

well I dont think he will get 90 catches whether they are winning or not.

3 and outs lead to less plays which lead to less scores..................................still a great year, just not as great IMO.

Not to mention just the inevitable regression based on nothing factual after a huge year. Just seems to work out that way

No, I think you have a very good point. A lot of things had to go right for his epic season last year and more stout defenses that will pass rush qb's etc can lead to more 3 and outs. I'm just saying the other side to that (especially with Alex Smith) could be more short passes and dump off's to avoid sacks, each one tacks on a point regardless if he even only makes it to the LOS and doesn't gain anything. It just seems when players have the offense run through them (Ap in Minny, now Charles in Reid's offense) they seem to somehow always get their numbers. I know there will be a regression too, but for me personally I believe SOS with top tier guys on a plane of their own like Charles doesn't matter as much, and the regression won't be as big as it sounds.

 

[IHEARTFF]

When are we drafting his handcuff?

Knile Davis ADP is about round 11 right now. I would say round 9i to lock it up.

 

[Faust]

As long as he will never "stack boxes on boxes" ever again:

Jamaal Charles hurt carrying box

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11371394/jamaal-charles-kansas-city-chiefs-hurt-moving-boxes-dorm-room

 

[The Jerk]

Any concerns over the O-line and lack of passing game for a potential number 1 overall selection? With the Eagles having a better ranked Oline and fast paced offense, why isn't Shady the first pick this year?

I think it's a valid concern because an OL is crucial to the success of a RB.

Another negative for Charles is his strength of schedule. This season they play the NFC West which had 4 of the top 9 best rushing defenses in the NFL last season.

McCoy plays the NFC West, too...

I share the concern over Charles and the offensive line changes scare me far more than the schedule difficulty.

Gut instinct says Charles falls off at least 20% compared to last seasaon, while McCoy improves on his 2013. Still, Charles was so far ahead of McCoy last season that both of those predictions could come true and Charles could still end up ahead of McCoy.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Any concerns over the O-line and lack of passing game for a potential number 1 overall selection? With the Eagles having a better ranked Oline and fast paced offense, why isn't Shady the first pick this year?

I think it's a valid concern because an OL is crucial to the success of a RB.

Another negative for Charles is his strength of schedule. This season they play the NFC West which had 4 of the top 9 best rushing defenses in the NFL last season.

McCoy plays the NFC West, too...

I share the concern over Charles and the offensive line changes scare me far more than the schedule difficulty.

Gut instinct says Charles falls off at least 20% compared to last seasaon, while McCoy improves on his 2013. Still, Charles was so far ahead of McCoy last season that both of those predictions could come true and Charles could still end up ahead of McCoy.

So now the Chiefs are down to 2 returning offensive linemen from last season for the first 4 games. Is Charles still ahead of McCoy? Do we really expect him to catch that many balls again? It is Andy Reid so it is possible of course. McCoy and that Eagles line just looked so good prior to the thumb injury; 50 total yards and a TD in less than a quarter. I guess Sproels can take some catches away from Shady and Charles has no competition for anything. Tough decisions.

 

[Faust]

Jamaal Charles not worried about Chiefs o-line: 'These guys are going to come around'

 

[ponchsox]

Tough game for JC.

 

[Andrew74]

It would help if they'd give him touches.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

when the QB out runs the best RB on the field you know its gonna be bad

 

[theADDICT]

i owned him in 2012 and he was useless. that ######## romeo crennel gave him like 5 carries per game. didn't own him last year and he was amazing. own him again this year and he's back to getting less than 10 carries per game. FFS

 

[rascal]

I'm scared, real scared. I may need to see what offers I can get. This was perhaps the easiest game of the year for them and they were embarrassed.

 

[ponchsox]

I know it's only week one, but JC owners have reason to worry based on the volume.

 

[zamboni]

I wouldn't panic. I'm sure Reid is going to realize that he underused him today and I would expect a healthy dose of JC next week.

 

[Todem]

Week one...relax.

 

[justinl]

i owned him in 2012 and he was useless. that ######## romeo crennel gave him like 5 carries per game. didn't own him last year and he was amazing. own him again this year and he's back to getting less than 10 carries per game. FFS

2012 was when he came back from his acl injury. He started slow, but he picked it up at the end of the season (sans Oakland). That and Hillis was poaching GL carries. In fact, the only reason I won that season was Charles performing down the stretch.

The only thing I would be worried about after today is if you are invested in StL at all...