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Jamal Lewis-your opinion (1 Viewer)

bentdent

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Watched Jamal Lewis (whom I own as a back up RB) a few times this year. All he does is run into the back of his OL and gets pulled down immediately. How can a 240 lb RB go down so easily? It seems he has no other gear. Anyone have any thoughts? I'm trying to trade him, but so far have no takers. Anyone think there is any hope as the season wears on, or will Musa steal more and more carries?

 
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bentdent said:
Watched Jamal Lewis (whom I own as a back up RB) a few times this year. All he does is run into the back of his OL and gets pulled down immediately. How can a 240 lb RB go down so easily? It seems he has no other gear. Anyone have any thoughts? I'm trying to trade him, but so far have no takers. Anyone think there is any hope as the season wears on, or will Musa steal more and more carries?
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You won't get any value for him right now. Best bet is to keep him (benched preferably) and hope that at the very least he is maybe the goal line back. That why when you are forced to use him, your expectations are not high and maybe he can get you a touchdown and not lose you the game as he sure as heck is not going to win you any this year.
 
I thought he could do alright. But he is running terribly. I would say holding him may be your best bet, wait to see if he has a good couple of weeks and then try trading him.

Don't keep him even if he does have a few good days. There's nothing good going on for him.

 
He's a pile of trash. I'll cut this zero at the end of the year. I warned him and he still ran like a girl. Can't break a tackle, can't see a hole, too stupid to bounce it outside even after he did once and it worked. He still has enough speed but apparently he is too stupid to make a decision on his own and just does what the play calls for even when there is no possible hole to run thru. Yeah just run right into them you piece of crapola. Ravens will cut him at the end of the year.

 
I drafted him last year and then was thrilled to hear he was admittedly "running to not get hurt" since the Ravens had supposedly reneged on a promise to extend his contract.

Garbage player/person.

 
Bought into the idea that he needed an extra season to heal from his injury. Bought into the idea that he needed a regular offseason instead of one in the pokey.

No more "ideas". He sucks.

 
I might try and grab Musa Smith off of the WW. The Ravens' offensive line isn't great, but with that D they will be handing the ball off a lot. Hopefully it doesn't become a giant RBBC, but I it wouldn't surprise me. I believe Jamal's days as the starter are numbered. He looks awful.

 
He helped me win a championship in '03. I wasn't able to draft him in '04. Got him in '05 hoping for a return to glory and got burned as he was on my bench most of the year. Stayed far far away in '06.

 
jonessed said:
I might try and grab Musa Smith off of the WW. The Ravens' offensive line isn't great, but with that D they will be handing the ball off a lot. Hopefully it doesn't become a giant RBBC, but I it wouldn't surprise me. I believe Jamal's days as the starter are numbered. He looks awful.
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Dude,I am trying to trade him for Michael Turner right now, in a redraft league.

he's horrible.

I'd rather start Turner or Norwood, honestly.

 
Poor Jammer ... he's learnin' to be a pretty good tap dancer though ... maybe he'll end up on dancin' with stars cause his starting RB day's seem to be coming to an end!

:rolleyes:

 
Kind of reminds of when Eddie George hit the wall, granted Eddie was older. Jamal looks like he is done. Unfortunately even if he sees the bench I think Anderson and Musa will get carries. Anderson looked pretty good last night on his limited touches.

 
Why would they bench him while the team is 4-1? They will leave things alone until they start losing. He has faced some tough defenses so far - don't think he will be a stud but may not be done yet.

 
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I think the genius Billick will continue to play Lewis while the better backs, Musa Smith (and Mike Anderson) sit on the bench.

 
I agree that unfortunately Billick won't rock the boat and make the switch unless there's some kind of long losing streak that necessitates a shakeup.

 
I locked up Musa behind Jamal in my draft. Both sit my bench.

I don't wish anyone to get hurt, but in this case... both are not worthy of a start until one either goes down, or Billick decides to run one over the other.

There is Dynasty value in Smith IMO.

 
bentdent said:
How can a 240 lb RB go down so easily?
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Addicted to crack?(sorry)I agree JLew is not the same runner - hasn't been the same runner since he had 2G. Mike Anderson ran MUCH MUCH better against the Broncos. I haven't watched the Ravens enough - is the OL not opening holes?
 
Isotopes said:
IMO Musa has looked worse. I think Mike Anderson is the better choice.
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Jamaal is horribleI just traded him and Moss for MBIII and Branch.By the end of the season, I'm going to look like a genius....although I know, it looks horrible on paper.
 
lod2005 said:
He's a pile of trash. I'll cut this zero at the end of the year. I warned him and he still ran like a girl. Can't break a tackle, can't see a hole, too stupid to bounce it outside even after he did once and it worked. He still has enough speed but apparently he is too stupid to make a decision on his own and just does what the play calls for even when there is no possible hole to run thru. Yeah just run right into them you piece of crapola. Ravens will cut him at the end of the year.
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:lmao: Did you call him on the phone or send a letter?

 
Jamal Lewis is such garbage that he actually bring down the average yards per carry of the worst run defenses in the league. His average per carry vs. OAK, CLE and TB is lower than their average given up per game per game. Ditto the other 2 teams he has faced. He allows a defense to pad it run defense stats.

You are gone loser.

 
I shopped him around in a 10 team league last week and nobody wanted him. Last night was the first time I've actually seen him play this season. I found myself yelling at the TV - STOP TIP-TOEING and HIT THE HOLE YOU BIG SISSY! Bet the people staying in the rooms next to mine at this hotel were wondering what the heck I was doing - LOL.

I'm seriously thinking of cutting him for Turner or M. Barber this week. I've gotta have the biggest bunch of under achieving RB's I've ever had in many years of fantasy - with Jordan, Caddy, KJ and Lewis. I'm kicking myself that I didn't pull the plug sooner on Lewis and grab Jones-Drew before he was snatched up. :wall:

Willie

 
He's being traded this week, without question. I'll probably have to package him with Gore or Ronnie Brown, but the Portis owner will take this deal.

 
Here's what I wrote this morning about Jamal:

As a Baltimore homer, I've always been a big Jamal fan. A lot of people think his 2003 season was a fluke, but if you saw him play every game, you realized he had a combination of speed and power that was truly incredible.

That's what made watching last night's game so sad for me. As I watched Jamal, he was clearly no longer himself, and yet his running style still seemed very familiar. But I couldn't quite place it until my drive into work this morning when I saw some Halloween decorations.

Then it hit me. Stiff-legged and slow, plodding straight ahead until something knocks him down, never looking to the right or left but merely staring at what's directly in front of him – Jamal Lewis is a Zombie.

Zombies feed on the flesh and vital organs of others. The Ravens must switch running backs before Zombie Jamal is allowed to devour this team's heart.

I first noticed Jamal had become a member of the Living Dead during the Cleveland game. The offensive line was actually playing well and opening sizable holes. A running back with burst and/or the ability to make a cut would have racked up sizable yardage. A Zombie back could only stumble ahead into the rear ends of the offensive lineman in front of him, then fall to the ground.

Against San Diego's front 7, holes were hard to find. But there were holes again last night, as Denver frequently only put 7 men in the box and dared Jamal to beat them. He couldn't.

One sequence from last night's game sums up Zombie Back's evil effects on this team. At the end of the third quarter, tied 3-3, the Ravens take possession on their own 14. A third down completion to Dan Wilcox nets a first down out to the 29. On the last play of the quarter, Zombie back lurches for one yard, and then has his head knocked off his shoulders by Al Wilson.

When the fourth quarter commences, the Ravens have a Running Back lined up behind McNair, instead of a walking corpse. On the first play, Mike Anderson runs for 10 yards. On the next play he runs for 10 yards again. On the next play he runs for 4, and the Ravens cross midfield.

Unfortunately, by this time, the Ravens' trainer has managed to reattach Zombie Back's head and the coaches inexplicably send him back into the game. On second down, McNair throws an incomplete, and on third down, the Zombie drops a pass that might well have been good for a first down.

A 10-yard punt follows, and the game goes out of control for Baltimore.

I haven't seen a defense play pass first against the Ravens and dare them to run in 7 years. The Broncos did it last night. A legit RB -- like Mike Anderson or Musa Smith -- could make opponents pay for playing like this. But a Zombie can't.

 
Kiddnets said:
Why would they bench him while the team is 4-1? They will leave things alone until they start losing. He has faced some tough defenses so far - don't think he will be a stud but may not be done yet.
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tough defenses? I'll give you SD and Denver, but Oak (19/70/0) and Cle (21/86/0) are tough defenses?
 
I can't believe he's off to this poor of a start. He has had a few good runs this season. If he can get through that hole, he has enough speed to turn on the jets. BUT, that hole has to be huge, because he seems to fall down very easy with little impact.

I just cant figure the guy out though. It seems like he's not being patient at the line. He just runs as fast as he can, then ends up right behind someones back(usually his oline), then falls down.

Kinda strange... if he would just sit for a second or two, not tip toe, but just flat out stop. Then wait for that hole, then go. He has to figure it out sometime this season. I dont know if I can give up on him yet. I know he wont be in my starting lineup until he does.

 
aldelgreco said:
This_Is_Not_VRR said:
Isotopes said:
IMO Musa has looked worse. I think Mike Anderson is the better choice.
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You've got be joking.
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He might have just watched last night. Anderson was pumped up and was running with a head of steam against his ex teammates.
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And he happened to have gigantic holes on a couple of his runs, not getting touched until almost 10 yards while just running straight ahead.
 
The_Man said:
Here's what I wrote this morning about Jamal:As a Baltimore homer, I've always been a big Jamal fan. A lot of people think his 2003 season was a fluke, but if you saw him play every game, you realized he had a combination of speed and power that was truly incredible.That's what made watching last night's game so sad for me. As I watched Jamal, he was clearly no longer himself, and yet his running style still seemed very familiar. But I couldn't quite place it until my drive into work this morning when I saw some Halloween decorations.Then it hit me. Stiff-legged and slow, plodding straight ahead until something knocks him down, never looking to the right or left but merely staring at what's directly in front of him – Jamal Lewis is a Zombie. Zombies feed on the flesh and vital organs of others. The Ravens must switch running backs before Zombie Jamal is allowed to devour this team's heart. I first noticed Jamal had become a member of the Living Dead during the Cleveland game. The offensive line was actually playing well and opening sizable holes. A running back with burst and/or the ability to make a cut would have racked up sizable yardage. A Zombie back could only stumble ahead into the rear ends of the offensive lineman in front of him, then fall to the ground. Against San Diego's front 7, holes were hard to find. But there were holes again last night, as Denver frequently only put 7 men in the box and dared Jamal to beat them. He couldn't. One sequence from last night's game sums up Zombie Back's evil effects on this team. At the end of the third quarter, tied 3-3, the Ravens take possession on their own 14. A third down completion to Dan Wilcox nets a first down out to the 29. On the last play of the quarter, Zombie back lurches for one yard, and then has his head knocked off his shoulders by Al Wilson. When the fourth quarter commences, the Ravens have a Running Back lined up behind McNair, instead of a walking corpse. On the first play, Mike Anderson runs for 10 yards. On the next play he runs for 10 yards again. On the next play he runs for 4, and the Ravens cross midfield. Unfortunately, by this time, the Ravens' trainer has managed to reattach Zombie Back's head and the coaches inexplicably send him back into the game. On second down, McNair throws an incomplete, and on third down, the Zombie drops a pass that might well have been good for a first down. A 10-yard punt follows, and the game goes out of control for Baltimore.I haven't seen a defense play pass first against the Ravens and dare them to run in 7 years. The Broncos did it last night. A legit RB -- like Mike Anderson or Musa Smith -- could make opponents pay for playing like this. But a Zombie can't.
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Very well written!
 
Jamal saw 15 carries each against SD and Denver. He'll see around the same number this week against Carolina before the BYE.

Sorry, I'd take Michael Turner's 10 carries vs SF before Jamal's 15 against Carolina.

 
Three weeks ago, I was offered D. Foster/R. Moss for JLew. I turned it down. :bag:

Granted this was after week 2 but who could have guessed.

 
The question is, does anybody think Billick will bench Lewis at some point or not?

It's one thing for Musa to maybe be betetr than Jamal, anopther for the coach to make the switch.

 
Marc Levin said:
bentdent said:
How can a 240 lb RB go down so easily?
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Addicted to crack?(sorry)I agree JLew is not the same runner - hasn't been the same runner since he had 2G. Mike Anderson ran MUCH MUCH better against the Broncos. I haven't watched the Ravens enough - is the OL not opening holes?
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Marc,posting couple of lines up does a nicejob, but to answer your question on the o-line. They are opening holes, mind you not consistently and not gaping. However, they have opened more than enough seems and cut-back lanes in just about every game (not a heck of a lot against SD). Jam has gotten progressively worse with each game. He is dancing more, getting taken down more easily (first defender) and there is NO burst.I watch every game at regular and then in slo-mo (no HD when broadcast on CBS but that's a different story) - clearly, this is a Jamal issue - no question.
 
lod2005 said:
Jamal Lewis is such garbage that he actually bring down the average yards per carry of the worst run defenses in the league. His average per carry vs. OAK, CLE and TB is lower than their average given up per game per game. Ditto the other 2 teams he has faced. He allows a defense to pad it run defense stats. You are gone loser.
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Just finished unloading this loser for a 2008 2nd round pick in a dynasty draft. Adios Sissyboy Lewis.
 
call me crazy, but I was just offered Moulds for Lewis (again). This time, I took it without hesitation.

I really liked Lewis going into the season thinking he was fully healed and ready to roll. I knew what I was getting into, but I was dead wrong. he's done.

 
It's a weird situation. Most other coaches would have benched him by now, #### they would have benched him last year and hung onto Chester Taylor. But Billick... who knows what that guy's thinking but he just sticks with Jamal, who's looked like this for a season and a half now.

:shrug: Guess he makes an OK RB4. Can't cut a guy who's a starter, now matter how awful he is.

 
exactly the problem, jzilla -- what do you do with lewis if you can't cut him because he's a starter on an nfl team? would you replace him with maybe's such as chris perry, vernand morency, or sam gado -- because in most leagues that's all that's available on the waiver wire!

 
You don't do anything unless you can sucker somebody into giving you something for him. He isn't worth much but he's worth more than Morency.

 
Rhino802 said:
Marc Levin said:
bentdent said:
How can a 240 lb RB go down so easily?
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Addicted to crack?(sorry)I agree JLew is not the same runner - hasn't been the same runner since he had 2G. Mike Anderson ran MUCH MUCH better against the Broncos. I haven't watched the Ravens enough - is the OL not opening holes?
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Marc,posting couple of lines up does a nicejob, but to answer your question on the o-line. They are opening holes, mind you not consistently and not gaping. However, they have opened more than enough seems and cut-back lanes in just about every game (not a heck of a lot against SD). Jam has gotten progressively worse with each game. He is dancing more, getting taken down more easily (first defender) and there is NO burst.I watch every game at regular and then in slo-mo (no HD when broadcast on CBS but that's a different story) - clearly, this is a Jamal issue - no question.
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Are you sure you were watching it in slo-mo, or is it just that Jamal is moving that slowly so it seems like slo-mo
 
I traded Lewis today for Ahman Green. Hopefully Green will come back healthy soon, but it is worth the risk cause I feel Lewis is useless at this point.

 
lod2005 said:
lod2005 said:
Jamal Lewis is such garbage that he actually bring down the average yards per carry of the worst run defenses in the league. His average per carry vs. OAK, CLE and TB is lower than their average given up per game per game. Ditto the other 2 teams he has faced. He allows a defense to pad it run defense stats. You are gone loser.
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Just finished unloading this loser for a 2008 2nd round pick in a dynasty draft. Adios Sissyboy Lewis.
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Keep us posted on any other roster moves you make this year.
 
I traded him and Mcnair for Deshaun Foster i think i did good considering that Foster is younger and probably healthy for the first time in his career ( Plus with Williams injury , Foster will be the main back for the rest of the season . When Williams comes back they will probably use him to spell Foster once in a while.

 
Traded him for David Carr. He had an excess of QB's (Bulger/Grossman/Carr) and I was smiling to get rid of j a m a l (say it in slow motion) :D

 
Ravens backfield looking like RBBC

Ravens coach Brian Billick says he won't "get caught up in...how many carries" each of his backs get, rather he'll continue to ride the "hot hand."

Baltimore's backfield is shaping up as a running back by committee. Jamal Lewis may remain the "starter" but, considering his recent ineffectiveness, 12-15 touches per game would be a generous estimation. As was the case Monday night, third-down back Musa Smith and Mike Anderson will play larger roles in a struggling Ravens offense. Oct. 11 - 8:25 am et

Source: Baltimore Sun

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=NFL

 
I'm not expecting much of anything out of Lewis for the rest of this season. Maybe an occasional good game, but nothing consistent and plenty of duds.

I got lucky and traded Lewis and Mike Furrey last week for TJ Houshmandzadeh and Shayne Graham.

I think I can expect better returns from Housh and Graham for the rest of this year. Hell, I even think I like Furrey better than Lewis right now.

Good luck with trying to find someone who will give you any value for him.

 
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