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Jamar Chaney "Relax" thread (1 Viewer)

JOBOOZOSO

JOBOOZOSO

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Before everyone starts going bonkers about Chaney potential, a few things.

1. Bradley being cut doesn't necessarily mean he won't be back in Philly.

2. Linebackers drafted after the fourth round, between 2006 – 2010: 119. Of those LB's only 4 players (3%) became a fantasy starter in their 3rd pro season. I only did data for 3rd season players, so sorry I don't have it for sophomore guys.

3. There's a reason Chaney was a 7th round draft pick. One word = TALENT. If he were really that good, chances are he would have been drafted higher. Jamar Chaney PHI: 5 GP, 178 snaps, 285th rated LB by PFF.

I absolutely would draft Chaney in my IDP leagues, but not until my last pick or so. The only way I want to see him on my roster is as my LB#6 with the SLIM chance at him becoming a fantasy factor.

If you draft him, make sure you're not doing it at the expense of proven talent.

 
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Good luck getting him as your LB6. I have him as my LB4 in a league where we start 3 LBs. We drafted about a month ago and I targeted him for that spot. If there is any way to get his upside on your roster but not be forced into a situation where you have to start him from week 1, I'd say that is ideal.

 
'JOBOOZOSO said:
Before everyone starts going bonkers about Chaney potential, a few things.

1. Bradley being cut doesn't necessarily mean he won't be back in Philly.
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In a conflicting report, however, Les Bowen of the Philadelphia Daily News is quoting Bradley’s agent, Eric Metz, who says the Eagles have shown an interest in bringing back his client and says any reports that the team is allowing Bradley to walk are false

 
Philly isn't letting Bradley go. He's too valuable to their team as he can play several LB'er positions, is solid in coverage and knows the system. Chaney is a nice player, but I would also temper expectations for him. He's a nice LB'er 3/4 but nothing more IMHO.

 
Bradley will have no effect on Chaney this year regardless if he stays or goes, Chaney will be the MLB and they would look to move Bradley to the outside. Only thing that limits Chaney from being a solid LB2 is he can struggle in coverage and could come out in some packages!!!

 
Picked Chaney up off the waiver wire at the end of last season, so really getting ANYTHING is more than I have invested into him. :)

 
Too many have high hopes for Chaney IMO.

As an Eagle homer I wouldn't be surprised to see Bradley come back but Bradly is a MLB not a SLB. I know Jene keeps saying that and I love his assessments but I really see a better fit with Bradley at MLB and Chaney at WLB than having Bradley outside. Not to mention I have heard nothing at all about the Eagles ever wanting Bradly to play SAM. Ridiculous assumptions IMO

And just to clarify Bradley wasn't cut he's a RFA.

 
'therokie0070 said:
Only thing that limits Chaney from being a solid LB2 is he can struggle in coverage and could come out in some packages!!!
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This is why I am warning folks to settle down.

"Only thing"!?!?

Perceived opportunity for playing time does not automatically mean guaranteed production. I call this the JJ Arrington theory. Look it up it that was before your time.

 
'JOBOOZOSO said:
Before everyone starts going bonkers about Chaney potential, a few things.

1. Bradley being cut doesn't necessarily mean he won't be back in Philly.

2. Linebackers drafted after the fourth round, between 2006 – 2010: 119. Of those LB's only 4 players (3%) became a fantasy starter in their 3rd pro season. I only did data for 3rd season players, so sorry I don't have it for sophomore guys.

3. There's a reason Chaney was a 7th round draft pick. One word = TALENT. If he were really that good, chances are he would have been drafted higher. Jamar Chaney PHI: 5 GP, 178 snaps, 285th rated LB by PFF.

I absolutely would draft Chaney in my IDP leagues, but not until my last pick or so. The only way I want to see him on my roster is as my LB#6 with the SLIM chance at him becoming a fantasy factor.

If you draft him, make sure you're not doing it at the expense of proven talent.
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I continue to contend that this data is misleading in absolute terms. Obviously, there's no arguing with the 3% as it's presented. But it lacks texture and context. Including only the first three seasons doesn't account for the season in which the player first got his opportunity. Maybe the first real opportunity wasn't until season four. Maybe it was sooner because the depth chart was kinder, not necessarily because the talent was questionable. And the total number of linebackers drafted between the fourth and seventh rounds includes loads and loads of linebackers drafted to be special teamers or situational players. Eliminating those players who no one ever expected to earn a starting position, much less produce in one, would raise your percentage very significantly.Those who don't fit neatly into the three year window drafted after the third round include:

Stephen Tulloch

London Fletcher

James Harrison

Bradie James

Andra Davis

Gary Brackett

Cameron Wake

David Hawthorne

Michael Boley

Geno Hayes

Desmond Bishop

Paris Lenon

Dhani Jones

Donnie Edwards

Antonio Pierce

Cato June

Stephen Cooper

Clint Session

Shelton Quarles

I'm more than willing to take my lumps on guys like Lance Mitchell, Albert Fincher, Phillip Dillard and others, though I don't think I ever had any of those guys as more than LB40+/LB5 roster flyers at any point in redraft rankings. But I strongly disagree that we should default to the concern that only 3% of late round linebackers pan out. Are we really going to consider players like Jamar Chaney in the same way we look at Zak DeOssie or Mike Humpal or Dallas Sartz?

Consider the pedigree when making your rank lists. It will certainly play into opportunity in some respect. But it's a minor concern at best when considering the upside of a player like Chaney. Teams may wait to draft a player until late despite having a higher draft grade on them. Players drafted late may have talent but had yet to benefit from high level coaching or find motivation in their draft spot.

The PFF rating is also misleading. He ranks poorly -- but almost entirely because of his coverage deficiencies. Those are clearly evident on film. But he's "rated" a better run defender than Curtis Lofton. His per snap tackle count was better (in limited sample size) than Jared Mayo or David Harris and Rolando McClain. Basing any part of an argument on Chaney's 285th PFF LB rating is also seriously flawed.

I've argued to temper expectations on Chaney since last season, but there's no reason to keep him out of your top 50 based on pedigree and PFF rating. In his limited sample size, he's proven himself productive in fantasy terms already. Give him the every down MLB job surrounded by Moise Fokou, Kurt Coleman and whomever the Eagles find to play WLB and he's a 100 solo explosion waiting to happen.

 
'Jene Bramel said:
I continue to contend that this data is misleading in absolute terms.
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:goodposting: Folks need both sides of discussion.Only things I debate are:"Maybe the first real opportunity wasn't until season four" analysis.I am black and white. I don't care about the "why's". If a player was talented, he should have beaten out whomever was ahead of him on the depth chart."linebackers drafted between the fourth and seventh rounds includes loads and loads of linebackers drafted to be special teamers or situational players"Tiers were set up to get players with similar results. So it's not like I'm killing 4th rd guys by lumping them with 7th rounders.
 
Stephen Tulloch - LB - Titans

The Eagles have no interest in free agent MLB Stephen Tulloch, a source tells CSN Philly's Reuben Frank.

Frank adds that the Eagles have minimal interest in free agent Nick Barnett. They are almost certainly in the market for linebacker help, but will likely add someone a tier down from these guys. The Eagles have plenty of confidence in Jamar Chaney as their long-term stud linebacker.

Don't know I buy the last sentence :rolleyes:

 
'kn1v3s0ut said:
'Young 8 said:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/15371055

Philadelphia Eagles defensive coordinator Juan Castillo said rookie LB Casey Matthews is the team's starting middle linebacker because 'he's a natural leader.'Jamar Chaney, who started there last season, moves to the strong side.
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Jene, do you see this arrangement lasting through camp?
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Still think there's a strong chance the Eagles sign a veteran to play ILB, but Chaney seems locked in outside.
 
So... good idea for Chaney owners to drop him for Matthews? This situation is really confusing.

 
Noticed both Norton (August 1 Update) and Rudnicki (August 1 Update) projections still have Chaney listed as the ILB in Philly.

Is that a matter of not believing that the Matthews in the middle reports from early in camp will hold through the regular season?

 
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'Illegal Pants Downfield said:
Noticed both Norton (August 1 Update) and Rudnicki (August 1 Update) projections still have Chaney listed as the ILB in Philly.Is that a matter of not believing that the Matthews in the middle reports from early in camp will hold through the regular season?
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We (usually I) manually update the positions in the player database. They're connected to the projections later in the process. I'm not sure what John or Aaron would say about the prospects of Matthews remaining in the middle, but i think it's most correct to have Chaney listed as an OLB in our database right now. I'll switch him now.Post, email, PM, tweet me if anybody sees others that look out of place. I'll take a deeper look later today. Thanks.
 
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'Jene Bramel said:
'Illegal Pants Downfield said:
Noticed both Norton (August 1 Update) and Rudnicki (August 1 Update) projections still have Chaney listed as the ILB in Philly.Is that a matter of not believing that the Matthews in the middle reports from early in camp will hold through the regular season?
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We (usually I) manually update the positions in the player database. They're connected to the projections later in the process. I'm not sure what John or Aaron would say about the prospects of Matthews remaining in the middle, but i think it's most correct to have Chaney listed as an OLB in our database right now. I'll switch him now.Post, email, PM, tweet me if anybody sees others that look out of place. I'll take a deeper look later today. Thanks.
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Thanks, Jene - :thumbup:
 
Looks like Matthews and Chaney have the nickel snaps for now. (or they are at least referenced as the nickel backers). I read the Eagles were going to run more cover 2. Doesnt that place extra emphasis on the WLB? However, with the WLB not in the nickel this just seems bad for everyone but the MLB. Is that marginally close?

 
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