Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
The NFL lost it's whipping boy. Now who will they pick on? Whoever it is won't hold a candle to JR. The league just got a little more boring.
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
jamarcus russell cut by oakland (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter wazoo11
- Start date
Sadly, all this tells me is that Marinovich actually did something well when he was on the field sober. Russell, never accomplished any of these feats. Unless it was an eating contest at halftime, Russell was 100% useless.
Marinovich being a bust would be like Tim Tebow being a bust. They were late first-rounders -- but most people were pretty shocked by that, expecting them to go a full round or two later.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Per Mike Florio, he said he heard the Raiders, after weeks of negotiating, told Russell they would restructure him down to $4 million with it all guaranteed, and his roster spot would also almost be guaranteed.
He passed. He simply did not want to work for a million dollars.
I think he will be regretting that in 5 years when he is doing cash for gold commercials. Wonder what he will get for his "Chosen One" diamond studded figurine of himself.
He passed. He simply did not want to work for a million dollars.
I think he will be regretting that in 5 years when he is doing cash for gold commercials. Wonder what he will get for his "Chosen One" diamond studded figurine of himself.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
In Marinovich's draft, I'd even call Dan McGwire the bigger bust (drafted higher, and fewer NFL starts).ETA: I remember reading a 1991 fantasy football preview magazine way back then with an article favorably comparing the 1991 QB class of McGwire, Marinovich, Favre, and Nagle with the 1983 QB class. I wish I saved that in retrospect.
Last edited by a moderator:
jackdubl
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm shocked. Al! JaMarcus Russell is a great playa! Alright? Get over it!As for JaMarcus, there are lucrative oppurtunities out there to open a KFC/Taco Bell or two. He could be the King of the Wing.
cr8f
Footballguy
Gallery isn't even listed... 
Raiders top-10 draft busts since 1970
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, May 6th, 2010 at 3:15 pm in Oakland Raiders.
A list of the top 10 Raiders’ first-round busts since the start of the merged draft in 1970:
1_JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU, 2007 (No. 1 overall)
The new standard-bearer for his position, league-wide. Al Davis loves tradition, but this isn’t the kind of history he had in mind.
Who else was available: WR Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech (Detroit), No. 2; RB Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma (Minnesota), No. 7; LB Patrick Willis, Mississippi (San Francisco), No. 11.
2_Todd Marinovich, QB, USC, 1991 (No. 24 overall)
Probably unfair to rate a No. 24 pick this high, but take a look at who went No. 33. Marinovich was beset by drug issues which plagued him long after he was out of the league.
Who else was available: DT Ted Washington, Louisville (Buffalo) No. 25; QB Brett Favre, Southern Mississippi (Atlanta), No. 33.
3_Bob Buczkowski, DE, Pitt, 1986 (No. 24 overall)
Played in a grand total of two games and had one sack for the Raiders in 1987. Was arrested for running a prostitution ring in 2005.
Who else was available: RB Neal Anderson, Florida (Chicago), No. 27; LB Pepper Johnson, Ohio State (New York Giants), No. 51.
4_John Clay, OT, Missouri, 1987 (No. 15 overall)
Started nine games as a rookie, and the Raiders shipped him to San Diego along with two high draft choices for Jim Lachey. Clay played one year and was out of the league. The Raiders eventually sent Lachey, a dominant left tackle, to Washington for Jay Schroeder in one of their worst all-time trades.
Who else was available: OT Harris Barton, North Carolina, (49ers), No. 22; QB Jim Harbaugh, Michigan (Chicago), No. 26.
5_Patrick Bates, safety, Texas A&M, 1993, (No. 12 overall)
The 1993 version of Taylor Mays, Bates looked the part, but walked away from the Raiders the week before their season opener for reasons never fully explained.
Who else was available: RB Robert Smith, Ohio State (Minnesota), No. 21; DT Dana Stubblefield, Kansas (49ers), No. 26.
6_Matt Stinchcomb, tackle, Georgia, 1999 (No. 18 overall)
Considered a `safe’ pick for a team needing a tackle, Stinchcomb arrived with a serious shoulder injury. He was unsuccessfully tried as a starter at tackle, center and guard.
Who else was available: CB Antoine Winfield, Ohio State (Minnesota), No. 23; DE Patrick Kerney, Virginia (Atlanta), No. 29
7_Marc Wilson, quarterback, BYU, 1980 (No. 15 overall)
Measure his 31-19 won-loss record against Raiders QBs of the last seven years and he’s a wild success. In the era of great Raiders teams, he was reviled.
Who else was available: WR Art Monk, Syracuse (Washington), No. 18; RB Joe Cribbs, Auburn, Buffalo (No. 29)
No. 8_Derrick Gibson, safety, Florida State (No. 28 overall)
Another look-the-part safety, who, like Bates, didn’t have the instinct or coverage ability to excel. Coach Jon Gruden wanted and scouts wanted Todd Heap.
Who else was available: WR Reggie Wayne, Miami (Indianapolis), No. 30; TE Todd Heap, Arizona State (Baltimore), No. 31; QB Drew Brees, Purdue (San Diego), No. 32; DE Kyle VandenBosch, Nebraska (Arizona), No. 34.
No. 9_Phillip Buchanon, cornerback, Miami (No. 17 overall)
Provided big plays and touchdowns as a cornerback and return man, but gave up even more, then mysteriously lost his punt return ability. Was eventually traded to Houston.
Who else was available: S Ed Reed, Miami (Baltimore), No. 22; DE Charles Grant, Georgia (New Orleans) No. 25.
No. 10_To be determined . . . but with Russell gone, the pressure is on running back Darren McFadden (No. 4 overall in 2008) and wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey (No. 7 in 2009) to perform.
Raiders top-10 draft busts since 1970
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, May 6th, 2010 at 3:15 pm in Oakland Raiders.
A list of the top 10 Raiders’ first-round busts since the start of the merged draft in 1970:
1_JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU, 2007 (No. 1 overall)
The new standard-bearer for his position, league-wide. Al Davis loves tradition, but this isn’t the kind of history he had in mind.
Who else was available: WR Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech (Detroit), No. 2; RB Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma (Minnesota), No. 7; LB Patrick Willis, Mississippi (San Francisco), No. 11.
2_Todd Marinovich, QB, USC, 1991 (No. 24 overall)
Probably unfair to rate a No. 24 pick this high, but take a look at who went No. 33. Marinovich was beset by drug issues which plagued him long after he was out of the league.
Who else was available: DT Ted Washington, Louisville (Buffalo) No. 25; QB Brett Favre, Southern Mississippi (Atlanta), No. 33.
3_Bob Buczkowski, DE, Pitt, 1986 (No. 24 overall)
Played in a grand total of two games and had one sack for the Raiders in 1987. Was arrested for running a prostitution ring in 2005.
Who else was available: RB Neal Anderson, Florida (Chicago), No. 27; LB Pepper Johnson, Ohio State (New York Giants), No. 51.
4_John Clay, OT, Missouri, 1987 (No. 15 overall)
Started nine games as a rookie, and the Raiders shipped him to San Diego along with two high draft choices for Jim Lachey. Clay played one year and was out of the league. The Raiders eventually sent Lachey, a dominant left tackle, to Washington for Jay Schroeder in one of their worst all-time trades.
Who else was available: OT Harris Barton, North Carolina, (49ers), No. 22; QB Jim Harbaugh, Michigan (Chicago), No. 26.
5_Patrick Bates, safety, Texas A&M, 1993, (No. 12 overall)
The 1993 version of Taylor Mays, Bates looked the part, but walked away from the Raiders the week before their season opener for reasons never fully explained.
Who else was available: RB Robert Smith, Ohio State (Minnesota), No. 21; DT Dana Stubblefield, Kansas (49ers), No. 26.
6_Matt Stinchcomb, tackle, Georgia, 1999 (No. 18 overall)
Considered a `safe’ pick for a team needing a tackle, Stinchcomb arrived with a serious shoulder injury. He was unsuccessfully tried as a starter at tackle, center and guard.
Who else was available: CB Antoine Winfield, Ohio State (Minnesota), No. 23; DE Patrick Kerney, Virginia (Atlanta), No. 29
7_Marc Wilson, quarterback, BYU, 1980 (No. 15 overall)
Measure his 31-19 won-loss record against Raiders QBs of the last seven years and he’s a wild success. In the era of great Raiders teams, he was reviled.
Who else was available: WR Art Monk, Syracuse (Washington), No. 18; RB Joe Cribbs, Auburn, Buffalo (No. 29)
No. 8_Derrick Gibson, safety, Florida State (No. 28 overall)
Another look-the-part safety, who, like Bates, didn’t have the instinct or coverage ability to excel. Coach Jon Gruden wanted and scouts wanted Todd Heap.
Who else was available: WR Reggie Wayne, Miami (Indianapolis), No. 30; TE Todd Heap, Arizona State (Baltimore), No. 31; QB Drew Brees, Purdue (San Diego), No. 32; DE Kyle VandenBosch, Nebraska (Arizona), No. 34.
No. 9_Phillip Buchanon, cornerback, Miami (No. 17 overall)
Provided big plays and touchdowns as a cornerback and return man, but gave up even more, then mysteriously lost his punt return ability. Was eventually traded to Houston.
Who else was available: S Ed Reed, Miami (Baltimore), No. 22; DE Charles Grant, Georgia (New Orleans) No. 25.
No. 10_To be determined . . . but with Russell gone, the pressure is on running back Darren McFadden (No. 4 overall in 2008) and wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey (No. 7 in 2009) to perform.
Dr. No
Footballguy
unfortunately he's probably too dumb to parlay that into a life of not working. I dont' know anything about the guy's personal life, but it wouldn't surprise me if we read about him broke in 3-10 years.you give me 40 million and i'll be off the grid in costa rica living the good life.
lfh3
Footballguy
Sad that the Cincinnati Bengals are represented 3 times on this list.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
But he was
.
.
trader jake
Footballguy
Why did the OP use a surprised emoticon?
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
Gallery is a very solid starter at OG. Sure, he's not the OT the Raiders wanted, but at least he's become a good player after his position switch.cr8f said:Gallery isn't even listed...
I love the SI NFL Front Page Headline "End of an Error"
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writ...sell/index.html
Raiders make smart move by finally severing ties with JaMarcus Russell
Three reactions to the Oakland Raiders' rightful firing of JaMarcus Russell Thursday afternoon:
1. The Raiders continue to have a good offseason for the first time in years.
After dealing for Washington's Jason Campbell to be the starter, Oakland had no good reason to keep Russell on the roster anymore -- not with the coaching staff and players clearly favoring a 1-2 combination of Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski, in some order. Even though Al Davis was rightfully peeved to have gotten only seven wins in three years for his $39-million investment in the lazy Russell, he did the right thing in cutting his losses rather than forcing Russell down the throat of a coach, Tom Cable, who clearly didn't want him. Following the smart drafting of linebacker Rolando McClain with the eighth pick and the well-justified choice of risky tackle Bruce Campbell with the 106th last month, the temptation is to think the Raiders really know what they're doing this offseason.
2. The NFL will use Russell as its biggest chip in talks with the players union about why a rookie wage scale is not only what the league badly wants, but is essential to any well-run business. It hasn't made sense for years for owners to pay 20 or so of the most unproven players in the game millions in guarantees. Russell becomes the poster child for the owners' arguments, and the point is impossible to argue against ... assuming the league does the right thing and guarantees the money not spent on rookies will be spent on deserving veterans.
3. Russell has no one to blame but himself for this embarrassing three-year reign of error.
I remember interviewing Russell and his uncle at the Scouting Combine 38 months ago and listening to the uncle give an impassioned defense of the kid's work ethic, which some teams were openly questioning. Turns out the scouts were right. The Raiders got taken by Russell because Davis fell in love with his arm. Big mistake. Russell loved money and what it bought far, far more than he cared for football.
In the end, the Raiders should have seen this coming miles away. But they realized things would only get worse this year if they brought Russell to training camp, so they made the smart move.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writ...sell/index.html
Raiders make smart move by finally severing ties with JaMarcus Russell
Three reactions to the Oakland Raiders' rightful firing of JaMarcus Russell Thursday afternoon:
1. The Raiders continue to have a good offseason for the first time in years.
After dealing for Washington's Jason Campbell to be the starter, Oakland had no good reason to keep Russell on the roster anymore -- not with the coaching staff and players clearly favoring a 1-2 combination of Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski, in some order. Even though Al Davis was rightfully peeved to have gotten only seven wins in three years for his $39-million investment in the lazy Russell, he did the right thing in cutting his losses rather than forcing Russell down the throat of a coach, Tom Cable, who clearly didn't want him. Following the smart drafting of linebacker Rolando McClain with the eighth pick and the well-justified choice of risky tackle Bruce Campbell with the 106th last month, the temptation is to think the Raiders really know what they're doing this offseason.
2. The NFL will use Russell as its biggest chip in talks with the players union about why a rookie wage scale is not only what the league badly wants, but is essential to any well-run business. It hasn't made sense for years for owners to pay 20 or so of the most unproven players in the game millions in guarantees. Russell becomes the poster child for the owners' arguments, and the point is impossible to argue against ... assuming the league does the right thing and guarantees the money not spent on rookies will be spent on deserving veterans.
3. Russell has no one to blame but himself for this embarrassing three-year reign of error.
I remember interviewing Russell and his uncle at the Scouting Combine 38 months ago and listening to the uncle give an impassioned defense of the kid's work ethic, which some teams were openly questioning. Turns out the scouts were right. The Raiders got taken by Russell because Davis fell in love with his arm. Big mistake. Russell loved money and what it bought far, far more than he cared for football.
In the end, the Raiders should have seen this coming miles away. But they realized things would only get worse this year if they brought Russell to training camp, so they made the smart move.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Classy.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Bodog Jamarcus Russell's next team odds:
Cardinals 3/1
Bills 7/2
Jaguars 4/1
Miami 6/1
Bengals 7/1
49ers 15/2, T ...
about 7 hours ago via web
Would be very amused if he signed with the Fortywhiners.
Cardinals 3/1
Bills 7/2
Jaguars 4/1
Miami 6/1
Bengals 7/1
49ers 15/2, T ...
about 7 hours ago via web
Would be very amused if he signed with the Fortywhiners.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I wonder if a team that doesn't need a QB takes him. Indy makes sense and New England has a history of signing Raiders cast offs. They did sign Andrew Walter last year when no else seemed interested.
cstu
Footballguy
Get your game-worn Russell jersey before it's too late!!! It's not like they are making any more of them.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
JaMarcus Russell officially clears waivers:
Former Oakland Raiders starting quarterback JaMarcus Russell cleared waivers today and is now an unrestricted free agent.
Cut by the Raiders on Thursday, Russell wasn't expected to be claimed.
Why?
Because no team was inclined to take on Russell's $9.45 million base salary.
Drafted first overall by the Raiders, Russell was paid slightly over $39 million in three extremely unproductive seasons.
The 24-year-old has the size and arm strength, but has struggled with his conditioning and decision-making.
It's unclear where he might land.
Former Oakland Raiders starting quarterback JaMarcus Russell cleared waivers today and is now an unrestricted free agent.
Cut by the Raiders on Thursday, Russell wasn't expected to be claimed.
Why?
Because no team was inclined to take on Russell's $9.45 million base salary.
Drafted first overall by the Raiders, Russell was paid slightly over $39 million in three extremely unproductive seasons.
The 24-year-old has the size and arm strength, but has struggled with his conditioning and decision-making.
It's unclear where he might land.
Last edited by a moderator:
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Gallery is a very solid starter at OG. Sure, he's not the OT the Raiders wanted, but at least he's become a good player after his position switch.cr8f said:Gallery isn't even listed...
To a poster ahead of me - JaMarcus has the talent that warrants being signed with a team. But he has shown ZERO desire. I don't care how talented someone may be. If you refuse to put forth any effort it's a waste of time and resources to bring you in.Until he shows he's changed from his reputation, I don't think there's a team in the NFL that should sign him.TommyGilmore
Footballguy
There are plenty of guys who deserve a second chance. Russell hasn't shown that he's one of them.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
it'd be cool to get some authentic game jerseys with no sweat stains.cstu said:
sholditch
Footballguy
I'll take the under on that. I bet he's close to broke right now.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Just because he's lazy doesn't mean he's stupid with his money. He got a lot of cash as the #1 overall pick. He shouldn't have to do another thing for the rest of his life...
cstu
Footballguy
Actually I wouldn't be surprised if he's too lazy to spend the money.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/foot...l.ap/index.html
Payton: Saints have no interest in ex-Raider Russell
METAIRIE, La. (AP) -- Saints coach Sean Payton says he doesn't think now would be the right time for New Orleans to bring in former LSU star JaMarcus Russell.
Russell was a popular college player in Louisiana, putting together a highlight-filled LSU career that led Oakland to make him the No. 1 overall draft choice of 2007. But Russell struggled with the Raiders, who released him on Thursday after thee seasons.
Payton says it's newsworthy when a top draft choice is released after only three seasons and that players like Russell often get a second chance in the NFL.
Payton: Saints have no interest in ex-Raider Russell
METAIRIE, La. (AP) -- Saints coach Sean Payton says he doesn't think now would be the right time for New Orleans to bring in former LSU star JaMarcus Russell.
Russell was a popular college player in Louisiana, putting together a highlight-filled LSU career that led Oakland to make him the No. 1 overall draft choice of 2007. But Russell struggled with the Raiders, who released him on Thursday after thee seasons.
Payton says it's newsworthy when a top draft choice is released after only three seasons and that players like Russell often get a second chance in the NFL.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
I can see him with all his game checks stuffed in a drawer somewhere, b/c he didn't feel like going to the bank to cash them.
Last edited by a moderator:
FavreCo
Footballguy
Ummm...he is stupid. REALLY stupid. He will be broke within 5-10.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
I think it's very clear he's incredibly lazy. But how does this mean he's stupid? Any links to support your statement?
Balco
Footballguy
I don't see how any team could have interest in Russell. You want your backup to be able to come in and win some games for your team. Russell showed that he was comically unprepared as a starter. Could you imagine how lazy he would be as a backup? The guy should not get another shot with an NFL team.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I happen to think anyone who can play a professional sport and make a carrer out of doing so is extremely lucky and fortunate. I think Russel's ability to throw that all away is extremely stupid. If he can't be motivated at a job that pays him so much money and can be extremely rewarding then I happen to think Russel will be lazy in other aspects of life. Not exactly making him stupid, but I know I don't like working with these types of people.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Maybe he hates his job. I wouldn't work hard if I hated my job and had the money to blow it off. Maybe he just wants to party for the rest of his life. I'd probably go travel and party for the rest of my life if I had the means. I just work to enjoy the fun stuff. People work hard at their jobs to get ahead in life. He's got what, 40 million in guaranteed money? If you don't love what you're doing, take it and rest easy for the rest of your life.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I could at least partially understand or respect that if this is how Russel feels. I enjoy the "fun" stuff just as much as the next guy, but if someone is paying me money, especially the type of money Russel was getting I know I would try to do it as best as I can.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
He has the physical talent, that is unquestionable. I think the second chance will come because NFL coaches tend to think that they can coach anyone to be a good player. Some think this more than others and the ego will drive someone to take a chance. Perhaps as a project and have him as their #3 this year and hope that being cut will be a wake up call to the kid. If not, you cut him. It is not like signing him now that they will give him the big bucks or wasted a #1 overall on him.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Shed no more tears for what might have been. Adrian Peterson...sniff, Calvin Johnson...sniff, Patrick Willis...sniff, Darrell Revis...sniffJaMarcus, I think, is done with football. He barely had any motivation to show up for work as the guaranteed clipholder QB with his own personal nanny trainers watching over him. A cool million wasn't enough for him to want that gig this year. Why do you think any team out there would give him more than $1M to "compete" for a spot on the team? He'd have to get used to coaches cussing him out one ear up the other. He'd get fined for showing up late. There would be clauses in his next contract that penalized for excess weight. JaMarcus Russell doesn't believe in himself, and no one else believes either. He never had any love for the game. His final exam was the combine, pro day workout with the one good bowl game over an overrated Notre Dame team. When he passed that exam, he figured it was time to cash checks. Have you ever had to hire a contractor for a home repair of renovation and talked into putting a large deposit down? And then you end up having to call that guy when he doesn't show up at your home, only to get excuse after excuse? This is similar to JaMarcus Russell's story with the Raiders.If there is a lesson to be learned, I say avoid having a team that is so bad you'd get the #1 overall pick. And if that is still unavoidable, stay away from QB's. (yes I wouldn't have drafted Sam Bradford if I was the Rams)....Trade down if possible, even for less apparent value. Until they get a rookie wage scale, the #1 pick will continue to be a curse.He has the physical talent, that is unquestionable. I think the second chance will come because NFL coaches tend to think that they can coach anyone to be a good player. Some think this more than others and the ego will drive someone to take a chance. Perhaps as a project and have him as their #3 this year and hope that being cut will be a wake up call to the kid. If not, you cut him. It is not like signing him now that they will give him the big bucks or wasted a #1 overall on him.
Last edited by a moderator:
Donsmith753
Footballguy
Denver?He has the physical talent, that is unquestionable. I think the second chance will come because NFL coaches tend to think that they can coach anyone to be a good player. Some think this more than others and the ego will drive someone to take a chance. Perhaps as a project and have him as their #3 this year and hope that being cut will be a wake up call to the kid. If not, you cut him. It is not like signing him now that they will give him the big bucks or wasted a #1 overall on him.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Donsmith753
Footballguy
FavreCo
Footballguy
Sure.http://static.nfl.com/static/content/publi...gallery_600.jpg
Can't you see it? I can and lazy pretty much equates to stupid.
I beleive they were making fun of his stupidity over the weekend on the NFL network when they laughed at the notion of Indy giving this loser a backup role. They were imagining him trying to figure out what Manning was doing. Then they said maybe the CFL or arena ball for this clown.
babydemon90
Footballguy
looks like quite a few of them were right on though - with the great talent, but a lot of risks/questions. Mike Mayock seemed to be right.lol @ Mel Kiper's quote though.
