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JaMarcus Russell is back! (1 Viewer)

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Interception... Good to see he didn't get rusty when he was out of the lineup. True professional.

 
Watched the game with my wife (Skins homers here). Son as he came in I told my wife it was over. He is the worst I've seen in a while.

 
Choke said:
jojoh07 said:
I don't care what anyone says , russel is in the top 3 worst qb's i have ever seen in the NFL
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Of people who had a couple years worth of starts... I would agree.
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- Heath Shuler- David Klingler

- Ryan Leaf

Those are three just off the top of my head, and they were worse. Check any stats you want to.

He's NOT one of the worst 3 QBs ever. So he's got that going for him... which is nice. :thumbup:

 
Raider Nation said:
Choke said:
jojoh07 said:
I don't care what anyone says , russel is in the top 3 worst qb's i have ever seen in the NFL
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Of people who had a couple years worth of starts... I would agree.
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- Heath Shuler- David Klingler

- Ryan Leaf

Those are three just off the top of my head, and they were worse. Check any stats you want to.

He's NOT one of the worst 3 QBs ever. So he's got that going for him... which is nice. :fishing:
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But, that's some impressive company to be compared to! :suds:
 
Amazingly he is not as bad as them but JaBustus is a rare specimen. What we are witnessing is a once in a lifetime entertainer. Soon he will be gone from the league so I try and watch as much of his show as possible.

He will definately go down in NFL history as the worst #1 overall pick ever.

 
Raider Nation said:
Choke said:
jojoh07 said:
I don't care what anyone says , russel is in the top 3 worst qb's i have ever seen in the NFL
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Of people who had a couple years worth of starts... I would agree.
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- Heath Shuler- David Klingler

- Ryan Leaf

Those are three just off the top of my head, and they were worse. Check any stats you want to.

He's NOT one of the worst 3 QBs ever. So he's got that going for him... which is nice. :goodposting:
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Yo RN,I'm not sure if he is worst 3 of all time but he is the biggest bust at QB we have seen in maybe the last 5 years, possibly 10. 1st overall, was a project, held out all of training camp as a rookie, really hasn't shown much, can't connect deep with his strong arm, total suxor.

Anyone that doesn't think he is one of the worst is just splitting hairs. he really is putrid and the poster who said a step down from Gradkowski...that sums it up I think.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Raider Nation said:
Choke said:
jojoh07 said:
I don't care what anyone says , russel is in the top 3 worst qb's i have ever seen in the NFL
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Of people who had a couple years worth of starts... I would agree.
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- Heath Shuler- David Klingler

- Ryan Leaf

Those are three just off the top of my head, and they were worse. Check any stats you want to.

He's NOT one of the worst 3 QBs ever. So he's got that going for him... which is nice. :goodposting:
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Yo RN,I'm not sure if he is worst 3 of all time but he is the biggest bust at QB we have seen in maybe the last 5 years, possibly 10. 1st overall, was a project, held out all of training camp as a rookie, really hasn't shown much, can't connect deep with his strong arm, total suxor.

Anyone that doesn't think he is one of the worst is just splitting hairs. he really is putrid and the poster who said a step down from Gradkowski...that sums it up I think.
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Oh, don't get me wrong... he is AWFUL.But he's not worst-3-quarterbacks-ever AWFUL. Fair is fair. :wall:

 
Raider Nation said:
Oh, don't get me wrong... he is AWFUL.

But he's not worst-3-quarterbacks-ever AWFUL. Fair is fair. :lmao:
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I think its hair splitting...for what he is being paid he likely is right near the bottom. He will make some big lists for all time busts. Eventually they will come out with a new "All Bust" special, and with Eugene Chung, Tony Manadarich, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, he is going to take his seat atop with those guys. You can say he isn't worst 3 but I bet some media types would argue that he is pretty close. I thought Oakland might be able to string together a couple wins here and maybe go 7-9 and get out of that ginormous up front money in the draft but I can see that likely isn't going to happen. Its fun to root against the Raiders and the NFL would be better if they were better. It's not that much fun to see them lose all the time. Whatever wrong they did to teams in the 70s and 80s they have repaid, time to get better.

 
It's always possible he's a "change of scenery" guy, but honestly, I'm having a hard time coming up with a scenario in which he'd be successful. You can't teach heart.

 
I'd like to add some other names for consideration. Let's see.......

Rick Mirer, Cade Mcnown (spellcheck), Quincy Carter, Todd Marinovich

 
Choke said:
Knobs said:
Couldn't they have drafted Calvin Johnson instead?
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They could have.But even as much disdain as I have for Jarmarcus Russell as an epic failure of a NFL QB... I dont fault the drafting of him. The QB position means so much in the NFL that you have to take the shots on getting a franchise changer, if he grades out well enough. But inevtiably you are going to miss on many of the picks. Thats the nature of it.
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No, this was just a bad pick. The guy was unimpressive in college, and it was clear as day at the time that he wasn't an NFL QB.ETA: If they just had to have a QB (and I don't think they did), Quinn was the better pick. He's turned out pretty badly (so far) as well, but at least there was some hope at the time for him turning out OK.
 
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Choke said:
Knobs said:
Couldn't they have drafted Calvin Johnson instead?
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They could have.But even as much disdain as I have for Jarmarcus Russell as an epic failure of a NFL QB... I dont fault the drafting of him. The QB position means so much in the NFL that you have to take the shots on getting a franchise changer, if he grades out well enough. But inevtiably you are going to miss on many of the picks. Thats the nature of it.
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I agree misses are bound to happen. I thought drafting Alex Smith wasn't a bad choice...whoops. I thought Russell was a lousy choice to begin with. Calvin was supposed to be a phenomenal talent. A special player. Perhaps as talented as Randy Moss...who they had just traded. JaMarcus wasn't a good pick...at the time or in hindsight. There were many other needs to be filled with many better talents.Sorry Raider fans. I hope your team turns it around sooner rather than later. But thanks for Crabtree.
 
Rich Conway said:
Choke said:
Knobs said:
Couldn't they have drafted Calvin Johnson instead?
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They could have.But even as much disdain as I have for Jarmarcus Russell as an epic failure of a NFL QB... I dont fault the drafting of him.

The QB position means so much in the NFL that you have to take the shots on getting a franchise changer, if he grades out well enough. But inevtiably you are going to miss on many of the picks. Thats the nature of it.
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No, this was just a bad pick. The guy was unimpressive in college, and it was clear as day at the time that he wasn't an NFL QB.ETA: If they just had to have a QB (and I don't think they did), Quinn was the better pick. He's turned out pretty badly (so far) as well, but at least there was some hope at the time for him turning out OK.
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YUp played well in the bowl game I believe and the strength of his arm fooled many i guess.
 
jojoh07 said:
Rich Conway said:
Choke said:
Knobs said:
Couldn't they have drafted Calvin Johnson instead?
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They could have.But even as much disdain as I have for Jarmarcus Russell as an epic failure of a NFL QB... I dont fault the drafting of him.

The QB position means so much in the NFL that you have to take the shots on getting a franchise changer, if he grades out well enough. But inevtiably you are going to miss on many of the picks. Thats the nature of it.
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No, this was just a bad pick. The guy was unimpressive in college, and it was clear as day at the time that he wasn't an NFL QB.ETA: If they just had to have a QB (and I don't think they did), Quinn was the better pick. He's turned out pretty badly (so far) as well, but at least there was some hope at the time for him turning out OK.
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YUp played well in the bowl game I believe and the strength of his arm fooled many i guess.
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Just had to fool 1, Al Davis. But that is SOP for Al - It's all about the measureables.
 
:sigh:

We've been over this before. You're all just trying to look smart and pile on Al right now.

Calling Russell a bad pick at the time he was drafted is nothing but revisionist history. Go look at the scouting reports prior to the draft. Nearly every "draft expert" commended Oakland for the selection, and said Russell was a no-brainer pick.

Unfortunately, I didn't expect him to LITERALLY be a no-brainer.

 
Choke said:
Raider Nation said:
:sigh:

We've been over this before. You're all just trying to look smart and pile on Al right now.

Calling Russell a bad pick at the time he was drafted is nothing but revisionist history. Go look at the scouting reports prior to the draft. Nearly every "draft expert" commended Oakland for the selection, and said Russell was a no-brainer pick.

Unfortunately, I didn't expect him to LITERALLY be a no-brainer.
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I'm not.Taking a shot at a QB is a different animal for a franchise in need. People really need to learn to to understand that aspect.
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:goodposting: I was referring to the two posts immediately prior to mine, for the record.

 
Raider Nation said:
:sigh:

We've been over this before. You're all just trying to look smart and pile on Al right now.

Calling Russell a bad pick at the time he was drafted is nothing but revisionist history. Go look at the scouting reports prior to the draft. Nearly every "draft expert" commended Oakland for the selection, and said Russell was a no-brainer pick.

Unfortunately, I didn't expect him to LITERALLY be a no-brainer.
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Meh. I got into lots of arguments with my good friend (a Raiders fan) saying what a mistake it would be if they took anyone but Calvin. Russell looked good but Calvin simply looked dominant. Imo an elite wr will significantly boost the level of a qb.

Russell could have panned out but I never thought he looked too good to pass. Calvin did.

 
Knobs said:
Raider Nation said:
:sigh:

We've been over this before. You're all just trying to look smart and pile on Al right now.

Calling Russell a bad pick at the time he was drafted is nothing but revisionist history. Go look at the scouting reports prior to the draft. Nearly every "draft expert" commended Oakland for the selection, and said Russell was a no-brainer pick.

Unfortunately, I didn't expect him to LITERALLY be a no-brainer.
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Meh. I got into lots of arguments with my good friend (a Raiders fan) saying what a mistake it would be if they took anyone but Calvin. Russell looked good but Calvin simply looked dominant. Imo an elite wr will significantly boost the level of a qb.

Russell could have panned out but I never thought he looked too good to pass. Calvin did.
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I never liked the Russell pick. It was Kyle Boller hype about his arm strength and size. I never like to see a QB picked that high based on his arm strength when other attributes are so much more important. When Atlanta drafted Ryan I said that guy looks like a future fantasy starter while a lot of critics said he didnt have a great arm. IMO Russell even if he fulfilled his potential would only be an average starting QB in the NFL. Being an NFL QB is not about having a stronger arm than the next guy. I knew Al Davis wouldnt go for Quinn because Al loves the deep pass. The problem is this idea that a rebuilding team should draft a QB with that top pick. That idea made so many people say Oakland should draft Russell even though everybody knew he wasnt the best player on the board. Nobody considered Russell the number one college player. People just say that team needs a QB so they better draft one with their top pick. Its foolish, and Russell is only one example.
 
Obviously they don't bring the potential draftee in, show him film and ask what he would do facing a particular defensive scheme. No doubt Russell would say, 'I count 11 guys on defense' and the Raiders would say, 'you are a franchise QB.'

How could they interview this moron and not come away thinking he has no clue?

 
FavreCo said:
Amazingly he is not as bad as them but JaBustus is a rare specimen. What we are witnessing is a once in a lifetime entertainer. Soon he will be gone from the league so I try and watch as much of his show as possible.

He will definately go down in NFL history as the worst #1 overall pick ever.
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I thought Leaf was the benchmark here...Whoops--thought twice before posting this and rechecked; forgot he was actually pick #2 in Manning's year. I did find something for y'all's reading pleasure:

Worst all-time first-round picks

And--given the choices--I'd have to agree that 'JaBustus' just might take over this slot!! :thumbdown:

 
Why would they waste one more down on JaFatness. He is right up there with Ryan Leaf.

ETA: Make a staement and cut his fat ### today.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
.....does Oak start JMarc this week?

Or add the ultimate insult and bench him for Frye? Which would mean he's really 3rd string, not 2nd.
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What is a JMarc?What is the requirement for such a nickname? He's obviously no BGrad and no CFrye.

If anything his nickname is JTurd.

 
This was Russell's response when asked to grade his performance this year:

"Uh, kind of hard because there was times where you try to get guys a chance to make plays and at the early part of the year, it wasn't happening. So the quarterback job, I say he looks for more help around from everybody because he can't do it himself. It wasn't so well, but at times it was. When we look at film, it don't be as bad as it seems on the field always."
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No Jamarcus it don't be as bad as it seems, it be much, much worse.
 
lol @ Cable saying he's not sure who he'll go with... Frye or Russell. When you have a hard time making this decision, it's seriously time to cut your losses. I feel bad for Raiders fans.. how long until it's realistic to cut him, contract wise? The guy openly said he'll never rework his contract, obviously.. it doesn't look like he'll ever get another payday in the NFL.

 
FavreCo said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
.....does Oak start JMarc JPork this week?

Or add the ultimate insult and bench him for Frye? Which would mean he's really 3rd string, not 2nd.
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What is a JMarc?What is the requirement for such a nickname? He's obviously no BGrad and no CFrye.

If anything his nickname is JTurd.
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You're right.Fixed.

 
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Da Guru said:
What cap issues would the Raider have if they cut Russell after the season?
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possibly none, if 2010 is uncapped.at least i don't think so.9/10/2007: Signed a six-year, $61 million contract. The deal contains $32 million guaranteed, including all six years' base salaries and a $19.9 million option bonus in the second year. Also available is a onetime performance bonus of $2.8 million. Another $7 million is available through incentives. Russell earned a $3 million escalator for 2010 by taking over 45% of the snaps in 2008. 2009: $7,805,880, 2010: $9.45 million, 2011: $9.35 million, 2012: $583,500 (Voidable Year), 2013: Free Agentordinarily, any amortized signing bonus along w/the guaranteed money from 2011 would accelerate into 2010, but if there's no cap then they just have to pay up on an extra 18m cash a little quicker than they'd normally have to, as far as I know.not that I'm any contract lawyer.unfortunately for the raiders, it doesn't look like cutting him saves much money, as his base salaries are guaranteed, although I don't know what those incentives are.you wouldn't think he'd be hitting many incentives, but maybe it's total hotdogs eaten, or whatever.and the preferred nick is Off-the-marcus.
 
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Chaka said:
This was Russell's response when asked to grade his performance this year:

"Uh, kind of hard because there was times where you try to get guys a chance to make plays and at the early part of the year, it wasn't happening. So the quarterback job, I say he looks for more help around from everybody because he can't do it himself. It wasn't so well, but at times it was. When we look at film, it don't be as bad as it seems on the field always."
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No Jamarcus it don't be as bad as it seems, it be much, much worse.
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I'm going to need an Interpretation: If this is how he talks in the huddle no wonder they can't execute a play.
 
I am not going to get into the debate over worst pick ever.... but I would be willing to argue for a long time with anyone anywhere that this guy has a chance of being an average starting QB in the NFL, if there is anyone left on his side.

 
Carter_Can_Fly said:
I am not going to get into the debate over worst pick ever.... but I would be willing to argue for a long time with anyone anywhere that this guy has a chance of being an average starting QB in the NFL, if there is anyone left on his side.
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Did he show you something today ??
 
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