Jamarcus Russell (1 Viewer)

[Brunell4MVP]

I haven't seen a Raiders game this year, but someone said Jamarcus Russell was the worst QB they had ever seen. Leaf-esqe without the attitude.

http://www.nfl.com/players/jamarcusrussell...gs?id=RUS539462

His stat line (at link above) is horrid. 42.4 QB rating, 39% completion percentage, 1 TD, 4 INTs, 4.7 YPC.

Is he really that bad or is it just the Raiders in general? Would he be an OK QB on an average talent team like Tampa, Washington, Carolina, etc?

 

[PR Sparty]

it's him. from what i've seen he's horrible. bad decision making or not accurate.

 

[One]

Games 1-3 he was REALLY BAD.

Last Sunday all of the Raiders were REALLY BAD, Russell was just BAD.

 

[Chaka]

The performance of the Raiders this season is an indictment of the entire franchise.

The receiving corps is very young and inexperienced leading to many mistakes.

Jamarcus is lazy and does not care about his football legacy.

The coaches are failing to motivate their franchise player and get the players prepared for game day.

Ownership is rearranging deck chairs while the boat is sinking.

The Raiders are 25-75 since their last Super Bowl appearance.

It must be difficult to be a Raider fan.

 

[jon_mx]

He is actually not that bad....he is much worse.

 

[One]

What are the odds Oakland takes a QB with their 1st pick in the '09 Draft?

 

[Chaka]

What are the odds Oakland takes a QB with their 1st pick in the '09 Draft?

It depends do any of the potential candidates have a bigger arm than Russell? If not then they will take the fastest player regardless of position.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Right now Russell is doing slightly better than Leaf's rookie season and slightly worse than Akili Smith's 1999-2000 heyday. David Klingler and Andre Ware look like pro-bowlers in comparison.

 

[Hedgehog]

Ryan Leaf the sequel....

 

[GreenNGold]

Yes, he is terribad.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Is he really that bad or is it just the Raiders in general?

Chicken/Egg

 

[wudaben]

Funny thing is that in Jeff Garcia's statement he made last week about the state of the Raiders franchise he stated that JaMarcus was making all of his throws in practice in a one on one environment but he thought too much pressure was being placed on him at this stage of his career.

 

[perry147]

Right now Russell is doing slightly better than Leaf's rookie season and slightly worse than Akili Smith's 1999-2000 heyday. David Klingler and Andre Ware look like pro-bowlers in comparison.

This is Russell's third year in the league. So when comparing Ryan's rookie year compared against Russell's third then you can say that Russell is better - but not by much.

 

[moondog]

Just another in a very long line of first round busts. Of course it doesn't help he went to the most disorganized franchise in the league. Al Davis makes Jerry Jones look like a hands off owner.

 

[Da Guru]

Knowing what they know now, Russell would not be drafted out of college, he would probably be signed as a FA and brought in to be a #3 QB and hold a clipboard, and hopefully pick up some knowledge of the NFL game and possible be a backup one day.

 

[travdogg]

JaMarcus Russell is the worst QB in NFL history that has unquestioned job security.

 

[travdogg]

Knowing what they know now, Russell would not be drafted out of college, he would probably be signed as a FA and brought in to be a #3 QB and hold a clipboard, and hopefully pick up some knowledge of the NFL game and possible be a backup one day.

I doubt that would be true. He certainly wouldn't go #1 or even in round 1, but I'm sure some coach would think he could mold the big arm into a good QB. I'd guess if we redrafted Russell would go no later than the end of round 4 and possibly as high as the end of round 2.At the time of the pick I remember thinking the Raiders were making a huge mistake. Of course I thought they should have taken Joe Thomas(not Calvin or Peterson) so I can hardly claim to know best either.

 

[Chaka]

Knowing what they know now, Russell would not be drafted out of college, he would probably be signed as a FA and brought in to be a #3 QB and hold a clipboard, and hopefully pick up some knowledge of the NFL game and possible be a backup one day.

I doubt that would be true. He certainly wouldn't go #1 or even in round 1, but I'm sure some coach would think he could mold the big arm into a good QB. I'd guess if we redrafted Russell would go no later than the end of round 4 and possibly as high as the end of round 2.At the time of the pick I remember thinking the Raiders were making a huge mistake. Of course I thought they should have taken Joe Thomas(not Calvin or Peterson) so I can hardly claim to be know best either.

Joe Thomas looks to be a heckuva player on a bad team. Any of those guys would be preferable to Jamarcus.

 

[Da Guru]

Knowing what they know now, Russell would not be drafted out of college, he would probably be signed as a FA and brought in to be a #3 QB and hold a clipboard, and hopefully pick up some knowledge of the NFL game and possible be a backup one day.

I doubt that would be true. He certainly wouldn't go #1 or even in round 1, but I'm sure some coach would think he could mold the big arm into a good QB. I'd guess if we redrafted Russell would go no later than the end of round 4 and possibly as high as the end of round 2.At the time of the pick I remember thinking the Raiders were making a huge mistake. Of course I thought they should have taken Joe Thomas(not Calvin or Peterson) so I can hardly claim to know best either.

I prefaced it by saying "knowing what we know now" I am sure some team would take a chance but you are right..probably no earlier than the 4th rd.

 

[Chaka]

Knowing what they know now, Russell would not be drafted out of college, he would probably be signed as a FA and brought in to be a #3 QB and hold a clipboard, and hopefully pick up some knowledge of the NFL game and possible be a backup one day.

I doubt that would be true. He certainly wouldn't go #1 or even in round 1, but I'm sure some coach would think he could mold the big arm into a good QB. I'd guess if we redrafted Russell would go no later than the end of round 4 and possibly as high as the end of round 2.At the time of the pick I remember thinking the Raiders were making a huge mistake. Of course I thought they should have taken Joe Thomas(not Calvin or Peterson) so I can hardly claim to know best either.

I prefaced it by saying "knowing what we know now" I am sure some team would take a chance but you are right..probably no earlier than the 4th rd.

I've said it before and I'll say it again; the combination of Paul Hackett and Ted Tollner would have ruined the career of Peyton Manning. They are horrible coaches.Brett Favre may have been nothing more than a scrub backup with a cannon (ala Billy Joe Tolliver) if Mike Holmgren hadn't been the guy who took a chance on him and had guys like Gruden, Mooch etc. teaching him the game.And no I am not saying Jamarcus will be the next Brett Favre but he could have been so much better if those two jokers weren't the ones coaching him up.

 

[sm8680]

From top to bottom.

I can't think of any team that rostered 3 worse Quarterbacks than Jamarcus Russell, Bruce Gradkowski, and Charlie Frye. Sad thing is 2 of these rejects are ex browns.

 

[Two Deep]

Knowing what they know now, Russell would not be drafted out of college, he would probably be signed as a FA and brought in to be a #3 QB and hold a clipboard, and hopefully pick up some knowledge of the NFL game and possible be a backup one day.

Holding a clipboard would be to much work for this lazy bum.

 

[ExtraPoint]

Yes, its the fault of his receivers and line. On a good team he'd have a 45 percent completion rate.

 

[FavreCo]

The Contra Costa Times reports Boomer Esiason, former NFL quarterback and studio host for "NFL Today" on CBS, said on the air Sunday that Oakland Raiders QB JaMarcus Russell had been fined heavily for "being overweight and being late to meetings," adding that the quarterback had missed one meeting all together.

Worthless turd. Fat and lazy at the most intellectually demanding position. Yeah, this will work.

 

[Chaka]

The Contra Costa Times reports Boomer Esiason, former NFL quarterback and studio host for "NFL Today" on CBS, said on the air Sunday that Oakland Raiders QB JaMarcus Russell had been fined heavily for "being overweight and being late to meetings," adding that the quarterback had missed one meeting all together.Worthless turd. Fat and lazy at the most intellectually demanding position. Yeah, this will work.

He's stealing money.

 

[TommyGilmore]

The Contra Costa Times reports Boomer Esiason, former NFL quarterback and studio host for "NFL Today" on CBS, said on the air Sunday that Oakland Raiders QB JaMarcus Russell had been fined heavily for "being overweight and being late to meetings," adding that the quarterback had missed one meeting all together.Worthless turd. Fat and lazy at the most intellectually demanding position. Yeah, this will work.

He's stealing money.

That will certainly be Al Davis' justification for not paying Russell all the money that he's owed. Just wait.

 

[hostile]

Fatmarcus is the case-in-point for capped rookie contracts.

He got his pay day. Where's the guy's incentive to perform?

 

[fozzy fosbourne]

The Contra Costa Times reports Boomer Esiason, former NFL quarterback and studio host for "NFL Today" on CBS, said on the air Sunday that Oakland Raiders QB JaMarcus Russell had been fined heavily for "being overweight and being late to meetings," adding that the quarterback had missed one meeting all together.Worthless turd. Fat and lazy at the most intellectually demanding position. Yeah, this will work.

I was just going to post this. So far it seems like the arguments defending Russell have all been looking at his numbers and comparing those to other QBs that had a rough start statistically. But, don't the intangibles have to count for something? How many times has a QB had terrible statistics AND been pegged as an underachiever and then turned it around?

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

The Contra Costa Times reports Boomer Esiason, former NFL quarterback and studio host for "NFL Today" on CBS, said on the air Sunday that Oakland Raiders QB JaMarcus Russell had been fined heavily for "being overweight and being late to meetings," adding that the quarterback had missed one meeting all together.Worthless turd. Fat and lazy at the most intellectually demanding position. Yeah, this will work.

I was just going to post this. So far it seems like the arguments defending Russell have all been looking at his numbers and comparing those to other QBs that had a rough start statistically. But, don't the intangibles have to count for something? How many times has a QB had terrible statistics AND been pegged as an underachiever and then turned it around?

Some would say Bradshaw but I think the situation with him is entirely different in regards to the surrounding talent and organization.

 

[j ViLLA x PE]

I can't tell if its his fault or the coaches (changes) fault.

I've seen every game that Russell has played as a pro and there is a SIGNIFICANT difference in his game play. His receivers are raw though, and drop a lot of passes.

This year i've noticed he's been very inaccurate....either that or his rookie receivers are running the wrong routes; in preseason he was connecting no problem to Zach Miller and Chaz Schilens.

He does have problems with soft touch passes and short dumpoffs. Under Lane Kiffin, he did a lot of rollout plays very well and operated nice under shotgun. This year, that seems to be abandoned and they are going back to the 5-7 step drops, reminiscent of the Andrew Walter era and we all remember how that went...even with Randy Moss.

That's my analysis......it looks like he doesn't care though that he's not progressing though or getting the timing down with his rookie WRs.

 

[barista]

in start 2 QB leagues it would be no surprise to see him on waivers.

I'd rather take the zero than risk him.

 

[TitusIII]

in start 2 QB leagues he's on waivers.I'd rather take the zero than risk him.

We can roster up to 4 QB's in my dynasty league, he's been on the WW for two weeks. I don't like to call any QB a bust before they hit 27-28 or so...but it 'aint looking to good for JR.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

JaBackfoot is AWFUL!!!!!!!!!!

 

[PewterFan]

If the Raiders were to drop him today he'd no longer be in the league. I almost feel bad for Raiders fans.

 

[GregR_2]

...I've seen every game that Russell has played as a pro and there is a SIGNIFICANT difference in his game play. His receivers are raw though, and drop a lot of passes. ...

Steve Tasker made a comment during the broadcast that Russell doesn't get the ball off to his receivers when the receiver is just coming open. Said a lot of the time he throws the ball to someone who had been open but now has defenders closing the gap on him, making it tougher to catch passes from Russell than from other QBs who get the ball out on time.

 

[Seymour Corn]

The coach should punch him out.

 

[drew726]

I heard the only reason he isn't leading the league in interceptions is because not only does he not throw the ball close to his receivers, he doesn't throw the ball in the vicinity of any players at all.

 

[bakes]

In the (admittedly limited as we're lucky enough to not get stuck with having to watch the Raiders in NY) times I've seen him play, he looks to have all the accuracy of an open pan of Jiffy Pop. I've seen high school quarterbacks who look better, certainly some who are more accurate - and that's not much if any of an exaggeration. He misses some throws on his own - not due to pressure, not due to coverage or blown routes, he just throws the ball poorly.

Not sure it will change without an injection of new attitude or a new situation. Wonder what someone like Singletary would do to him. THAT would be scary.

 

[Chaka]

I think the only reasonable solution is for the Raiders to trade for Braylon Edwards.

QB who can't throw + WR who can't catch = Championship.

It's higher math.