KellysHeroes
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The guys just isn't performing... is it time to deal him away or make a move in leagues u don't have him in?
You don't think the Williams brothers are eating up the tackles.I wish folks were willing to sell. Couldn't get him this week anywhere.
I don't think so. The Vikings won't provide anywhere near the tackle opportunity that the Chiefs did for Allen, though I'd expect him to pick his tackle stats up at some point. The sack numbers aren't too concerning for those looking to future weeks. His matchups haven't been great thus far (and the Saints aren't much better this week), but he's had plenty of quarterback hits through four weeks.He won't get to 55 solos this season and will now struggle to hit mid double digit sacks, but he's still a good bet to have a more Allen-like final 10 games.You don't think the Williams brothers are eating up the tackles.I wish folks were willing to sell. Couldn't get him this week anywhere.
Got him in a 16 team for a 3rd, S. Ellis (NYJ) and TullochJene Bramel said:I wish folks were willing to sell. Couldn't get him this week anywhere.
Totally agree.I would say he's a buy low. He is proven. Just a matter of time before he starts putting up the numbers.
Agreed. Allen's numbers can only be helped if/when the Vikings start playing with a lead. That dome can be very difficult for offensive lineman and the defensive tackles will help collapse the pocket more than they did in Kansas City.Totally agree.I would say he's a buy low. He is proven. Just a matter of time before he starts putting up the numbers.![]()
Just like Peppers last year? I hope so, I just acquired him, but I am not sold.Agreed. Allen's numbers can only be helped if/when the Vikings start playing with a lead. That dome can be very difficult for offensive lineman and the defensive tackles will help collapse the pocket more than they did in Kansas City.Totally agree.I would say he's a buy low. He is proven. Just a matter of time before he starts putting up the numbers.![]()
When u rated anywhere from DL#1 - 3.... match up isn't supposed to matter. Guy has been dud so far.Four of the five teams Allen has faced thus far this year have given up 9 or fewer sacks. Of the 12 games remaining on the schedule, Allen has 9 games in which he faces offenses that have let up greater than 10 sacks, only three teams that have given up fewer than 9 sacks. On average, the teams Allen has played thus far have given up 6.8 sacks/game. The teams he faces on the rest of the schedule have given up 9.9. He can only go up as the teams that he's facing give up more sacks and he gets more comfortable with his teammates around him. I'd definately be buying.
True. Matchup shouldn't matter much for the true studs.However, the preseason ranking shouldn't matter much when considering the original question. What's critical to answering the question is whether he's the same player and whether he may be likely to rebound. I think sej's post suggests that it's still not an easy decision.I think the matchups have had a role in his pass rush production. Allen now has nine QBHs in five games, but only two sacks. He has three passes defensed in five games. Coulda, shoulda, woulda, but those numbers suggest he's been just as active in pass rush against what have proven to be below-average matchups. What should have us concerned are the tackle numbers. That's really the thrust of why Allen was generally considered the top overall DL this season. Prior to last season, he really hadn't sniffed the double digit sack numbers that he finished with last year. Minnesota's tackle opportunity is slightly below the league and historical averages, but not enough to feel comfortable that his lack of tackle production is as likely to rebound as his sack numbers.Allen needs a good week against Detroit if the above arguments is to hold any water in future weeks.When u rated anywhere from DL#1 - 3.... match up isn't supposed to matter. Guy has been dud so far.Four of the five teams Allen has faced thus far this year have given up 9 or fewer sacks. Of the 12 games remaining on the schedule, Allen has 9 games in which he faces offenses that have let up greater than 10 sacks, only three teams that have given up fewer than 9 sacks. On average, the teams Allen has played thus far have given up 6.8 sacks/game. The teams he faces on the rest of the schedule have given up 9.9. He can only go up as the teams that he's facing give up more sacks and he gets more comfortable with his teammates around him. I'd definately be buying.
My point is that I think giving up on him now is a little premature. Bad matchups aren't supposed to hurt the studs, but good matchups help anyone. Now that he's entering into some games (Detroit this week) where he should post at least 1 sack, I think if you want to deal him, you wait until he has a decent game rather than selling him before it. If you drafted Allen and trade him before he faces Detroit, I think that could be a mistake.KellysHeroes said:When u rated anywhere from DL#1 - 3.... match up isn't supposed to matter. Guy has been dud so far.southeastjerome said:Four of the five teams Allen has faced thus far this year have given up 9 or fewer sacks. Of the 12 games remaining on the schedule, Allen has 9 games in which he faces offenses that have let up greater than 10 sacks, only three teams that have given up fewer than 9 sacks. On average, the teams Allen has played thus far have given up 6.8 sacks/game. The teams he faces on the rest of the schedule have given up 9.9. He can only go up as the teams that he's facing give up more sacks and he gets more comfortable with his teammates around him. I'd definately be buying.
Give me a stud DE anyday over a "potential" above average qb.Vikings traded the 17th pick and others for Allen. They could have picked Flacco.Gotta love Childress.![]()
Exactly, too many "stud" QB's bust in the 1st round.Give me a stud DE anyday over a "potential" above average qb.Vikings traded the 17th pick and others for Allen. They could have picked Flacco.Gotta love Childress.![]()
1 TD/4 INT's and a QB rating of 61.9.Vikings traded the 17th pick and others for Allen. They could have picked Flacco.
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Sit him and have Frerotte break him in. Football is about the future.1 TD/4 INT's and a QB rating of 61.9.Vikings traded the 17th pick and others for Allen. They could have picked Flacco.
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and his team is what, 2 - 2? plus they took Pitt into overtime in his 1st MNF game. And theres no ADP over there or totally overrated O-Line. Flacco is a stud in the making, if u can't see that; you blind.1 TD/4 INT's and a QB rating of 61.9.Vikings traded the 17th pick and others for Allen. They could have picked Flacco.
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I don't have much love for Childress, but that was a good move, IMO. The Vikings have been in every game they've played, and Allen has been pressuring the QB even if the stats aren't great. For Childress, he needs to open things up earlier in the game (ie. pass downfield) and until he does that, every game will be a nail-biter.Now the Vikes can go out in the offseason, and get a QB (maybe a FA WR?) and be contenders next year. I know they were supposed to be contenders this year, but I always thought that was a little premature with Tarvaris.Anyways, back to the OP, Allen is definitely a buy low right now, and if you don't think he will produce going forward, then sell after his next big game.Vikings traded the 17th pick and others for Allen. They could have picked Flacco.Gotta love Childress.![]()
[/bWell consider me "blind"and his team is what, 2 - 2? plus they took Pitt into overtime in his 1st MNF game. And theres no ADP over there or totally overrated O-Line. Flacco is a stud in the making, if u can't see that; you blind.1 TD/4 INT's and a QB rating of 61.9.Vikings traded the 17th pick and others for Allen. They could have picked Flacco.
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I will buy him or hold as much as I can. The Sack bunches will come. Yesterday was Kevin Williams day because he wasn't double teamed, but I guarantee Chicago will double team him next week. Allen will get his sacks. Will he lead the league, probably not, but he will get his share.I think we may have held to long, even the J Allen lovers won't give up much now....
Do you want people to convince you to keep him? If you don't want him sell for someone you think will be better in the future. I'm keeping him.where are the other Allen Defenders??? And, if he has one good game this week, I don't want to hear it... he needs a string of 4 or 5 good games to get back to his draft stock