Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Going into the draft I thought OLB Jarvis Jones was the top IDP player in this draft but he fell, a bit further than I thought he would in the draft. I thought the Steelers got a bargain.
I heard a few things but brushed them off but it seems that maybe he did fall for a few reasons I wasn’t aware of.
A few weeks ago, right after the draft. ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay stopped by a local Cleveland radio affiliate of ESPN and gave his overview of the Browns draft and many in the Cleveland media grumbled about not making a trade-down with the Rams to pick up an extra second round pick instead of taking LB Barkevious Mingo with the first pick. The prevailing thought was to trade down and draft LB Jarvis Jones who was the top ranked player on fellow ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper’s big board early in the draft process.
McShay gave a cautionary take on Jarvis Jones.
Go to the 9:30 mark of this pod cast to hear McShay’s take on Jarvis Jones.
http://espncleveland.com/common/page.php?pt=podcenter&id=79
05/01/13 - Todd McShay
Added: 5/1/13
ESPN draft analyst, Todd McShay, joins the Really Big Show discussing the Browns draft, Barkevious Mingo, and Leon McFadden.
Todd McShay’s response when asked about LB Jarvis Jones he said.
“Jarvis Jones is an ENORMOUS RISK in my opinion. He fit’s the (inaudible but probably said Steelers) scheme perfectly so I get that but he has spinal stenosis. He has spinal stenosis and you go back and study the history of it and at some point its highly-highly likely that it shortens his career.
Marcus McNeal is the most recent, he fell in the draft because of the spinal stenosis. it’s a narrowing of the spine it can lead to injuries and make you susceptible and ahh, Marcus McNeal was a Pro Bowler then he got a neck injury, it caught up to him and he had to retire a few years later in 2011.
Then you factor in Jarvis Jones, I see speed, the acceleration on tape. I don’t see great lateral agility and ability on tape to turn and run in coverage so that’s probably not going to fit in the Steelers scheme but then he ran a 4.92 in the forty and I’m… ahh gonna trust the tape over a forty every time but its another red flag there so (and then he addressed the specifics of the question pertaining to the scenario that the Browns faced where they had a deal in place with St. Louis where they could have moved down and picked up a second round selection and where they would have taken Jarvis Jones with their top pick he summed up his feelings by saying) I’d much rather get a Keke (Barkevious’ nickname) Mingo.
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Today an article about the Saints selecting Kenny Vaccaro when many were predicting LB Jarvis Jones.
This is what The Saints college scouting director, Rick Reiprish, said about Jarvis Jones. Not really a slam on Jones but more of a positive for Vaccaro.
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2013/05/anatomy_of_a_draft_pick_a_deta.html?utm_content=buffer5b37f&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer
… STACKING THE BOARD
Once all of the months of practices and all-star games and athletic drills and interviews and visits have ended, teams have about two weeks left to dissect all of their reports and opinions and stack their draft board accordingly.
They'll have daily meetings over that time, where they'll discuss the players -- and how they expect the rest of the draft to play out.
In the end, as Payton said on the night of the draft, the Saints wound up with a "cloud" of four players that they both liked and expected to possibly be available with their pick. Two of them were gone, and two of them remained when the Saints selected Vaccaro - though neither Payton, Reiprish nor Pace offered any specifics on how those players were graded or ranked.
One player who was not in that four-man cloud was Georgia linebacker Jarvis Jones, which seemed to disappoint a lot of Saints fans who coveted the college star when he was still available at No. 15.
Reiprish, however, insisted that the Saints did like Jones a lot - and that one of the hardest parts about the draft each year is that "you only get one choice."
What makes the Vaccaro-Jones debate so fascinating is the difference between their college statistics.
Jones led the country with 14½ sacks and seven forced fumbles last year. On the flip side, Vaccaro had just two interceptions last year and five for his career. Also, Georgia had one of the top defenses in the country, while Texas had one of the worst.
But Reiprish said you have to dig beyond the numbers to fairly evaluate a player.
"There's a lot of times Jarvis Jones was put in a position to make the play, whereas Vaccaro was put in a position that didn't necessarily allow him to make the play," Reiprish said.
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I also stumbled up this today from PFF.
This article gives an analytic statistical take on top drafted linebackers based on metrics of athleticism and draft ranking. Very interesting and in-depth but you can tell from the headline and description of the body of the text that they are also skeptical about Jarvis Jones.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/05/01/jarvis-jones-buyer-beware/
Jarvis Jones – Buyer Beware
Kevin Greenstein | 2013/05/01
This article was written in tandem with Ryan McGlothlin, who has spent the past two years developing a system for evaluating which NFL Draft Combine (and pro day) data most effectively predicts a player’s likelihood of NFL success.
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I was high on Jarvis Jones early on. I liked his tape better than anyone and I felt people were being overly cautious about him but now I not so sure about him.
What do others think about Jarvis Jones?
I heard a few things but brushed them off but it seems that maybe he did fall for a few reasons I wasn’t aware of.
A few weeks ago, right after the draft. ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay stopped by a local Cleveland radio affiliate of ESPN and gave his overview of the Browns draft and many in the Cleveland media grumbled about not making a trade-down with the Rams to pick up an extra second round pick instead of taking LB Barkevious Mingo with the first pick. The prevailing thought was to trade down and draft LB Jarvis Jones who was the top ranked player on fellow ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper’s big board early in the draft process.
McShay gave a cautionary take on Jarvis Jones.
Go to the 9:30 mark of this pod cast to hear McShay’s take on Jarvis Jones.
http://espncleveland.com/common/page.php?pt=podcenter&id=79
05/01/13 - Todd McShay
Added: 5/1/13
ESPN draft analyst, Todd McShay, joins the Really Big Show discussing the Browns draft, Barkevious Mingo, and Leon McFadden.
Todd McShay’s response when asked about LB Jarvis Jones he said.
“Jarvis Jones is an ENORMOUS RISK in my opinion. He fit’s the (inaudible but probably said Steelers) scheme perfectly so I get that but he has spinal stenosis. He has spinal stenosis and you go back and study the history of it and at some point its highly-highly likely that it shortens his career.
Marcus McNeal is the most recent, he fell in the draft because of the spinal stenosis. it’s a narrowing of the spine it can lead to injuries and make you susceptible and ahh, Marcus McNeal was a Pro Bowler then he got a neck injury, it caught up to him and he had to retire a few years later in 2011.
Then you factor in Jarvis Jones, I see speed, the acceleration on tape. I don’t see great lateral agility and ability on tape to turn and run in coverage so that’s probably not going to fit in the Steelers scheme but then he ran a 4.92 in the forty and I’m… ahh gonna trust the tape over a forty every time but its another red flag there so (and then he addressed the specifics of the question pertaining to the scenario that the Browns faced where they had a deal in place with St. Louis where they could have moved down and picked up a second round selection and where they would have taken Jarvis Jones with their top pick he summed up his feelings by saying) I’d much rather get a Keke (Barkevious’ nickname) Mingo.
==================================
Today an article about the Saints selecting Kenny Vaccaro when many were predicting LB Jarvis Jones.
This is what The Saints college scouting director, Rick Reiprish, said about Jarvis Jones. Not really a slam on Jones but more of a positive for Vaccaro.
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2013/05/anatomy_of_a_draft_pick_a_deta.html?utm_content=buffer5b37f&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer
… STACKING THE BOARD
Once all of the months of practices and all-star games and athletic drills and interviews and visits have ended, teams have about two weeks left to dissect all of their reports and opinions and stack their draft board accordingly.
They'll have daily meetings over that time, where they'll discuss the players -- and how they expect the rest of the draft to play out.
In the end, as Payton said on the night of the draft, the Saints wound up with a "cloud" of four players that they both liked and expected to possibly be available with their pick. Two of them were gone, and two of them remained when the Saints selected Vaccaro - though neither Payton, Reiprish nor Pace offered any specifics on how those players were graded or ranked.
One player who was not in that four-man cloud was Georgia linebacker Jarvis Jones, which seemed to disappoint a lot of Saints fans who coveted the college star when he was still available at No. 15.
Reiprish, however, insisted that the Saints did like Jones a lot - and that one of the hardest parts about the draft each year is that "you only get one choice."
What makes the Vaccaro-Jones debate so fascinating is the difference between their college statistics.
Jones led the country with 14½ sacks and seven forced fumbles last year. On the flip side, Vaccaro had just two interceptions last year and five for his career. Also, Georgia had one of the top defenses in the country, while Texas had one of the worst.
But Reiprish said you have to dig beyond the numbers to fairly evaluate a player.
"There's a lot of times Jarvis Jones was put in a position to make the play, whereas Vaccaro was put in a position that didn't necessarily allow him to make the play," Reiprish said.
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I also stumbled up this today from PFF.
This article gives an analytic statistical take on top drafted linebackers based on metrics of athleticism and draft ranking. Very interesting and in-depth but you can tell from the headline and description of the body of the text that they are also skeptical about Jarvis Jones.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/05/01/jarvis-jones-buyer-beware/
Jarvis Jones – Buyer Beware
Kevin Greenstein | 2013/05/01
This article was written in tandem with Ryan McGlothlin, who has spent the past two years developing a system for evaluating which NFL Draft Combine (and pro day) data most effectively predicts a player’s likelihood of NFL success.
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I was high on Jarvis Jones early on. I liked his tape better than anyone and I felt people were being overly cautious about him but now I not so sure about him.
What do others think about Jarvis Jones?