Jason Campbell - a QB1 now? (1 Viewer)

[Maroney=Sped]

I've got a dynasty squad with McNabb backed up by Kolb and Campbell. McNabb is my unquestioned starter, and frankly after seeing what he did in McNabb's place Kolb would start over Campbell if McNabb was injured.

I've been frustrated late in the year, however by the fact that Campbell has often outperformed McNabb. To be sure, a lot of that has to do with Donovan's mediocre play, but not including Donovan's injury/bye weeks (2-4) and Campbell's bye week (8), Campbell has outperformed McNabb in weeks 7, 9, 12, and 13. That's half the uninjured/non-bye weeks they've played, and you'll notice that they're all relatively recent games, including 4 of the last 6.

Since week 7, Campbell has ranked 12th in my league (which is 6/TD and 2 pt bonus/300 yards)

Since Week 9 Campbell has ranked 11th in my league.

Since Week 10 Campbell has ranked 8th in my league.

McNabb still ranks higher overall even through those recent weeks, however the trend for Campbell is unmistakeable. It also doesn't appear to be an illusion as the offensive line is actually playing pretty well for the first time all season, and the team is getting surprisingly and consistently solid production out of guys like Fred Davis, Devin Thomas and Rock Cartwright. The Redskins have played a lot more competitively during that time, including beating the Broncos and taking the Cowboys and the Saints down to the wire.

Campbell has matchups against the Raiders (below average - QB pts against), Giants (average), Cowboys (average) and Chargers (below average). He doesn't figure to be a stud, however if you've got injury problems then he looks like a guy who is on the rise fantasy wise and may be a good pickup if you can get him.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

The lack of a running game to lean on and developing chemistry with Davis and Thomas is big because it has made Campbell the center of the game plan. Campbell has also been very efficient in the red zone. Im most impressed by his calmness after the play breaks down, used to be he'd look a bit lost when the play didnt go as planned and either run, or just hesitate until he was sacked/threw the ball away.

With no CBA, he's an RFA, so the Redskins might get off the hook for not believing in him this year, but they might also have to sign him to a long term deal or franchise him to keep Campbell the way he has been playing lately - too many teams need a QB.

For fantasy I would still have trouble completely trusting him because you never know when the Redskins might revert to crappiness against NYG and DAL teams that are playing for a lot more than WAS is playing for. Campbell looked like he turned the corner early last year only to revert to bad habits as the season went on.

 

[Breesisdaman]

I would throw out the Saints game. Both starting corners were out and you had Mike Mckenzie and McCallister who were both unemployed two weeks ago trying to cover. I think that skews the numbers as does the absence of scott fujita in defending the screen pass. Just my 2cents.

 

[packersfan]

I would throw out the Saints game. Both starting corners were out and you had Mike Mckenzie and McCallister who were both unemployed two weeks ago trying to cover. I think that skews the numbers as does the absence of scott fujita in defending the screen pass. Just my 2cents.

That's the same defense that befuddled Brady the week before. Campbell tore them apart pretty good. I think what he did yesterday was very impressive. I don't like Campbell's schedule the rest of the way but there's no denying he's been getting it done from a fantasy perspective. I think he's a viable option right now. He's available in my league and I'm going to try and drop Cutler for him this week.

 

[Breesisdaman]

I would throw out the Saints game. Both starting corners were out and you had Mike Mckenzie and McCallister who were both unemployed two weeks ago trying to cover. I think that skews the numbers as does the absence of scott fujita in defending the screen pass. Just my 2cents.

That's the same defense that befuddled Brady the week before. Campbell tore them apart pretty good. I think what he did yesterday was very impressive. I don't like Campbell's schedule the rest of the way but there's no denying he's been getting it done from a fantasy perspective. I think he's a viable option right now. He's available in my league and I'm going to try and drop Cutler for him this week.

Fujita played against the Pats, also short week on the road after a huge Monday night game. I say throw out the Saints stats if you want to be realistic about him.

 

[packersfan]

I would throw out the Saints game. Both starting corners were out and you had Mike Mckenzie and McCallister who were both unemployed two weeks ago trying to cover. I think that skews the numbers as does the absence of scott fujita in defending the screen pass. Just my 2cents.

That's the same defense that befuddled Brady the week before. Campbell tore them apart pretty good. I think what he did yesterday was very impressive. I don't like Campbell's schedule the rest of the way but there's no denying he's been getting it done from a fantasy perspective. I think he's a viable option right now. He's available in my league and I'm going to try and drop Cutler for him this week.

Fujita played against the Pats, also short week on the road after a huge Monday night game. I say throw out the Saints stats if you want to be realistic about him.

We'll agree to disagree. Watching Campbell shred the same defense that rattled Brady was very impressive in my opinion. Again, I don't like Campbell's schedule the rest of the way but there's no denying his production right now. The problem with him has always been inconsistency. He's shown flashes like this before but he's never sustained anything. Not sure this time around will be any different but if you need some QB help I think he's worth a look.

 

[dgreen]

It also doesn't appear to be an illusion as the offensive line is actually playing pretty well for the first time all season...

Playcalling has been huge here, IMO. More quick passes and then adding in some misdirection and rollouts slows down pass rushes enabling the Redskins to have more straight dropback passes. In those situations, he's not getting great protection, but it's been good enough. And Campbell's been doing a better job in recent weeks keeping his eyes downfield and ignoring the rush.

 

[fatness]

I would throw out the Saints game. Both starting corners were out and you had Mike Mckenzie and McCallister who were both unemployed two weeks ago trying to cover. I think that skews the numbers as does the absence of scott fujita in defending the screen pass. Just my 2cents.

The loss of 2 corners meant Gregg Williams didn't have the Saints blitz much, which would have increase their pressure on Campbell. But it doesn't necessarily follow that he would have performed worse. Most playcalls were quick passes which would have been gotten away even under blitz pressure.

 

[Enforcer]

I hope Washington makes a mistake and lets Campbell leave. I wouldn't mind having him in Seattle. I would much rather have Campbell as opposed to spending a high draft pick on someone like Clausen, McCoy, or Locker. IMO Campbell is getting ready to enter his prime and we haven't seen the best that he has yet.

 

[Doug B]

I would throw out the Saints game. Both starting corners were out and you had Mike Mckenzie and McCallister who were both unemployed two weeks ago trying to cover. I think that skews the numbers as does the absence of scott fujita in defending the screen pass. Just my 2cents.

The loss of 2 corners meant Gregg Williams didn't have the Saints blitz much, which would have increase their pressure on Campbell. But it doesn't necessarily follow that he would have performed worse. Most playcalls were quick passes which would have been gotten away even under blitz pressure.

The Saints did blitz somewhat less than usual, but when they did, Campbell burned the Saints bad.Bushisdaman, nothin' but love, but I think you're selling Campbell extremely short. Campbell and the Skins overall have been playing effective football since Portis' injury. Sure, they've not strung together Ws, but they're playing like a low-end wild-card team right now. You will remember, also, Campbell bringing the Redskins from down 15 pts in 4th against the Saints last year. Campbell's been building up to becoming an effective NFL starter.

 

[senyera]

He is available in my league and is a decent option. If Campell continues this form I would consider playing him week 15 or 16.Right now I am going with a combo of Alex Smith and Vince Young based on matchups.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

It also doesn't appear to be an illusion as the offensive line is actually playing pretty well for the first time all season...

Playcalling has been huge here, IMO. More quick passes and then adding in some misdirection and rollouts slows down pass rushes enabling the Redskins to have more straight dropback passes. In those situations, he's not getting great protection, but it's been good enough. And Campbell's been doing a better job in recent weeks keeping his eyes downfield and ignoring the rush.

I know you 'Skins fans who know me think I'm a broken record, but the fact that it took three years before his second coaching staff finally figured out that Campbell operates very well with his feet moving, and especially rolling out to the right, has always frustrated me. They finally seem to get it.

I hope Washington makes a mistake and lets Campbell leave. I wouldn't mind having him in Seattle. I would much rather have Campbell as opposed to spending a high draft pick on someone like Clausen, McCoy, or Locker. IMO Campbell is getting ready to enter his prime and we haven't seen the best that he has yet.

I'm a Skins fan and have said this elsewhere, including by referencing Seattle as a potentially interested team. I agree. Campbell is never going to be "great", but I can see him being a good QB potentially even having a great season at some point.

 

[CaptainHook]

The redskins have legitimately outplayed what are possibly the best 3 teams in the NFC in the past 3 weeks. (cowboys, eagles, saints). They somehow lost them all...lmao...but campbell played very well in each game.

Campbell gets much less credit than he deserves.

 

[BigJim®]

I agree Campbell has looked pretty good... but in reality what are the chances the Redskins move forward with him after 2009? I've been under the assumption his job remains in a lot of joepardy.

 

[dgreen]

I agree Campbell has looked pretty good... but in reality what are the chances the Redskins move forward with him after 2009? I've been under the assumption his job remains in a lot of joepardy.

It's really hard to say not knowing who will making those decisions next year. But, I actually think there's a decent chance he returns. The fact is, there just aren't many options out there. They currently have the 5th pick, so QB's a possibility there. But, the FA market is going to be weak. Todd Collins obviously isn't even a decent option to bridge to a new, young QB. They still have Colt Brennan, but I don't know anyone who is saying he deserves a shot.I've said many times, as a Skins fan, I'd have no problems re-signing Campbell to an average starting QB contract for like 3 years. He may want more than that, but I think his agent would have to know he's not going to get much more. Of course, there's always the factor that Campbell probably just wants out of DC. It's been a disaster of an organization and they haven't exactly treated him like they want him. He may want to leave regardless of whether they offer him the money or not.

 

[Doug B]

Of course, there's always the factor that Campbell probably just wants out of DC. It's been a disaster of an organization and they haven't exactly treated him like they want him. He may want to leave regardless of whether they offer him the money or not.

You know ... it hadn't occured to me that Campbell could be "auditioning" for other NFL teams with his recent elevated play. Wonder where else he could land besides Seattle? Another good landing site for him could be Carolina ... with many other pieces in place, it's probably close to time for the Panthers to move beyond the Jake Delhomme era.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Of course, there's always the factor that Campbell probably just wants out of DC. It's been a disaster of an organization and they haven't exactly treated him like they want him. He may want to leave regardless of whether they offer him the money or not.

You know ... it hadn't occured to me that Campbell could be "auditioning" for other NFL teams with his recent elevated play. Wonder where else he could land besides Seattle? Another good landing site for him could be Carolina ... with many other pieces in place, it's probably close to time for the Panthers to move beyond the Jake Delhomme era.

Buffalo and Oakland come to mind too, though if Campbell hates Snyder I don't know why he'd sign with Al Davis's merry-go-round.

 

[Billy Costigan Jr]

I have Schaub and Cassel, and the two playoff bound teams ahead of me on the waiver wire priority have Peyton and Romo. Depending on tonight's results, both could potentially face me next week.

I'm going to add Campbell to my other 2 QBs and make my decision on a starter when I hear enough about Schaub, but I just hope I don't get C-blocked.

JC's PPG Ranking Since Week #...

13 ... 3

12 ... 4

11 ... 9

10 ... 9

9 ... 11

8 ... 10

7 ... 11

6 ... 15

5 ... 17

4 ... 18

3 ... 15

2 ... 18

1 ... 18

He's been a Top 11 QB for the last 7 Weeks, and nobody is talking about him.

Week #14 at Raiders

Week #15 vs Giants

Week #16 vs Cowboys

Week #17 at Chargers

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Not sure why this topic didn't get more attention, but check out Campbell's progression this year and consider... it's effectively his 3rd season as a starter (only 36 career starts prior to 2009), it's the first time he's had consecutive seasons in the same offensive system since H.S. (IIRC), he's only 27 years old and his receiving corps is average to poor at best (especially without Cooley):

2006-07 Washington 7 76.5 110 207 53.1 1297 6.27 10 6

2007-08 Washington 13 77.6 250 417 60 2700 6.47 12 11

2008-09 Washington 16 84.3 315 506 62.3 3245 6.41 13 6

2009-10 Washington 12 87.7 244 370 65.9 2724 7.36 15 12

That's four straight years where his QB rating and completion percentage have increased, and both his Yards/Attempt and his TD % are up dramatically this season as well.

I think he's got the makings of a good NFL QB.

 

[T Bell]

Not sure why this topic didn't get more attention, but check out Campbell's progression this year and consider... it's effectively his 3rd season as a starter (only 36 career starts prior to 2009), it's the first time he's had consecutive seasons in the same offensive system since H.S. (IIRC), he's only 27 years old and his receiving corps is average to poor at best (especially without Cooley):2006-07 Washington 7 76.5 110 207 53.1 1297 6.27 10 62007-08 Washington 13 77.6 250 417 60 2700 6.47 12 112008-09 Washington 16 84.3 315 506 62.3 3245 6.41 13 62009-10 Washington 12 87.7 244 370 65.9 2724 7.36 15 12That's four straight years where his QB rating and completion percentage have increased, and both his Yards/Attempt and his TD % are up dramatically this season as well. I think he's got the makings of a good NFL QB.

16/28/222 2/0 yesterday against a good Raiders defense. I think he can be the caliber quarterback of Matt Hasselbeck or even Carson Palmer with the right offensive pieces around him. He's a good guy to have for your fantasy playoff run, especially if you're suffering through problems with Roethlisberger or Brady.

 

[MCguidance]

Really thinking of throwing him in there next week over Palmer.

 

[dgreen]

Not sure why this topic didn't get more attention, but check out Campbell's progression this year and consider... it's effectively his 3rd season as a starter (only 36 career starts prior to 2009), it's the first time he's had consecutive seasons in the same offensive system since H.S. (IIRC), he's only 27 years old and his receiving corps is average to poor at best (especially without Cooley):2006-07 Washington 7 76.5 110 207 53.1 1297 6.27 10 62007-08 Washington 13 77.6 250 417 60 2700 6.47 12 112008-09 Washington 16 84.3 315 506 62.3 3245 6.41 13 62009-10 Washington 12 87.7 244 370 65.9 2724 7.36 15 12That's four straight years where his QB rating and completion percentage have increased, and both his Yards/Attempt and his TD % are up dramatically this season as well. I think he's got the makings of a good NFL QB.

What he's done this year is raise himself statistically from below average to average. This is a crazy year for QBs, so Campbell's numbers are in the middle of the pack. He's 8th in completion %, 16th in TD%, 23rd in INT%, 13th in YPA, 16th in AYPA, and 14th in QB rating. But, consider that he's done this with probably more turmoil than any other QB. His team tried to replace him twice (Cutler and Sanchez) in the offseason. Early injuries to Randy Thomas and Chris Samuels have created an OL full of backups and guys picked up off the street. In week 2, the offense was booed after a win. After a week 3 loss to Detroit, fan outraged started to peak and Zorn was permanently mounted on the hot seat. His HC was publicly stripped of his playcalling duties and they were given to a consultant who had been in town for 2 weeks. And, this new playcaller never talks to Campbell during the week. The offense then proceeded to lose Portis and Cooley for the year.I know, every team has their problems. Every team has their injuries. But, Campbell is putting up average QB numbers while guiding what is clearly one of the worst offenses in the league. It's been poorly coached and stocked with many bad players.I agree with the Hasselbeck comparisons. Campbell's never going to reach Hasselbeck's peak of being a top 5 fantasy QB, but I think he can become a low-end QB1 the next couple years. Part of that is always determined by injury and he's shown the toughness needed to withstand a barrage of hits and play a 16-game season. Give him an average OL and I think he can get to 3800-24-14 with another 200-2 rushing.The one thing I'll disagree with is all the different offenses he's had to adjust to. IMO, throw out college. That's totally irrelevant now. In the NFL, he came in under Gibbs. And I think the addition of Saunders was a lot to do about nothing in regards to "learning a new offense." It wasn't that much different. The thing about the Coryell offense is how they simplify things by using the number tree for routes. Now, he did make a big transition to Zorn's WCO passing game, but that's really the only NFL change I'd consider a big deal. And, lots of QBs have to deal with system changes in their career.

 

[mistersmith]

Really thinking of throwing him in there next week over Palmer.

I dropped Palmer...had enough of him. He barely scored anything against the Lions. (then again, I play in a redraft league with 2 weeks left in the season.)In my mind, Campbell's an easy start over Palmer.

 

[jbz]

Good thing there's no fantasy points for being "clutch" because Campbell fails hard in that area. He's a decent fantasy QB now because the Skins don't run the ball as much and they are usually losing. Trying being a Redskins fan and ask yourself if Campbell a QB1 now. It's hard to admit.

 

[lyon812]

Of course, there's always the factor that Campbell probably just wants out of DC. It's been a disaster of an organization and they haven't exactly treated him like they want him. He may want to leave regardless of whether they offer him the money or not.

You know ... it hadn't occured to me that Campbell could be "auditioning" for other NFL teams with his recent elevated play. Wonder where else he could land besides Seattle? Another good landing site for him could be Carolina ... with many other pieces in place, it's probably close to time for the Panthers to move beyond the Jake Delhomme era.

Buffalo and Oakland come to mind too, though if Campbell hates Snyder I don't know why he'd sign with Al Davis's merry-go-round.

St. Louis is also an option.

 

[Mofongo]

Really thinking of throwing him in there next week over Palmer.

As a Palmer/Garrard owner, I am seriously considering starting Campbell over those two as well.He's produced three straight weeks of 18-20ppg in my league and the NYG secondary can be worked on.

 

[Homer]

The lack of a running game to lean on and developing chemistry with Davis and Thomas is big because it has made Campbell the center of the game plan. Campbell has also been very efficient in the red zone. Im most impressed by his calmness after the play breaks down, used to be he'd look a bit lost when the play didnt go as planned and either run, or just hesitate until he was sacked/threw the ball away.With no CBA, he's an RFA, so the Redskins might get off the hook for not believing in him this year, but they might also have to sign him to a long term deal or franchise him to keep Campbell the way he has been playing lately - too many teams need a QB.For fantasy I would still have trouble completely trusting him because you never know when the Redskins might revert to crappiness against NYG and DAL teams that are playing for a lot more than WAS is playing for. Campbell looked like he turned the corner early last year only to revert to bad habits as the season went on.

I'm particularly sensitive to such discussions this year, as I have ridden Manning to a #1 seed, and facing an abyss come playoff time at my most reliable position.I have had Campbell as a bye week guy before and usually ended up hating his guts.He's a free agent wire guy as I speak... So's Painter?

 

[bcat01]

Really thinking of throwing him in there next week over Palmer.

As a Palmer/Garrard owner, I am seriously considering starting Campbell over those two as well.He's produced three straight weeks of 18-20ppg in my league and the NYG secondary can be worked on.

Anyone else starting him this week? I'm in the same situation with Palmer.

 

[pmark]

I'm thinking about it since Brady is @BUF, but I think I'll come to my senses and stick with Brady instead of Campbell. If I didn't have a top 5 QB then I would be starting Campbell, definitely over someone like Palmer.

 

[Avery]

Really thinking of throwing him in there next week over Palmer.

As a Palmer/Garrard owner, I am seriously considering starting Campbell over those two as well.He's produced three straight weeks of 18-20ppg in my league and the NYG secondary can be worked on.

Anyone else starting him this week? I'm in the same situation with Palmer.

Add to that, that the Giants passing game is working well, and this could be the second straight week of a NFC east shootout. Edit to add: Look for a 6-3 final now that I said that. :wall;