Jason Cole on Reggie Bush and the Texans (1 Viewer)

[Gatorman]

Said one of the other reasons that Houston passed on Bush is his handling of the entire House for his parents mess.

When the story broke, Houston called Bush to get an explanation and got his voice mail (sunday). He called back Monday as he was getting on the plane for New York and said, "everything will be taken care of, I am getting on the plane, I'll call you back later"

He called back Wednesday (2 days later) and said, There is nothing to this, It is all BS.

Then the rest of the stuff broke.

Rather than being a man and telling the texans everything (especially since it didn't matter to the texans at the time) Bush started lying to his future employer and blew them off. That is when the higher ups really changed their mind about Bush.

Reported on the Joe Rose show locally yesterday.

 

[Traders2001]

The guy is a moron and will be known as one of the biggest ( if not the biggest ) bust in NFL history.

The Texans did the right thing by not taking him , and the Saints will live to regret it.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Said one of the other reasons that Houston passed on Bush is his handling of the entire House for his parents mess.

When the story broke, Houston called Bush to get an explanation and got his voice mail (sunday).  He called back Monday as he was getting on the plane for New York and said, "everything will be taken care of, I am getting on the plane, I'll call you back later"

He called back Wednesday (2 days later) and said, There is nothing to this, It is all BS.

Then the rest of the stuff broke.

Rather than being a man and telling the texans everything (especially since it didn't matter to the texans at the time) Bush started lying to his future employer and blew them off.  That is when the higher ups really changed their mind about Bush.

Reported on the Joe Rose show locally yesterday.

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Thanks gatorman,Interesting stuff. I still have a hard time thinking there wasn't more to the story that would cause Houston to pass on him. I like Williams fine but feel Houston made a big mistake passing on Bush.

The funny things were every reporter asking Casserly if the house had an impact. Of course Casserly isn't going to say it had an impact. He'd be stupid to say anything other than the stock, "this was a football decision only".

J

 

[Gargoylez]

I doubt a player of his caliber will be a bust... unless injury pokes its ugly head up.

But I just se a bit too much in just one area for the saints. Only so many people can carry the rock in New orleans, and its all well and good trading the Duece next year but the hit will be pretty bad on the salary cap, plus Bush is most likely not a workhorse of a back, so you have to keep yet another good-better back to carry the other times.

In terms of NEED, the Texans were dead on. In terms of talent they blundered a bit... so depending on how you look at it, its a blunder move and a good move.

I personally say, GOOD MOVE with Kubiak in town... but thats just my opinion.

You want to talk about bust?

I have Vince Young Labeled with that. But again, just my personal take...

 

[Traders2001]

I doubt a player of his caliber will be a bust... unless injury pokes its ugly head up.

But I just se a bit too much in just one area for the saints.  Only so many people can carry the rock in New orleans, and its all well and good trading the Duece next year but the hit will be pretty bad on the salary cap, plus Bush is most likely not a workhorse of a back, so you have to keep yet another good-better back to carry the other times.

In terms of NEED, the Texans were dead on. In terms of talent they blundered a bit... so depending on how you look at it, its a blunder move and a good move.

I personally say, GOOD MOVE with Kubiak in town... but thats just my opinion.

You want to talk about bust?

I have Vince Young Labeled with that. But again, just my personal take...

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Agree with you about Vince Young also .

 

[Dolfan]

I thought the whole reason was contract

Someone said on some radio show yesterday (my memory is :X ) that the Texans offered him a 20 million dollar contract and his agent turned it down, thinking the Texans would either offer more, or draft him anyway and attempt to work out a deal down the road... The Texans decided to pass..

Doesn't make sense to me to offer someone 20 million dollars if you have questions about their character (the house deal). I would think if that was the problem, they wouldn't have offered him a contract to begin with..

I think this was all about

 

[Doug B]

Only so many people can carry the rock in New orleans, and its all well and good trading the Duece next year but the hit will be pretty bad on the salary cap ...

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People keep bringing this up ... and it's not accurate.Deuce's bonus money was not paid up all at once -- it was spread over three seasons. Come next off-season ... if Bush is a freak, and Deuce is still having health issues ... Deuce can be cut easily without killing the cap.

 

[Football Menace]

Only so many people can carry the rock in New orleans, and its all well and good trading the Duece next year but the hit will be pretty bad on the salary cap ...

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People keep bringing this up ... and it's not accurate.Deuce's bonus money was not paid up all at once -- it was spread over three seasons. Come next off-season ... if Bush is a freak, and Deuce is still having health issues ... Deuce can be cut easily without killing the cap.

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I was about to post the same thing.

I'm starting to think that these guys are just mad because their team didn't get Bush. This will be a situation exactly like the Ricky/Duece deal, execpt Bush will split at least 50/50 this year. Next year or the year after, Duece will be traded for at least a 1st round pick, and all will be well in Saintsland.

Edited to add - Hopefully, they won't blunder the pick.

 

[P Boy]

Hellllllooooooooo!

CHARACTER!

This is all about character. Bush is showing his. Hence the drop & the safer Williams pick by HOU.

This has to do with playing hurt, taking one for the team, negotiating in good faith, staying out of significant trouble while under contract, honoring contracts, etc.

Bush has a reasonably questionable character by all the evidence revealed so far. How much is/isn't true remains to be seen & will have to be sorted out by the lawyers, but quite frankly I think NFL teams are making character much more of a deciding factor than it used to be in evaluating players - and rightfully so, the players, especially high drafts picks, are gigantic investments not only in the person of that player, but in the impact on the other players, the franchise's future, and its public image.

Hence the drops by guys like Winston Justice & LenDale White, as well as Bush being the 2nd selection.

This draft more than others I remember sends a direct message to all current & future college players - you want serious jack to play pro football, you had better get your life in order and stay close to (not a perfect angel, mind you) the straight & narrow.

I for one find it refreshing, especially in comparison to a couple of other high profile professional sports leagues.

 

[Sidewinder]

Said one of the other reasons that Houston passed on Bush is his handling of the entire House for his parents mess.

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Hellllllooooooooo!

CHARACTER!

This is all about character.  Bush is showing his.  Hence the drop & the safer Williams pick by HOU. 

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I'm not convinced. Here is an interesting article by TSN's Paul Attner on the decision process. It's fairly long, here are some of the more pertinent quotes from the article:

...Since March, the Sporting News has been given inside access to the decision-making process that led to the Texans' selection of Williams. This is the story of how they arrived at what will be remembered as one of the most controversial choices in NFL draft history...

...A number of factors ultimately drive the Texans' choice of Williams. They are infatuated with the depth and array of his skills; a huge man who covers 40 yards in 4.66 seconds, he can change a game's tempo. And he can play the pass as effectively as the run. They believe his tools on defense equal or exceed those of Bush's on offense and that Williams has a bigger upside...

...The Sunday before the draft, it's reported that Bush's parents have rented a house from a guy who wants to be their son's marketing rep. The Texans launch their own investigation. Bush assures them he has done nothing wrong. They decide his problems won't affect their thinking...

...On Wednesday, the Bush camp embraces a six-year, $54 million contract but wants $28 million guaranteed; the Texans offer $26 million. Dogra also wants $28 million guaranteed. On the same day, Kubiak and Casserly decide on Williams. Both agree their defense has greater need. McNair is flying to New York; they will seek his OK in the morning.

When McNair approves, Casserly calls Dogra. "We aren't changing our minds," he says to the agent...

 

[helix]

Only so many people can carry the rock in New orleans, and its all well and good trading the Duece next year but the hit will be pretty bad on the salary cap ...

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People keep bringing this up ... and it's not accurate.Deuce's bonus money was not paid up all at once -- it was spread over three seasons. Come next off-season ... if Bush is a freak, and Deuce is still having health issues ... Deuce can be cut easily without killing the cap.

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I was about to post the same thing.

I'm starting to think that these guys are just mad because their team didn't get Bush. This will be a situation exactly like the Ricky/Duece deal, execpt Bush will split at least 50/50 this year. Next year or the year after, Duece will be traded for at least a 1st round pick, and all will be well in Saintsland.

Edited to add - Hopefully, they won't blunder the pick.

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A year from now Deuce will be 28. Highly unlikely that the Aints will get a #1 for a guy that is close to 30 and coming off an ACL. If SA and Edge could not be moved for a 2nd, then... They will be lucky to get a 3rd at that point.

 

[diesel7982]

Only so many people can carry the rock in New orleans, and its all well and good trading the Duece next year but the hit will be pretty bad on the salary cap ...

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People keep bringing this up ... and it's not accurate.Deuce's bonus money was not paid up all at once -- it was spread over three seasons. Come next off-season ... if Bush is a freak, and Deuce is still having health issues ... Deuce can be cut easily without killing the cap.

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I was about to post the same thing.

I'm starting to think that these guys are just mad because their team didn't get Bush. This will be a situation exactly like the Ricky/Duece deal, execpt Bush will split at least 50/50 this year. Next year or the year after, Duece will be traded for at least a 1st round pick, and all will be well in Saintsland.

Edited to add - Hopefully, they won't blunder the pick.

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A year from now Deuce will be 28. Highly unlikely that the Aints will get a #1 for a guy that is close to 30 and coming off an ACL. If SA and Edge could not be moved for a 2nd, then... They will be lucky to get a 3rd at that point.
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Was going to say the same thing. Duece for a 1st is a pipe dream.

 

[Gargoylez]

Only so many people can carry the rock in New orleans, and its all well and good trading the Duece next year but the hit will be pretty bad on the salary cap ...

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People keep bringing this up ... and it's not accurate.Deuce's bonus money was not paid up all at once -- it was spread over three seasons. Come next off-season ... if Bush is a freak, and Deuce is still having health issues ... Deuce can be cut easily without killing the cap.

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I was about to post the same thing.

I'm starting to think that these guys are just mad because their team didn't get Bush. This will be a situation exactly like the Ricky/Duece deal, execpt Bush will split at least 50/50 this year. Next year or the year after, Duece will be traded for at least a 1st round pick, and all will be well in Saintsland.

Edited to add - Hopefully, they won't blunder the pick.

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If my Team didn't have a good RB... YES. I would be very jealous, but I can't see sacrificing a top prospect in an area that I don't need over getting a top prospect in the area I need...But if Tampa got Bush at #1 instead of getting the top defense talent where they actually NEED it... I would be VERY pi**ed off. But the bucs biggest weakness was the offensive line... without a doubt... with one they beat the redskins in the playoffs. Whether or not they picked the right people I am just going to shrug my shoulders... But my point is, and I will repeat it, this is just my take... you draft for need first. If your weak in one area and grat in another and you draft in the great area... how is that truly improving your team???

Just my view on things. I feel bad for duece. Hope he gets to a team that knows how to draft and make a run for the playoffs... cuz the saints are a good 2-3 years out in this division.

 

[Barefoot]

Reggie Bush = Ryan Leaf........... a big friggin "BUST"

You can all look back to this post in afew yrs and say YA

"Chicago Bears Rule"

 

[Sidewinder]

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But the bucs biggest weakness was the offensive line... without a doubt... with one they beat the redskins in the playoffs. ...

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Could have sworn Washington won the playoff game at TB.

... But my point is, and I will repeat it, this is just my take... you draft for need first. If your weak in one area and grat in another and you draft in the great area... how is that truly improving your team???

Just my view on things. I feel bad for duece. Hope he gets to a team that knows how to draft and make a run for the playoffs... cuz the saints are a good 2-3 years out in this division.

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Point is, Deuce has been far from grat (as you put it) for several years now, not to mention coming off an ACL. Fairly easy to argue this was a need pick as much as it was BPA. Truth is, especially early in the draft, all teams draft the BPA who can make an impact on the team.

Hope Deuce gets to a team that knows how to draft ? Just wondering how many NFL teams consulted your for draft advice ?

 

[Sidewinder]

Reggie Bush = Ryan Leaf........... a big friggin "BUST"

You can all look back to this post in afew yrs and say YA

"Chicago Bears Rule"

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Different post

 

[Liquid Tension]

Said one of the other reasons that Houston passed on Bush is his handling of the entire House for his parents mess.

When the story broke, Houston called Bush to get an explanation and got his voice mail (sunday).  He called back Monday as he was getting on the plane for New York and said, "everything will be taken care of, I am getting on the plane, I'll call you back later"

He called back Wednesday (2 days later) and said, There is nothing to this, It is all BS.

Then the rest of the stuff broke.

Rather than being a man and telling the texans everything (especially since it didn't matter to the texans at the time) Bush started lying to his future employer and blew them off.  That is when the higher ups really changed their mind about Bush.

Reported on the Joe Rose show locally yesterday.

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I email with Jason Cole frequently and he is a really good guy. He is pretty diligent about his homework and will ask him for more informationI think Houston should have traded down

 

[Gargoylez]

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But the bucs biggest weakness was the offensive line... without a doubt... with one they beat the redskins in the playoffs. ...

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Could have sworn Washington won the playoff game at TB.

... But my point is, and I will repeat it, this is just my take... you draft for need first. If your weak in one area and grat in another and you draft in the great area... how is that truly improving your team???

Just my view on things. I feel bad for duece. Hope he gets to a team that knows how to draft and make a run for the playoffs... cuz the saints are a good 2-3 years out in this division.

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Point is, Deuce has been far from grat (as you put it) for several years now, not to mention coming off an ACL. Fairly easy to argue this was a need pick as much as it was BPA. Truth is, especially early in the draft, all teams draft the BPA who can make an impact on the team.Hope Deuce gets to a team that knows how to draft ? Just wondering how many NFL teams consulted your for draft advice ?

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Sorry for not being an anal freak like yourself. Deuce has carried this sorry offensive team for three years. If you don;t see that I suggest GOLF as a sport to watch, you might be able to follow that. Unfortunate side effects of carrying the team is getting beat down. Brooks has been a mail it in QB for two years and the offensive coordinator two years ago didn't even use a fullback.

Sorry I have a different opinion and sorry the truth hurts. 4th place in the south again... probably the next 2 years minimally... Carolina, Tampa and Atlanta will spank them with ease.

 

[coachjim]

Only so many people can carry the rock in New orleans, and its all well and good trading the Duece next year but the hit will be pretty bad on the salary cap ...

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People keep bringing this up ... and it's not accurate.Deuce's bonus money was not paid up all at once -- it was spread over three seasons. Come next off-season ... if Bush is a freak, and Deuce is still having health issues ... Deuce can be cut easily without killing the cap.

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I was about to post the same thing.

I'm starting to think that these guys are just mad because their team didn't get Bush. This will be a situation exactly like the Ricky/Duece deal, execpt Bush will split at least 50/50 this year. Next year or the year after, Duece will be traded for at least a 1st round pick, and all will be well in Saintsland.

Edited to add - Hopefully, they won't blunder the pick.

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A year from now Deuce will be 28. Highly unlikely that the Aints will get a #1 for a guy that is close to 30 and coming off an ACL. If SA and Edge could not be moved for a 2nd, then... They will be lucky to get a 3rd at that point.
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My feelings exactly. Great post.

 

[Sidewinder]

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But the bucs biggest weakness was the offensive line... without a doubt... with one they beat the redskins in the playoffs. ...

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Could have sworn Washington won the playoff game at TB.

... But my point is, and I will repeat it, this is just my take... you draft for need first. If your weak in one area and grat in another and you draft in the great area... how is that truly improving your team???

Just my view on things. I feel bad for duece. Hope he gets to a team that knows how to draft and make a run for the playoffs... cuz the saints are a good 2-3 years out in this division.

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Point is, Deuce has been far from grat (as you put it) for several years now, not to mention coming off an ACL. Fairly easy to argue this was a need pick as much as it was BPA. Truth is, especially early in the draft, all teams draft the BPA who can make an impact on the team.Hope Deuce gets to a team that knows how to draft ? Just wondering how many NFL teams consulted your for draft advice ?

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Sorry for not being an anal freak like yourself. Deuce has carried this sorry offensive team for three years. If you don;t see that I suggest GOLF as a sport to watch, you might be able to follow that. Unfortunate side effects of carrying the team is getting beat down. Brooks has been a mail it in QB for two years and the offensive coordinator two years ago didn't even use a fullback.

Sorry I have a different opinion and sorry the truth hurts. 4th place in the south again... probably the next 2 years minimally... Carolina, Tampa and Atlanta will spank them with ease.

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Ahh, but you disagree with my post and out come the insults. Classy.I don't have time for people like you. The IGNORE function works quite well. Have a good day.