Javon Walker Wanted No Part Of The Pats (1 Viewer)

[packersfan]

From this week's Sporting News:

The Broncos, Eagles and Patriots were interested (in trading for Walker) and walker was scheduled to visit all three teams. But he didnt' want to play for the Patriots, so he "missed" four flights to New England, including two he had checked in for.

 

[BlueOnion]

From this week's Sporting News:

The Broncos, Eagles and Patriots were interested (in trading for Walker) and walker was scheduled to visit all three teams. But he didnt' want to play for the Patriots, so he "missed" four flights to New England, including two he had checked in for.

Did these words leave his mouth or did they leave the pen of the writer?

 

[Red Apples]

From this week's Sporting News:

The Broncos, Eagles and Patriots were interested (in trading for Walker) and walker was scheduled to visit all three teams. But he didnt' want to play for the Patriots, so he "missed" four flights to New England, including two he had checked in for.

Did these words leave his mouth or did they leave the pen of the writer?

you know how hard it is to miss four flights? it almost as hard as failing four drug tests.

 

[Ozymandias]

It's better than missing most of the season.

Oh, wait...

 

[Sabertooth]

That's pretty bush league. He's a million dollar talent with a ten cent head.

 

[BlueOnion]

From this week's Sporting News:

The Broncos, Eagles and Patriots were interested (in trading for Walker) and walker was scheduled to visit all three teams. But he didnt' want to play for the Patriots, so he "missed" four flights to New England, including two he had checked in for.

I guess this speaks volumes of Walker's character because despite Walker blowing off the Patriots three times, they were still so enamoured with the guy they booked a 4th meeting.

 

[Garrett]

Javon Walker is the most over-hyped WR in recent years.

The guy catches 157 passes in 4 years and everyone acts like he is the next elite WR. His one year wonder hype has just snowballed while he sat out a year.

In three years Denver will be trading him away just to get rid of him, ala Keyshawn Johnson in Tampa Bay.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Yeah I'd hate to play for Tom Brady and on a team that is a SB contender.

I can understand why. It's not like New England exactly pays WRs. He probably figured they wouldn't give him fair market value.

 

[Bizkiteer]

It just might have to do that PATS don't spend too much on their guys and they spread the ball (to various WR's and TE's) much more than normal. Might just be...

I'd also take it w/ a pinch of salt...I find it funny that they have details to the point where he checked in, but didn't board. Hye Javon, wanna have some fun today? Okay, let's go to the airport check in like we are going to NE, but not board the plane. Cool? Okay, let's do two times on two different days...

Yeah, right. Get real.

 

[joffer]

Javon Walker is the most over-hyped WR in recent years.

The guy catches 157 passes in 4 years and everyone acts like he is the next elite WR.

agreed, i was very disappointed he didn't catch more passes while on crutches.

 

[Tommy Collins]

It just might have to do that PATS don't spend too much on their guys and they spread the ball (to various WR's and TE's) much more than normal. Might just be...

Well put. He wanted a big payday and obviously to be a huge part of the team. With the Pats spreading the ball around so much and budgeting their money the way they do, New England wouldn't have been one of his top destinations. On the other hand, I wouldn't take this rumor as a fact either.

 

[Englishteacher]

It just might have to do that PATS don't spend too much on their guys and they spread the ball (to various WR's and TE's) much more than normal.  Might just be...

Well put. He wanted a big payday and obviously to be a huge part of the team. With the Pats spreading the ball around so much and budgeting their money the way they do, New England wouldn't have been one of his top destinations. On the other hand, I wouldn't take this rumor as a fact either.

You know Denver has to have more money to spend on him since they have just about nothing on the offensive ball worth holding onto. Cutler's pretty much it as far as I'm concerned. NE may have wanted to sign him to a shorter deal that would correlate with their "window of opportunity" while not selling the farm long term. If Javon had gone to NE and been underutilized in a shorter term deal it'd have risked his chances at a "second" contract that Denver more than likely is going to guarantee.BTW, WTF ever happened to Darius Watts? He was the money sleeper WR a couple of years ago in training camp and then POOF, he disappeared. I know once the season started getting closer he began dropping balls left and right but the guy seemed to get great separation. You woulda thunk he could've put Part Two of the equation together by now. Or at least have pushed Lelie some last year. Talk about flash in the pan.

 

[Despyzer]

He probably figured they wouldn't give him fair market value.

Worse... they probably would have wanted to pay him what he was worth.

 

[Serenity Now]

Well, they've committed to Branch to make him their #1 and are in the midst (supposedly) of working on a new contract for him. They could hardly bring in a guy like Walker for that kind of $$ without damaging the Branch situation. AND, we have yet to see how he's going to perform post ACL. I doubt the Pats would cough up that kind of cash for a hurt guy unless they were pretty sure he was good to go. They'd have made the contract heavily incentive laden, and so forth.

This is all disappointing to me, since I've had Walker on my dynasty for a few years and generally I've really liked him.

 

[-OZ-]

it's the typical choice, do you want to win, or get paid and be the star?

He might still win in Denver, but this appears to be secondary to him.

ETA - although if those were the only possible trade partners, they all are in position to win and are good franchises, so while I wouldn't miss flights, I can understand his logic.

 

[sho nuff]

Javon Walker is the most over-hyped WR in recent years.

The guy catches 157 passes in 4 years and everyone acts like he is the next elite WR. His one year wonder hype has just snowballed while he sat out a year.

In three years Denver will be trading him away just to get rid of him, ala Keyshawn Johnson in Tampa Bay.

Look...this nonsense that he had only 1 good year is beyond ignorant.His 2nd season he scored 9 TDs to go along with close to 50 receptions. This in a year where Favre was dinged up and Ahman was carrying the load as they were a run first team.

He showed the natural progressiong of a WR in this game who breakout in their 3rd year. And to count the 4th season after he played a little bit of one game is ridiculous.

 

[Sabertooth]

Javon Walker is the most over-hyped WR in recent years.

The guy catches 157 passes in 4 years and everyone acts like he is the next elite WR.  His one year wonder hype has just snowballed while he sat out a year.

In three years Denver will be trading him away just to get rid of him, ala Keyshawn Johnson in Tampa Bay.

Look...this nonsense that he had only 1 good year is beyond ignorant.His 2nd season he scored 9 TDs to go along with close to 50 receptions. This in a year where Favre was dinged up and Ahman was carrying the load as they were a run first team.

He showed the natural progressiong of a WR in this game who breakout in their 3rd year. And to count the 4th season after he played a little bit of one game is ridiculous.

#         G  GS No Yards  Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ FD 1) TOTAL  56 33 195 2791 14.3 76 23 46   7 130 2) TOTAL  77 62 240 3148 13.1 85 23 37  10 1473) TOTAL  64 40 168 3007 17.9 60 12 53  18 119 4) TOTAL  48 18 157 2444 15.6 79 22 37  11 106A) Rod GardnerB) Donte StallworthC) Javon WalkerD) Ashley Lelie

Without looking it up, match up the letter to the number on here.

 

[MrPack]

It's becoming pretty clear that Walker is no team player.

me me me.....Gentlemen meet the new Leon

 

[sho nuff]

Javon Walker is the most over-hyped WR in recent years.

The guy catches 157 passes in 4 years and everyone acts like he is the next elite WR.  His one year wonder hype has just snowballed while he sat out a year.

In three years Denver will be trading him away just to get rid of him, ala Keyshawn Johnson in Tampa Bay.

Look...this nonsense that he had only 1 good year is beyond ignorant.His 2nd season he scored 9 TDs to go along with close to 50 receptions. This in a year where Favre was dinged up and Ahman was carrying the load as they were a run first team.

He showed the natural progressiong of a WR in this game who breakout in their 3rd year. And to count the 4th season after he played a little bit of one game is ridiculous.

#         G  GS No Yards  Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ FD 1) TOTAL  56 33 195 2791 14.3 76 23 46   7 130 2) TOTAL  77 62 240 3148 13.1 85 23 37  10 1473) TOTAL  64 40 168 3007 17.9 60 12 53  18 119 4) TOTAL  48 18 157 2444 15.6 79 22 37  11 106A) Rod GardnerB) Donte StallworthC) Javon WalkerD) Ashley LelieWithout looking it up, match up the letter to the number on here.

1 B2 A

3 D

4 C

Still does not change the fact of what I just wrote.

 

[Boston]

Gotta believe Walker felt the Pats weren't going to give him what's most important to him...a big contract. With Branch probably getting extended relatively soon it would be a very unPatriot move to commit big money to two WRs. Therefore Walker probably saw Denver as his best bet to get the money he desired and used another AFC contender as leverage. This really isn't a big story and is just part of the negotiating tactics that takes place in the NFL.

 

[Sabertooth]

Javon Walker is the most over-hyped WR in recent years.

The guy catches 157 passes in 4 years and everyone acts like he is the next elite WR.  His one year wonder hype has just snowballed while he sat out a year.

In three years Denver will be trading him away just to get rid of him, ala Keyshawn Johnson in Tampa Bay.

Look...this nonsense that he had only 1 good year is beyond ignorant.His 2nd season he scored 9 TDs to go along with close to 50 receptions. This in a year where Favre was dinged up and Ahman was carrying the load as they were a run first team.

He showed the natural progressiong of a WR in this game who breakout in their 3rd year. And to count the 4th season after he played a little bit of one game is ridiculous.

#         G  GS No Yards  Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ FD 1) TOTAL  56 33 195 2791 14.3 76 23 46   7 130 2) TOTAL  77 62 240 3148 13.1 85 23 37  10 1473) TOTAL  64 40 168 3007 17.9 60 12 53  18 119 4) TOTAL  48 18 157 2444 15.6 79 22 37  11 106A) Rod GardnerB) Donte StallworthC) Javon WalkerD) Ashley LelieWithout looking it up, match up the letter to the number on here.

1 B2 A

3 D

4 C

Still does not change the fact of what I just wrote.

What fact did you write? That he had 9 touchdowns in 50 catches that year? You fail to realize that he was a third receiver back then, not able to wrestle the job away from Robert Ferguson because he couldn't get the playbook down. The Javon love is unreal. Heck Eddie Kennison did nearly the same thing his rookie season.

 

[sho nuff]

What fact did you write? That he had 9 touchdowns in 50 catches that year? You fail to realize that he was a third receiver back then, not able to wrestle the job away from Robert Ferguson because he couldn't get the playbook down. The Javon love is unreal. Heck Eddie Kennison did nearly the same thing his rookie season.

He was 3 on the depth chart to start the year. As a 2nd year WR. He was also not the #3 once Driver was injurred that year.He progressed from year one, to year two, to year 3. Like other very good WRs before him. It is the natural progression of a WR.

Saying he had one good year is not being completely honest...because year two was not bad.

This is more at the people who say he sucked his first 2 years and did not earn his rookie money.

 

[code]

I'm rapidly developing a case of "absolutely will not draft" for Mr. Walker...

 

[Baracuda]

I'm rapidly developing a case of "absolutely will not draft" for Mr. Walker...

I couldn't agree more. He does nothing for me. At all.

 

[bro1ncos]

This isn't the first story we have heard about players (FA's) that don't want to sign with New England. There has been a lot of speculation to the lack of loyalty of the organization and the way they treat their players as possessions instead of people. Obviously their philospohy works right now, but that may not always be the case.

 

[BlueOnion]

This isn't the first story we have heard about players (FA's) that don't want to sign with New England. There has been a lot of speculation to the lack of loyalty of the organization and the way they treat their players as possessions instead of people. Obviously their philospohy works right now, but that may not always be the case.

I am not sure why this would be a problem with anyone. If New England and a player cannot reach a deal that is ammicable to both sides, why would the two parties sign a contract then?

 

[packersfan]

it's the typical choice, do you want to win, or get paid and be the star?

He might still win in Denver, but this appears to be secondary to him.

Agreed. I think you have to seriously question any player who wouldn't want to play for the Patriots and especially if you're a WR who would be working with Tom Brady. Even if Walker didn't believe the Patriots would pay him what he wanted, the fact is he blew them off repeatedly and never even gave them a real chance to present a case to him for why they wanted him. He's a very talented player, no question about that. But a lot of things have emerged in the last year about Walker and those close to him which lead to some serious questions about his character in my opinion.

 

[BlueOnion]

But a lot of things have emerged in the last year about Walker and those close to him which lead to some serious questions about his character in my opinion.

This is a reach.

 

[packersfan]

But a lot of things have emerged in the last year about Walker and those close to him which lead to some serious questions about his character in my opinion.

This is a reach.

Not at all in my opinion.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Maybe Javon had already talked with the Broncos and knew he was to be signing with them. IMO going to Denver is just as good if not better for a WR. A great franchise that has recently won SB's and has competed very well for the last long while. Denver has proven to be loyal to great receiving threats. (Smith, Sharpe). Why then would it be bad if Javon would rather want to go to Denver than to NE?

Also, don't believe every thing you hear or that is written in the media.

 

[BlueOnion]

But a lot of things have emerged in the last year about Walker and those close to him which lead to some serious questions about his character in my opinion.

This is a reach.

Not at all in my opinion.

Of course not. Even if we concede that Javon Walker's behavior with the Packers was widely inapropriate (which I don't), it is still only one team. It just so happens it is your team, so I would expect you to have the opinion you do.

 

[sho nuff]

But a lot of things have emerged in the last year about Walker and those close to him which lead to some serious questions about his character in my opinion.

This is a reach.

Really?Threatening a holdout is good character? Threatening retirement is good character? Both done in the media.

Also, if it is true (and the more that comes out the more it appears to be true) that he or his people were the ones saying Driver was wanting out....I do not see it as much of a reach.

Or do you find it that players of good character make up bogus claims about a teammate to make both the teammate and organization you are currently under contract to look bad?

 

[packersfan]

Also, don't believe every thing you hear or that is written in the media.

That's true. However, Dan Pompei is one of the most respected NFL beat writers in the business. His reporting carries plenty of credibilty in my opinion.

 

[packersfan]

But a lot of things have emerged in the last year about Walker and those close to him which lead to some serious questions about his character in my opinion.

This is a reach.

Not at all in my opinion.

Of course not. Even if we concede that Javon Walker's behavior with the Packers was widely inapropriate (which I don't), it is still only one team. It just so happens it is your team, so I would expect you to have the opinion you do.

I'm definitely biased as a Packers fan. That's not a bold admission by any means. But also being where I am I'm more dialed into the behind-the-scenes things that go on with the Packers then other teams. So the opinions I've formed aren't based entirely on what's been reported publically.

 

[BlueOnion]

But a lot of things have emerged in the last year about Walker and those close to him which lead to some serious questions about his character in my opinion.

This is a reach.

Not at all in my opinion.

Of course not. Even if we concede that Javon Walker's behavior with the Packers was widely inapropriate (which I don't), it is still only one team. It just so happens it is your team, so I would expect you to have the opinion you do.

I'm definitely biased as a Packers fan. That's not a bold admission by any means. But also being where I am I'm more dialed into the behind-the-scenes things that go on with the Packers then other teams. So the opinions I've formed aren't based entirely on what's been reported publically.

Behind the scenes in regards to what is in the Packers best interest is, right? When was the last time your behind the scene sources acknowledged the Packers FO made a critical mistake?

 

[packersfan]

Behind the scenes in regards to what is in the Packers best interest is, right?

Nope. Behind-the-scenes info with regards to the team, players, coaches, front office, the whole deal.

When was the last time your behind the scene sources acknowledged the Packers FO made a critical mistake?

It's not so much a question of right and wrong, but rather the ability to acquire additional (and oftentimes essential) information that allows me to form a (hopefully) more comprehensive and accurate conclusion about whatever situation may be in discussion.

 

[BlueOnion]

Behind the scenes in regards to what is in the Packers best interest is, right?

Nope. Behind-the-scenes info with regards to the team, players, coaches, front office, the whole deal.

When was the last time your behind the scene sources acknowledged the Packers FO made a critical mistake?

It's not so much a question of right and wrong, but rather the ability to acquire additional (and oftentimes essential) information that allows me to form a (hopefully) more comprehensive and accurate conclusion about whatever situation may be in discussion.

Sounds awfully one sided to me.

 

[packersfan]

Behind the scenes in regards to what is in the Packers best interest is, right?

Nope. Behind-the-scenes info with regards to the team, players, coaches, front office, the whole deal.

When was the last time your behind the scene sources acknowledged the Packers FO made a critical mistake?

It's not so much a question of right and wrong, but rather the ability to acquire additional (and oftentimes essential) information that allows me to form a (hopefully) more comprehensive and accurate conclusion about whatever situation may be in discussion.

Sounds awfully one sided to me.

Getting information from both sides of an issue sounds awfully one-sided to you? I'm not even sure how to respond to that to be honest.

 

[BlueOnion]

Behind the scenes in regards to what is in the Packers best interest is, right?

Nope. Behind-the-scenes info with regards to the team, players, coaches, front office, the whole deal.

When was the last time your behind the scene sources acknowledged the Packers FO made a critical mistake?

It's not so much a question of right and wrong, but rather the ability to acquire additional (and oftentimes essential) information that allows me to form a (hopefully) more comprehensive and accurate conclusion about whatever situation may be in discussion.

Sounds awfully one sided to me.

Getting information from both sides of an issue sounds awfully one-sided to you? I'm not even sure how to respond to that to be honest.

So you had conversations with Javon Walker, Javon Walker's agent or somebody in Javon Walker's family?

 

[sho nuff]

But a lot of things have emerged in the last year about Walker and those close to him which lead to some serious questions about his character in my opinion.

This is a reach.

Really?Threatening a holdout is good character? Threatening retirement is good character? Both done in the media.

Also, if it is true (and the more that comes out the more it appears to be true) that he or his people were the ones saying Driver was wanting out....I do not see it as much of a reach.

Or do you find it that players of good character make up bogus claims about a teammate to make both the teammate and organization you are currently under contract to look bad?

Anything Blue Onion?

 

[packersfan]

So you had conversations with Javon Walker, Javon Walker's agent or somebody in Javon Walker's family?

Yup.

 

[ShadowMaster]

You guys ignore ALOT of facts here.

1) It's not exactly a given that NE is the better team and that he went for $ over winning. DEN finished ahead of NE last year and IMO NE lost more key pieces then DEN.

2) NE does not feature any single WR. Perhaps he did not want to have the 2 target games the Billick system will give him some times.

 

[BlueOnion]

Anything Blue Onion?

Your asking me why this is a reach and the best you got is:

Threatening a holdout is good character? Threatening retirement is good character? Both done in the media.

Lets assume those are bad character traits. Do you have proof or a link showing all dialogue between Walker's agent and the Packer's FO before these public statements were made?

Also, if it is true (and the more that comes out the more it appears to be true) that he or his people were the ones saying Driver was wanting out....I do not see it as much of a reach.

More speculation.

Or do you find it that players of good character make up bogus claims about a teammate to make both the teammate and organization you are currently under contract to look bad?

Did you post this twice by accident?

 

[packersfan]

You guys ignore ALOT of facts here.

1) It's not exactly a given that NE is the better team and that he went for $ over winning. DEN finished ahead of NE last year and IMO NE lost more key pieces then DEN.

The Patriots have clearly been the superior team over the course of the past several seasons. That isn't even close to coming into question.

2) NE does not feature any single WR. Perhaps he did not want to have the 2 target games the Billick system will give him some times.

Perhaps. Then again, why jump to a conclusion about a great team with a proven head coach and a probable future Hall of Fame QB still in his prime without even meeting with the team first? If you were an NFL WR and had a chance to play for a proven winner and the winner of multiple Super Bowls in the past few seasons with arguably the game's premier QB wouldn't you at least want to hear what they had to say before reaching a conclusion? Seems to be the intelligent move to make if you ask me.

 

[BlueOnion]

Perhaps. Then again, why jump to a conclusion about a great team with a proven head coach and a probable future Hall of Fame QB still in his prime without even meeting with the team first? If you were an NFL WR and had a chance to play for a proven winner and the winner of multiple Super Bowls in the past few seasons with arguably the game's premier QB wouldn't you at least want to hear what they had to say before reaching a conclusion? Seems to be the intelligent move to make if you ask me.

Are you talking about the Patriots or Broncos here?

 

[packersfan]

Perhaps. Then again, why jump to a conclusion about a great team with a proven head coach and a probable future Hall of Fame QB still in his prime without even meeting with the team first? If you were an NFL WR and had a chance to play for a proven winner and the winner of multiple Super Bowls in the past few seasons with arguably the game's premier QB wouldn't you at least want to hear what they had to say before reaching a conclusion? Seems to be the intelligent move to make if you ask me.

Are you talking about the Patriots or Broncos here?

I really don't have to answer that question, do I?

 

[cstu]

You guys ignore ALOT of facts here.

1) It's not exactly a given that NE is the better team and that he went for $ over winning. DEN finished ahead of NE last year and IMO NE lost more key pieces then DEN.

The Patriots have clearly been the superior team over the course of the past several seasons. That isn't even close to coming into question.

2) NE does not feature any single WR. Perhaps he did not want to have the 2 target games the Billick system will give him some times.

Perhaps. Then again, why jump to a conclusion about a great team with a proven head coach and a probable future Hall of Fame QB still in his prime without even meeting with the team first? If you were an NFL WR and had a chance to play for a proven winner and the winner of multiple Super Bowls in the past few seasons with arguably the game's premier QB wouldn't you at least want to hear what they had to say before reaching a conclusion? Seems to be the intelligent move to make if you ask me.

It doesn't take a genius to know that the Pats aren't going to give him either the targets he wants or the paycheck. I don't find it surprising at all that he wouldn't want to play for them.

 

[BlueOnion]

  Perhaps. Then again, why jump to a conclusion about a great team with a proven head coach and a probable future Hall of Fame QB still in his prime without even meeting with the team first? If you were an NFL WR and had a chance to play for a proven winner and the winner of multiple Super Bowls in the past few seasons with arguably the game's premier QB wouldn't you at least want to hear what they had to say before reaching a conclusion? Seems to be the intelligent move to make if you ask me.

Are you talking about the Patriots or Broncos here?

I really don't have to answer that question, do I?

No. But your insinuation that the Patriots are a far superior team to the Broncos lacks creditibility. It's not like Javon Walker opted to sign with the Texans or something.

 

[packersfan]

Perhaps. Then again, why jump to a conclusion about a great team with a proven head coach and a probable future Hall of Fame QB still in his prime without even meeting with the team first? If you were an NFL WR and had a chance to play for a proven winner and the winner of multiple Super Bowls in the past few seasons with arguably the game's premier QB wouldn't you at least want to hear what they had to say before reaching a conclusion? Seems to be the intelligent move to make if you ask me.

Are you talking about the Patriots or Broncos here?

I really don't have to answer that question, do I?

No. But your insinuation that the Patriots are a far superior team to the Broncos lacks creditibility. It's not like Javon Walker opted to sign with the Texans or something.

How does it lack credibility? How many Super Bowls have the Broncos won in the past few seasons? Are you attempting to question which team has been the superior team in the past few seasons? That isn't even close to being an issue - at least it shouldn't be. How good both teams will be going forward remains to be seen. Maybe the Broncos will be better and maybe that's why Walker went there. However, to dismiss the Patriots outright without even giving them a chance to make a real sales pitch strikes me as rather curious. But that's just a personal opinion.

 

[BlueOnion]

How does it lack credibility? How many Super Bowls have the Broncos won in the past few seasons? Are you attempting to question which team has been the superior team in the past few seasons? That isn't even close to being an issue - at least it shouldn't be. How good both teams will be going forward remains to be seen. Maybe the Broncos will be better and maybe that's why Walker went there. However, to dismiss the Patriots outright without even giving them a chance to make a real sales pitch strikes me as rather curious.

But that's just a personal opinion.

Maybe because the Donkeys beat the Patriots in the playoffs last season? Heck, I'll still consider the Patriots the benchmark of success, but I don't consider than head and shoulders above the Broncos.