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Jay Cutler recent article on ESPN (1 Viewer)

ya cutler has no drive. he was unrecruited out of high school and went to a doormat college program and magically became a first round draft pick.
Sho Nuff is an A-grade Cutler hater. Take whatever he posts with a grain of salt.
Going into that draft I said elsewhere and maybe even on this board that he would be the better of the 3 drafted. I don't hate Jay Cutler. I think he took steps this year to improve, but still has a way to go.And Im not saying Cutler has no drive. Im saying Tebow has that much more.And Im one who thought Tebow had no shot of playing QB in the NFL. But that kind of thing burns inside him to prove everyone wrong. Cutler does not seem to have that.Do you disagree?
None of us are close with Cutler or Tebow. How do we know what drives either of them?
So you can't listen to whats said about each and how they work and what drives them and make any kind of conclusion?Seriously?We get it, you are a Bears homer...you and others will defend all that as Cutler...to the point of just calling me a Cutler hater...but none of you can bring anything to the table to actually disagree with what i have said. Not shocking at all.Its not bad to admit that Tebow has shown more drive at this point than Cutler. Its not a big secret out there either.
 
ya cutler has no drive. he was unrecruited out of high school and went to a doormat college program and magically became a first round draft pick.
Sho Nuff is an A-grade Cutler hater. Take whatever he posts with a grain of salt.
Going into that draft I said elsewhere and maybe even on this board that he would be the better of the 3 drafted. I don't hate Jay Cutler. I think he took steps this year to improve, but still has a way to go.And Im not saying Cutler has no drive. Im saying Tebow has that much more.And Im one who thought Tebow had no shot of playing QB in the NFL. But that kind of thing burns inside him to prove everyone wrong. Cutler does not seem to have that.Do you disagree?
None of us are close with Cutler or Tebow. How do we know what drives either of them?
So you can't listen to whats said about each and how they work and what drives them and make any kind of conclusion?Seriously?We get it, you are a Bears homer...you and others will defend all that as Cutler...to the point of just calling me a Cutler hater...but none of you can bring anything to the table to actually disagree with what i have said. Not shocking at all.Its not bad to admit that Tebow has shown more drive at this point than Cutler. Its not a big secret out there either.
My evidence is 16,000 yards in 68 games, despite the adversity of playing through losing 20 pounds because of Diabetes, the most sacks in the NFL, and media trying to make him out to be the next Rex Grossman. If you don't think he has drive to overcome all of that, you are blind.Again, do you seriously have to bounce from thread to thread picking apart my posts? Just because you are a Packers fan and i'm a Packers fan doesn't mean we can't have constructive discussions.
 
Oh, so we can now measure drive by watching how someone talks? Interesting. I guess Rex Ryan has more drive to win than Bill Belichick since he is more forthcoming and talkative with the media. :lmao:

 
My evidence is 16,000 yards in 68 games, despite the adversity of playing through losing 20 pounds because of Diabetes, the most sacks in the NFL, and media trying to make him out to be the next Rex Grossman. If you don't think he has drive to overcome all of that, you are blind.Again, do you seriously have to bounce from thread to thread picking apart my posts? Just because you are a Packers fan and i'm a Packers fan doesn't mean we can't have constructive discussions.
16,000 yards in 68 games shows he has more drive than Tim Tebow? Thanks.And again, he does have some drive...I never claimed otherwise. I claimed that Tebow has substantially more from what I have seen.As for bouncing from thread to thread.I came in this one, read the article...didn't really comment on most of the crap in it (because a bunch of it was crap) and saw a post comparing he and Tebow. Didn't even look that it was you that posted. Don't flatter yourself.
 
ya cutler has no drive. he was unrecruited out of high school and went to a doormat college program and magically became a first round draft pick.
Sho Nuff is an A-grade Cutler hater. Take whatever he posts with a grain of salt.
Going into that draft I said elsewhere and maybe even on this board that he would be the better of the 3 drafted. I don't hate Jay Cutler. I think he took steps this year to improve, but still has a way to go.And Im not saying Cutler has no drive. Im saying Tebow has that much more.And Im one who thought Tebow had no shot of playing QB in the NFL. But that kind of thing burns inside him to prove everyone wrong. Cutler does not seem to have that.Do you disagree?
None of us are close with Cutler or Tebow. How do we know what drives either of them?
So you can't listen to whats said about each and how they work and what drives them and make any kind of conclusion?Seriously?We get it, you are a Bears homer...you and others will defend all that as Cutler...to the point of just calling me a Cutler hater...but none of you can bring anything to the table to actually disagree with what i have said. Not shocking at all.Its not bad to admit that Tebow has shown more drive at this point than Cutler. Its not a big secret out there either.
How does one define "drive?" Is it work ethic? Film study? Ability to adapt to one's coaching? I'm not saying you're wrong about Tebow vs. Cutler in that regard, but I also think "drive" is one of those nebulous terms that has very little to do with who is ultimately successful or not. There are players who clearly don't embrace their opportunity, but I would say the majority of NFL players do. Trying harder seems like a cliche thrown around for players that lack more tangible assets. When the Broncos took Tebow, how many talking heads said, "He'll outwork anyone" which was their way of trying to put lipstick on the fact he had a freaky release and very little in his mechanics pointed to clear success.
 
Oh, so we can now measure drive by watching how someone talks? Interesting. I guess Rex Ryan has more drive to win than Bill Belichick since he is more forthcoming and talkative with the media. :lmao:
Oh...so now we can spin what I said even more.You have some claiming I stated Cutler has no drive. Never said that.Now this.Yes...I clearly said it was all about how someone talks...no other factors in there right? :lmao: Do you honestly think Cutler has more drive to win and get better and work on his craft than Tim Tebow does?
 
How does one define "drive?" Is it work ethic? Film study? Ability to adapt to one's coaching? I'm not saying you're wrong about Tebow vs. Cutler in that regard, but I also think "drive" is one of those nebulous terms that has very little to do with who is ultimately successful or not. There are players who clearly don't embrace their opportunity, but I would say the majority of NFL players do. Trying harder seems like a cliche thrown around for players that lack more tangible assets. When the Broncos took Tebow, how many talking heads said, "He'll outwork anyone" which was their way of trying to put lipstick on the fact he had a freaky release and very little in his mechanics pointed to clear success.
I think its the overall passion for the game and the craft of being a QB. The want to prove everyone who doubts you wrong.And I am far from a Tebow fan...never have been...but I have not seem many like him as far as a will to succeed and win and get better (outside of a guy like Peyton Manning).And from a Packer fan perspective...look at Rodgers. Listen to his comments and those of the people around him. How badly he wants to show teams were wrong for passing on him...and those who doubt he could come in after Favre and how hard he works to improve and get better to prove those people wrong.I just have not seen much of that from Cutler. Maybe its the ho hum attitude...maybe other things...but just not seeing that same chip on his shoulder that others have.
 
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Oh, so we can now measure drive by watching how someone talks? Interesting. I guess Rex Ryan has more drive to win than Bill Belichick since he is more forthcoming and talkative with the media. :)
Oh...so now we can spin what I said even more.You have some claiming I stated Cutler has no drive. Never said that.

Now this.

Yes...I clearly said it was all about how someone talks...no other factors in there right? :lmao:

Do you honestly think Cutler has more drive to win and get better and work on his craft than Tim Tebow does?
Let's say the answer is "NO" he does not. Does that mean Tebow will have more success in the NFL than Cutler?I can point to a lot of walk ons that had more drive and work ethic than blue chip recruits at nearly every college, that didn't mean they were going to outperform them. Rudy was as hard a worker as Notre Dame has ever seen, but that didn't make him more successful than a great many of his teammates.

 
Oh, so we can now measure drive by watching how someone talks? Interesting. I guess Rex Ryan has more drive to win than Bill Belichick since he is more forthcoming and talkative with the media. :)
Oh...so now we can spin what I said even more.You have some claiming I stated Cutler has no drive. Never said that.

Now this.

Yes...I clearly said it was all about how someone talks...no other factors in there right? :lmao:

Do you honestly think Cutler has more drive to win and get better and work on his craft than Tim Tebow does?
Let's say the answer is "NO" he does not. Does that mean Tebow will have more success in the NFL than Cutler?I can point to a lot of walk ons that had more drive and work ethic than blue chip recruits at nearly every college, that didn't mean they were going to outperform them. Rudy was as hard a worker as Notre Dame has ever seen, but that didn't make him more successful than a great many of his teammates.
No, I don't think it necessarily means he will have more success. The question was asked about do you want a media darling...or QB...do you want Tebow or Cutler?

My response was not just about the drive...it specifically stated if he keeps improving, Id take Tebow by a mile.

and then I mentioned the drive.

And yes, there are plenty that have more drive...but now you are putting it in a guy with some solid physical skills, the proper mindset, as well as that drive to succeed.

 
Do you honestly think Cutler has more drive to win and get better and work on his craft than Tim Tebow does?
I have no idea, and no one else can honestly know that either. Drive is impossible to measure. I have said before that Tebow will work as hard as anyone, but Cutler seemed to learn Martz's offense, which everyone says is difficult to learn quickly, pretty fast this year, so I don't think that is an indication of someone who doesn't work hard or who lacks drive. Cutler is an aloof, arrogant guy, but that doesn't mean the guy isn't driven or doesn't work hard.
 
Do you honestly think Cutler has more drive to win and get better and work on his craft than Tim Tebow does?
I have no idea, and no one else can honestly know that either. Drive is impossible to measure. I have said before that Tebow will work as hard as anyone, but Cutler seemed to learn Martz's offense, which everyone says is difficult to learn quickly, pretty fast this year, so I don't think that is an indication of someone who doesn't work hard or who lacks drive. Cutler is an aloof, arrogant guy, but that doesn't mean the guy isn't driven or doesn't work hard.
I have never seen a single article or anything chronicling the work Cutler puts in.Yes, he works...has to to keep playing in this league and to work in that offense.But time after time his whole career there has been talk about how much Tebow does. Maybe its just getting more hype...but I don't think that is a coincidence.
 
Do you honestly think Cutler has more drive to win and get better and work on his craft than Tim Tebow does?
I have no idea, and no one else can honestly know that either. Drive is impossible to measure. I have said before that Tebow will work as hard as anyone, but Cutler seemed to learn Martz's offense, which everyone says is difficult to learn quickly, pretty fast this year, so I don't think that is an indication of someone who doesn't work hard or who lacks drive. Cutler is an aloof, arrogant guy, but that doesn't mean the guy isn't driven or doesn't work hard.
I have never seen a single article or anything chronicling the work Cutler puts in.

Yes, he works...has to to keep playing in this league and to work in that offense.

But time after time his whole career there has been talk about how much Tebow does. Maybe its just getting more hype...but I don't think that is a coincidence.
Again, he doesn't let the media close. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
 
Did the guys defending Cutler read the article?
I did.
What he is is an RPG-armed, 27-year-old Vanderbilt product who dates a reality TV star named Kristin Cavallari, battles Type 1 diabetes every day, and doesn't care who understands him and who doesn't. He's a giving person who does things behind the scenes and hates it when he gets found out. A few days before Christmas, he and Cavallari brought presents for an entire ward of sick hospital kids. A reporter for the Sun-Times got wind of it and asked him about it. Cutler refused to discuss it.He's a battler who's done amazingly well considering the swinging saloon-door offensive line he has to play behind. The man has been sacked more times this season (52) than in his three seasons in Denver combined (51). Yet he never complains.
 
All I really learned from this discussion is that A) I like Cutler even more now and B) sho nuff goes down on Tim Tebow. Jeebus, when's the wedding?

 
Do you honestly think Cutler has more drive to win and get better and work on his craft than Tim Tebow does?
I have no idea, and no one else can honestly know that either. Drive is impossible to measure. I have said before that Tebow will work as hard as anyone, but Cutler seemed to learn Martz's offense, which everyone says is difficult to learn quickly, pretty fast this year, so I don't think that is an indication of someone who doesn't work hard or who lacks drive. Cutler is an aloof, arrogant guy, but that doesn't mean the guy isn't driven or doesn't work hard.
I have never seen a single article or anything chronicling the work Cutler puts in.Yes, he works...has to to keep playing in this league and to work in that offense.But time after time his whole career there has been talk about how much Tebow does. Maybe its just getting more hype...but I don't think that is a coincidence.
I really believe that Tim Tebow has a work ethic that will put almost anyone to shame. If that is the comparison between Tebow and Cutler, I think Tebow wins that in a heartbeat (on that note I think Tebow also wins that one against Rodgers in a heartbeat, or really nearly anyone not named Manning...maybe even him). I do recall a few things mentioned when Martz was first hired on about how he talked about how sharp Cutler was and how his work ethic was going to be what would make him successful in this offense. That was back early last year, so I will have to dig to find a link. But I think the key is that Cutler is so averse to the media that there will not be any real fluff pieces on how many hours he puts in, etc.. I am not sure if that is good or bad but I don't think it really says anything for his work ethic.
 
Do you honestly think Cutler has more drive to win and get better and work on his craft than Tim Tebow does?
I have no idea, and no one else can honestly know that either. Drive is impossible to measure. I have said before that Tebow will work as hard as anyone, but Cutler seemed to learn Martz's offense, which everyone says is difficult to learn quickly, pretty fast this year, so I don't think that is an indication of someone who doesn't work hard or who lacks drive. Cutler is an aloof, arrogant guy, but that doesn't mean the guy isn't driven or doesn't work hard.
I have never seen a single article or anything chronicling the work Cutler puts in.Yes, he works...has to to keep playing in this league and to work in that offense.But time after time his whole career there has been talk about how much Tebow does. Maybe its just getting more hype...but I don't think that is a coincidence.
It is a part of the hype. I mean, Tebow had his own commercial last Super Bowl. Tebow got national attention when he was entering the draft and when Denver trades up to get him, despite having Orton, Tebow is going to be monitored more closely. So everything Tebow does, will be reported.Last year, Cutler got attention, because of his career high interceptions and his poor play. This year his numbers are better and on a playoff team so people will want to know Cutler better, but he does not want people to know about it. Tebow is more open about things whereas Cutler is more private. Can't really show who has more drive if their personalities are different.
 
I really believe that Tim Tebow has a work ethic that will put almost anyone to shame. If that is the comparison between Tebow and Cutler, I think Tebow wins that in a heartbeat (on that note I think Tebow also wins that one against Rodgers in a heartbeat, or really nearly anyone not named Manning...maybe even him). I do recall a few things mentioned when Martz was first hired on about how he talked about how sharp Cutler was and how his work ethic was going to be what would make him successful in this offense. That was back early last year, so I will have to dig to find a link. But I think the key is that Cutler is so averse to the media that there will not be any real fluff pieces on how many hours he puts in, etc.. I am not sure if that is good or bad but I don't think it really says anything for his work ethic.
Agreed...I think Tebow likely does work more than Rodgers (though, Rodgers is no slouch in that by all accounts out there).Like I said, maybe it is just the aloof attitude he shows and that he doesn't do much to get the media doing the stories. But I have seen little to nothing about him...where you see and hear that with other QBs.
 
Again, he doesn't let the media close. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
So, other than talking to him, there is no way to find out how much work he does by talking to teammates...coaches...and so on?Come on now...just stop.
You are the only person in this thread questioning his drive, and you tell me to stop? Denial
Actually, I was praising the drive of another.You and others kept spinning my words to me saying that Cutler has none.So yes...you need to stop.I think there is more ways to determine drive than just what the guy himself has to say. You don't seem to agree there.So I ask you...do you really think Cutler has more drive to succeed, to improve, and to win than Tim Tebow?Will you actually answer that question?
 
I can't figure out which fanbase is more sensitive when someone says something remotely negative about their team:

1) Bear Fans

2) Jet Fans

3) Bronco Fans who can't get over Cutler now being a Bear.

 
Again, he doesn't let the media close. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
So, other than talking to him, there is no way to find out how much work he does by talking to teammates...coaches...and so on?Come on now...just stop.
You are the only person in this thread questioning his drive, and you tell me to stop? Denial
Actually, I was praising the drive of another.You and others kept spinning my words to me saying that Cutler has none.So yes...you need to stop.I think there is more ways to determine drive than just what the guy himself has to say. You don't seem to agree there.So I ask you...do you really think Cutler has more drive to succeed, to improve, and to win than Tim Tebow?Will you actually answer that question?
You have stated Cutler has SOME drive, that's all you have said. Then base it off of what you have seen or read. Is that accurate?To play your little game of answering questions that will make you feel better. Cutler has already succeeded more in the NFL than Tim Tebow.Cutler's rookie year in Denver lead to better #'s and Wins.Tim Tebow won't touch Jay Cutlers career in the NFL.I can't believe the dislike for a guy that wants to be private. He has had ONE bad season in the NFL(if you determine that by INT's), he got beat up this year by a terrible OL, overcame diabetes during an NFL season which he lost 35 pounds(I was wrong earlier when I said 20 pounds), and he has lead his team to a #2 seed in the NFC. I would say adversity is one of Cutler's biggest traits.
 
I really believe that Tim Tebow has a work ethic that will put almost anyone to shame. If that is the comparison between Tebow and Cutler, I think Tebow wins that in a heartbeat (on that note I think Tebow also wins that one against Rodgers in a heartbeat, or really nearly anyone not named Manning...maybe even him). I do recall a few things mentioned when Martz was first hired on about how he talked about how sharp Cutler was and how his work ethic was going to be what would make him successful in this offense. That was back early last year, so I will have to dig to find a link. But I think the key is that Cutler is so averse to the media that there will not be any real fluff pieces on how many hours he puts in, etc.. I am not sure if that is good or bad but I don't think it really says anything for his work ethic.
Agreed...I think Tebow likely does work more than Rodgers (though, Rodgers is no slouch in that by all accounts out there).Like I said, maybe it is just the aloof attitude he shows and that he doesn't do much to get the media doing the stories. But I have seen little to nothing about him...where you see and hear that with other QBs.
So, basically Sho nuff admits Tebow has more drive than basically every QB out there. He just felt the need to single out Cutler as being less driven when almost every QB fits that description. That's his perogative, especially as a Packer fan. As long as he concedes that Rodgers does not have the drive that Tebow has we are good. This deosn't mean Rodgers is a bad QB just as it doesn't mean Cutler is a bad QB.There, now we can all be friends again.
 
You have stated Cutler has SOME drive, that's all you have said. Then base it off of what you have seen or read. Is that accurate?To play your little game of answering questions that will make you feel better. Cutler has already succeeded more in the NFL than Tim Tebow.Cutler's rookie year in Denver lead to better #'s and Wins.Tim Tebow won't touch Jay Cutlers career in the NFL.I can't believe the dislike for a guy that wants to be private. He has had ONE bad season in the NFL(if you determine that by INT's), he got beat up this year by a terrible OL, overcame diabetes during an NFL season which he lost 35 pounds(I was wrong earlier when I said 20 pounds), and he has lead his team to a #2 seed in the NFC. I would say adversity is one of Cutler's biggest traits.
What else should I base it off of?Cutler has succeeded more than Tim Tebow?Hmm...Tebow has 2 national titles, a Heisman Trophy, and was in his first year as a pro (hard to really judge him just on a partial year in the NFL.Cutler had his first winning season since high school. Yeah...he has more success.And you still can't just answer the question. Why is that? Don't want to admit that I just may be right?I don't dislike the guy for being private. I don't even dislike him.He has a lot of talent for sure. But I answered your question of him vs. Tebow. Not shockingly, you, as a Bear homer, didn't like it.
 
I really believe that Tim Tebow has a work ethic that will put almost anyone to shame. If that is the comparison between Tebow and Cutler, I think Tebow wins that in a heartbeat (on that note I think Tebow also wins that one against Rodgers in a heartbeat, or really nearly anyone not named Manning...maybe even him). I do recall a few things mentioned when Martz was first hired on about how he talked about how sharp Cutler was and how his work ethic was going to be what would make him successful in this offense. That was back early last year, so I will have to dig to find a link. But I think the key is that Cutler is so averse to the media that there will not be any real fluff pieces on how many hours he puts in, etc.. I am not sure if that is good or bad but I don't think it really says anything for his work ethic.
Agreed...I think Tebow likely does work more than Rodgers (though, Rodgers is no slouch in that by all accounts out there).Like I said, maybe it is just the aloof attitude he shows and that he doesn't do much to get the media doing the stories. But I have seen little to nothing about him...where you see and hear that with other QBs.
So, basically Sho nuff admits Tebow has more drive than basically every QB out there. He just felt the need to single out Cutler as being less driven when almost every QB fits that description. That's his perogative, especially as a Packer fan. As long as he concedes that Rodgers does not have the drive that Tebow has we are good. This deosn't mean Rodgers is a bad QB just as it doesn't mean Cutler is a bad QB.There, now we can all be friends again.
I felt the need to single him out? Did I start a thread to bash Cutler on this?The question was asked which one people would want. I did not bring Tebow into the discussion. Benson did.So how did I single him out?Way to misrepresent what went on (and people wonder why my post count gets high...this is at least the 4th time in this thread alone that my words or the situation were misrepresented).
 
I really believe that Tim Tebow has a work ethic that will put almost anyone to shame. If that is the comparison between Tebow and Cutler, I think Tebow wins that in a heartbeat (on that note I think Tebow also wins that one against Rodgers in a heartbeat, or really nearly anyone not named Manning...maybe even him).

I do recall a few things mentioned when Martz was first hired on about how he talked about how sharp Cutler was and how his work ethic was going to be what would make him successful in this offense. That was back early last year, so I will have to dig to find a link. But I think the key is that Cutler is so averse to the media that there will not be any real fluff pieces on how many hours he puts in, etc.. I am not sure if that is good or bad but I don't think it really says anything for his work ethic.
Agreed...I think Tebow likely does work more than Rodgers (though, Rodgers is no slouch in that by all accounts out there).Like I said, maybe it is just the aloof attitude he shows and that he doesn't do much to get the media doing the stories. But I have seen little to nothing about him...where you see and hear that with other QBs.
So, basically Sho nuff admits Tebow has more drive than basically every QB out there. He just felt the need to single out Cutler as being less driven when almost every QB fits that description. That's his perogative, especially as a Packer fan. As long as he concedes that Rodgers does not have the drive that Tebow has we are good. This deosn't mean Rodgers is a bad QB just as it doesn't mean Cutler is a bad QB.There, now we can all be friends again.
I felt the need to single him out? Did I start a thread to bash Cutler on this?The question was asked which one people would want. I did not bring Tebow into the discussion. Benson did.

So how did I single him out?

Way to misrepresent what went on (and people wonder why my post count gets high...this is at least the 4th time in this thread alone that my words or the situation were misrepresented).
Or not. :bag:
 
When he was in Denver, I read that his teammates generally didn't like him. They thought he was arrogant. Maybe most QBs are, but it seems that Cutler has always rubbed some of his teammates the wrong way more than most.(Also, on a separate note, I know two bartenders who used to work at a popular Denver bar that Cutler frequented, and both said that he was a jerk.)
To be fair MT, (and as a huge Rivers fan) you've always disliked the bloke haven't you mate?
Yes.
Not discounting what you are saying, but in general the line between "arrogant" and "aloof" are sometimes difficult to see and the difference can be, in large part, assumption on the part of the observer.I honestly think some of what is taken as "arrogance" is simply Jay keeping people at arm's length. People presume he doesn't want to "be their friend" because he thinks he's better then them...or maybe it's just because he has a very protective nature. :shrug:
Yes, that's definitely possible.
 
Did the guys defending Cutler read the article?
I did.
What he is is an RPG-armed, 27-year-old Vanderbilt product who dates a reality TV star named Kristin Cavallari, battles Type 1 diabetes every day, and doesn't care who understands him and who doesn't. He's a giving person who does things behind the scenes and hates it when he gets found out. A few days before Christmas, he and Cavallari brought presents for an entire ward of sick hospital kids. A reporter for the Sun-Times got wind of it and asked him about it. Cutler refused to discuss it.He's a battler who's done amazingly well considering the swinging saloon-door offensive line he has to play behind. The man has been sacked more times this season (52) than in his three seasons in Denver combined (51). Yet he never complains.
I don't think anyone is calling the guy a completely heartless bastage. Like anyone else he has good and bad moments. What makes him a mope, imo, is that he completely disrespected not one but two veteran players, one of whom is a HOFer at his position in the city he was playing in. Couple that with numerous reports that teammates dislike him, his body language and general demeanor and I see a problem. Some may take the angle that he could have a personality disorder that makes him act like this. While possible, and I would be happy to give him the benefit of the doubt or reevaluate if that turns out to be the case, until then it's weak sauce.
 
As a person, I'd take Cutler over Raplisberger any day...

I'm not sure Cutler has the mental aptitude to be a NFL QB great, but attacks on his character seem to be misplaced.

 
And?They beat him in yards, kill him in TDs, sacked far less, had more wins and been in the postseason more.
So 2 guys in the HISTORY OF THE NFL are better than him, and you are complaining?
Thats what you got out of that link?I think its great he had a nice completion percentage in comparison to those 2...his other numbers were quite a bit behind them though.

I just didn't think the link did much to really support Cutler all that much.

 
And?They beat him in yards, kill him in TDs, sacked far less, had more wins and been in the postseason more.
So 2 guys in the HISTORY OF THE NFL are better than him, and you are complaining?
Thats what you got out of that link?I think its great he had a nice completion percentage in comparison to those 2...his other numbers were quite a bit behind them though.

I just didn't think the link did much to really support Cutler all that much.
Wow. Seriously?!First his completion percentage isn't just "in comparison to" - it's better than Marino's - despite Cutler being sacked more than twice as often as Marino. Also, his 1.6 difference in passer rating from Manning, I wouldn't consider "quite a bit behind". Also, his yards per attempt are similar to Manning's. The other numbers aren't quite that close - but largely because Cutler averaged only 11 starts per season his first 5 years (because he didn't start until the last 5 games of his rookie season in Denver), instead of the 14 & 16 that Marino and Manning did.

Now I am not trying to compare him to Manning or Marino (whoever provided that link did that) - but his stats seem to stack up fairly well according to the link - and Manning and Marino are both two of the best of all time at the position. But if you like Tebow better...I can see that. :shrug:

 
Does Cutler have to be likable to do his job?

Nope

BUT, he should keep in mind, he plays NFL quarterback. That position gets more blame and praise than any other position based on a team's results. If you are not well liked, the blame will come quicker and the praise will come slower.

If he wins he'll be fine, but when times get tough people are quicker to turn on someone they just don't like. Likewise his value to the team is diminished.Not on the field but in the marketplace. Fans want to rally around a franchise QB, but they don't want to rally around someone they perceive as a jerk.

All in all he has every right to act however he wants, but someone should explain to him that PR and the media is part of being an NFL quarterback, and if he misses on those parts he'll less of a free pas when there are troubles on the field.

 
How does one define "drive?" Is it work ethic? Film study? Ability to adapt to one's coaching? I'm not saying you're wrong about Tebow vs. Cutler in that regard, but I also think "drive" is one of those nebulous terms that has very little to do with who is ultimately successful or not. There are players who clearly don't embrace their opportunity, but I would say the majority of NFL players do. Trying harder seems like a cliche thrown around for players that lack more tangible assets. When the Broncos took Tebow, how many talking heads said, "He'll outwork anyone" which was their way of trying to put lipstick on the fact he had a freaky release and very little in his mechanics pointed to clear success.
I think its the overall passion for the game and the craft of being a QB. The want to prove everyone who doubts you wrong.And I am far from a Tebow fan...never have been...but I have not seem many like him as far as a will to succeed and win and get better (outside of a guy like Peyton Manning).And from a Packer fan perspective...look at Rodgers. Listen to his comments and those of the people around him. How badly he wants to show teams were wrong for passing on him...and those who doubt he could come in after Favre and how hard he works to improve and get better to prove those people wrong.I just have not seen much of that from Cutler. Maybe its the ho hum attitude...maybe other things...but just not seeing that same chip on his shoulder that others have.
The problem is that you think this information is knowable. You get what the media gives you, that's it. It is likely that a person's "drive" is manifested in many different ways.Perhaps Cutler's refusal to spend time prancing about for the media is a reflection of his drive. Maybe he is more focused on football than being well liked. Maybe he internalizes more than Tebow. Personalities are different. Just because Cutler doesn't fit the mold of the cheerleader quarterback that the media wants doesn't make him Jeff George. I highly doubt your ability to accurately measure Cutler's "overall passion for the game and craft of being a QB". What goes on inside either of these guys' heads is unknowable to all of us. Let's not pretend otherwise by ascribing things like "drive" to people we've never met. Evaluate both of them based on their performance on the field, that is something we can comment on intelligently (some of us).
 
Wow. Seriously?!First his completion percentage isn't just "in comparison to" - it's better than Marino's - despite Cutler being sacked more than twice as often as Marino. Also, his 1.6 difference in passer rating from Manning, I wouldn't consider "quite a bit behind". Also, his yards per attempt are similar to Manning's. The other numbers aren't quite that close - but largely because Cutler averaged only 11 starts per season his first 5 years (because he didn't start until the last 5 games of his rookie season in Denver), instead of the 14 & 16 that Marino and Manning did. Now I am not trying to compare him to Manning or Marino (whoever provided that link did that) - but his stats seem to stack up fairly well according to the link - and Manning and Marino are both two of the best of all time at the position. But if you like Tebow better...I can see that. :IBTL:
Well...few things. Marino had one of the quickest releases of all times. Some of Cutler being sacked that much more is not just on the line...but on the QB (they corrected a bit of this as the year went on...not all on Jay for sure...the line and Martz's offense were doing him no favors).But what was that stat meant to show in this thread. It seemed just thrown in there because Cutler was taking some criticism.I still ask what was the point of posting it in this thread?As for Tebow...ask Benson why he brought him up. I made one statement regarding Tebow's drive and several of you can't seem to get over that very well to the point of twisting my words to say things I never said.
 
Does Cutler have to be likable to do his job?NopeBUT, he should keep in mind, he plays NFL quarterback. That position gets more blame and praise than any other position based on a team's results. If you are not well liked, the blame will come quicker and the praise will come slower.If he wins he'll be fine, but when times get tough people are quicker to turn on someone they just don't like. Likewise his value to the team is diminished.Not on the field but in the marketplace. Fans want to rally around a franchise QB, but they don't want to rally around someone they perceive as a jerk.All in all he has every right to act however he wants, but someone should explain to him that PR and the media is part of being an NFL quarterback, and if he misses on those parts he'll less of a free pas when there are troubles on the field.
Does he have to be well liked? By the media? No.By teammates? I think it is a big help if a guy is liked yes.
 
What makes him a mope, imo, is that he completely disrespected not one but two veteran players, one of whom is a HOFer at his position in the city he was playing in. Couple that with numerous reports that teammates dislike him, his body language and general demeanor and I see a problem. Some may take the angle that he could have a personality disorder that makes him act like this. While possible, and I would be happy to give him the benefit of the doubt or reevaluate if that turns out to be the case, until then it's weak sauce.
That's where we disagree. I care much less that he supposedly disrespected 2 NFL players than I do that he does charitable things and seeks to avoid publicity about it.
 
Does Cutler have to be likable to do his job?NopeBUT, he should keep in mind, he plays NFL quarterback. That position gets more blame and praise than any other position based on a team's results. If you are not well liked, the blame will come quicker and the praise will come slower.If he wins he'll be fine, but when times get tough people are quicker to turn on someone they just don't like. Likewise his value to the team is diminished.Not on the field but in the marketplace. Fans want to rally around a franchise QB, but they don't want to rally around someone they perceive as a jerk.All in all he has every right to act however he wants, but someone should explain to him that PR and the media is part of being an NFL quarterback, and if he misses on those parts he'll less of a free pas when there are troubles on the field.
Does he have to be well liked? By the media? No.By teammates? I think it is a big help if a guy is liked yes.
I'd agreethough if he was winning they'd put up with Chalres Mansonit's when the times get tough that being unliked can be an issue
 
This was a guy living with Type I diabetes symptoms and didn't even realize he had the disease! I can't even begin to imagine how crappy he felt all the time (and probably still does). We'd all be a-holes too with those ups and downs.

 
The problem is that you think this information is knowable. You get what the media gives you, that's it. It is likely that a person's "drive" is manifested in many different ways.Perhaps Cutler's refusal to spend time prancing about for the media is a reflection of his drive. Maybe he is more focused on football than being well liked. Maybe he internalizes more than Tebow. Personalities are different. Just because Cutler doesn't fit the mold of the cheerleader quarterback that the media wants doesn't make him Jeff George. I highly doubt your ability to accurately measure Cutler's "overall passion for the game and craft of being a QB". What goes on inside either of these guys' heads is unknowable to all of us. Let's not pretend otherwise by ascribing things like "drive" to people we've never met. Evaluate both of them based on their performance on the field, that is something we can comment on intelligently (some of us).
Is it totally knowable? No.But I think we can get glimpses of it. There is a reason there are pieces done about it for quite a few QBs and it gets talked about.Maybe he does more inside that is not known or seen or talked about by anyone. I find it hard to believe though that if he worked as hard as Tebow appears to or was as driven as Tebow appears to be...that it would not have been talked about. Its not as if he has only been in the league a year or two.What was the point of the information in () though? Do you feel that really added to the conversation at all?
 
sho nuff said:
Chreesto said:
The problem is that you think this information is knowable. You get what the media gives you, that's it. It is likely that a person's "drive" is manifested in many different ways.Perhaps Cutler's refusal to spend time prancing about for the media is a reflection of his drive. Maybe he is more focused on football than being well liked. Maybe he internalizes more than Tebow. Personalities are different. Just because Cutler doesn't fit the mold of the cheerleader quarterback that the media wants doesn't make him Jeff George. I highly doubt your ability to accurately measure Cutler's "overall passion for the game and craft of being a QB". What goes on inside either of these guys' heads is unknowable to all of us. Let's not pretend otherwise by ascribing things like "drive" to people we've never met. Evaluate both of them based on their performance on the field, that is something we can comment on intelligently (some of us).
Is it totally knowable? No.But I think we can get glimpses of it. There is a reason there are pieces done about it for quite a few QBs and it gets talked about.Maybe he does more inside that is not known or seen or talked about by anyone. I find it hard to believe though that if he worked as hard as Tebow appears to or was as driven as Tebow appears to be...that it would not have been talked about. Its not as if he has only been in the league a year or two.What was the point of the information in () though? Do you feel that really added to the conversation at all?
The information in parenthesis wasn't a shot at you. It was a qualifier. I don't want to make the assertion that everyone in the shark pool can comment intelligently about what occurs on the football field, so I qualified my statement. As to your statement about "pieces done about it for quite a few QBs", yes, that's true. Keep in mind, however, that the media is first and foremost a business. They want to sell a product. They sell a lot more feel good stories about people that are well liked than they do about people who aren't. Cutler isn't a great looking guy. He has an ####### sneer on his face at most times. His failure to be like-able makes him more valuable to the media as a foil than a hero.
 
sho nuff said:
Ghost Rider said:
sho nuff said:
Do you honestly think Cutler has more drive to win and get better and work on his craft than Tim Tebow does?
I have no idea, and no one else can honestly know that either. Drive is impossible to measure. I have said before that Tebow will work as hard as anyone, but Cutler seemed to learn Martz's offense, which everyone says is difficult to learn quickly, pretty fast this year, so I don't think that is an indication of someone who doesn't work hard or who lacks drive. Cutler is an aloof, arrogant guy, but that doesn't mean the guy isn't driven or doesn't work hard.
I have never seen a single article or anything chronicling the work Cutler puts in.Yes, he works...has to to keep playing in this league and to work in that offense.

But time after time his whole career there has been talk about how much Tebow does. Maybe its just getting more hype...but I don't think that is a coincidence.
wonder why that is. proly has nothing to do with the above article.
 
Raider Nation said:
Super Bowl-winning QB Trent Dilfer doesn't like what he sees from Gomer:

Former NFL quarterback Trent Dilfer continued his highly critical assessment of the Bears' Jay Cutler on Thursday.

"The issue with mechanics and why I think Steve Young and I have been two of the most critical of Jay's laziness with his mechanics ... and I speak on the subject with intimate knowledge of it because it really hurt my career ... the limiting factor in reaching your athletic potential is flawed mechanics," Dilfer responded to a Tribune question during an ESPN conference call.

"It doesn't mean you can't be good. But you'll never reach your potential with flawed mechanics. It truly is a limiting factor. So you look at a guy like Jay Cutler and your jaw drops with all of the potential he has. But then you are frustrated because you wonder, 'Does he not understand how good he could be, if he just fixed and dedicated himself to fixing some very basic principles of his mechanics?'

"So I think that is one of the reasons we are very critical. Not that he is not a good player. He has immense talent, you can't argue with that. But that's the frustration behind it"

Dilfer was a 14-year NFL veteran and played for five teams during his career, including the 2000 Baltimore Ravens, whom he helped lead to a 34-7 victory over the Giants in Super Bowl XXXV.

Dilfer's criticism of Cutler does not extend to the frequent media observations about his leadership skills and overall demeanor.

"Others who talk about the body language and demeanor ... now I am a believer that he is different privately than he is publicly," Dilfer said. "I have spoken to enough people that know the situation and who have played with him and had no problem with that and say he is a good leader, that he does handle the team aspect very well, privately. He just doesn't come off that way publicly. So I try to avoid those comments because I know privately his players like him. And he has handled those situations well. My criticism of Jay Cutler is simply this: He could be an elite player in this league. But he won't be until he dedicates himself to dealing with the basic things that will bring out and maximize his potential."

Cutler will be making his first playoff appearance Sunday against the Seattle Seahawks. Dilfer has not been impressed with Cutler's big-game performances in the past.

"And they tend to show up -- the laziness in his mechanics, the flaws in his mechanics tend to show up late in games," Dilfer said. "Red zone, critical downs, tight games. You go to the interception he threw against the Packers ... it was a high ball on a crossing route. You, know, the guy's open. I think it's (Devin) Hester, running the deep end route at the end of the game as they're trying to come back. (He) loses control of the ball on an intermediate throw across the middle, because of that excess motion in his delivery and his feet are unbalanced.

"So he could say, well, he missed one. And people can make excuses for him. But at the end of the day, you don't see Tom Brady miss that throw, you don't see Aaron Rodgers miss that throw, you don't see Drew Brees miss that throw, you don't see Phillip Rivers miss that throw. Why? Because mechanically they are so sound, and in crunch situations, their body responds the way it should and they are able to deliver the ball on target. Jay, too often doesn't. You can make a lot of excuses for him why he does it. But ultimately it's because his mechanics fall apart in those situations."
I think Dilfer's spot on here. Cutler is immensely talented but it doesn't take an NFL Scout's eye to realize his footwork is terrible. Cutler succeeds in spite of his poor footwork which is a testament to how gifted he is. If he ever cleaned it up I agree that he'd be elite. Until then I think he'll continue to tease with glimpses of inspiring performances mixed in with one's that leave Bears fans wondering what they have in the guy. I can't recall seeing many QB's throw the ball with their feet parallel to the line of scrimmage as often as Cutler does. His arm strength is amazing to be able to even get these throws in the neighborhood of the target. Put me in the group that has no issue with him being standoffish to the media.

 

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