Jeff Fisher doesn't think CJ is that good! (1 Viewer)

[munchkin]

Why doesn't Jeff Fisher trust Crazy Legs? Why would you put the ball in the hands of your most dynamic player only 13 times? I tuned into the Houston feed on Sirius radio in the 2nd quarter after one of CJ's runs (for some reason the Titans don't broadcast over Sirius) to hear the broadcasts wetting themselves over what a great back Johnson was. Dynamic, potential game changer, speed, great college player' you'd have thought it was CJ's agent talking not the opposing team's play-by-play announcer.

That was the 24th ranked run defense they went up against yesterday. CJ had what, 65 yards on 11 carries? The more the Titans tried to throw the ball the more out of sync they got. In a word, AWFUL.

Slaton got the ball 24 time for 100 yards on the ground with another 3 for 15 in the air. I know he had the one long gainer late but isn't that what CJ is supposed to provide. Does CJ have a bonus provision in his contract if he wins Offensive Rookie of the Year that the team doesn't want to pay?

 

[3C's]

ETA: The venting thread is down the hall.

 

[FavreCo]

Maybe Fisher was jealous. Maybe he thought he had to keep pace with.......

ANDRE JOHNSON!!!!!

 

[zamboni]

Could be that Fisher is trying to scale back a bit and not to overuse CJ too much in the regular season and have him fresh for the playoffs. He has had a pretty robust 235 carries so far this year.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Could be that Fisher is trying to scale back a bit and not to overuse CJ too much in the regular season and have him fresh for the playoffs. He has had a pretty robust 235 carries so far this year.

When HFA advantage is on the line, I'd really question if that's true.

 

[yellowdog]

Same reason he didn't send Bironas out for a possible game winning FG.

 

[FUBAR]

color me crazy, but it seemed to me that Fisher didn't care too much about winning this game.

he tried things like throwing deep more often than he will when it counts, didn't take a high % play or FG

I'm probably wrong and I'm sure I'll be chided for thinking it, but I never got the feeling while watching yesterday that he was completely focused on winning this game.

 

[Banger]

I obviously didn't see the defensive game film but I'd guess that Houston was putting 9 in the box which led the Titans to pass the ball more frequently. The problem was that Collins couldn't hit the broad side of a barn yesterday, he was awful and lost them the game.

 

[zamboni]

Could be that Fisher is trying to scale back a bit and not to overuse CJ too much in the regular season and have him fresh for the playoffs. He has had a pretty robust 235 carries so far this year.

When HFA advantage is on the line, I'd really question if that's true.

Agreed, but Lendale has been running the ball pretty well, too, so they can lean a bit more in that direction. But to be sure, I'm not sure why CJ's touches were limited.

 

[FFdork]

I'm puzzled by the lack of touches as well. If teams are selling out to stop the run, I can understand that. Still, you'd think they'd do more to get him involved in the passing game and get him out in space. I only got to see part of the game, so maybe they were trying and those plays got blown up or lost to penalites

 

[munchkin]

color me crazy, but it seemed to me that Fisher didn't care too much about winning this game.

he tried things like throwing deep more often than he will when it counts, didn't take a high % play or FG

I'm probably wrong and I'm sure I'll be chided for thinking it, but I never got the feeling while watching yesterday that he was completely focused on winning this game.

Yeah, that was probably it. Coaches and players aren't paid to win games. He was probably focused on his wife's Christmas wish list. I bet she doesn't have playoff home field advantage on there.I get it, when your QB is awful that is the time to go to him more often. If your RB is putting up over 6ypc you put him on the bench. Best coach in football, I don't think so. He's not even the best coach in the Division; maybe next year after Dungy retires.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Maybe Fisher was not aware that you were starting CJ?

 

[sandlotshrink]

Well it's not getting any easier next week vs. Pitt. Perhaps we see VY at QB running the Wildcat formation? They will have to adapt somehow to compete in that game and isn't homefield advantage still up for grabs?

 

[Ice Cream Man]

RE: touches. The Texans couldn't really stop the run (CJ was 13 for 65), and TEN was never far behind in the game, so abandoning the run is very peculiar. If they were putting 8 or 9 in the box it didn't show.

RE: Fisher not caring about the game. I think the poster meant that Fisher may have looked at the HOU game as a way to try out a few new things or wrinkles to help them going forward against better opponents, feeling that even if these didn't work out TEN would still pull it out.

I don't what TEN was doing with the play calling, but they didn't play very good either.

 

[Lobary]

I obviously didn't see the defensive game film but I'd guess that Houston was putting 9 in the box which led the Titans to pass the ball more frequently. The problem was that Collins couldn't hit the broad side of a barn yesterday, he was awful and lost them the game.

This guy didn't even see the game and he's smart enough to figure it out. This is exactly correct. The Texans defensive front did an exceptional job against the run yesterday and put the Titans in multiple passing situations on third down.

 

[FUBAR]

color me crazy, but it seemed to me that Fisher didn't care too much about winning this game.

he tried things like throwing deep more often than he will when it counts, didn't take a high % play or FG

I'm probably wrong and I'm sure I'll be chided for thinking it, but I never got the feeling while watching yesterday that he was completely focused on winning this game.

Yeah, that was probably it. Coaches and players aren't paid to win games. He was probably focused on his wife's Christmas wish list. I bet she doesn't have playoff home field advantage on there.I get it, when your QB is awful that is the time to go to him more often. If your RB is putting up over 6ypc you put him on the bench. Best coach in football, I don't think so. He's not even the best coach in the Division; maybe next year after Dungy retires.

sometimes it's more important to develop your team and see what they can do rather than do whatever it takes to win this one game. Fisher is a lot better coach than Dungy, very few people would argue your side here. After they beat Pittsburgh, we'll see how you change your tune, if you're around.

 

[FUBAR]

I obviously didn't see the defensive game film but I'd guess that Houston was putting 9 in the box which led the Titans to pass the ball more frequently. The problem was that Collins couldn't hit the broad side of a barn yesterday, he was awful and lost them the game.

This guy didn't even see the game and he's smart enough to figure it out. This is exactly correct. The Texans defensive front did an exceptional job against the run yesterday and put the Titans in multiple passing situations on third down.

They did, and while CJ had a 5 ypc, he had a lot of plays for little to no gain.

 

[Lobary]

RE: touches. The Texans couldn't really stop the run (CJ was 13 for 65), and TEN was never far behind in the game, so abandoning the run is very peculiar. If they were putting 8 or 9 in the box it didn't show.

I take it you did not watch the game. On the Titans first drive, Johnson got thirty yards on three carries. The Texans made the adjustments and contained him from then on. If Kerry Collins had been able to throw accurate passes with those D-linemen in his face the Titans would've had sustained drives. Sustained drives are what the Titans are built on. They are not a team used to playing without a lead. The problem wasn't Fisher, it was Collins.

 

[Lobary]

I obviously didn't see the defensive game film but I'd guess that Houston was putting 9 in the box which led the Titans to pass the ball more frequently. The problem was that Collins couldn't hit the broad side of a barn yesterday, he was awful and lost them the game.

This guy didn't even see the game and he's smart enough to figure it out. This is exactly correct. The Texans defensive front did an exceptional job against the run yesterday and put the Titans in multiple passing situations on third down.

They did, and while CJ had a 5 ypc, he had a lot of plays for little to no gain.

Also, the Texans forced four three-and-outs for the Titans. Of the Titans' fourteen third down situations, the Texans defense put them in 3rd-and-8 or longer nine times.

 

[Black]

Could be that Fisher is trying to scale back a bit and not to overuse CJ too much in the regular season and have him fresh for the playoffs. He has had a pretty robust 235 carries so far this year.

Sure, now he gets to try to win home field advantage against PIT, instead of HOU. Good luck with that.

 

[munchkin]

color me crazy, but it seemed to me that Fisher didn't care too much about winning this game.

he tried things like throwing deep more often than he will when it counts, didn't take a high % play or FG

I'm probably wrong and I'm sure I'll be chided for thinking it, but I never got the feeling while watching yesterday that he was completely focused on winning this game.

Yeah, that was probably it. Coaches and players aren't paid to win games. He was probably focused on his wife's Christmas wish list. I bet she doesn't have playoff home field advantage on there.I get it, when your QB is awful that is the time to go to him more often. If your RB is putting up over 6ypc you put him on the bench. Best coach in football, I don't think so. He's not even the best coach in the Division; maybe next year after Dungy retires.

sometimes it's more important to develop your team and see what they can do rather than do whatever it takes to win this one game. Fisher is a lot better coach than Dungy, very few people would argue your side here. After they beat Pittsburgh, we'll see how you change your tune, if you're around.

If that is what he was doing yesterday what did he develop? What did the passing game show you that you didn't know after 13 games? The receivers are inconsistent and the QB is average at best. Johnson has been part of that inconsistency in the passing game from what I can tell. Why not try to get him the ball in space a little bit and build his confidence if you want to develop the team's supposed best skill player.We'll see if the Titans can beat Pittsburgh; we know the Colts can.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Could be that Fisher is trying to scale back a bit and not to overuse CJ too much in the regular season and have him fresh for the playoffs. He has had a pretty robust 235 carries so far this year.

Sure, now he gets to try to win home field advantage against PIT, instead of HOU. Good luck with that.

I agree. Sucks too. One of the reasons I started CJ3 yesterday was I figured they would go all out to try and secure homefield. Boy was that a stupid assumption on my part.

 

[Da Guru]

I still do not understand passing up a 48 yard FG for the win.

Bironis is more than capable.

 

[munchkin]

I still do not understand passing up a 48 yard FG for the win.Bironis is more than capable.

I do know that the wind was swirling around during the game. Fisher commented on that in the post game as well.If this team can't run run on a defense ranked 24th against the run (a team that prides itself on running) or pass on a defense ranked 18th then what are they going to do from here on out? If you can't impose your will on a team you go no-where in the playoffs. This team can play some defense but they had better find an offensive identity or they will be out of it quickly.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I still do not understand passing up a 48 yard FG for the win.Bironis is more than capable.

<_< I thought that was curious, considering Bironas hit a 60 yarder to win in 2006. He also set the NFL record of 8 FGs at Reliant Stadium last year, including a 51 yarder. Wind or no wind, Bironas has a good feel in that place. Fisher said this on the subject:

“It was not within his range,” Fisher said. “I knew exactly what his range was. That’s why we went for it on fourth down. It was not a good coaching decision.”“I know he was about 5 yards outside his range,” Fisher said. “He made attempts before the game and couldn’t get them close.”“I thought I was going to kick it, but it was a coaching decision,” Bironas said. “There was a decent breeze out there.”

I'm not quite clear on what the "not good coaching decision" was. Not kicking? The play call?Another thing we should be maligning is A) the choice to throw a long pass instead of a high percentage play on 4th and 3, and B) trusting McCareins with that target. Kerry Collins had probably his worst game of the year yesterday. Not exactly what you want going into a matchup against the #1 defense vs. the pass.

 

[Novice2]

They just wanted the Texans to get a worse draft pick.

 

[CalBear]

“It was not within his range,” Fisher said. “I knew exactly what his range was. That’s why we went for it on fourth down. It was not a good coaching decision.”“I know he was about 5 yards outside his range,” Fisher said. “He made attempts before the game and couldn’t get them close.”“I thought I was going to kick it, but it was a coaching decision,” Bironas said. “There was a decent breeze out there.”

I'm not quite clear on what the "not good coaching decision" was. Not kicking? The play call?

I saw that interview; he was saying that it wouldn't have been a good coaching decision to go for the FG.

 

[KingEl]

“It was not within his range,” Fisher said. “I knew exactly what his range was. That’s why we went for it on fourth down. It was not a good coaching decision.”“I know he was about 5 yards outside his range,” Fisher said. “He made attempts before the game and couldn’t get them close.”“I thought I was going to kick it, but it was a coaching decision,” Bironas said. “There was a decent breeze out there.”

I'm not quite clear on what the "not good coaching decision" was. Not kicking? The play call?

I saw that interview; he was saying that it wouldn't have been a good coaching decision to go for the FG.

I'm totally confused by some of the above quotes- and wonder if Bironas is being sarcastic about the "breeze" .. ummm, weren't they in a dome? There is no breeze...........2nd. A 48yder is out of his range!! Bironas has one of the strongest legs in the game and has made multiple 50+ yarders--- including a 51 yarder in the same game!!! This is crazy.....He certainly had a better chance of converting a 48 yd fg than Tenn getting the 1st down.. If he misses, Houston gets the ball back and Tenn has to stop them--- the same outcome as if they don't get the 1st down which was the poor bet...

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I'm totally confused by some of the above quotes- and wonder if Bironas is being sarcastic about the "breeze" .. ummm, weren't they in a dome? There is no breeze...........

Houston has a retractable roof which has been locked into the retracted position since the Hurricane went through. Thus it is open to wind.

 

[puckalicious]

“It was not within his range,” Fisher said. “I knew exactly what his range was. That’s why we went for it on fourth down. It was not a good coaching decision.”

“I know he was about 5 yards outside his range,” Fisher said. “He made attempts before the game and couldn’t get them close.”

“I thought I was going to kick it, but it was a coaching decision,” Bironas said. “There was a decent breeze out there.”

I'm not quite clear on what the "not good coaching decision" was. Not kicking? The play call?

I saw that interview; he was saying that it wouldn't have been a good coaching decision to go for the FG.

I'm totally confused by some of the above quotes- and wonder if Bironas is being sarcastic about the "breeze" .. ummm, weren't they in a dome? There is no breeze...........2nd. A 48yder is out of his range!! Bironas has one of the strongest legs in the game and has made multiple 50+ yarders--- including a 51 yarder in the same game!!! This is crazy.....

He certainly had a better chance of converting a 48 yd fg than Tenn getting the 1st down.. If he misses, Houston gets the ball back and Tenn has to stop them--- the same outcome as if they don't get the 1st down which was the poor bet...

How can Fisher say this with a straight face? What a moron.

 

[munchkin]

This from Football Outsiders breakdown of yesterday's game; (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/audibles/2008/audibles-line-week-15)

Vince Verhei: Watching the Tennessee wide receivers do battle with the Houston defensive backs was like watching a manatee fight a grouper to the death. On land. The Titans began the assault with a series of dropped passes and fumbles. The Texans countered with sloppy coverage. Up 10-3 with five seconds to go in the first half, Nick Ferguson was called for a 36-yard pass interference penalty on Justin Gage; the Titans kicked a field goal on the next play. Even when the Titans' receivers made a big play, they did it without catching the ball.

Incidentally, that field goal left Tennessee kicking off, down 10-6, with two seconds on the clock. They kicked onside, and somehow managed to recover with one second remaining. And then they took a knee. So what was the point of the onside kick then?!

The coaching gets weirder. The Titans never trailed by more than four points in the fourth quarter, and yet in the fourth, they ran 15 pass plays (including a Kerry Collins scramble) and only five rushes. Why so pass-wacky?

Finally, the Titans had a fourth-and-3 at the Houston 32 and turned down the field-goal attempt. (Jeff Fisher said after the game that he didn't trust Rob Bironas to kick a 50-yard field goal into the wind.) So they go for it. That decision is reasonable. However, the play they ran ... a fade pattern to Justin McCareins? You only needed three yards; wouldn't a Chris Johnson run have been a better bet? (It was the first play after the two-minute warning, and the Titans still had all three timeouts, so the clock was not an issue.)

 

[Ice Cream Man]

RE: touches. The Texans couldn't really stop the run (CJ was 13 for 65), and TEN was never far behind in the game, so abandoning the run is very peculiar. If they were putting 8 or 9 in the box it didn't show.

I take it you did not watch the game. On the Titans first drive, Johnson got thirty yards on three carries. The Texans made the adjustments and contained him from then on. If Kerry Collins had been able to throw accurate passes with those D-linemen in his face the Titans would've had sustained drives. Sustained drives are what the Titans are built on. They are not a team used to playing without a lead. The problem wasn't Fisher, it was Collins.

Actually it was 29. So that means he went 10 for 36 the rest of the game. Forget for the moment that tossing out some of his best runs is statistically misleading, you abandon running CJ whose averaging 3.6 yards a carry once the other team has "adjusted"? If they ran it 10 more times it would have worn down the defense. That is titan ball. They mysteriously got away from it, and they lost.

 

[Lobary]

This from Football Outsiders breakdown of yesterday's game; (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/audibles/2008/audibles-line-week-15)

Vince Verhei: Watching the Tennessee wide receivers do battle with the Houston defensive backs was like watching a manatee fight a grouper to the death. On land. The Titans began the assault with a series of dropped passes and fumbles. The Texans countered with sloppy coverage. Up 10-3 with five seconds to go in the first half, Nick Ferguson was called for a 36-yard pass interference penalty on Justin Gage; the Titans kicked a field goal on the next play. Even when the Titans' receivers made a big play, they did it without catching the ball.

Incidentally, that field goal left Tennessee kicking off, down 10-6, with two seconds on the clock. They kicked onside, and somehow managed to recover with one second remaining. And then they took a knee. So what was the point of the onside kick then?!

Pretty simple, Vince. Fisher didn't want Andre Davis to have the chance for a big return. He even addressed this in his postgame remarks.(on the if onside kick was a surprise) “It was not a surprise onside kick. It was a kick that we didn’t want lateraled around with both returners back there. So we were going to kick it 11 yards; they pick it up, half is over. I was surprised we got it, but it was not a surprise onside kick.”

 

[Lobary]

RE: touches. The Texans couldn't really stop the run (CJ was 13 for 65), and TEN was never far behind in the game, so abandoning the run is very peculiar. If they were putting 8 or 9 in the box it didn't show.

I take it you did not watch the game. On the Titans first drive, Johnson got thirty yards on three carries. The Texans made the adjustments and contained him from then on. If Kerry Collins had been able to throw accurate passes with those D-linemen in his face the Titans would've had sustained drives. Sustained drives are what the Titans are built on. They are not a team used to playing without a lead. The problem wasn't Fisher, it was Collins.

Actually it was 29. So that means he went 10 for 36 the rest of the game. Forget for the moment that tossing out some of his best runs is statistically misleading, you abandon running CJ whose averaging 3.6 yards a carry once the other team has "adjusted"? If they ran it 10 more times it would have worn down the defense. That is titan ball. They mysteriously got away from it, and they lost.

Worn down the defense??? How? The Texans were loading the box and stuffing the run to put them in passing situations. As a fellow CJ3 owner, I understand your frustration about his lack of touches, but it's clear you didn't actually watch this game or else you'd understand why the game shook out as it did.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

RE: touches. The Texans couldn't really stop the run (CJ was 13 for 65), and TEN was never far behind in the game, so abandoning the run is very peculiar. If they were putting 8 or 9 in the box it didn't show.

I take it you did not watch the game. On the Titans first drive, Johnson got thirty yards on three carries. The Texans made the adjustments and contained him from then on. If Kerry Collins had been able to throw accurate passes with those D-linemen in his face the Titans would've had sustained drives. Sustained drives are what the Titans are built on. They are not a team used to playing without a lead. The problem wasn't Fisher, it was Collins.

Actually it was 29. So that means he went 10 for 36 the rest of the game. Forget for the moment that tossing out some of his best runs is statistically misleading, you abandon running CJ whose averaging 3.6 yards a carry once the other team has "adjusted"? If they ran it 10 more times it would have worn down the defense. That is titan ball. They mysteriously got away from it, and they lost.

Worn down the defense??? How? The Texans were loading the box and stuffing the run to put them in passing situations. As a fellow CJ3 owner, I understand your frustration about his lack of touches, but it's clear you didn't actually watch this game or else you'd understand why the game shook out as it did.

Every team loads the box against them, that doesn't mean it's effective. TEN has run over a lot of teams by sticking with the run because, at some point, it wears the other team down. Sure.. if the team isn't getting even 2 YPC or something, then fine... move away from it, as they did against CHI as a recent example. But 4.2 YPC as a team?? 4.2 YPC when the other team is loading up against the run is precisely why they should have kept to it. The play calling was unforgivable.

And no, I didn't start CJ so I don't have a fantasy axe to grind.

 

[FUBAR]

color me crazy, but it seemed to me that Fisher didn't care too much about winning this game.

he tried things like throwing deep more often than he will when it counts, didn't take a high % play or FG

I'm probably wrong and I'm sure I'll be chided for thinking it, but I never got the feeling while watching yesterday that he was completely focused on winning this game.

Yeah, that was probably it. Coaches and players aren't paid to win games. He was probably focused on his wife's Christmas wish list. I bet she doesn't have playoff home field advantage on there.I get it, when your QB is awful that is the time to go to him more often. If your RB is putting up over 6ypc you put him on the bench. Best coach in football, I don't think so. He's not even the best coach in the Division; maybe next year after Dungy retires.

sometimes it's more important to develop your team and see what they can do rather than do whatever it takes to win this one game. Fisher is a lot better coach than Dungy, very few people would argue your side here. After they beat Pittsburgh, we'll see how you change your tune, if you're around.

If that is what he was doing yesterday what did he develop? What did the passing game show you that you didn't know after 13 games? The receivers are inconsistent and the QB is average at best. Johnson has been part of that inconsistency in the passing game from what I can tell. Why not try to get him the ball in space a little bit and build his confidence if you want to develop the team's supposed best skill player.We'll see if the Titans can beat Pittsburgh; we know the Colts can.

It didn't show me anything, but he may have been trying to send the message to the rest of the league that they aren't afraid to throw, which would get smash and dash more running room. They failed in that attempt, but if Collins had been effective, coaching against them becomes more difficult. I just had the feeling throughout the game that Fisher was treating this like a pre-season game. The team didn't have the fire I've come to expect.

 

[munchkin]

color me crazy, but it seemed to me that Fisher didn't care too much about winning this game.

he tried things like throwing deep more often than he will when it counts, didn't take a high % play or FG

I'm probably wrong and I'm sure I'll be chided for thinking it, but I never got the feeling while watching yesterday that he was completely focused on winning this game.

Yeah, that was probably it. Coaches and players aren't paid to win games. He was probably focused on his wife's Christmas wish list. I bet she doesn't have playoff home field advantage on there.I get it, when your QB is awful that is the time to go to him more often. If your RB is putting up over 6ypc you put him on the bench. Best coach in football, I don't think so. He's not even the best coach in the Division; maybe next year after Dungy retires.

sometimes it's more important to develop your team and see what they can do rather than do whatever it takes to win this one game. Fisher is a lot better coach than Dungy, very few people would argue your side here. After they beat Pittsburgh, we'll see how you change your tune, if you're around.

If that is what he was doing yesterday what did he develop? What did the passing game show you that you didn't know after 13 games? The receivers are inconsistent and the QB is average at best. Johnson has been part of that inconsistency in the passing game from what I can tell. Why not try to get him the ball in space a little bit and build his confidence if you want to develop the team's supposed best skill player.We'll see if the Titans can beat Pittsburgh; we know the Colts can.

It didn't show me anything, but he may have been trying to send the message to the rest of the league that they aren't afraid to throw, which would get smash and dash more running room. They failed in that attempt, but if Collins had been effective, coaching against them becomes more difficult. I just had the feeling throughout the game that Fisher was treating this like a pre-season game. The team didn't have the fire I've come to expect.

I am sure the Season Ticket Holders will be happy to hear about that; at least it wasn't a home game.So what Fisher is saying to other teams is that no matter how bad your defense is if you put 8-9 in the box we will go away from the run and try to throw even if it is unsuccessful? Sounds like a solid coaching move to me.

 

[FUBAR]

color me crazy, but it seemed to me that Fisher didn't care too much about winning this game.

he tried things like throwing deep more often than he will when it counts, didn't take a high % play or FG

I'm probably wrong and I'm sure I'll be chided for thinking it, but I never got the feeling while watching yesterday that he was completely focused on winning this game.

Yeah, that was probably it. Coaches and players aren't paid to win games. He was probably focused on his wife's Christmas wish list. I bet she doesn't have playoff home field advantage on there.I get it, when your QB is awful that is the time to go to him more often. If your RB is putting up over 6ypc you put him on the bench. Best coach in football, I don't think so. He's not even the best coach in the Division; maybe next year after Dungy retires.

sometimes it's more important to develop your team and see what they can do rather than do whatever it takes to win this one game. Fisher is a lot better coach than Dungy, very few people would argue your side here. After they beat Pittsburgh, we'll see how you change your tune, if you're around.

If that is what he was doing yesterday what did he develop? What did the passing game show you that you didn't know after 13 games? The receivers are inconsistent and the QB is average at best. Johnson has been part of that inconsistency in the passing game from what I can tell. Why not try to get him the ball in space a little bit and build his confidence if you want to develop the team's supposed best skill player.We'll see if the Titans can beat Pittsburgh; we know the Colts can.

It didn't show me anything, but he may have been trying to send the message to the rest of the league that they aren't afraid to throw, which would get smash and dash more running room. They failed in that attempt, but if Collins had been effective, coaching against them becomes more difficult. I just had the feeling throughout the game that Fisher was treating this like a pre-season game. The team didn't have the fire I've come to expect.

I am sure the Season Ticket Holders will be happy to hear about that; at least it wasn't a home game.So what Fisher is saying to other teams is that no matter how bad your defense is if you put 8-9 in the box we will go away from the run and try to throw even if it is unsuccessful? Sounds like a solid coaching move to me.

I was a little slow to pick it up before, but now I know you're

 

[mozzy84]

“It was not within his range,” Fisher said. “I knew exactly what his range was. That’s why we went for it on fourth down. It was not a good coaching decision.”

“I know he was about 5 yards outside his range,” Fisher said. “He made attempts before the game and couldn’t get them close.”

“I thought I was going to kick it, but it was a coaching decision,” Bironas said. “There was a decent breeze out there.”

I'm not quite clear on what the "not good coaching decision" was. Not kicking? The play call?

I saw that interview; he was saying that it wouldn't have been a good coaching decision to go for the FG.

I'm totally confused by some of the above quotes- and wonder if Bironas is being sarcastic about the "breeze" .. ummm, weren't they in a dome? There is no breeze...........2nd. A 48yder is out of his range!! Bironas has one of the strongest legs in the game and has made multiple 50+ yarders--- including a 51 yarder in the same game!!! This is crazy.....

He certainly had a better chance of converting a 48 yd fg than Tenn getting the 1st down.. If he misses, Houston gets the ball back and Tenn has to stop them--- the same outcome as if they don't get the 1st down which was the poor bet...

How can Fisher say this with a straight face? What a moron.

opposite end of the field they were saying, he wasn't getting them there in warmups on that end supposedly.

 

[Banger]

RE: touches. The Texans couldn't really stop the run (CJ was 13 for 65), and TEN was never far behind in the game, so abandoning the run is very peculiar. If they were putting 8 or 9 in the box it didn't show.

I take it you did not watch the game. On the Titans first drive, Johnson got thirty yards on three carries. The Texans made the adjustments and contained him from then on. If Kerry Collins had been able to throw accurate passes with those D-linemen in his face the Titans would've had sustained drives. Sustained drives are what the Titans are built on. They are not a team used to playing without a lead. The problem wasn't Fisher, it was Collins.

Actually it was 29. So that means he went 10 for 36 the rest of the game. Forget for the moment that tossing out some of his best runs is statistically misleading, you abandon running CJ whose averaging 3.6 yards a carry once the other team has "adjusted"? If they ran it 10 more times it would have worn down the defense. That is titan ball. They mysteriously got away from it, and they lost.

Worn down the defense??? How? The Texans were loading the box and stuffing the run to put them in passing situations. As a fellow CJ3 owner, I understand your frustration about his lack of touches, but it's clear you didn't actually watch this game or else you'd understand why the game shook out as it did.

Every team loads the box against them, that doesn't mean it's effective. TEN has run over a lot of teams by sticking with the run because, at some point, it wears the other team down. Sure.. if the team isn't getting even 2 YPC or something, then fine... move away from it, as they did against CHI as a recent example. But 4.2 YPC as a team?? 4.2 YPC when the other team is loading up against the run is precisely why they should have kept to it. The play calling was unforgivable.

And no, I didn't start CJ so I don't have a fantasy axe to grind.

the problem was that Collins couldn't complete an open pass yesterday. When teams stack the box you still need to be able to pick up 1st downs and they couldn't do it. So after the 1st two series it was essentially, CJ run (-1 yards), 2nd and 11 - incomplete pass, 3rd and 11 (screen pass for 3 yards/missed pass to TE/etc.).

 

[Lobary]

RE: touches. The Texans couldn't really stop the run (CJ was 13 for 65), and TEN was never far behind in the game, so abandoning the run is very peculiar. If they were putting 8 or 9 in the box it didn't show.

I take it you did not watch the game. On the Titans first drive, Johnson got thirty yards on three carries. The Texans made the adjustments and contained him from then on. If Kerry Collins had been able to throw accurate passes with those D-linemen in his face the Titans would've had sustained drives. Sustained drives are what the Titans are built on. They are not a team used to playing without a lead. The problem wasn't Fisher, it was Collins.

Actually it was 29. So that means he went 10 for 36 the rest of the game. Forget for the moment that tossing out some of his best runs is statistically misleading, you abandon running CJ whose averaging 3.6 yards a carry once the other team has "adjusted"? If they ran it 10 more times it would have worn down the defense. That is titan ball. They mysteriously got away from it, and they lost.

Worn down the defense??? How? The Texans were loading the box and stuffing the run to put them in passing situations. As a fellow CJ3 owner, I understand your frustration about his lack of touches, but it's clear you didn't actually watch this game or else you'd understand why the game shook out as it did.

Every team loads the box against them, that doesn't mean it's effective. TEN has run over a lot of teams by sticking with the run because, at some point, it wears the other team down. Sure.. if the team isn't getting even 2 YPC or something, then fine... move away from it, as they did against CHI as a recent example. But 4.2 YPC as a team?? 4.2 YPC when the other team is loading up against the run is precisely why they should have kept to it. The play calling was unforgivable.

And no, I didn't start CJ so I don't have a fantasy axe to grind.

the problem was that Collins couldn't complete an open pass yesterday. When teams stack the box you still need to be able to pick up 1st downs and they couldn't do it. So after the 1st two series it was essentially, CJ run (-1 yards), 2nd and 11 - incomplete pass, 3rd and 11 (screen pass for 3 yards/missed pass to TE/etc.).

^B-I-N-G-O^This 4.2 ypc talk is without context. At the risk of repeating myself, the Titans got about one-third of their total rushing yardage on three plays on their first drive of the game. Three rushes, 29 yards, 9.67 ypc. Subsequently, the Titans rushed for 71 yards on 21 carries for a whopping 3.38 ypc.

Fisher's play selection wasn't the reason Chris Johnson didn't have a big game. Blame Kerry Collins.

 

[switz]

Why doesn't Jeff Fisher trust Crazy Legs? Why would you put the ball in the hands of your most dynamic player only 13 times? I tuned into the Houston feed on Sirius radio in the 2nd quarter after one of CJ's runs (for some reason the Titans don't broadcast over Sirius) to hear the broadcasts wetting themselves over what a great back Johnson was. Dynamic, potential game changer, speed, great college player' you'd have thought it was CJ's agent talking not the opposing team's play-by-play announcer. That was the 24th ranked run defense they went up against yesterday. CJ had what, 65 yards on 11 carries? The more the Titans tried to throw the ball the more out of sync they got. In a word, AWFUL. Slaton got the ball 24 time for 100 yards on the ground with another 3 for 15 in the air. I know he had the one long gainer late but isn't that what CJ is supposed to provide. Does CJ have a bonus provision in his contract if he wins Offensive Rookie of the Year that the team doesn't want to pay?

Haven't the Titans clinched a playoff game? Do you think that has something to do with it?

 

[Lobary]

The Titans still have a significant reward to play for--home field throughout. The loss to the Texans puts the Steelers in position to take control of home field with a win Sunday against the Titans at Tennessee.

 

[munchkin]

RE: touches. The Texans couldn't really stop the run (CJ was 13 for 65), and TEN was never far behind in the game, so abandoning the run is very peculiar. If they were putting 8 or 9 in the box it didn't show.

I take it you did not watch the game. On the Titans first drive, Johnson got thirty yards on three carries. The Texans made the adjustments and contained him from then on. If Kerry Collins had been able to throw accurate passes with those D-linemen in his face the Titans would've had sustained drives. Sustained drives are what the Titans are built on. They are not a team used to playing without a lead. The problem wasn't Fisher, it was Collins.

Actually it was 29. So that means he went 10 for 36 the rest of the game. Forget for the moment that tossing out some of his best runs is statistically misleading, you abandon running CJ whose averaging 3.6 yards a carry once the other team has "adjusted"? If they ran it 10 more times it would have worn down the defense. That is titan ball. They mysteriously got away from it, and they lost.

Worn down the defense??? How? The Texans were loading the box and stuffing the run to put them in passing situations. As a fellow CJ3 owner, I understand your frustration about his lack of touches, but it's clear you didn't actually watch this game or else you'd understand why the game shook out as it did.

Every team loads the box against them, that doesn't mean it's effective. TEN has run over a lot of teams by sticking with the run because, at some point, it wears the other team down. Sure.. if the team isn't getting even 2 YPC or something, then fine... move away from it, as they did against CHI as a recent example. But 4.2 YPC as a team?? 4.2 YPC when the other team is loading up against the run is precisely why they should have kept to it. The play calling was unforgivable.

And no, I didn't start CJ so I don't have a fantasy axe to grind.

the problem was that Collins couldn't complete an open pass yesterday. When teams stack the box you still need to be able to pick up 1st downs and they couldn't do it. So after the 1st two series it was essentially, CJ run (-1 yards), 2nd and 11 - incomplete pass, 3rd and 11 (screen pass for 3 yards/missed pass to TE/etc.).

^B-I-N-G-O^This 4.2 ypc talk is without context. At the risk of repeating myself, the Titans got about one-third of their total rushing yardage on three plays on their first drive of the game. Three rushes, 29 yards, 9.67 ypc. Subsequently, the Titans rushed for 71 yards on 21 carries for a whopping 3.38 ypc.

Fisher's play selection wasn't the reason Chris Johnson didn't have a big game. Blame Kerry Collins.

That puts it in to context, thanks. The Titans offensive line isn't good enough to move the 24th ranked defense off the line and/or their coach doesn't want them to so they can explore other options. The Titans lost the game. They did nothing on offense. They play the Steelers and Indy in the last two games. Is the coaching staff hoping to go into the playoffs on a three game losing streak demoralized and without a firm understanding of who they are? Fisher better not let this team slip away. With Haynesworth possibly out they need to find a way to win games.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

RE: touches. The Texans couldn't really stop the run (CJ was 13 for 65), and TEN was never far behind in the game, so abandoning the run is very peculiar. If they were putting 8 or 9 in the box it didn't show.

I take it you did not watch the game. On the Titans first drive, Johnson got thirty yards on three carries. The Texans made the adjustments and contained him from then on. If Kerry Collins had been able to throw accurate passes with those D-linemen in his face the Titans would've had sustained drives. Sustained drives are what the Titans are built on. They are not a team used to playing without a lead. The problem wasn't Fisher, it was Collins.

Actually it was 29. So that means he went 10 for 36 the rest of the game. Forget for the moment that tossing out some of his best runs is statistically misleading, you abandon running CJ whose averaging 3.6 yards a carry once the other team has "adjusted"? If they ran it 10 more times it would have worn down the defense. That is titan ball. They mysteriously got away from it, and they lost.

Worn down the defense??? How? The Texans were loading the box and stuffing the run to put them in passing situations. As a fellow CJ3 owner, I understand your frustration about his lack of touches, but it's clear you didn't actually watch this game or else you'd understand why the game shook out as it did.

Every team loads the box against them, that doesn't mean it's effective. TEN has run over a lot of teams by sticking with the run because, at some point, it wears the other team down. Sure.. if the team isn't getting even 2 YPC or something, then fine... move away from it, as they did against CHI as a recent example. But 4.2 YPC as a team?? 4.2 YPC when the other team is loading up against the run is precisely why they should have kept to it. The play calling was unforgivable.

And no, I didn't start CJ so I don't have a fantasy axe to grind.

the problem was that Collins couldn't complete an open pass yesterday. When teams stack the box you still need to be able to pick up 1st downs and they couldn't do it. So after the 1st two series it was essentially, CJ run (-1 yards), 2nd and 11 - incomplete pass, 3rd and 11 (screen pass for 3 yards/missed pass to TE/etc.).

^B-I-N-G-O^This 4.2 ypc talk is without context. At the risk of repeating myself, the Titans got about one-third of their total rushing yardage on three plays on their first drive of the game. Three rushes, 29 yards, 9.67 ypc. Subsequently, the Titans rushed for 71 yards on 21 carries for a whopping 3.38 ypc.

Fisher's play selection wasn't the reason Chris Johnson didn't have a big game. Blame Kerry Collins.

Valid point, but 3.38 is nothing to scoff at. Sure you'd like 4-5, but that's no reason to abandon it, especially with the explosiveness of CJ, and the poor performance by Collins.That said, this game was lost with the failure to kick the FG. That was ming boggling.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Why doesn't Jeff Fisher trust Crazy Legs? Why would you put the ball in the hands of your most dynamic player only 13 times? I tuned into the Houston feed on Sirius radio in the 2nd quarter after one of CJ's runs (for some reason the Titans don't broadcast over Sirius) to hear the broadcasts wetting themselves over what a great back Johnson was. Dynamic, potential game changer, speed, great college player' you'd have thought it was CJ's agent talking not the opposing team's play-by-play announcer. That was the 24th ranked run defense they went up against yesterday. CJ had what, 65 yards on 11 carries? The more the Titans tried to throw the ball the more out of sync they got. In a word, AWFUL. Slaton got the ball 24 time for 100 yards on the ground with another 3 for 15 in the air. I know he had the one long gainer late but isn't that what CJ is supposed to provide. Does CJ have a bonus provision in his contract if he wins Offensive Rookie of the Year that the team doesn't want to pay?

Haven't the Titans clinched a playoff game? Do you think that has something to do with it?

Can people please stop saying this? They could have had HFA throughout almost guaranteed. Now they need to beat PIT this weekend. And if they lose, they'll need to play @PIT in the playoffs if they each make it so far. There was a lot to play for. I think if Fisher cared he would've played CJ less v. the Lions, etc, and more v. the Texans.

 

[coachjim]

Same reason he didn't send Bironas out for a possible game winning FG.

Same thing I was thinking. Was he trying to lose this game or what.

 

[Bri]

color me crazy, but it seemed to me that Fisher didn't care too much about winning this game. he tried things like throwing deep more often than he will when it counts, didn't take a high % play or FGI'm probably wrong and I'm sure I'll be chided for thinking it, but I never got the feeling while watching yesterday that he was completely focused on winning this game.

Collins stunk but he's been good this year so I think you have to throw it out as a bad game. If he goes with Young and Young does well, that'll mess up things for this season as fans and teammates may wish Young starts next week and.....can't go to Young.(IMO) I think you saw him trying to figure out how they can get thru it.Fisher's got his eye on the prize. Whether he wins the Super or not is yet to be seen but, not that this is one of those seasons/one of those chances that coaches dream about. Getting from here to the already clinched playoffs is fairly new to Fisher(have to go look, maybe they never clinched this early) and he's probably trying to just get there. God forbid somebody gets seriously hurt or loses their confidence or picks up poor habits etc. I don't think he knows how to do this but, he's learning. The guy is top notch at everything else, he can afford to goof these last few weeks.

 

[puckalicious]

RE: touches. The Texans couldn't really stop the run (CJ was 13 for 65), and TEN was never far behind in the game, so abandoning the run is very peculiar. If they were putting 8 or 9 in the box it didn't show.

I take it you did not watch the game. On the Titans first drive, Johnson got thirty yards on three carries. The Texans made the adjustments and contained him from then on. If Kerry Collins had been able to throw accurate passes with those D-linemen in his face the Titans would've had sustained drives. Sustained drives are what the Titans are built on. They are not a team used to playing without a lead. The problem wasn't Fisher, it was Collins.

Actually it was 29. So that means he went 10 for 36 the rest of the game. Forget for the moment that tossing out some of his best runs is statistically misleading, you abandon running CJ whose averaging 3.6 yards a carry once the other team has "adjusted"? If they ran it 10 more times it would have worn down the defense. That is titan ball. They mysteriously got away from it, and they lost.

Worn down the defense??? How? The Texans were loading the box and stuffing the run to put them in passing situations. As a fellow CJ3 owner, I understand your frustration about his lack of touches, but it's clear you didn't actually watch this game or else you'd understand why the game shook out as it did.

Every team loads the box against them, that doesn't mean it's effective. TEN has run over a lot of teams by sticking with the run because, at some point, it wears the other team down. Sure.. if the team isn't getting even 2 YPC or something, then fine... move away from it, as they did against CHI as a recent example. But 4.2 YPC as a team?? 4.2 YPC when the other team is loading up against the run is precisely why they should have kept to it. The play calling was unforgivable.

And no, I didn't start CJ so I don't have a fantasy axe to grind.

the problem was that Collins couldn't complete an open pass yesterday. When teams stack the box you still need to be able to pick up 1st downs and they couldn't do it. So after the 1st two series it was essentially, CJ run (-1 yards), 2nd and 11 - incomplete pass, 3rd and 11 (screen pass for 3 yards/missed pass to TE/etc.).

4th qtr runs by CJ... (all 2 of them):1-10-HOU 33 (8:16) 28-C.Johnson left end pushed ob at HOU 20 for 13 yards (23-D.Robinson).

1-10-HOU 49 (3:47) 28-C.Johnson right tackle to HOU 44 for 5 yards (90-M.Williams).

Tell me again why CJ did not get the ball more???

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Tell me again why CJ did not get the ball more???

There are two obvious answers.1. Jeff Fisher hates fantasy football.2. Jeff Fisher hates home field advantage.Take your pick.