Jeff Fisher on NFL Total Access... (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

Jeff Fisher is on NFL Total Access, being interviewed by Drew Bennett interestingly enough, and was asked about the QB situation.

Fisher acknowledged that they tried to trade McNair during the draft weekend but a deal didn't materialize. He said it's a difficult thing to stomach thinking of McNair playing for another team; but if they're not able to get something done to keep him in Tennessee he has confidence that Billy [Volek] can step in and be highly productive.

As to Vince Young, Fisher didn't say anything surprising. He said they'll find a way to get him involved immediately but there's no set timetable for when he would be ready to take over as the team's starter.

Fisher also said he thinks Lendale White would've been a top 15 pick without the hamstring injury and he's got the potential to be a "franchise type running back for us."

 

[trader jake]

reading between the lines a bit, but doesn't it sound like vince young's timetable to play is going to be be much, much sooner than it was for mcnair when he was drafted?

 

[Chaos Commish]

reading between the lines a bit, but doesn't it sound like vince young's timetable to play is going to be be much, much sooner than it was for mcnair when he was drafted?

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I know this is contrary to almost every opinion, but I think Young will learn fastest on the field. It will be painful, but I just have a hard time seeing him gaining much on the sidelines. I agree Leinart and Cutler seem better prepared for NFL football, but they also seem more the type to learn by observing. Young is an athletic beast who is what he is. Turning him loose may be the best way to develop him. Does this make sense to anyone else?

 

[Joe Bryant]

reading between the lines a bit, but doesn't it sound like vince young's timetable to play is going to be be much, much sooner than it was for mcnair when he was drafted?

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Hi TL,Hard to say. Fisher was careful to say nothing really. Just a lot of words. He seems high on Volek even sort of needling Bennett that he knew Volek was more than capable of throwing him more TDs. But at this point, they don't really know what they have.

I think it'll all be how fast Young progresses this Summer.

J

 

[boubucarow]

reading between the lines a bit, but doesn't it sound like vince young's timetable to play is going to be be much, much sooner than it was for mcnair when he was drafted?

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I know this is contrary to almost every opinion, but I think Young will learn fastest on the field. It will be painful, but I just have a hard time seeing him gaining much on the sidelines. I agree Leinart and Cutler seem better prepared for NFL football, but they also seem more the type to learn by observing. Young is an athletic beast who is what he is. Turning him loose may be the best way to develop him. Does this make sense to anyone else?

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He was in a one read one receiver then run system at Texas for the most part. He needs to learn to go through his reads and not junk the play and run with it. It would benefit him to get enough practice time in to make additional reads second nature before he gets on the field. While it is important for most rookie qb's to learn to include more than one receiver when they read the defense, I think it is more important for athletic qb's that can find it much easier to rely on their legs.That said, there is no doubt that he is playing first sans injury.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

reading between the lines a bit, but doesn't it sound like vince young's timetable to play is going to be be much, much sooner than it was for mcnair when he was drafted?

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I know this is contrary to almost every opinion, but I think Young will learn fastest on the field. It will be painful, but I just have a hard time seeing him gaining much on the sidelines. I agree Leinart and Cutler seem better prepared for NFL football, but they also seem more the type to learn by observing. Young is an athletic beast who is what he is. Turning him loose may be the best way to develop him. Does this make sense to anyone else?

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He was in a one read one receiver then run system at Texas for the most part. He needs to learn to go through his reads and not junk the play and run with it. It would benefit him to get enough practice time in to make additional reads second nature before he gets on the field. While it is important for most rookie qb's to learn to include more than one receiver when they read the defense, I think it is more important for athletic qb's that can find it much easier to rely on their legs.That said, there is no doubt that he is playing first sans injury.

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I know this has been mentioned before but this sounds all to reminiscent of the M. Vick sega and when will he learn to progress in his reads. I think the Titans have to be very careful how they handle this situation and I think Fisher knows this as well. I don't think Fisher will throw Young to the wolves. Young should see limited action this season and will not play unless there is an injury.

 

[trader jake]

reading between the lines a bit, but doesn't it sound like vince young's timetable to play is going to be be much, much sooner than it was for mcnair when he was drafted?

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Hi TL,Hard to say. Fisher was careful to say nothing really. Just a lot of words. He seems high on Volek even sort of needling Bennett that he knew Volek was more than capable of throwing him more TDs. But at this point, they don't really know what they have.

I think it'll all be how fast Young progresses this Summer.

J

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makes sense...i'm just getting a bit concerned that there is more pressure for vince young to get on the field than there was with steve mcnair. matt leinart was widely viewed as the rookie QB who was most NFL ready - hopefully the titans do not attempt to prove something/justify the selection and put young in there before he's readyvolek is just a bridge QB (mcnair>>>young) + the titans are unlikely to have a great record = vince young playing too early? thankfully, for young's long-term development, the coaching staff is solid and doesn't have to win now

 

[Bri]

White could be a gem but so could alot of RBs. When will he get time with Henry and Brown? Will he cut Payton so he can play elsewhere or make him wait for the "surprise" cut at the end of camp? Nash is done, if he wasn't already. Calico too.

Does anyone remember the salary cap #s if the Titans cut or keep McNair? I thought they'd have to do something by June 1st or else he'd be too expensive this year.

 

[Jason Wood]

I think the more intriguing comments were Fisher's enthusiam for Lendale White. You expect a veteran coach to push Lendale by pointing out that he's got to work hard to contribute and that he's got two productive veterans ahead of him. But instead Fisher gushed about White being a "Top 15 pick" and a "franchise back."

 

[jurb26]

I think the more intriguing comments were Fisher's enthusiam for Lendale White. You expect a veteran coach to push Lendale by pointing out that he's got to work hard to contribute and that he's got two productive veterans ahead of him. But instead Fisher gushed about White being a "Top 15 pick" and a "franchise back."

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Cause he is. If White puts in the work necessary (as he did at USC), then I can't see any way possible that Brown or Henry keep him off the field for anything other than a breather.

 

[Jason Wood]

I think the more intriguing comments were Fisher's enthusiam for Lendale White. You expect a veteran coach to push Lendale by pointing out that he's got to work hard to contribute and that he's got two productive veterans ahead of him. But instead Fisher gushed about White being a "Top 15 pick" and a "franchise back."

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Cause he is. If White puts in the work necessary (as he did at USC), then I can't see any way possible that Brown or Henry keep him off the field for anything other than a breather.

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I can't see them keeping all three on the roster if White is going to be the main back; Henry would probably be the odd man out, don't you think?

 

[jurb26]

I think the more intriguing comments were Fisher's enthusiam for Lendale White. You expect a veteran coach to push Lendale by pointing out that he's got to work hard to contribute and that he's got two productive veterans ahead of him. But instead Fisher gushed about White being a "Top 15 pick" and a "franchise back."

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Cause he is. If White puts in the work necessary (as he did at USC), then I can't see any way possible that Brown or Henry keep him off the field for anything other than a breather.

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I can't see them keeping all three on the roster if White is going to be the main back; Henry would probably be the odd man out, don't you think?
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That would be my guess. Brown at least offers a nice change of pace and better Rec option.

 

[msommer]

I think the more intriguing comments were Fisher's enthusiam for Lendale White. You expect a veteran coach to push Lendale by pointing out that he's got to work hard to contribute and that he's got two productive veterans ahead of him. But instead Fisher gushed about White being a "Top 15 pick" and a "franchise back."

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Cause he is. If White puts in the work necessary (as he did at USC), then I can't see any way possible that Brown or Henry keep him off the field for anything other than a breather.

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I can't see them keeping all three on the roster if White is going to be the main back; Henry would probably be the odd man out, don't you think?
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That would be my guess. Brown at least offers a nice change of pace and better Rec option.
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I would agre with this as well but would add that no way do they cut Henry until they get White into football shape, have him learn the playbook and teach him how to pass block in the NFL. That may not be this year - depends a lot on White - but it is not impossible or even unlikely that it does happen by end of TC

 

[Joe Bryant]

I think the more intriguing comments were Fisher's enthusiam for Lendale White. You expect a veteran coach to push Lendale by pointing out that he's got to work hard to contribute and that he's got two productive veterans ahead of him. But instead Fisher gushed about White being a "Top 15 pick" and a "franchise back."

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Cause he is. If White puts in the work necessary (as he did at USC), then I can't see any way possible that Brown or Henry keep him off the field for anything other than a breather.

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I can't see them keeping all three on the roster if White is going to be the main back; Henry would probably be the odd man out, don't you think?
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I'd think so Jason. Plus he's definitely a head case. The only thing in his favor is that I don't see how the Titans could put too much faith in Brown staying healthy. But if all three are healthy, I'd think White and Brown definitely make the best tandem.J

 

[the hairy scotsman]

reading between the lines a bit, but doesn't it sound like vince young's timetable to play is going to be be much, much sooner than it was for mcnair when he was drafted?

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I know this is contrary to almost every opinion, but I think Young will learn fastest on the field. It will be painful, but I just have a hard time seeing him gaining much on the sidelines. I agree Leinart and Cutler seem better prepared for NFL football, but they also seem more the type to learn by observing. Young is an athletic beast who is what he is. Turning him loose may be the best way to develop him. Does this make sense to anyone else?

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He was in a one read one receiver then run system at Texas for the most part. He needs to learn to go through his reads and not junk the play and run with it. It would benefit him to get enough practice time in to make additional reads second nature before he gets on the field. While it is important for most rookie qb's to learn to include more than one receiver when they read the defense, I think it is more important for athletic qb's that can find it much easier to rely on their legs.That said, there is no doubt that he is playing first sans injury.

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It's amazing how someone says something, then it gets repeated on message boards, then pretty soon some people start accepting it as fact."A one read one receiver then run system at Texas "? Really? Go back and watch the game tapes and make that assertion again with a straight face. First off, most of Young's running plays this past season came out of a 3-wr set, running the zone read, where he'd read the de, then let the rb keep the ball, which was already in his midsection, or he'd pull it out and run. That, my friend, is a designed running play and was the staple of the Texas running game in '05. It's also where the vast majority of Young's running plays started.

On other occasions, Young would go through multiple reads, find nobody open, then, rather than take a sack as many qbs would have done, he'd go upfield and then ob, gaining a little or a lot...more often a lot. On rare occasions he was flushed out of mthe pocket due to pressure with similar results.

Hell, there are multiple Young TD passes this year where the receiver was the 2nd or 3rd read. The game-winner at Ohio State was drawn up to go to the TE. Young saw Thomas open, but also saw the wr Sweed with a step and chance to go big. He did, and won the game. The TD to Ramonce Taylor against OU was the third read.

Just look at the tapes and watch his head.

Until then, you are misinformed.

 

[Gatorman]

Travis henry to the fins as a replacement for ricky?

 

[LHUCKS]

Looks like Fisher watched the same USC games that I did...the ones where Lendale was a man amongst boys.

Sliding to the second round because of "character issues" was a joke.

 

[Jason Wood]

Looks like Fisher watched the same USC games that I did...the ones where Lendale Winston Justice was a man amongst boys.

Sliding to the second round because of "character issues" was a joke.

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As an Eagles fan, I hope this is FIXED

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Looks like Fisher watched the same USC games that I did...the ones where Lendale was a man amongst boys.

Sliding to the second round because of "character issues" was a joke.

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Yet you put up polls like "How long will it take until Vince Young is an average NFL qb?".Did you not see all those games where he, too, was a man amongst boys?

 

[uwillbsoon]

reading between the lines a bit, but doesn't it sound like vince young's timetable to play is going to be be much, much sooner than it was for mcnair when he was drafted?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I know this is contrary to almost every opinion, but I think Young will learn fastest on the field. It will be painful, but I just have a hard time seeing him gaining much on the sidelines. I agree Leinart and Cutler seem better prepared for NFL football, but they also seem more the type to learn by observing. Young is an athletic beast who is what he is. Turning him loose may be the best way to develop him. Does this make sense to anyone else?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

He was in a one read one receiver then run system at Texas for the most part. He needs to learn to go through his reads and not junk the play and run with it. It would benefit him to get enough practice time in to make additional reads second nature before he gets on the field. While it is important for most rookie qb's to learn to include more than one receiver when they read the defense, I think it is more important for athletic qb's that can find it much easier to rely on their legs.That said, there is no doubt that he is playing first sans injury.

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It's amazing how someone says something, then it gets repeated on message boards, then pretty soon some people start accepting it as fact."A one read one receiver then run system at Texas "? Really? Go back and watch the game tapes and make that assertion again with a straight face. First off, most of Young's running plays this past season came out of a 3-wr set, running the zone read, where he'd read the de, then let the rb keep the ball, which was already in his midsection, or he'd pull it out and run. That, my friend, is a designed running play and was the staple of the Texas running game in '05. It's also where the vast majority of Young's running plays started.

On other occasions, Young would go through multiple reads, find nobody open, then, rather than take a sack as many qbs would have done, he'd go upfield and then ob, gaining a little or a lot...more often a lot. On rare occasions he was flushed out of mthe pocket due to pressure with similar results.

Hell, there are multiple Young TD passes this year where the receiver was the 2nd or 3rd read. The game-winner at Ohio State was drawn up to go to the TE. Young saw Thomas open, but also saw the wr Sweed with a step and chance to go big. He did, and won the game. The TD to Ramonce Taylor against OU was the third read.

Just look at the tapes and watch his head.

Until then, you are misinformed.

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During the draft coverage, Jaws showed footage of a play where Young "misread" the defense. He had one-on-one coverage on the outside while there was a safety in the middle to cover the TE and the WR on the opposite side. Young stared down the TE, (all the while the single covered WR got wide open), when he wasn't open he then scrambled and threw to the single-covered WR for a TD. Jaws said it was a wrong read and he should have gone immediately to the single coverage.Who cares? It was a TD.

 

[mbuehner]

When will he get time with Henry and Brown?

When they get hurt.It does seem unlikely the Titans can keep all three on the roster though. Wouldnt they have to cut Henry by June if they dont want to pay him this year?

 

[LHUCKS]

Looks like Fisher watched the same USC games that I did...the ones where Lendale was a man amongst boys.

Sliding to the second round because of "character issues" was a joke.

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Yet you put up polls like "How long will it take until Vince Young is an average NFL qb?".Did you not see all those games where he, too, was a man amongst boys?

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I've said all along I think the guy is overvalued...until he proves he can THINK like an NFL QB I will not be sold. He wont be running around the NFL like he did against the weak Big12.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

reading between the lines a bit, but doesn't it sound like vince young's timetable to play is going to be be much, much sooner than it was for mcnair when he was drafted?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I know this is contrary to almost every opinion, but I think Young will learn fastest on the field. It will be painful, but I just have a hard time seeing him gaining much on the sidelines. I agree Leinart and Cutler seem better prepared for NFL football, but they also seem more the type to learn by observing. Young is an athletic beast who is what he is. Turning him loose may be the best way to develop him. Does this make sense to anyone else?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

He was in a one read one receiver then run system at Texas for the most part. He needs to learn to go through his reads and not junk the play and run with it. It would benefit him to get enough practice time in to make additional reads second nature before he gets on the field. While it is important for most rookie qb's to learn to include more than one receiver when they read the defense, I think it is more important for athletic qb's that can find it much easier to rely on their legs.That said, there is no doubt that he is playing first sans injury.

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It's amazing how someone says something, then it gets repeated on message boards, then pretty soon some people start accepting it as fact."A one read one receiver then run system at Texas "? Really? Go back and watch the game tapes and make that assertion again with a straight face. First off, most of Young's running plays this past season came out of a 3-wr set, running the zone read, where he'd read the de, then let the rb keep the ball, which was already in his midsection, or he'd pull it out and run. That, my friend, is a designed running play and was the staple of the Texas running game in '05. It's also where the vast majority of Young's running plays started.

On other occasions, Young would go through multiple reads, find nobody open, then, rather than take a sack as many qbs would have done, he'd go upfield and then ob, gaining a little or a lot...more often a lot. On rare occasions he was flushed out of mthe pocket due to pressure with similar results.

Hell, there are multiple Young TD passes this year where the receiver was the 2nd or 3rd read. The game-winner at Ohio State was drawn up to go to the TE. Young saw Thomas open, but also saw the wr Sweed with a step and chance to go big. He did, and won the game. The TD to Ramonce Taylor against OU was the third read.

Just look at the tapes and watch his head.

Until then, you are misinformed.

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During the draft coverage, Jaws showed footage of a play where Young "misread" the defense. He had one-on-one coverage on the outside while there was a safety in the middle to cover the TE and the WR on the opposite side. Young stared down the TE, (all the while the single covered WR got wide open), when he wasn't open he then scrambled and threw to the single-covered WR for a TD. Jaws said it was a wrong read and he should have gone immediately to the single coverage.Who cares? It was a TD.

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Exactly...and what, in all his wisdom, did Jaws say was the correct read...other than throwing a TD, I mean? (I heard about this but I didn't see it.)I also heard that in that segment they broke down another play (errantly, by all accounts from Texas OC Greg Davis, who says Young read the play exactly as he was coached) which ended unsuccessfully. What they didn't show the viewers, though is that on the very next play, Young threw a perfect third-read strike to Taylor for the TD I referenced above against OU.

...and WTF? What TF, exactly, is showing one or two plays (out of an entire season) where a qb supposedly made a bad read supposed to prove? Every qb makes bad reads along the way. The good ones correct the mistakes and come back and whip your arrrsse.

 

[uwillbsoon]

reading between the lines a bit, but doesn't it sound like vince young's timetable to play is going to be be much, much sooner than it was for mcnair when he was drafted?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I know this is contrary to almost every opinion, but I think Young will learn fastest on the field. It will be painful, but I just have a hard time seeing him gaining much on the sidelines. I agree Leinart and Cutler seem better prepared for NFL football, but they also seem more the type to learn by observing. Young is an athletic beast who is what he is. Turning him loose may be the best way to develop him. Does this make sense to anyone else?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

He was in a one read one receiver then run system at Texas for the most part. He needs to learn to go through his reads and not junk the play and run with it. It would benefit him to get enough practice time in to make additional reads second nature before he gets on the field. While it is important for most rookie qb's to learn to include more than one receiver when they read the defense, I think it is more important for athletic qb's that can find it much easier to rely on their legs.That said, there is no doubt that he is playing first sans injury.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It's amazing how someone says something, then it gets repeated on message boards, then pretty soon some people start accepting it as fact."A one read one receiver then run system at Texas "? Really? Go back and watch the game tapes and make that assertion again with a straight face. First off, most of Young's running plays this past season came out of a 3-wr set, running the zone read, where he'd read the de, then let the rb keep the ball, which was already in his midsection, or he'd pull it out and run. That, my friend, is a designed running play and was the staple of the Texas running game in '05. It's also where the vast majority of Young's running plays started.

On other occasions, Young would go through multiple reads, find nobody open, then, rather than take a sack as many qbs would have done, he'd go upfield and then ob, gaining a little or a lot...more often a lot. On rare occasions he was flushed out of mthe pocket due to pressure with similar results.

Hell, there are multiple Young TD passes this year where the receiver was the 2nd or 3rd read. The game-winner at Ohio State was drawn up to go to the TE. Young saw Thomas open, but also saw the wr Sweed with a step and chance to go big. He did, and won the game. The TD to Ramonce Taylor against OU was the third read.

Just look at the tapes and watch his head.

Until then, you are misinformed.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

During the draft coverage, Jaws showed footage of a play where Young "misread" the defense. He had one-on-one coverage on the outside while there was a safety in the middle to cover the TE and the WR on the opposite side. Young stared down the TE, (all the while the single covered WR got wide open), when he wasn't open he then scrambled and threw to the single-covered WR for a TD. Jaws said it was a wrong read and he should have gone immediately to the single coverage.Who cares? It was a TD.

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Exactly...and what, in all his wisdom, did Jaws say was the correct read...other than throwing a TD, I mean? (I heard about this but I didn't see it.)I also heard that in that segment they broke down another play (errantly, by all accounts from Texas OC Greg Davis, who says Young read the play exactly as he was coached) which ended unsuccessfully. What they didn't show the viewers, though is that on the very next play, Young threw a perfect third-read strike to Taylor for the TD I referenced above against OU.

...and WTF? What TF, exactly, is showing one or two plays (out of an entire season) where a qb supposedly made a bad read supposed to prove? Every qb makes bad reads along the way. The good ones correct the mistakes and come back and whip your arrrsse.

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Young can make up for bad reads with his athleticism. And the comparisons to Vick don't really fly with me. Vick never was an accurate passer and that's what's keeping him from being a force in the NFL. Every indication is Young is a much more accurate passer. He's also 5 inches taller than Vick, which allow him to see the field much better.

Do I think he'll be great right away? No. But he could very easily be comparable to Daunte Culpepper in a couple years. They are very similar QBs athletically and intelligence-wise in my eyes.

 

[LHUCKS]

Do I think he'll be great right away? No. But he could very easily be comparable to Daunte Culpepper in a couple years. They are very similar QBs athletically and intelligence-wise in my eyes.

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Yep, and Daunte has sucked without Moss...unfortunately for VY, he doesn't get the luxury of throwing up prayers to Moss, or having the entire secondary sway towards Moss.Good comparison, VY = Daunte - Moss = Meciocre QBs

 

[jurb26]

Young can make up for bad reads with his athleticism.

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I think people should be very careful when making assumptions like this. It hasn't really worked for Vick as much as many would have thought.

 

[LHUCKS]

Young can make up for bad reads with his athleticism.

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I think people should be very careful when making assumptions like this. It hasn't really worked for Vick as much as many would have thought.
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Daunte has got himself into some injury trouble as well because of his running around.There's a reason why Peyton Manning never gets hurt and Daunte is getting dinged all the time.

 

[H.K.]

reading between the lines a bit, but doesn't it sound like vince young's timetable to play is going to be be much, much sooner than it was for mcnair when he was drafted?

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I know this is contrary to almost every opinion, but I think Young will learn fastest on the field. It will be painful, but I just have a hard time seeing him gaining much on the sidelines. I agree Leinart and Cutler seem better prepared for NFL football, but they also seem more the type to learn by observing. Young is an athletic beast who is what he is. Turning him loose may be the best way to develop him. Does this make sense to anyone else?

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Makes perfect sense. IIRC I remember one of the things that came out of the Wonderlic fiasco is that Young would learn better by doing instead of watching. Something that has to do with him processing information by "feel" and repetition. He needs to experience things first hand instead of hearing and seeing them.

 

[-OZ-]

Do I think he'll be great right away? No. But he could very easily be comparable to Daunte Culpepper in a couple years. They are very similar QBs athletically and intelligence-wise in my eyes.

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Yep, and Daunte has sucked without Moss...unfortunately for VY, he doesn't get the luxury of throwing up prayers to Moss, or having the entire secondary sway towards Moss.Good comparison, VY = Daunte - Moss = Meciocre QBs

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I guess, but any comparison seems like a stretch to me.At least Young has a good TE to utilize, like Vick does. Troupe, while nowhere near Randy Moss, is probably a little better athletically than Alge Crumpler.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Young can make up for bad reads with his athleticism.

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I think people should be very careful when making assumptions like this. It hasn't really worked for Vick as much as many would have thought.
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jurb. That's really the foundation of the whole thing I've been on shying away from "athletic" QBs. I've seen too many guys continue to rely on their athleticism only to find they don't have nearly the athletic advantage on Sundays that they enjoyed on Saturdays.J

 

[-OZ-]

Young can make up for bad reads with his athleticism.

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I think people should be very careful when making assumptions like this. It hasn't really worked for Vick as much as many would have thought.
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jurb. That's really the foundation of the whole thing I've been on shying away from "athletic" QBs. I've seen too many guys continue to rely on their athleticism only to find they don't have nearly the athletic advantage on Sundays that they enjoyed on Saturdays.J

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That's very true, but I'm not sure how a record .500 or better every year he's played the majority of the games means it isn't working for Vick.

 

[jurb26]

Young can make up for bad reads with his athleticism.

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I think people should be very careful when making assumptions like this. It hasn't really worked for Vick as much as many would have thought.
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jurb. That's really the foundation of the whole thing I've been on shying away from "athletic" QBs. I've seen too many guys continue to rely on their athleticism only to find they don't have nearly the athletic advantage on Sundays that they enjoyed on Saturdays.J

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I agree, Joe. I think having all that athletic ability can a lot of times be a curse for QBs. When plays break down they are so used to being able to just "create" on their own that they begin to get tunnel vision and forget that the ideal thing is to deliver the ball down field. I'm not saying that they should never run. Smart QBs however know when to pick and choose those battle on the ground. I think Big Ben is incredible at this to site an example.

 

[-OZ-]

Young can make up for bad reads with his athleticism.

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I think people should be very careful when making assumptions like this. It hasn't really worked for Vick as much as many would have thought.
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jurb. That's really the foundation of the whole thing I've been on shying away from "athletic" QBs. I've seen too many guys continue to rely on their athleticism only to find they don't have nearly the athletic advantage on Sundays that they enjoyed on Saturdays.J

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I agree, Joe. I think having all that athletic ability can a lot of times be a curse for QBs. When plays break down they are so used to being able to just "create" on their own that they begin to get tunnel vision and forget that the ideal thing is to deliver the ball down field. I'm not saying that they should never run. Smart QBs however know when to pick and choose those battle on the ground. I think Big Ben is incredible at this to site an example.
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None better at this than Steve Young IMO.

 

[jurb26]

Young can make up for bad reads with his athleticism.

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I think people should be very careful when making assumptions like this. It hasn't really worked for Vick as much as many would have thought.
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jurb. That's really the foundation of the whole thing I've been on shying away from "athletic" QBs. I've seen too many guys continue to rely on their athleticism only to find they don't have nearly the athletic advantage on Sundays that they enjoyed on Saturdays.J

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I agree, Joe. I think having all that athletic ability can a lot of times be a curse for QBs. When plays break down they are so used to being able to just "create" on their own that they begin to get tunnel vision and forget that the ideal thing is to deliver the ball down field. I'm not saying that they should never run. Smart QBs however know when to pick and choose those battle on the ground. I think Big Ben is incredible at this to site an example.
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None better at this than Steve Young IMO.
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Indeed.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Young can make up for bad reads with his athleticism.

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I think people should be very careful when making assumptions like this. It hasn't really worked for Vick as much as many would have thought.
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jurb. That's really the foundation of the whole thing I've been on shying away from "athletic" QBs. I've seen too many guys continue to rely on their athleticism only to find they don't have nearly the athletic advantage on Sundays that they enjoyed on Saturdays.J

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I agree, Joe. I think having all that athletic ability can a lot of times be a curse for QBs. When plays break down they are so used to being able to just "create" on their own that they begin to get tunnel vision and forget that the ideal thing is to deliver the ball down field. I'm not saying that they should never run. Smart QBs however know when to pick and choose those battle on the ground. I think Big Ben is incredible at this to site an example.
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None better at this than Steve Young IMO.
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You're all right about most running qbs taking a lot of hits, of course...but...how many times have you seen Young take a big hit?He has excellent field vision and gets ob. I've seen it over and over. That said, I still say he won't try to run nearly as much in the NFL, making him that much more effective when he does take off.

 

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Young can make up for bad reads with his athleticism.

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I think people should be very careful when making assumptions like this. It hasn't really worked for Vick as much as many would have thought.
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jurb. That's really the foundation of the whole thing I've been on shying away from "athletic" QBs. I've seen too many guys continue to rely on their athleticism only to find they don't have nearly the athletic advantage on Sundays that they enjoyed on Saturdays.J

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I agree, Joe. I think having all that athletic ability can a lot of times be a curse for QBs. When plays break down they are so used to being able to just "create" on their own that they begin to get tunnel vision and forget that the ideal thing is to deliver the ball down field. I'm not saying that they should never run. Smart QBs however know when to pick and choose those battle on the ground. I think Big Ben is incredible at this to site an example.
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None better at this than Steve Young IMO.
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You're all right about most running qbs taking a lot of hits, of course...but...how many times have you seen Young take a big hit?He has excellent field vision and gets ob. I've seen it over and over. That said, I still say he won't try to run nearly as much in the NFL, making him that much more effective when he does take off.

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I hope, and think, that you're right.As much as I like the Big XII, you really can't compare the vision it takes to dominate the XII to the vision it will take to dominate the NFL.

The Rose Bowl, both years, helped show his potential. Sky is the limit. Below average is the floor.

If VY has the success Vick has, Adams will be pleased.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

you really can't compare the vision it takes to dominate the XII to the vision it will take to dominate the NFL.

No, you can't compare the vision it would take to do well in any college conference to the vision it would take to do well in the NFL.What you can do, however, is compare his vision to other qbs who run well, and compare how many hits, esp big ones, those qbs take.

 

[mbuehner]

You're all right about most running qbs taking a lot of hits, of course...but...how many times have you seen Young take a big hit?

How many times was he being stalked by Dwight Freeney and Cato June?

 

[the hairy scotsman]

You're all right about most running qbs taking a lot of hits, of course...but...how many times have you seen Young take a big hit?

How many times was he being stalked by Dwight Freeney and Cato June?
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Everything is absolutes, right?Wrong.

I'm not saying he won't get hit in the NFL. Of course he will. He's a qb.

I'm just saying I think he won't get hit as much as most qbs who run, and when he does, he won't tend to take the big shot. Chow has said that's one of the things he likes most about Young.

 

[LHUCKS]

I'm just saying I think he won't get hit as much as most qbs who run, and when he does, he won't tend to take the big shot. Chow has said that's one of the things he likes most about Young.

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Well if you look at the successful running QBs they were all decidedly smaller than VY...Garcia, Steve Young etc. etc.We will see, but my guess is that VY is going to have to greatly enhance his pocket passing ability if he has any chance at achieving Steve Young like success.

 

[Jason Wood]

I'm just saying I think he won't get hit as much as most qbs who run, and when he does, he won't tend to take the big shot. Chow has said that's one of the things he likes most about Young.

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Well if you look at the successful running QBs they were all decidedly smaller than VY...Garcia, Steve Young etc. etc.We will see, but my guess is that VY is going to have to greatly enhance his pocket passing ability if he has any chance at achieving Steve Young like success.

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Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb and Daunte Culpepper have been, or are, successful running QBs with size.

 

[trader jake]

During the draft coverage, Jaws showed footage of a play where Young "misread" the defense. He had one-on-one coverage on the outside while there was a safety in the middle to cover the TE and the WR on the opposite side. Young stared down the TE, (all the while the single covered WR got wide open), when he wasn't open he then scrambled and threw to the single-covered WR for a TD. Jaws said it was a wrong read and he should have gone immediately to the single coverage.Who cares? It was a TD.

while i agree that you could pull a bad read from last season on every QB who played...the big picture is being missed here: vince young can not make the same decision in the NFL that he made in college and expect to be successfulwho cares? the titan fans and coaches if vince young tries to do that same thing against deangelo hall or chris mcallisterprocessing information quickly (ie, reading open receivers/making progressions) is the difference between being the next tom brady or the next rob johnson. of course young will be able to make plays with his feet that rob johnson could not but you get the pointit's also like taking a bad shot that goes in while playing basketball. just because the result was positive doesn't mean that it translates to future success if the same decision is made

 

[the hairy scotsman]

I'm just saying I think he won't get hit as much as most qbs who run, and when he does, he won't tend to take the big shot. Chow has said that's one of the things he likes most about Young.

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Well if you look at the successful running QBs they were all decidedly smaller than VY...Garcia, Steve Young etc. etc.We will see, but my guess is that VY is going to have to greatly enhance his pocket passing ability if he has any chance at achieving Steve Young like success.

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Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb and Daunte Culpepper have been, or are, successful running QBs with size.
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...and don't forget Big Ben. Staubach, whom I think VY most closely resembles in style, is 6' 3".

 

[the hairy scotsman]

while i agree that you could pull a bad read from last season on every QB who played...the big picture is being missed here: vince young can not make the same decision in the NFL that he made in college and expect to be successful

You could show plays like that for any qb, any year, and say the same thing.

 

[LHUCKS]

I'm just saying I think he won't get hit as much as most qbs who run, and when he does, he won't tend to take the big shot. Chow has said that's one of the things he likes most about Young.

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Well if you look at the successful running QBs they were all decidedly smaller than VY...Garcia, Steve Young etc. etc.We will see, but my guess is that VY is going to have to greatly enhance his pocket passing ability if he has any chance at achieving Steve Young like success.

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Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb and Daunte Culpepper have been, or are, successful running QBs with size.
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Randall - I'll give you thatDonovan - A decidely better pocket passer coming out of college than VY IMHO, and a lot smarter

Daunte - Mediocre without Moss to bail him out IMHO...I think this is the best comparison for VY.

 

[LHUCKS]

I'm just saying I think he won't get hit as much as most qbs who run, and when he does, he won't tend to take the big shot. Chow has said that's one of the things he likes most about Young.

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Well if you look at the successful running QBs they were all decidedly smaller than VY...Garcia, Steve Young etc. etc.We will see, but my guess is that VY is going to have to greatly enhance his pocket passing ability if he has any chance at achieving Steve Young like success.

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Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb and Daunte Culpepper have been, or are, successful running QBs with size.
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...and don't forget Big Ben. Staubach, whom I think VY most closely resembles in style, is 6' 3".
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Big Ben didn't rely on his running ability as much as VY and is a decidedly better passer.Staubach played in a different era when Linebackers didn't bench press 500 and run 4.4 40's.

 

[trader jake]

while i agree that you could pull a bad read from last season on every QB who played...the big picture is being missed here: vince young can not make the same decision in the NFL that he made in college and expect to be successful

You could show plays like that for any qb, any year, and say the same thing.
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matt leinart could use the same decision making process in the NFL and be successful. will he athletically/physically be able to do so? that's a different questionif vince young makes the same decisions and continues to lock into his primary receiver - then run if that player is covered...he will ultimately be unsuccessful in the NFL. that's the major question with vince young to me right now and if the titans rush him to play they are going to wreck him imo

 

[the hairy scotsman]

I'm just saying I think he won't get hit as much as most qbs who run, and when he does, he won't tend to take the big shot. Chow has said that's one of the things he likes most about Young.

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Well if you look at the successful running QBs they were all decidedly smaller than VY...Garcia, Steve Young etc. etc.We will see, but my guess is that VY is going to have to greatly enhance his pocket passing ability if he has any chance at achieving Steve Young like success.

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Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb and Daunte Culpepper have been, or are, successful running QBs with size.
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...and don't forget Big Ben. Staubach, whom I think VY most closely resembles in style, is 6' 3".
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Big Ben didn't rely on his running ability as much as VY and is a decidedly better passer.Staubach played in a different era when Linebackers didn't bench press 500 and run 4.4 40's.

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Neither did QBs. Roger was skinny. Young is 240.

Donovan...a lot smarter

What do you base this on? A wonderlich score? Or play on the field?

Big Ben didn't rely on his running ability as much

Still a big qb, considered a running qb by most.

 

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[big Ben] Still a big qb, considered a running qb by most.

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he is?

 

[trader jake]

[big ben is] Still a big qb, considered a running qb by most.

big ben has run for 213 yards on 87 attempts in his two seasons...how does this make him a mobile QB (and a valid comparison)?