Where do you guys see his ceiling. Of course, I'm not talking about this year. I'm more interested in 3 years from now after his contract with ATL is up. Does he have what it takes to be a starter?
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Darker Knight
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Banger
Footballguy
No. He can't block. What have there been, 3 or 4 different regimes since Norwood has been on the team? Every one used him in the exact same way giving him almost the same amount of carries no matter who the other RB was. The coaches know more about his capabilities to carry the load than anyone on this board and the fact that they all use him in the same manner lead me to believe that he's a situational player not an every down back.
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Ok where does his value stand for the future as compared to some other backs in the same dynasty tier like Benson, LenDale, Chris Wells, and Sproles?
Keep in mind I'm talking about future, not right now.
Keep in mind I'm talking about future, not right now.
Banger
Footballguy
If I had to rank them now I'd probably put them...WellsLenDale (he's a FA and may get a starter shot next year)Sproles BensonNorwoodJust my 2 cents...I've been off the Norwood train for years and there's nothing to indicate anything with his situation has or will change.
jwb
Footballguy
We've seen Norwood for three years now - I think we know what he is: a decent bye-week fill-in for PPR leagues, possible flex play some weeks, and little more. I don't have any faith in him getting more touches, as he has a 300-carry beast in front of him. I'd rather have Leon Washington, who I see having a higher ceiling.
If you are looking "future", in three years, Norwood will be 29.
If you are looking "future", in three years, Norwood will be 29.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
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I think the "inside the tackles thing" is what a lot of uninformed people assume. The fact is Jerious Norwood is a VERY effective runner in almost every situation. I'm not sure what's holding him back other than Turner, but isn't an inability to run between the tackles.The size thing is another aspect that is a little overblown. At 5'11, 209 pounds, his size is not ideal, but there have been and are a lot of other very successful guys right around his size and weight. He's built very much like Chis Johnson (a little heavier actually) and folks don't seem too concerned about him.All that said, I do tend to subscribe to the theory that if you haven't "done it" in three years, you probably aren't going to "do it". There are exceptions to that theory though, I wouldn't totally rule this guy out because he's a very talented guy.Oh, I almost forgot
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Todem
Footballguy
You could throw out that statistic all day at me.Bottom line is when I see him take some carries betwen the tackles he get's stuffed most of the time.When he goes in on 3rd down or 2nd and long and the defense is set in a pass zone....and he get's a well timed draw and breaks a 60 yarder his so called between the tackle run avg jumps off the page.My point is in answering the question of this thread will he ever be a starter.....a resounding NO is the answer.I can almost assure you if he got 25 carries a game and was being asked to run between the tackles on obvious running downs the guy would get stuffed 8 out of 10 times and have a YPC below 4 yards.From:I think the "inside the tackles thing" is what a lot of uninformed people assume. The fact is Jerious Norwood is a VERY effective runner in almost every situation. I'm not sure what's holding him back other than Turner, but isn't an inability to run between the tackles.The size thing is another aspect that is a little overblown. At 5'11, 209 pounds, his size is not ideal, but there have been and are a lot of other very successful guys right around his size and weight. He's built very much like Chis Johnson (a little heavier actually) and folks don't seem too concerned about him.All that said, I do tend to subscribe to the theory that if you haven't "done it" in three years, you probably aren't going to "do it". There are exceptions to that theory though, I wouldn't totally rule this guy out because he's a very talented guy.Oh, I almost forgot
WOW. I mean, I would have never guessed those were his averages running inside. Not bad. I think he's had a few REALLY long runs that has helped his average, but hey, that's part of the game.
joffer
Footballguy
From:I think the "inside the tackles thing" is what a lot of uninformed people assume. The fact is Jerious Norwood is a VERY effective runner in almost every situation. I'm not sure what's holding him back other than Turner, but isn't an inability to run between the tackles.The size thing is another aspect that is a little overblown. At 5'11, 209 pounds, his size is not ideal, but there have been and are a lot of other very successful guys right around his size and weight. He's built very much like Chis Johnson (a little heavier actually) and folks don't seem too concerned about him.All that said, I do tend to subscribe to the theory that if you haven't "done it" in three years, you probably aren't going to "do it". There are exceptions to that theory though, I wouldn't totally rule this guy out because he's a very talented guy.Oh, I almost forgot
on all accounts.his legs are skinny, and he's built more like a WR.
Todem
Footballguy
LOL ok....keep reading the Stats....I will just keep watching the games.
I like my chances wathcing a player to evaluate him then reading stats.
Norwood is a track star...and a great home run hitter.
If he were feature back material then the Falcons would have never signed Turner to that big $$ contract and went with Norwood as their bell cow.
His role on this team is clearly defined.
Believe what you want.....and don't comare Chris Johnson to Norwood. Johnson is a beast when it comes to lower and upper body stregnth. 2 different types of runners.
I like my chances wathcing a player to evaluate him then reading stats.
Norwood is a track star...and a great home run hitter.
If he were feature back material then the Falcons would have never signed Turner to that big $$ contract and went with Norwood as their bell cow.
His role on this team is clearly defined.
Believe what you want.....and don't comare Chris Johnson to Norwood. Johnson is a beast when it comes to lower and upper body stregnth. 2 different types of runners.
Darker Knight
Footballguy
6'0" 204lbs.....not small
Todem
Footballguy
I don't think size has anything to do with Norwood.
It is just plain as day that most of the time he can not handle the between the tackle type of plays unless they catch the defense off guard. I have seen him on many occasions not have the ability to get through creases when the defense is keyed on the run. If he were so good he would be the starter.
It is just plain as day that most of the time he can not handle the between the tackle type of plays unless they catch the defense off guard. I have seen him on many occasions not have the ability to get through creases when the defense is keyed on the run. If he were so good he would be the starter.
switz
Footballguy
Come on Todem, you're better than this. [code=
To further disprove your point, that 45 yarder (his longest inside carry) came on first down. In fact, he only had 14 third down carries last season.
I'm not sure what you define as "obvious running downs" but I would say the following are definitely within that definition:
1st & 10 (Norwood averages 5.6 YPC)
2nd and short (Norwood averages 5.3 YPC)
3rd and short (Norwood averages 4.3 YPC)
Argue what you want about Norwood... but arguing he is a bad inside runner is totally weak, and false. Norwood is very good running inside, he has great vision, and speed. He cuts on a dime.
The only reason Norwood isn't a full time RB is because he's sorta small, and so durability is a question. However, I would not be surprised at all if he went somewhere and played a Chris Johnson/Felix Jones type of role. Even this year, I could see his touches increase a lot.
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switz
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Apparently your eyes lie to you... I've watched Norwood for years and nothing you say about him is true.
- tell me if the defense is looking for the run and if Norwood gets stuffed - it will give the rest of us an idea of how well you "see" things.
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Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
Actually, the 3rd down thing is another common misconception. The fact is, Norwood gets the vast majority of his carries on 1st and 2nd downs, and he has been just as effective on those carries as he has been on 3rds (if not MORE effective in general), just like he has been as impressive on the inside as he has been running to the outside. He also has about 140 rushes on 1st downs and he has about 7 YPC in that situation. If those aren't obvious rushing situations, I'm not sure what are.Sorry man, assurances and "what you've seen" aside, Norwood gets stuffed less than most starting NFL backs, and breaks long runs FAR more frequently (again, in all running situations). He has 78 career rushes "up the middle" and has averaged 6.0 YPC with them. You don't do that by getting stuffed on a regular basis, and there are not THAT many huge gains in those 78 rushes. Every back gets stuffed from time to time, but Norwood is exceptionally elusive in tight quarters. I'm not he's the best goal-line option out there just due to a sheer mass limitation, but that is to be expected I would think.Again, running (and receiving) is most definitely NOT the limiting factor for Norwood. Maybe it's concern over his health, maybe it's blocking, dunno. But it ain't running.You could throw out that statistic all day at me.Bottom line is when I see him take some carries betwen the tackles he get's stuffed most of the time.When he goes in on 3rd down or 2nd and long and the defense is set in a pass zone....and he get's a well timed draw and breaks a 60 yarder his so called between the tackle run avg jumps off the page.My point is in answering the question of this thread will he ever be a starter.....a resounding NO is the answer.I can almost assure you if he got 25 carries a game and was being asked to run between the tackles on obvious running downs the guy would get stuffed 8 out of 10 times and have a YPC below 4 yards.From:I think the "inside the tackles thing" is what a lot of uninformed people assume. The fact is Jerious Norwood is a VERY effective runner in almost every situation. I'm not sure what's holding him back other than Turner, but isn't an inability to run between the tackles.The size thing is another aspect that is a little overblown. At 5'11, 209 pounds, his size is not ideal, but there have been and are a lot of other very successful guys right around his size and weight. He's built very much like Chis Johnson (a little heavier actually) and folks don't seem too concerned about him.All that said, I do tend to subscribe to the theory that if you haven't "done it" in three years, you probably aren't going to "do it". There are exceptions to that theory though, I wouldn't totally rule this guy out because he's a very talented guy.Oh, I almost forgot
PahtyTom
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Speaking of seeing guys doing the same thing for years, Benson? Really? The guy does nothing above average, and multiple things below average.And, Did I really just see "skinny legs" somewhere in this thread? LOL. Norwood is a beast, and if Turner goes down he will do big things. The guy performs on an ELITE level on a per-touch basis. He deserves the chance for an expanded role, but that is not going to happen unless Turner misses time.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
You will see skinny legs in EVERY thread that mentions Norwood. It's the thing to do. They don't look any skinnier to me than a host of other guys' legs, but something gets out there and it just sticks.
WOW. This clip makes me wonder, what can possibly be the reason why Norwood has not had a real shot at starting in this league??? Can any ATL homer chip in please?
joffer
Footballguy
hey, i love the guy, but when i look at him and then look at others of comparable height and weight, Norwood looks top-heavy to me. maybe it's an optical illusion
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future_itisnow
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While I am a supporter and fan of Jerious Norwood and really hopes he gets a chance someday to be a featured back, it is not an optical illusion...he is high-cut like a WR. He runs upright like a WR, takes somewhat long strides like a track star, etc. None of these things will necessarily prevent him from becoming a starting RB, however it is limiting his chances in the interim as he certainly does not have the proto-typical build/frame/style of a conventional NFL RB.
He may get his shot one day...and I will be watching.
He may get his shot one day...and I will be watching.
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PahtyTom
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I'm not arguing if the guy does or does not have skinny legs. I'm saying that it doesn't matter.
wolfie
Footballguy
What the video showed me is he has exceptional, vision & cutting ability. He has the the skills to be a starting rb in the NFL, but can he take the pounding. Not sure, but i would like to see him get a shot. But he doesn't need it to be the starter to make an impact.
He and Turner make a nice combo, if he could get 40-50 more touches, he would be an every week flex starter, in almost any fantasy league . Getting those touches doesn't seem to be out of the question, it's only 2.5 touches a game.
He and Turner make a nice combo, if he could get 40-50 more touches, he would be an every week flex starter, in almost any fantasy league . Getting those touches doesn't seem to be out of the question, it's only 2.5 touches a game.
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Well, I'd like to hear some logic and not just emotion or fan speek on why a guy with noticeably skinny legs could be a fulltime - up the middle more than 2 or 3 times a game starter. Small explosive backs may be great for 4 or 5 rushes a game up the middle. But, a guy with skinny legs that has a game based on explosion and not power would falter if he was relied on for 20+ carries for several games in a row.PahtyTom said:
Falcons | Norwood's touches won't increase dramatically Wed Aug 12, 02:08 PMPat Yasinskas, of ESPN.com, reports that while the Falcons want to get RB Jerious Norwood more involved, don't expect Norwood's carries to "spike dramatically". Yasinskas writes, "(Norwood) may get a few more carries and more receptions out of the backfield. But there's a fine line here because you don't want to take the ball out of Turner's hands too much."Our view: Don't reach for Norwood in your drafts. He's explosive, but his contribution is inconsistent from week to week. We're not even sure that he's the clear handcuff to Turner in case of injury, because the Falcons likely would not want to overwork the injury-prone back.
fantasyplayer
Footballguy
This.
Shawnky
Footballguy
Chris Johnson?
Shawnky
Footballguy
Wrong!Norwood is entering his 4th year in the league and has played for 2 coaches: Mora and Smith.
switz
Footballguy
Yeah... unfortunately this thread is full of people making statements that clearly show they don't know what they're talking about. Offseason
I guess we all do it at times... this thread just seems more full of it than most. 
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
That's a very strong possibility. But like I said, there are exceptions. Tiki Barber was a part-timer for about 5 years, until the Giants decided "Screw it, he's our best back and if we want to win, we should give him the ball." Deangelo Williams was part-time back for two years (maybe still is), but when he got his shot, he tore it up.I don't expect Norwood to displace Turner. But I do think it's POSSIBLE that if he ever does get a shot, he could do very well with it. I certainly get the arguments against him, but I don't think it's a given he would break down.
All in all, he's the kind of guy that I like to have at the end of my dynasty roster, if he can be had cheaply enough. Tiki Barber's don't happen every day, but if you catch one, it can be a big boost (I remember catching him in a couple of leagues when he was perennially underrated).
CJ's legs do not even remotely compare the skinniness in the video posted in this thread. And Norwood doesn't have the speed of Johnson which makes up for his size.
PahtyTom
Footballguy
Is this a joke? You are asking me for some logic as to why a guy with skinny legs can succeed? I can't even take it.
football fan
Footballguy
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2009/08/0...ume-larger-role
Here is something from Pro Football Weekly.
Here is something from Pro Football Weekly.
You have no logical response.
Darker Knight
Footballguy
This Thread has nothing to do with how many carries Norwood will get in 2009 with the Falcons....it's about if he can be a Starting RB in the NFL...and if you watch him play the answer in yes he can...now will he get that change who know....
Banger
Footballguy
No I don't think I am. I'm not at my computer but I think they had that one wacko coach that quit on the team mid year. Pretty sure it was Atlanta. What told me all that I needed to know was two years ago when Norwood was sharing with Dunn and I think Dunn injured his neck in camp and Norwood as a guy with all this talent and Dunn with almost no camp coming off an injury couldn't increase his role.
You can talk about height, weight, speed, skinny legs, shoe size but he can't pick up a block and if you can't block in the nfl you can't be an everydown RB. That's been a problem of his and I remember watching a game the year before last when Norwood was back there to block, TOTALLY whiffed and got the QB absolutely destroyed where he had to come out for a play but luckily didn't get more injured. The QB is the highest paid and most important guy on the team and if a guy can't block he won't be an everydown back. Its as simple as that.
To us in the fantasy world its totally irrelevant if a guy can block or not but as a coach that's trying to scheme and keep his QB upright and healthy its extremely important.
Defending Champs
Footballguy
You can't forget Arkansas Head Coach Bobby Petrino
PahtyTom
Footballguy
Your argument is too ridiculous. A guy with skinny legs can succeed the same way a guy with fat legs can succeed. The only measurable that matters much is speed in relation to weight, and Norwood is in good standing in that regard. If you looked at Michael Turners adjusted stats and compared them to Norwood's before Turner came to Atlanta, they were very similar in all regards. Norwood actually outperformed Turner in a few aspects. I believe if given the chance, Norwood would be a beast in a larger role.As far as why coaches do things, I don't know. Coaches do dumb things. We have guys who are successful coaches in this league who believe in outdated philosophies. Guys get pigeonholed in this league all the time. Sometimes it's warranted, sometimes it's not. I don't believe Norwood can't be good in a larger role just because his coaches haven't given him the chance yet. Some coaches aren't the brightest bulbs regardless of how successful their teams are or how the media may paint them . Maybe they think like you and look at his legs and think he can't handle it. I don't think that way.
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Shawnky
Footballguy
This board has become ridiculously filled with sheep over the years who follow the opion of a select few. The skinny legs comments are tired and flawed! I've been following Norwood since college due to the fact that I was a student at MSU. Norwood and Johnson are about the same size and have the same type of game.
switz
Footballguy
- should rename it the Sheep Pool
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Shawnky
Footballguy
You got me, I'm wrong. It's kind of hard to remember a guy who only coached half a season. It still doesn't change much of my opinion.
thehornet
Footballguy
What's the difference? He isnt a starting Running back in the NFL and EVERYONE knows it. I snagged this guy his rookie year and cut bait as soon as they pulled in Burner. The writing should have been on the wall for everyone to see when that happened. He's a nice changeup with blazing speed on the corners, but if I'm Matty ballgame then i dont want this guy anywhere near the field trying to pick up blitzes. Yikes, that must be a scary site from the eyes of a QB. Not to mention he physically CANNOT run in between tackles.
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