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Jermichael Finley the focal point of GB offense (1 Viewer)

Interesting read:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/79587142.html

A different route

Focus on Finley puzzles receivers

The way the Green Bay Packers lined up against the Chicago Bears last Sunday poses some interesting questions for a receiver-centric offense that is inching closer to a playoff berth.

Since Jermichael Finley returned from a knee injury against San Francisco Nov. 22, coach Mike McCarthy and offensive coordinator Joe Philbin have been finding more ways to get the talented tight end the ball.

Over the course of the last four games - all victories - Finley has been the target of more Aaron Rodgers passes than anybody else, including the top four receivers. Finley has been targeted 31 times compared with Greg Jennings' 28, Donald Driver's 26, James Jones' 12 and Jordy Nelson's four.

The game against the Bears showed to what degree McCarthy and Philbin are willing to pin their hopes on Finley, a third-round pick from 2008. Since returning from his knee injury, he leads the team with 22 receptions - for 228 yards and two touchdowns with a lost fumble - and they made him the centerpiece of their offense Sunday.

It was not the December weather that motivated McCarthy to pull back on his use of three-receiver sets; it was the desire to take advantage of Finley's size and speed against Chicago's defensive backs.

"I didn't really classify Chicago as a cold game," McCarthy said Thursday after practice. "If we don't feel that we can do certain things based on the weather, then that will change what we do schematically. But personnel-wise, you're always looking for the matchups, and weather doesn't really dictate that as much as the concepts, scheme."

The gradual shift to a Finley-centric offense clearly has puzzled the team's wide receivers, who are used to being Rodgers' favorite targets.

It was telling that after having just three passes targeted to him and catching two for 11 yards against Chicago, Driver was silent.

He almost always addresses the media after games, but he had no comment Sunday and wasn't talking Thursday.

Two of his receiver mates, Jennings and Jones, were careful with their words this week but far from judicious in defining their role as crucial to the offense's success.

They said their point is that they don't want McCarthy to forget how effective the three-receiver sets have been.

"To piggyback off what Mike is saying, you go at matchup situations where you feel like you have the best matchup," Jennings said. "Of course, 'J-Mike' is going to present a huge matchup every time. That's no question. I don't know a safety in the league other than Nick Collins or someone like that who's going to match up.

"He presents a huge matchup situation, but we feel we do as well. What it boils down to, whatever it takes to win, that's what we'll do."

The question the coaches have to ask is are they better off highlighting Finley, who is heading toward becoming an elite-type, pass-catching tight end, or do they go back to stressing multiple-receiver sets?

The Packers got the victory Sunday, but the offense was not at its best and scored just a touchdown and two field goals on five trips inside the Chicago 30-yard line.

The Packers have hovered around the 50% mark all season in touchdowns inside the 20-yard line and are tied with Detroit and Oakland for 16th place in red-zone efficiency.

The advantage of using three-receiver sets has been big plays. Through the Dallas game, the offense had 14 pass plays of 20 or more yards - including gains of 74, 50, 42 and 37 - out of that formation. There were also seven run plays of 10 or more yards.

"We always feel like we have the best matchup when we're all on the field," Jones said. "But you have to roll with the punches. Coaches call the plays; all we can do is run them. Do we want to be in more-receiver sets? Yeah.

"The ultimate goal is winning, and we're winning, so we can't do too much complaining."

Jennings said the feeling among the receivers is that they can shoulder the load in the red zone if given a chance. McCarthy's response might be, 'Where were you when I needed you 10 games ago?'

Since Finley has come back, the percentage of three-receiver sets used has declined. Against Dallas, it was 51.4%, against San Francisco, 46.8%, against Detroit, 35.2%, against Baltimore, 47% and against Chicago, 35%.

Both McCarthy and Philbin said they'll run whatever they think gives them the best chance to win, and with two cold-weather games ahead, starting with Pittsburgh at Heinz Field on Sunday, they very well could remain tight end- or running back-based.

Philbin said that while mixing Finley into the offense might seem like an ongoing process, he and McCarthy have thought it through and have come up with specific ways to attack opponents. They liked the way the Bears defended Finley and they wanted to exploit it.

He lined up all over the field, including in the slot or out wide with three receivers, and continually got favorably matchups on smaller, slower defensive backs.

"Part of our thing is if it's first and 10 or second and 5 and we get these guys in the game, be it two tight ends and two wideouts or Jermichael and three wideouts, what's the (defense's) tendency and how can we best take advantage of that?" Philbin said. "Is it the run game, is it the pass game, is it the vertical?

"That's kind of a chess match you're looking to find out in a ball game, how you're going to best take advantage of that situation. We have some specific plans how we want to use him."

How that plays out will be determined over the course of the last three games. It may be that McCarthy is just exploring the limits of how far he can go with Finley. When or if the Packers are in the playoffs, he'll have all kinds of options.

In the meantime, the receivers will have to be patient.

"I mean, we have a lot of talented people on this offense and we all want the ball," Jones said. "It's kind of selfish that we all want the ball, but at the same time that's the reality. There aren't enough balls to go around. At the end of the day, somebody's going to be unhappy."

Unless, of course, they keep winning.

 
:thumbdown: seems they're taking it pretty well.
Yes...at least publicly...And this is why I like Greg Jennings."He presents a huge matchup situation, but we feel we do as well. What it boils down to, whatever it takes to win, that's what we'll do."Through the contract thing last year and this year...he said the same types of things. That he is there to play and do what it takes to win and everything else will work itself out (last year with the contract it was all how he was going to take care of what he could...playing, and let his agent deal with the rest).Nice to see there are those types of players out there...and makes me happy they are Packers in this case.
 
I'm down by 15 points after last nights game in the first round of my playoffs. Would I be nuts to start him over V.Davis?

 
Former Packer LeRoy Butler does this "answer 5 questions thing" in the paper every week.

Here's part of one from this week.

Q: Why is the offense having so much trouble finishing drives?

A: When you get to the 20-yard line, that's when No. 88 should get every ball. Jermichael Finley is a bad matchup for every defensive back and linebacker in the National Football League. You have to figure out ways to get him the ball And you have to get Spencer Havner involved. You have to go to your three-tight end, one-receiver set. You have to go to different sets and give the defense more to think about. The more receivers you put out there with an empty backfield the more crowded it gets in the red zone. So you try to eliminate that by putting more tight ends out there than receivers. Put your best receiver out in that group. If he draws one-on-one, you exploit it. I'd like to have Finley used everywhere but inside the 5-yard line unless he's going to be split out right and you're going to throw a fade or a fade-stop to him with a back shoulder throw. In fact, from inside the 20 he should get every ball because he's just a bad matchup for everybody.

 
Former Packer LeRoy Butler does this "answer 5 questions thing" in the paper every week.Here's part of one from this week.Q: Why is the offense having so much trouble finishing drives?A: When you get to the 20-yard line, that's when No. 88 should get every ball. Jermichael Finley is a bad matchup for every defensive back and linebacker in the National Football League. You have to figure out ways to get him the ball And you have to get Spencer Havner involved. You have to go to your three-tight end, one-receiver set. You have to go to different sets and give the defense more to think about. The more receivers you put out there with an empty backfield the more crowded it gets in the red zone. So you try to eliminate that by putting more tight ends out there than receivers. Put your best receiver out in that group. If he draws one-on-one, you exploit it. I'd like to have Finley used everywhere but inside the 5-yard line unless he's going to be split out right and you're going to throw a fade or a fade-stop to him with a back shoulder throw. In fact, from inside the 20 he should get every ball because he's just a bad matchup for everybody.
I really like him as a player. Still can't believe I got him and Sidney Rice in a swap for Derrick Ward.
 
I'm down by 15 points after last nights game in the first round of my playoffs. Would I be nuts to start him over V.Davis?
Yes
Weather looks like it could be pretty bad for the Niners-Eagles but I agree - you can't sit a stud player like Davis. At least I don't think you can. Back to Finley, I agree with the WRs. They need to keep finding ways to get Finley the ball because he looks like a dynamic talent but they can't forget about the WRs either. Driver and Jennings are both top talents and Jones is a fine No. 3. McCarthy needs to find the proper balance in the passing game so one area isn't neglected. I do agree with Butler that in Red Zone situations, Finley should be a top option as is the case with many good TEs.Nice "problem" for the Packers to have.
 
You have to be really excited if you're a Finley keeper or dynasty league owner.
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Thanks for all the feedback on Celek, people.Anyone want to chime in on Finley? I may reserve two slots for TE and draft them both.
I know Finley had some red flags stemming from boneheaded behavior but he's becoming very intriguing. In the last two games of 2008 he was involved on a couple of big plays and now in the pre-season he's making additional waves. Last week in the first quarter alone, he got open over the middle for 18 and 21 yards, plus had a 16 yarder called back due to a lineman penalty. Rodgers looked very comfortable throwing his way, making good on his statement of Finley being unguardable during the offseason. Under McCarthy this offense has had 67, 68, and 56 catches from the TE position. All rumblings during the offseason have indicated Donald Lee does not have a stranglehold on the job and if Finley continues looking this good, I don't see why he couldn't grab the lion's share of work and approach Lee's 48-575-6 production in 2007, which was enough for TE #9.
I'm pretty excited to see this projection come to fruition. So many hot young dynasty TEs have been disappointing this year - Carlson, Keller, Olsen, etc.
 
I'm down by 15 points after last nights game in the first round of my playoffs. Would I be nuts to start him over V.Davis?
Yes
Thanks for clearing that up for me. I'm getting crazy here. First season playing fantasy football and I'm trying to get too cute.
No it would not be nuts. VD has had a great season and is a really becoming great player but if your gut says to go with Finley, sometimes it's better to follow that instinct. Right now Finley's hot as can be for a TE and if the Packers are committed to him as this article implies then he's as good a start as you can get at the position, even including VD who's defintely had a few stinker weeks this year.Full Disclosure: I own VD and just picked up Finley after reading this thread. I am considering starting him to pair with Rodgers against a poor Pitt Pass D.
 
Again today, 9/70/TD...this guy is turning into a top5 candidate before our eyes. At a position that has s o many talented players these days, to be able to make a splash like this in only his 2nd season. Rodgers and Finley has a chance to become the Rivers/Gates combo if things continue to progress.

Jennings, Driver, Jones, who is covering Finley?

 
I'm down by 15 points after last nights game in the first round of my playoffs. Would I be nuts to start him over V.Davis?
Yes
Thanks for clearing that up for me. I'm getting crazy here. First season playing fantasy football and I'm trying to get too cute.
No it would not be nuts. VD has had a great season and is a really becoming great player but if your gut says to go with Finley, sometimes it's better to follow that instinct. Right now Finley's hot as can be for a TE and if the Packers are committed to him as this article implies then he's as good a start as you can get at the position, even including VD who's defintely had a few stinker weeks this year.Full Disclosure: I own VD and just picked up Finley after reading this thread. I am considering starting him to pair with Rodgers against a poor Pitt Pass D.
I chickened out and started VD. Luckily it didn't cost me the week but this just serves as another example of how you sometimes just have to go with you gut.
 
And if the WRs want to be the focal point...they better stop dropping passes while Finley is eating everything up.

 
Again today, 9/70/TD...this guy is turning into a top5 candidate before our eyes. At a position that has s o many talented players these days, to be able to make a splash like this in only his 2nd season. Rodgers and Finley has a chance to become the Rivers/Gates combo if things continue to progress.

Jennings, Driver, Jones, who is covering Finley?
This is happening right in front of our eyes. Finley is the real deal. In my mind I'd have a hard time trading him for any other tight end straight up. Witten has scored 5 TDs combined in the last two years. Gates will be 30 next year and Clark 31. Finley will be 23. You could make a good argument for VD, but I'd much prefer having Rodgers throwing the rock over Smith or whatever QB SF trots out there going forward. Celek is another good young one, but I don't think he's as good of a red zone threat. I know Celek has 7 TDs, but you can't just split him out like the Packers have been doing with Finley and throw him a fade for a TD. Its a matchup nightmare for defenses. For as good as the Packer WRs are, none of them are the red zone threat that Finley is. That bodes very well for him going forward.

 
This guys is a beast. Thanks to the SPers who brought him to our attention during the preseason. I'm sure I'm not the only one he helped out yesterday.

 
LawFitz said:
I'm down by 15 points after last nights game in the first round of my playoffs. Would I be nuts to start him over V.Davis?
Yes
Thanks for clearing that up for me. I'm getting crazy here. First season playing fantasy football and I'm trying to get too cute.
No it would not be nuts. VD has had a great season and is a really becoming great player but if your gut says to go with Finley, sometimes it's better to follow that instinct. Right now Finley's hot as can be for a TE and if the Packers are committed to him as this article implies then he's as good a start as you can get at the position, even including VD who's defintely had a few stinker weeks this year.Full Disclosure: I own VD and just picked up Finley after reading this thread. I am considering starting him to pair with Rodgers against a poor Pitt Pass D.
I chickened out and started VD. Luckily it didn't cost me the week but this just serves as another example of how you sometimes just have to go with you gut.
So are you going finley over VD wk 16?
 
Going to be Finley vs Clark for me. I'll have to see what news of the Colts come out this week, but the matchups with each two is almost worth starting Finley by itself. Jets #2 in hardest against TEs over the last 5-6 weeks, Seatle is #3 in points given up to TEs over that same time period.

 
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Considering him over Celek, who has been awesome all year long and hate to mess with a steady lineup.

But, but...........

What is SEA's rank for FF points allowed vs FF TE's?

That matchup seems very, very sweet.

 
So are you going finley over VD wk 16?
We'll see what my gut tells me at the end of the week :unsure:ETA: Detroit at home is an almost irresistable matchup for VD so it's a harder call this week. But at least I know that either way I won't be facing Finley!
 
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Again today, 9/70/TD...this guy is turning into a top5 candidate before our eyes. At a position that has s o many talented players these days, to be able to make a splash like this in only his 2nd season. Rodgers and Finley has a chance to become the Rivers/Gates combo if things continue to progress.

Jennings, Driver, Jones, who is covering Finley?
This is happening right in front of our eyes. Finley is the real deal. In my mind I'd have a hard time trading him for any other tight end straight up. Witten has scored 5 TDs combined in the last two years. Gates will be 30 next year and Clark 31. Finley will be 23. You could make a good argument for VD, but I'd much prefer having Rodgers throwing the rock over Smith or whatever QB SF trots out there going forward. Celek is another good young one, but I don't think he's as good of a red zone threat. I know Celek has 7 TDs, but you can't just split him out like the Packers have been doing with Finley and throw him a fade for a TD. Its a matchup nightmare for defenses. For as good as the Packer WRs are, none of them are the red zone threat that Finley is. That bodes very well for him going forward.
Just thought I'd bump this because I am on the edge of starting Finley over Celek.Very superstitious about lineup changes at this time of year (there are two taboos for me here, switching my steady lineup that got me here and playing both Jennings and Finley in the same game), but this Finley situation vs SEA just keeps getting arrows pointed to it as a very good start.

As an aside for Celek owners, here's something else I found recently: SEA has allowed the 3rd most receptions to TE's this year, DEN has allowed the 3rd FEWEST.

Anyone rolling with Finley and plugging him in over season long starters at TE ???

 
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Starting Finley over Tony Gonzalez and feel very good about it.

Again today, 9/70/TD...this guy is turning into a top5 candidate before our eyes. At a position that has s o many talented players these days, to be able to make a splash like this in only his 2nd season. Rodgers and Finley has a chance to become the Rivers/Gates combo if things continue to progress.

Jennings, Driver, Jones, who is covering Finley?
This is happening right in front of our eyes. Finley is the real deal. In my mind I'd have a hard time trading him for any other tight end straight up. Witten has scored 5 TDs combined in the last two years. Gates will be 30 next year and Clark 31. Finley will be 23. You could make a good argument for VD, but I'd much prefer having Rodgers throwing the rock over Smith or whatever QB SF trots out there going forward. Celek is another good young one, but I don't think he's as good of a red zone threat. I know Celek has 7 TDs, but you can't just split him out like the Packers have been doing with Finley and throw him a fade for a TD. Its a matchup nightmare for defenses. For as good as the Packer WRs are, none of them are the red zone threat that Finley is. That bodes very well for him going forward.
Just thought I'd bump this because I am on the edge of starting Finley over Celek.Very superstitious about lineup changes at this time of year (there are two taboos for me here, switching my steady lineup that got me here and playing both Jennings and Finley in the same game), but this Finley situation vs SEA just keeps getting arrows pointed to it as a very good start.

As an aside for Celek owners, here's something else I found recently: SEA has allowed the 3rd most receptions to TE's this year, DEN has allowed the 3rd FEWEST.

Anyone rolling with Finley and plugging him in over season long starters at TE ???
 
Again today, 9/70/TD...this guy is turning into a top5 candidate before our eyes. At a position that has s o many talented players these days, to be able to make a splash like this in only his 2nd season. Rodgers and Finley has a chance to become the Rivers/Gates combo if things continue to progress.

Jennings, Driver, Jones, who is covering Finley?
This is happening right in front of our eyes. Finley is the real deal. In my mind I'd have a hard time trading him for any other tight end straight up. Witten has scored 5 TDs combined in the last two years. Gates will be 30 next year and Clark 31. Finley will be 23. You could make a good argument for VD, but I'd much prefer having Rodgers throwing the rock over Smith or whatever QB SF trots out there going forward. Celek is another good young one, but I don't think he's as good of a red zone threat. I know Celek has 7 TDs, but you can't just split him out like the Packers have been doing with Finley and throw him a fade for a TD. Its a matchup nightmare for defenses. For as good as the Packer WRs are, none of them are the red zone threat that Finley is. That bodes very well for him going forward.
Just thought I'd bump this because I am on the edge of starting Finley over Celek.Very superstitious about lineup changes at this time of year (there are two taboos for me here, switching my steady lineup that got me here and playing both Jennings and Finley in the same game), but this Finley situation vs SEA just keeps getting arrows pointed to it as a very good start.

As an aside for Celek owners, here's something else I found recently: SEA has allowed the 3rd most receptions to TE's this year, DEN has allowed the 3rd FEWEST.

Anyone rolling with Finley and plugging him in over season long starters at TE ???
I'm starting Finley in 3 of 4 title games this week, and all of them that I own Finley, and one of them is over Clark. Now I am starting Clark with Finley in two leagues.
 
Oh man, I don't know. I got screwed last night by subbing Bo Scaife for Greg Olsen. I've currently got Finley in over Celek in another game, but I've used Celek 9 times to Finley's 1 and had good success. I'm spooked now.

 
Oh man, I don't know. I got screwed last night by subbing Bo Scaife for Greg Olsen. I've currently got Finley in over Celek in another game, but I've used Celek 9 times to Finley's 1 and had good success. I'm spooked now.
Same for me. Finley vs Celek. To help twist your arm, here's my analysis (arguing for Finley) to my co-owner: TE: Finley vs CelekWith Maclin fully back, I strongly favor Finley. When Maclin emerged, Celek’s numbers went down. I need your take here, but to me it’s Finley. We want a piece of Rodgers against the 30th ranked defense against the pass. The only worry is that GB gets up insane and just shortens the game via the run. Even if they do, I could see Finley getting some action. Let me know your thoughts.Celek vs DEN Last Five: 11: 4 for 35 @ CHI – 5.512: 4 for 33 vs WAS – 5.313: 2 for 16 and TD @ ATL – 8.614: 5 for 64 and TD @ NYG - 14.915: 4 for 73 vs SF – 9.3Finley vs SEALast Five: 11: 7 for 54 vs SF – 8.912: 3 for 25 @ DET – 4 (Driver went ape####)13: 7 for 79 and 2 TDs vs BAL – 23.414: 5 for 70 and Fumble @ CHI – 7.515: 9 for 74 and TD @ PIT – 17.9Here is Celek when Maclin emerged: 01: 12 (No Maclin)02: 14 (No Maclin)03: 20 (No Maclin)04: BYE05: 7 (Maclin 29)06: 9 (Maclin 1 against OAK)07: 2 (Maclin 7)08: 14 (Maclin 12) (40-17 win against NYG)09: 11 (Maclin 5)10: 13 (Maclin 16) (23-31 loss to SD)11: 5 (Maclin 9)12: 5 (Maclin 8)13: 8 (Maclin 10) 14: 14 (Maclin out)15: 9 (Maclin out)Sometimes both Celek and Maclin do well, but only in high scoring shootouts. Generally, Maclin has hurt Celek’s receptions and yards quite a bit. This week against Denver will be a tough one. But, Philly will be competing longer than they will be in the GB vs SEA game.
 
Going to be Finley vs Clark for me. I'll have to see what news of the Colts come out this week, but the matchups with each two is almost worth starting Finley by itself. Jets #2 in hardest against TEs over the last 5-6 weeks, Seatle is #3 in points given up to TEs over that same time period.
I'm going with Finley simply because I feel GB will need to pound the heck out of Seattle because they need to keep winning for the playoffs. Seattle is a terrible road team and they were butchered up by Tampa Bay last week...this should be Green Bay 38...Seattle 17, something along those lines, expect a lot of throwing from Rodgers and expect Finley to have a good chance for another top5/top10 week again. 5/60/TD would work for me.
 
Starting Finley over Tony Gonzalez and feel very good about it.

Again today, 9/70/TD...this guy is turning into a top5 candidate before our eyes. At a position that has s o many talented players these days, to be able to make a splash like this in only his 2nd season. Rodgers and Finley has a chance to become the Rivers/Gates combo if things continue to progress.

Jennings, Driver, Jones, who is covering Finley?
This is happening right in front of our eyes. Finley is the real deal. In my mind I'd have a hard time trading him for any other tight end straight up. Witten has scored 5 TDs combined in the last two years. Gates will be 30 next year and Clark 31. Finley will be 23. You could make a good argument for VD, but I'd much prefer having Rodgers throwing the rock over Smith or whatever QB SF trots out there going forward. Celek is another good young one, but I don't think he's as good of a red zone threat. I know Celek has 7 TDs, but you can't just split him out like the Packers have been doing with Finley and throw him a fade for a TD. Its a matchup nightmare for defenses. For as good as the Packer WRs are, none of them are the red zone threat that Finley is. That bodes very well for him going forward.
Just thought I'd bump this because I am on the edge of starting Finley over Celek.Very superstitious about lineup changes at this time of year (there are two taboos for me here, switching my steady lineup that got me here and playing both Jennings and Finley in the same game), but this Finley situation vs SEA just keeps getting arrows pointed to it as a very good start.

As an aside for Celek owners, here's something else I found recently: SEA has allowed the 3rd most receptions to TE's this year, DEN has allowed the 3rd FEWEST.

Anyone rolling with Finley and plugging him in over season long starters at TE ???
I made the same call, but dont feel great about it. Gonzo has been very consistent. What tipped the scales for me is that I am facing rdogers, so I felt that I could possibly neutralize some of the damage, but Gonzo in a dome vs Finley possibly in snow is not a decision that I feel great about.
 
Starting Finley over Tony Gonzalez and feel very good about it.

Again today, 9/70/TD...this guy is turning into a top5 candidate before our eyes. At a position that has s o many talented players these days, to be able to make a splash like this in only his 2nd season. Rodgers and Finley has a chance to become the Rivers/Gates combo if things continue to progress.

Jennings, Driver, Jones, who is covering Finley?
This is happening right in front of our eyes. Finley is the real deal. In my mind I'd have a hard time trading him for any other tight end straight up. Witten has scored 5 TDs combined in the last two years. Gates will be 30 next year and Clark 31. Finley will be 23. You could make a good argument for VD, but I'd much prefer having Rodgers throwing the rock over Smith or whatever QB SF trots out there going forward. Celek is another good young one, but I don't think he's as good of a red zone threat. I know Celek has 7 TDs, but you can't just split him out like the Packers have been doing with Finley and throw him a fade for a TD. Its a matchup nightmare for defenses. For as good as the Packer WRs are, none of them are the red zone threat that Finley is. That bodes very well for him going forward.
Just thought I'd bump this because I am on the edge of starting Finley over Celek.Very superstitious about lineup changes at this time of year (there are two taboos for me here, switching my steady lineup that got me here and playing both Jennings and Finley in the same game), but this Finley situation vs SEA just keeps getting arrows pointed to it as a very good start.

As an aside for Celek owners, here's something else I found recently: SEA has allowed the 3rd most receptions to TE's this year, DEN has allowed the 3rd FEWEST.

Anyone rolling with Finley and plugging him in over season long starters at TE ???
I made the same call, but dont feel great about it. Gonzo has been very consistent. What tipped the scales for me is that I am facing rdogers, so I felt that I could possibly neutralize some of the damage, but Gonzo in a dome vs Finley possibly in snow is not a decision that I feel great about.
Same here. Had Heath Miller, Fred Davis, and Finley was still a FA so I grabbed him to neutralize Rodgers hopefully.
 
If you had the choice of two keepers:

Finley
Garcon
Harvin
Fred DavisStandard scoring + 5pt bonus at 100yrds. 14 team league that starts 2RB/3WRs

Thanks,

Joe

 
Bump to ask: where does Finley rank among TEs in your eyes heading into 2010?

I've got him ranked in the top 5 with only the big two ahead of him for sure (VD/Gates). I can see an argument for him to be ahead of almost every other TE with only Witten and maybe Celek as legit contenders for the #3 spot.

ETA: forgot about Dallas Clark and Owen Daniels. They have got to be in the mix as well for the #3. In Clark's case, maybe even higher.

 
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Bump to ask: where does Finley rank among TEs in your eyes heading into 2010?I've got him ranked in the top 5 with only the big two ahead of him for sure (VD/Gates). I can see an argument for him to be ahead of almost every other TE with only Witten and maybe Celek as legit contenders for the #3 spot.ETA: forgot about Dallas Clark and Owen Daniels. They have got to be in the mix as well for the #3. In Clark's case, maybe even higher.
1. Finley2. Clark3. Gates4. Witten5. Davis6. Winslow7. Daniels8. Zack9. Eveyone elseFor me the only two that are close are Witten/Davis. The top five are your elite TEs. However, I do see a split among them with the top three being a bit more valuable than 4 & 5.
 
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Bump to ask: where does Finley rank among TEs in your eyes heading into 2010?I've got him ranked in the top 5 with only the big two ahead of him for sure (VD/Gates). I can see an argument for him to be ahead of almost every other TE with only Witten and maybe Celek as legit contenders for the #3 spot.ETA: forgot about Dallas Clark and Owen Daniels. They have got to be in the mix as well for the #3. In Clark's case, maybe even higher.
1. Finley2. Clark3. Gates4. Witten5. Davis6. Winslow7. Daniels8. Zack9. Eveyone elseFor me the only two that are close are Witten/Davis. The top five are your elite TEs. However, I do see a split among them with the top three being a bit more valuable than 4 & 5.
Where's Celek at? I think he's top 5, tough to leave out of the top 10...
 
Finley is my favorite TE in dynasty, though he has risk due to his short track record. I trust my eyes, though, and think he is the most athletic of the top 10 fantasy TEs and has Rodgers throwing to him.

Gates is still elite, but I think his physical skills have diminished and will continue to do so. I still like him to be top five for 2-4 years; his physical skills are diminishing from such a high starting point that he will still be better than most TEs for a while.

Vernon Davis is a freak, and I like him very much, but I am concerned about the SF QB situation and whether Davis will get the targets needed to be an elite TE with the development of Crabtree and maybe Morgan. Still very high on him.

Dallas Clark is great.. but I really believe his targets will decline as Indy's WRs develop, especially if a 3rd WR becomes good in the slot. Clark was a monster last year, but Indy only had 1 reliable WR for the most part. look at Clark's career stats: which year looks like the outlier? Also, Clark is always gimped up; last year was his forst playing 16 games. Still, he is good... just not elite, imo.

Witten is rock solid, just not the athlete some of these other TEs are, and seems to be less of a red zone threat. He is always a possibility to be the #1 TE, though.

Winslow is good, but not physically what he once was (despite his youth), and Josh Freeman needs to show more. I don't mind Winslow being my starting TE, but he's not in the running for top 3, imo.

I like Daniels, but the ACL matters. Also, TDs are not where we like them to be. He was off to a great start last season, but a good TD pace for 8 games does not erase a terrible TD pace for the previous 46 games.

Celek, IMO, had much of his success due to situation. I am not sure Philly will pass a much with Donovan's departure, and Maclin's development will eat into Celek's targets. Celek is solid, but not really a top 5 kind of guy.... TE5 is pretty much his ceiling going forward, barring injuries to the TEs ahead of him.

I like Zack Miller in Oak, but they need a QB before we see what he can do.

Keller has skills and could still emerge.

Cooley or Fred Davis could thrive as long as they don't eat into one another's targets.

Carlson could be starting caliber, but not likely elite.

Greg Olsen could still emerge, though opinions seem mixed on him. Some say he was inconsistent last year; I didn't get a chance to watch him much, but he has the physical skills, he just may need to get away from Martz.

Gonzo is still kicking in ATL as well.

Not necessarily how I would draft, but this is how I like the TEs (dynasty):

Finley

V.Davis

Gates

Witten

D.Clark

Celek/Winslow

Daniels

Gonzo

Z.Miller/Keller/Olsen

Cooley (or F.Davis)

J.Cook

Carlson

 

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