Jerry Angelo for GM of the Year? (1 Viewer)

[SproutDaddy]

I hate the Bears, but agree with almost all of it, except the Jones trade. Not a good move in my opinion.

I'd say the same. In no way has Benson showed that he is as talented as Jones, nor that he "will lead the way."

 

[Sweetness_34]

I hate the Bears, but agree with almost all of it, except the Jones trade. Not a good move in my opinion.

I'd say the same. In no way has Benson showed that he is as talented as Jones, nor that he "will lead the way."

Obviously you did not see the YPC Benson got in the 2nd half of last year. And obviously you did not see how he was productive against 2 of the toughest run defenses in the 2nd half of last year - NE & MinnesotaGo back and look at those games and see the box score carefully....I watched those games. Benson was a beast running around and through two of the tougher run Ds in the league. Those are all good signs. Now he needs to show he can do it for a season. Behind a very good OL, I do not see how he does not do that

 

[Phlash]

Cedric Benson

320/1450/12

20/150/1

Bank on it.

 

[SproutDaddy]

I hate the Bears, but agree with almost all of it, except the Jones trade. Not a good move in my opinion.

I'd say the same. In no way has Benson showed that he is as talented as Jones, nor that he "will lead the way."

Obviously you did not see the YPC Benson got in the 2nd half of last year. And obviously you did not see how he was productive against 2 of the toughest run defenses in the 2nd half of last year - NE & MinnesotaGo back and look at those games and see the box score carefully....I watched those games. Benson was a beast running around and through two of the tougher run Ds in the league. Those are all good signs. Now he needs to show he can do it for a season. Behind a very good OL, I do not see how he does not do that

Wow, he had 2 good games. I'm sold!I saw 6-7 Bears games last year. In no way did he impress me.

 

[Sweetness_34]

I hate the Bears, but agree with almost all of it, except the Jones trade. Not a good move in my opinion.

I'd say the same. In no way has Benson showed that he is as talented as Jones, nor that he "will lead the way."

Obviously you did not see the YPC Benson got in the 2nd half of last year. And obviously you did not see how he was productive against 2 of the toughest run defenses in the 2nd half of last year - NE & MinnesotaGo back and look at those games and see the box score carefully....I watched those games. Benson was a beast running around and through two of the tougher run Ds in the league. Those are all good signs. Now he needs to show he can do it for a season. Behind a very good OL, I do not see how he does not do that

Wow, he had 2 good games. I'm sold!I saw 6-7 Bears games last year. In no way did he impress me.

Hmmm.....every time he got a chance to play he did well. The Bears did not need to rely on one back.....they do not care if Benson is a FF top 10 RB or not....they care about winning and they did that better than most last year. Look at the YPC for Benson throughout last year.... I gave you 2 examples to show you how Benson did against tough defenses. That is a good sign.....learn to project based off the info that is available.

 

[DrJ]

Walker is undoubtedly an upgrade here. - Didn't say he wasn't, just no that big of one

See, I'd say that it's a big upgrade even if he was equal in talent to Tank. He's not suspended for 1/2 a season...

 

[hephner]

It continued today with the trade for Darwin Walker. He will provide depth and experience to a young DT rotation. He is 6-3 294 and perfect for the Bears gap penetrating scheme. The only hang up would be his contract, which I am sure would be worked out.

Angelo has added players that fit the Bears scheme all offseason.

-Anthony Adams is a quicker version of Ian Scott.

-Lose Tank Johnson, which I totally respect the Bears organization for outright cutting him. Then they add Darwin Walker(see above) to replace him.

-Adam Archuleta knows the system from his days with Lovie and is a great calculated risk. Considering all Safteys are returning except Todd Johnson, why not bring in a player that had his best days in Lovie's system with the Rams.

-Lance Briggs situation. He is signed and in camp. The Bears will let him go next offseason and turn the reins over to Jamar Williams or Michael Okwo. Both very athletic Will linebackers that, like Briggs, were third round picks.

-The resigning of Charles Tillman and Nathan Vasher before they hit the marker next offseason. He signed both of them to .8 million more per year than Nate Clements.

-Drafting players in the draft that will contribute right away to this Super Bowl runner-up.

-Greg Olsen will give the Bears the best TE option since......Ditka. At 6-5 and running a 4.5, he will help everyone on offense.

-Dan Bazuin gives the Bears another pass rusher with a relentless motor. This is a guy that was needed during the last half of the season to give Wale and Brown a breather.

-Garrett Wolfe is already making headlines in practice because of his quickness, speed, and playmaking ability outof the backfield. He has great hands and will be the best 3rd down RB the Bears have had since Robert Green or Dennis Gentry.

-He signed all of his draft picks before camp started and the first team to sign a 1st round pick.

-Traded away Thomas Jones, who is not as talented or as good of a fit for the Bears running scheme, for Garrett Wolfe, Dan Bazuin, and a 2008 3rd round pick.

-Let Ron Rivera go, who while a very talented D-coordinator, couldn't adjust in the playoffs (see the Panthers and Colts playoff games) and isn't an ideal fit running Lovie's cover 2 scheme.

I think he does a fantastic job and doesn't get as much credit as he deserves.

- Anthony Adams is NOT an upgrade- Walker is overrated, but not a bad player. He breaks down alot, and Bears fans will be unhappy with him rather quickly.

- Archuleta should have retired 4 years ago.

- Briggs coming in was good.

- overpaid for average CB.

- Rookies might/might not cotribute

- Olsen may bust

- Wolfe is only viewed highliy in CHI

- ooh, he did his JOB wow!

- Lost the teams only good RB, and left an oft injured unproven overrated player to shoulder (no pun intended) the load

- Lost a really good DC, and replace him with

- Didn't address team's biggest need at QB

No one should be crowing about the Bears GM. He has NOT upgraded the team at all this season. However, if Grossman becomes anything less than terribly erratic, I'm sure the GM will get a ton of credit.

How you can look at those moves and say he has not upgraded the team is asinine. - Anthony Adams was never brought in to be anything but a decent backup, which he should be. - so how does this make Amgelo GM f the Year?

- Walker is a great addition. You're definitely in the minority if you think otherwise. You probably also were one of those saying that the Bears D "won't be the same without Tank Johnson". Tank was an average player, who by the way, was a big reason why they yielded nearly 200 rushing yards to the Colts in the Super Bowl. Walker is undoubtedly an upgrade here. - Didn't say he wasn't, just no that big of one

- Archuleta is definitely past his prime, but he could still be decent helping the run from the safety position in this defense. Plus the Bears have a few other very solid safeties who will contribute, or step in should need be. - so why wast emoney bringing in a guy like Archuleta

- Briggs situation couldn't have turned out better for the Bears in the end. - agreed- but it's Angelo's job, nothing amazing

- "Average CBs" - Vasher and Tillman aren't necessary All Pro shut down corners, but they're both close, and getting better. (Also, age 25 and 26, respectively)- again, his job, nothign special

- "Rookies might/might not contribute" - Wow! What a startling revelation here. - so you can't argue that he's deserving of GM of Year until we see how they pan out

- "Olsen may bust" - Again. Great analysis. - then don't argue he should be GM of the year for it

- Wolfe is a question mark, as I think they may have reached for him a bit, but I don't doubt Jerry's drafting ability, as he's shown time and again to get great value overall with a lot of players. - yep, a reach

- Signing the picks before camp - yes he did his job, and did it quite well here. - still just his job

- "Lost the teams only good RB" - Did you think Jones was a good RB until he hit Chicago? I'd be willing to bet you were on board labeling him as a bust a few years back. Excellent O-lines can make a lot a middle-of-the-road RBs look good (see Denver). -actually when Jones went to CHI most in the fantasy community recognized he was a great RB and had him pegged as a sleeper/steal

- Yes, Rivera was a very good D coordinator, but the failure to adjust in the playoffs and the fact that his scheme did not agree with Lovie's are both very good points. We'll have to wait and see how this turns out. - so again, no means to determine he's GM of the year

- QB does remain a big question mark, but this team doesn't need a star QB to take them far. The cornerstone is their stifling defense. They just need a QB that can manage the game, and limit mistakes. Grossman will need to show he can do that consistently, and he'll have a much shorter leash with which to do that this year. Can Griese or Orton take over if need be? I'm skeptical too, but I'm still optimistic about Grossman. He showed some very good qualities at times, and if he can figure out how to not implode, he'll be a very solid QB. - true, but they needed to do more to address this situation

You're arguing against the wrong poster. I'm not the one that claimed Angelo already deserves GM of the year (although he just might by season's end). I'm the one refuting your claim that Angelo has not improved the team in the off-season. You should read the first line of my post again:How you can look at those moves and say he has not upgraded the team is asinine.

By the way, "actually when Jones went to CHI most in the fantasy community recognized he was a great RB and had him pegged as a sleeper/steal". Talk about revisionist history. Please provide a link to a thread anywhere where YOU claimed he was a "great RB". He was largely viewed as a bust after his 3 years in Arizona, and showed improvement in TB only in the final 4 games or so of the '03 season. There were some that considered him somewhat of a sleeper candidate because of his late run in Tampa, but most were still second-guessing the move for the Bears back then and thought he would never have a big impact anywhere.



I don't understand why you're so bent on bashing Angelo when he's vastly improved the team in recent years, far exceeding anyones expectations last year in particular. The moves he's made this off-season show that he's committed to trying to keep the Bears as a top contender. Personally, I don't care if he's GM of the year or not, as long as he does what he can to improve the team, and the success of the last couple years continues. I think he's done his part.

 

[buster c]

Archuleta is definitely past his prime

so true

but he could still be decent helping the run from the safety position in this defense

or, he could do what he's done since his back surgery - bounce off the opposition ball carriers like a pinball

Plus the Bears have a few other very solid safeties who will contribute, or step in should need be

you better hope so

AA =

 

[Sweetness_34]

It continued today with the trade for Darwin Walker. He will provide depth and experience to a young DT rotation. He is 6-3 294 and perfect for the Bears gap penetrating scheme. The only hang up would be his contract, which I am sure would be worked out.

Angelo has added players that fit the Bears scheme all offseason.

-Anthony Adams is a quicker version of Ian Scott.

-Lose Tank Johnson, which I totally respect the Bears organization for outright cutting him. Then they add Darwin Walker(see above) to replace him.

-Adam Archuleta knows the system from his days with Lovie and is a great calculated risk. Considering all Safteys are returning except Todd Johnson, why not bring in a player that had his best days in Lovie's system with the Rams.

-Lance Briggs situation. He is signed and in camp. The Bears will let him go next offseason and turn the reins over to Jamar Williams or Michael Okwo. Both very athletic Will linebackers that, like Briggs, were third round picks.

-The resigning of Charles Tillman and Nathan Vasher before they hit the marker next offseason. He signed both of them to .8 million more per year than Nate Clements.

-Drafting players in the draft that will contribute right away to this Super Bowl runner-up.

-Greg Olsen will give the Bears the best TE option since......Ditka. At 6-5 and running a 4.5, he will help everyone on offense.

-Dan Bazuin gives the Bears another pass rusher with a relentless motor. This is a guy that was needed during the last half of the season to give Wale and Brown a breather.

-Garrett Wolfe is already making headlines in practice because of his quickness, speed, and playmaking ability outof the backfield. He has great hands and will be the best 3rd down RB the Bears have had since Robert Green or Dennis Gentry.

-He signed all of his draft picks before camp started and the first team to sign a 1st round pick.

-Traded away Thomas Jones, who is not as talented or as good of a fit for the Bears running scheme, for Garrett Wolfe, Dan Bazuin, and a 2008 3rd round pick.

-Let Ron Rivera go, who while a very talented D-coordinator, couldn't adjust in the playoffs (see the Panthers and Colts playoff games) and isn't an ideal fit running Lovie's cover 2 scheme.

I think he does a fantastic job and doesn't get as much credit as he deserves.

- Anthony Adams is NOT an upgrade- Walker is overrated, but not a bad player. He breaks down alot, and Bears fans will be unhappy with him rather quickly.

- Archuleta should have retired 4 years ago.

- Briggs coming in was good.

- overpaid for average CB.

- Rookies might/might not cotribute

- Olsen may bust

- Wolfe is only viewed highliy in CHI

- ooh, he did his JOB wow!

- Lost the teams only good RB, and left an oft injured unproven overrated player to shoulder (no pun intended) the load

- Lost a really good DC, and replace him with

- Didn't address team's biggest need at QB

No one should be crowing about the Bears GM. He has NOT upgraded the team at all this season. However, if Grossman becomes anything less than terribly erratic, I'm sure the GM will get a ton of credit.

How you can look at those moves and say he has not upgraded the team is asinine. - Anthony Adams was never brought in to be anything but a decent backup, which he should be. - so how does this make Amgelo GM f the Year?

- Walker is a great addition. You're definitely in the minority if you think otherwise. You probably also were one of those saying that the Bears D "won't be the same without Tank Johnson". Tank was an average player, who by the way, was a big reason why they yielded nearly 200 rushing yards to the Colts in the Super Bowl. Walker is undoubtedly an upgrade here. - Didn't say he wasn't, just no that big of one

- Archuleta is definitely past his prime, but he could still be decent helping the run from the safety position in this defense. Plus the Bears have a few other very solid safeties who will contribute, or step in should need be. - so why wast emoney bringing in a guy like Archuleta

- Briggs situation couldn't have turned out better for the Bears in the end. - agreed- but it's Angelo's job, nothing amazing

- "Average CBs" - Vasher and Tillman aren't necessary All Pro shut down corners, but they're both close, and getting better. (Also, age 25 and 26, respectively)- again, his job, nothign special

- "Rookies might/might not contribute" - Wow! What a startling revelation here. - so you can't argue that he's deserving of GM of Year until we see how they pan out

- "Olsen may bust" - Again. Great analysis. - then don't argue he should be GM of the year for it

- Wolfe is a question mark, as I think they may have reached for him a bit, but I don't doubt Jerry's drafting ability, as he's shown time and again to get great value overall with a lot of players. - yep, a reach

- Signing the picks before camp - yes he did his job, and did it quite well here. - still just his job

- "Lost the teams only good RB" - Did you think Jones was a good RB until he hit Chicago? I'd be willing to bet you were on board labeling him as a bust a few years back. Excellent O-lines can make a lot a middle-of-the-road RBs look good (see Denver). -actually when Jones went to CHI most in the fantasy community recognized he was a great RB and had him pegged as a sleeper/steal

- Yes, Rivera was a very good D coordinator, but the failure to adjust in the playoffs and the fact that his scheme did not agree with Lovie's are both very good points. We'll have to wait and see how this turns out. - so again, no means to determine he's GM of the year

- QB does remain a big question mark, but this team doesn't need a star QB to take them far. The cornerstone is their stifling defense. They just need a QB that can manage the game, and limit mistakes. Grossman will need to show he can do that consistently, and he'll have a much shorter leash with which to do that this year. Can Griese or Orton take over if need be? I'm skeptical too, but I'm still optimistic about Grossman. He showed some very good qualities at times, and if he can figure out how to not implode, he'll be a very solid QB. - true, but they needed to do more to address this situation

You're arguing against the wrong poster. I'm not the one that claimed Angelo already deserves GM of the year (although he just might by season's end). I'm the one refuting your claim that Angelo has not improved the team in the off-season. You should read the first line of my post again:How you can look at those moves and say he has not upgraded the team is asinine.

By the way, "actually when Jones went to CHI most in the fantasy community recognized he was a great RB and had him pegged as a sleeper/steal". Talk about revisionist history. Please provide a link to a thread anywhere where YOU claimed he was a "great RB". He was largely viewed as a bust after his 3 years in Arizona, and showed improvement in TB only in the final 4 games or so of the '03 season. There were some that considered him somewhat of a sleeper candidate because of his late run in Tampa, but most were still second-guessing the move for the Bears back then and thought he would never have a big impact anywhere.



I don't understand why you're so bent on bashing Angelo when he's vastly improved the team in recent years, far exceeding anyones expectations last year in particular. The moves he's made this off-season show that he's committed to trying to keep the Bears as a top contender. Personally, I don't care if he's GM of the year or not, as long as he does what he can to improve the team, and the success of the last couple years continues. I think he's done his part.

Because he is just a biased Bear hater....success always does that. Must be a packer fan.

 

[Monsters of the Midway]

I've seen a lot of Thomas Jones/Cedric Benson debate on these boards and I'm surprised at how polarizing that argument is. Benson is either an injury-prone loser or will be a total stud. Thomas Jones is either irreplaceable or over the hill.

I watched every Bears game last year and here's what I saw:

Benson started off slow, probably because he was injured. He played much better at the end of the regular season, which coincided with him getting more carries. The Cedric Benson I saw in Nov/Dec was simply more explosive than Thomas Jones. It was plain to me. That's just my observation from watching the games so take that as you will.

Benson's high-level 1st/2nd half splits back up my observations:

1st half: 63 carries, 208 yards (3.3 y/c), 3 TDs

2nd half: 94 carries, 439 yards (4.7 y/c), 3 TDs

Thomas Jones was a good player over the last 2 years. Was he great? No. He was durable and consistent. That definitely has value and despite what I think Benson's next full season without injury will be his first. He also ran behind a very good OL and played a favorable schedule. Benson will do the same this year.

The Bears knew that Jones is getting up there in age (29) and would want more money than they were comfortable giving him. They had what most people would say is a comparable player who is 5 years younger waiting in the wings. There lies the potential to deal from a position of strength and add other talent.

I don't see why Benson couldn't replicate Jones' average Bears season 1200 yard, 7 TD season this year.

Angelo has done a tremendous job filling the roster with talented players during his tenure. I wouldn't say that he deserves Exec of the Year right now but he's been very good for the Bears over the last 4 or 5 years. I don't see how that is even debatable.

Everyone outside of Chicago seems to think that Tank Johnson was a force defensively. He was average. His absence will not have a noticeable effect on the DL.

 

[PsychoMan]

Everyone outside of Chicago seems to think that Tank Johnson was a force defensively. He was average. His absence will not have a noticeable effect on the DL.

Exactly. Not sure why people don't get this. Tank was not that good! Like I said earlier, the Bears D-line will be BETTER than it was last year.

 

[switz]

It continued today with the trade for Darwin Walker. He will provide depth and experience to a young DT rotation. He is 6-3 294 and perfect for the Bears gap penetrating scheme. The only hang up would be his contract, which I am sure would be worked out.

Angelo has added players that fit the Bears scheme all offseason.

-Anthony Adams is a quicker version of Ian Scott.

-Lose Tank Johnson, which I totally respect the Bears organization for outright cutting him. Then they add Darwin Walker(see above) to replace him.

-Adam Archuleta knows the system from his days with Lovie and is a great calculated risk. Considering all Safteys are returning except Todd Johnson, why not bring in a player that had his best days in Lovie's system with the Rams.

-Lance Briggs situation. He is signed and in camp. The Bears will let him go next offseason and turn the reins over to Jamar Williams or Michael Okwo. Both very athletic Will linebackers that, like Briggs, were third round picks.

-The resigning of Charles Tillman and Nathan Vasher before they hit the marker next offseason. He signed both of them to .8 million more per year than Nate Clements.

-Drafting players in the draft that will contribute right away to this Super Bowl runner-up.

-Greg Olsen will give the Bears the best TE option since......Ditka. At 6-5 and running a 4.5, he will help everyone on offense.

-Dan Bazuin gives the Bears another pass rusher with a relentless motor. This is a guy that was needed during the last half of the season to give Wale and Brown a breather.

-Garrett Wolfe is already making headlines in practice because of his quickness, speed, and playmaking ability outof the backfield. He has great hands and will be the best 3rd down RB the Bears have had since Robert Green or Dennis Gentry.

-He signed all of his draft picks before camp started and the first team to sign a 1st round pick.

-Traded away Thomas Jones, who is not as talented or as good of a fit for the Bears running scheme, for Garrett Wolfe, Dan Bazuin, and a 2008 3rd round pick.

-Let Ron Rivera go, who while a very talented D-coordinator, couldn't adjust in the playoffs (see the Panthers and Colts playoff games) and isn't an ideal fit running Lovie's cover 2 scheme.

I think he does a fantastic job and doesn't get as much credit as he deserves.

- Anthony Adams is NOT an upgrade- Walker is overrated, but not a bad player. He breaks down alot, and Bears fans will be unhappy with him rather quickly.

- Archuleta should have retired 4 years ago.

- Briggs coming in was good.

- overpaid for average CB.

- Rookies might/might not cotribute

- Olsen may bust

- Wolfe is only viewed highliy in CHI

- ooh, he did his JOB wow!

- Lost the teams only good RB, and left an oft injured unproven overrated player to shoulder (no pun intended) the load

- Lost a really good DC, and replace him with

- Didn't address team's biggest need at QB

No one should be crowing about the Bears GM. He has NOT upgraded the team at all this season. However, if Grossman becomes anything less than terribly erratic, I'm sure the GM will get a ton of credit.

How you can look at those moves and say he has not upgraded the team is asinine. - Anthony Adams was never brought in to be anything but a decent backup, which he should be. - so how does this make Amgelo GM f the Year?

- Walker is a great addition. You're definitely in the minority if you think otherwise. You probably also were one of those saying that the Bears D "won't be the same without Tank Johnson". Tank was an average player, who by the way, was a big reason why they yielded nearly 200 rushing yards to the Colts in the Super Bowl. Walker is undoubtedly an upgrade here. - Didn't say he wasn't, just no that big of one

- Archuleta is definitely past his prime, but he could still be decent helping the run from the safety position in this defense. Plus the Bears have a few other very solid safeties who will contribute, or step in should need be. - so why wast emoney bringing in a guy like Archuleta

- Briggs situation couldn't have turned out better for the Bears in the end. - agreed- but it's Angelo's job, nothing amazing

- "Average CBs" - Vasher and Tillman aren't necessary All Pro shut down corners, but they're both close, and getting better. (Also, age 25 and 26, respectively)- again, his job, nothign special

- "Rookies might/might not contribute" - Wow! What a startling revelation here. - so you can't argue that he's deserving of GM of Year until we see how they pan out

- "Olsen may bust" - Again. Great analysis. - then don't argue he should be GM of the year for it

- Wolfe is a question mark, as I think they may have reached for him a bit, but I don't doubt Jerry's drafting ability, as he's shown time and again to get great value overall with a lot of players. - yep, a reach

- Signing the picks before camp - yes he did his job, and did it quite well here. - still just his job

- "Lost the teams only good RB" - Did you think Jones was a good RB until he hit Chicago? I'd be willing to bet you were on board labeling him as a bust a few years back. Excellent O-lines can make a lot a middle-of-the-road RBs look good (see Denver). -actually when Jones went to CHI most in the fantasy community recognized he was a great RB and had him pegged as a sleeper/steal

- Yes, Rivera was a very good D coordinator, but the failure to adjust in the playoffs and the fact that his scheme did not agree with Lovie's are both very good points. We'll have to wait and see how this turns out. - so again, no means to determine he's GM of the year

- QB does remain a big question mark, but this team doesn't need a star QB to take them far. The cornerstone is their stifling defense. They just need a QB that can manage the game, and limit mistakes. Grossman will need to show he can do that consistently, and he'll have a much shorter leash with which to do that this year. Can Griese or Orton take over if need be? I'm skeptical too, but I'm still optimistic about Grossman. He showed some very good qualities at times, and if he can figure out how to not implode, he'll be a very solid QB. - true, but they needed to do more to address this situation

You're arguing against the wrong poster. I'm not the one that claimed Angelo already deserves GM of the year (although he just might by season's end). I'm the one refuting your claim that Angelo has not improved the team in the off-season. You should read the first line of my post again:How you can look at those moves and say he has not upgraded the team is asinine.

By the way, "actually when Jones went to CHI most in the fantasy community recognized he was a great RB and had him pegged as a sleeper/steal". Talk about revisionist history. Please provide a link to a thread anywhere where YOU claimed he was a "great RB". He was largely viewed as a bust after his 3 years in Arizona, and showed improvement in TB only in the final 4 games or so of the '03 season. There were some that considered him somewhat of a sleeper candidate because of his late run in Tampa, but most were still second-guessing the move for the Bears back then and thought he would never have a big impact anywhere.



I don't understand why you're so bent on bashing Angelo when he's vastly improved the team in recent years, far exceeding anyones expectations last year in particular. The moves he's made this off-season show that he's committed to trying to keep the Bears as a top contender. Personally, I don't care if he's GM of the year or not, as long as he does what he can to improve the team, and the success of the last couple years continues. I think he's done his part.

Because he is just a biased Bear hater....success always does that. Must be a packer fan.

Uh... nope. Nice try though.Funny how if someone has an objective opinion, it must be that they hate the team.

Has Angelo beena good GM since he took over? For sure.

Do any, even ONE, of his moves this season stand out as above average? No.

That's all.

 

[Sweetness_34]

It continued today with the trade for Darwin Walker. He will provide depth and experience to a young DT rotation. He is 6-3 294 and perfect for the Bears gap penetrating scheme. The only hang up would be his contract, which I am sure would be worked out.

Angelo has added players that fit the Bears scheme all offseason.

-Anthony Adams is a quicker version of Ian Scott.

-Lose Tank Johnson, which I totally respect the Bears organization for outright cutting him. Then they add Darwin Walker(see above) to replace him.

-Adam Archuleta knows the system from his days with Lovie and is a great calculated risk. Considering all Safteys are returning except Todd Johnson, why not bring in a player that had his best days in Lovie's system with the Rams.

-Lance Briggs situation. He is signed and in camp. The Bears will let him go next offseason and turn the reins over to Jamar Williams or Michael Okwo. Both very athletic Will linebackers that, like Briggs, were third round picks.

-The resigning of Charles Tillman and Nathan Vasher before they hit the marker next offseason. He signed both of them to .8 million more per year than Nate Clements.

-Drafting players in the draft that will contribute right away to this Super Bowl runner-up.

-Greg Olsen will give the Bears the best TE option since......Ditka. At 6-5 and running a 4.5, he will help everyone on offense.

-Dan Bazuin gives the Bears another pass rusher with a relentless motor. This is a guy that was needed during the last half of the season to give Wale and Brown a breather.

-Garrett Wolfe is already making headlines in practice because of his quickness, speed, and playmaking ability outof the backfield. He has great hands and will be the best 3rd down RB the Bears have had since Robert Green or Dennis Gentry.

-He signed all of his draft picks before camp started and the first team to sign a 1st round pick.

-Traded away Thomas Jones, who is not as talented or as good of a fit for the Bears running scheme, for Garrett Wolfe, Dan Bazuin, and a 2008 3rd round pick.

-Let Ron Rivera go, who while a very talented D-coordinator, couldn't adjust in the playoffs (see the Panthers and Colts playoff games) and isn't an ideal fit running Lovie's cover 2 scheme.

I think he does a fantastic job and doesn't get as much credit as he deserves.

- Anthony Adams is NOT an upgrade- Walker is overrated, but not a bad player. He breaks down alot, and Bears fans will be unhappy with him rather quickly.

- Archuleta should have retired 4 years ago.

- Briggs coming in was good.

- overpaid for average CB.

- Rookies might/might not cotribute

- Olsen may bust

- Wolfe is only viewed highliy in CHI

- ooh, he did his JOB wow!

- Lost the teams only good RB, and left an oft injured unproven overrated player to shoulder (no pun intended) the load

- Lost a really good DC, and replace him with

- Didn't address team's biggest need at QB

No one should be crowing about the Bears GM. He has NOT upgraded the team at all this season. However, if Grossman becomes anything less than terribly erratic, I'm sure the GM will get a ton of credit.

How you can look at those moves and say he has not upgraded the team is asinine. - Anthony Adams was never brought in to be anything but a decent backup, which he should be. - so how does this make Amgelo GM f the Year?

- Walker is a great addition. You're definitely in the minority if you think otherwise. You probably also were one of those saying that the Bears D "won't be the same without Tank Johnson". Tank was an average player, who by the way, was a big reason why they yielded nearly 200 rushing yards to the Colts in the Super Bowl. Walker is undoubtedly an upgrade here. - Didn't say he wasn't, just no that big of one

- Archuleta is definitely past his prime, but he could still be decent helping the run from the safety position in this defense. Plus the Bears have a few other very solid safeties who will contribute, or step in should need be. - so why wast emoney bringing in a guy like Archuleta

- Briggs situation couldn't have turned out better for the Bears in the end. - agreed- but it's Angelo's job, nothing amazing

- "Average CBs" - Vasher and Tillman aren't necessary All Pro shut down corners, but they're both close, and getting better. (Also, age 25 and 26, respectively)- again, his job, nothign special

- "Rookies might/might not contribute" - Wow! What a startling revelation here. - so you can't argue that he's deserving of GM of Year until we see how they pan out

- "Olsen may bust" - Again. Great analysis. - then don't argue he should be GM of the year for it

- Wolfe is a question mark, as I think they may have reached for him a bit, but I don't doubt Jerry's drafting ability, as he's shown time and again to get great value overall with a lot of players. - yep, a reach

- Signing the picks before camp - yes he did his job, and did it quite well here. - still just his job

- "Lost the teams only good RB" - Did you think Jones was a good RB until he hit Chicago? I'd be willing to bet you were on board labeling him as a bust a few years back. Excellent O-lines can make a lot a middle-of-the-road RBs look good (see Denver). -actually when Jones went to CHI most in the fantasy community recognized he was a great RB and had him pegged as a sleeper/steal

- Yes, Rivera was a very good D coordinator, but the failure to adjust in the playoffs and the fact that his scheme did not agree with Lovie's are both very good points. We'll have to wait and see how this turns out. - so again, no means to determine he's GM of the year

- QB does remain a big question mark, but this team doesn't need a star QB to take them far. The cornerstone is their stifling defense. They just need a QB that can manage the game, and limit mistakes. Grossman will need to show he can do that consistently, and he'll have a much shorter leash with which to do that this year. Can Griese or Orton take over if need be? I'm skeptical too, but I'm still optimistic about Grossman. He showed some very good qualities at times, and if he can figure out how to not implode, he'll be a very solid QB. - true, but they needed to do more to address this situation

You're arguing against the wrong poster. I'm not the one that claimed Angelo already deserves GM of the year (although he just might by season's end). I'm the one refuting your claim that Angelo has not improved the team in the off-season. You should read the first line of my post again:How you can look at those moves and say he has not upgraded the team is asinine.

By the way, "actually when Jones went to CHI most in the fantasy community recognized he was a great RB and had him pegged as a sleeper/steal". Talk about revisionist history. Please provide a link to a thread anywhere where YOU claimed he was a "great RB". He was largely viewed as a bust after his 3 years in Arizona, and showed improvement in TB only in the final 4 games or so of the '03 season. There were some that considered him somewhat of a sleeper candidate because of his late run in Tampa, but most were still second-guessing the move for the Bears back then and thought he would never have a big impact anywhere.



I don't understand why you're so bent on bashing Angelo when he's vastly improved the team in recent years, far exceeding anyones expectations last year in particular. The moves he's made this off-season show that he's committed to trying to keep the Bears as a top contender. Personally, I don't care if he's GM of the year or not, as long as he does what he can to improve the team, and the success of the last couple years continues. I think he's done his part.

Because he is just a biased Bear hater....success always does that. Must be a packer fan.

Uh... nope. Nice try though.Funny how if someone has an objective opinion, it must be that they hate the team.

Has Angelo beena good GM since he took over? For sure.

Do any, even ONE, of his moves this season stand out as above average? No.

That's all.

Can you give one example of what Angelo could have done that you would define as above average? I cannot see anything given the team's priorities.

 

[Monsters of the Midway]

Has Angelo beena good GM since he took over? For sure.Do any, even ONE, of his moves this season stand out as above average? No.

I think that some moves have the potential to be very good but none are earthshattering right now.I think that the Walker trade was very smart and they seemingly gave up nothing for him. Archuleta could pay off too at the price of a 5th rounder. I actually liked the Jones trade but that's no steal for the team in 2007.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Chime in on Darwin Walker.

Average at best. Disappears for long stretches of games. Horrible against the run. Gets his sacks in bunches. As a 3rd or 4th Tackle he's good.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

It continued today with the trade for Darwin Walker. He will provide depth and experience to a young DT rotation. He is 6-3 294 and perfect for the Bears gap penetrating scheme. The only hang up would be his contract, which I am sure would be worked out.

Angelo has added players that fit the Bears scheme all offseason.

-Anthony Adams is a quicker version of Ian Scott.

-Lose Tank Johnson, which I totally respect the Bears organization for outright cutting him. Then they add Darwin Walker(see above) to replace him.

-Adam Archuleta knows the system from his days with Lovie and is a great calculated risk. Considering all Safteys are returning except Todd Johnson, why not bring in a player that had his best days in Lovie's system with the Rams.

-Lance Briggs situation. He is signed and in camp. The Bears will let him go next offseason and turn the reins over to Jamar Williams or Michael Okwo. Both very athletic Will linebackers that, like Briggs, were third round picks.

-The resigning of Charles Tillman and Nathan Vasher before they hit the marker next offseason. He signed both of them to .8 million more per year than Nate Clements.

-Drafting players in the draft that will contribute right away to this Super Bowl runner-up.

-Greg Olsen will give the Bears the best TE option since......Ditka. At 6-5 and running a 4.5, he will help everyone on offense.

-Dan Bazuin gives the Bears another pass rusher with a relentless motor. This is a guy that was needed during the last half of the season to give Wale and Brown a breather.

-Garrett Wolfe is already making headlines in practice because of his quickness, speed, and playmaking ability outof the backfield. He has great hands and will be the best 3rd down RB the Bears have had since Robert Green or Dennis Gentry.

-He signed all of his draft picks before camp started and the first team to sign a 1st round pick.

-Traded away Thomas Jones, who is not as talented or as good of a fit for the Bears running scheme, for Garrett Wolfe, Dan Bazuin, and a 2008 3rd round pick.

-Let Ron Rivera go, who while a very talented D-coordinator, couldn't adjust in the playoffs (see the Panthers and Colts playoff games) and isn't an ideal fit running Lovie's cover 2 scheme.

I think he does a fantastic job and doesn't get as much credit as he deserves.

- Anthony Adams is NOT an upgrade- Walker is overrated, but not a bad player. He breaks down alot, and Bears fans will be unhappy with him rather quickly.

- Archuleta should have retired 4 years ago.

- Briggs coming in was good.

- overpaid for average CB.

- Rookies might/might not cotribute

- Olsen may bust

- Wolfe is only viewed highliy in CHI

- ooh, he did his JOB wow!

- Lost the teams only good RB, and left an oft injured unproven overrated player to shoulder (no pun intended) the load

- Lost a really good DC, and replace him with

- Didn't address team's biggest need at QB

No one should be crowing about the Bears GM. He has NOT upgraded the team at all this season. However, if Grossman becomes anything less than terribly erratic, I'm sure the GM will get a ton of credit.

How you can look at those moves and say he has not upgraded the team is asinine. - Anthony Adams was never brought in to be anything but a decent backup, which he should be. - so how does this make Amgelo GM f the Year?

- Walker is a great addition. You're definitely in the minority if you think otherwise. You probably also were one of those saying that the Bears D "won't be the same without Tank Johnson". Tank was an average player, who by the way, was a big reason why they yielded nearly 200 rushing yards to the Colts in the Super Bowl. Walker is undoubtedly an upgrade here. - Didn't say he wasn't, just no that big of one

- Archuleta is definitely past his prime, but he could still be decent helping the run from the safety position in this defense. Plus the Bears have a few other very solid safeties who will contribute, or step in should need be. - so why wast emoney bringing in a guy like Archuleta

- Briggs situation couldn't have turned out better for the Bears in the end. - agreed- but it's Angelo's job, nothing amazing

- "Average CBs" - Vasher and Tillman aren't necessary All Pro shut down corners, but they're both close, and getting better. (Also, age 25 and 26, respectively)- again, his job, nothign special

- "Rookies might/might not contribute" - Wow! What a startling revelation here. - so you can't argue that he's deserving of GM of Year until we see how they pan out

- "Olsen may bust" - Again. Great analysis. - then don't argue he should be GM of the year for it

- Wolfe is a question mark, as I think they may have reached for him a bit, but I don't doubt Jerry's drafting ability, as he's shown time and again to get great value overall with a lot of players. - yep, a reach

- Signing the picks before camp - yes he did his job, and did it quite well here. - still just his job

- "Lost the teams only good RB" - Did you think Jones was a good RB until he hit Chicago? I'd be willing to bet you were on board labeling him as a bust a few years back. Excellent O-lines can make a lot a middle-of-the-road RBs look good (see Denver). -actually when Jones went to CHI most in the fantasy community recognized he was a great RB and had him pegged as a sleeper/steal

- Yes, Rivera was a very good D coordinator, but the failure to adjust in the playoffs and the fact that his scheme did not agree with Lovie's are both very good points. We'll have to wait and see how this turns out. - so again, no means to determine he's GM of the year

- QB does remain a big question mark, but this team doesn't need a star QB to take them far. The cornerstone is their stifling defense. They just need a QB that can manage the game, and limit mistakes. Grossman will need to show he can do that consistently, and he'll have a much shorter leash with which to do that this year. Can Griese or Orton take over if need be? I'm skeptical too, but I'm still optimistic about Grossman. He showed some very good qualities at times, and if he can figure out how to not implode, he'll be a very solid QB. - true, but they needed to do more to address this situation

You're arguing against the wrong poster. I'm not the one that claimed Angelo already deserves GM of the year (although he just might by season's end). I'm the one refuting your claim that Angelo has not improved the team in the off-season. You should read the first line of my post again:How you can look at those moves and say he has not upgraded the team is asinine.

By the way, "actually when Jones went to CHI most in the fantasy community recognized he was a great RB and had him pegged as a sleeper/steal". Talk about revisionist history. Please provide a link to a thread anywhere where YOU claimed he was a "great RB". He was largely viewed as a bust after his 3 years in Arizona, and showed improvement in TB only in the final 4 games or so of the '03 season. There were some that considered him somewhat of a sleeper candidate because of his late run in Tampa, but most were still second-guessing the move for the Bears back then and thought he would never have a big impact anywhere.



I don't understand why you're so bent on bashing Angelo when he's vastly improved the team in recent years, far exceeding anyones expectations last year in particular. The moves he's made this off-season show that he's committed to trying to keep the Bears as a top contender. Personally, I don't care if he's GM of the year or not, as long as he does what he can to improve the team, and the success of the last couple years continues. I think he's done his part.

Because he is just a biased Bear hater....success always does that. Must be a packer fan.

Uh... nope. Nice try though.Funny how if someone has an objective opinion, it must be that they hate the team.

Has Angelo beena good GM since he took over? For sure.

Do any, even ONE, of his moves this season stand out as above average? No.

That's all.

Really?You obviously are hating on the Bears in this thread.

Then in the training camp thread, you have hated on Grossman and Benson.

Then in the Why I love Thomas Jones thread....you again bash Benson.

I see a trend.

As far as moves that are above average.

1st Gm to sign his 1st round pick.

All of his draft picks were signed and in camp when it started.

He got Lance Briggs into camp....could be one of the biggest things he has done.

Addressed needs this offseason, with players that can contribute right away.

Extends contracts of pro bowler and another solid CB for the price of one CB this past offseason.

Dealt with the Tank Johnson situation brilliantly and then brought in Darwin Walker, cheaply.

Thats only some of them, but clearly every other GM does this on a regular basis.

 

[PsychoMan]

Really?You obviously are hating on the Bears in this thread.Then in the training camp thread, you have hated on Grossman and Benson.Then in the Why I love Thomas Jones thread....you again bash Benson.I see a trend.As far as moves that are above average.1st Gm to sign his 1st round pick.All of his draft picks were signed and in camp when it started.He got Lance Briggs into camp....could be one of the biggest things he has done.Addressed needs this offseason, with players that can contribute right away.Extends contracts of pro bowler and another solid CB for the price of one CB this past offseason.Dealt with the Tank Johnson situation brilliantly and then brought in Darwin Walker, cheaply.Thats only some of them, but clearly every other GM does this on a regular basis.

Give it up man! Some people just don't see it, although I completely agree with you ...

 

[rascal]

eh...their d-line is worse

eh...sorry but

okay???

Please elaborate on how their d-line is worse and I'll check back in to refute.TIA

Well for one I am not impressed with Walker at all. He is good against the pass, but he flat out sucks against the run. I wouldn't mind him coming in on passing situations, but as a full time starter I wouldn't feel real comfortable about it.

 

[switz]

Because he is just a biased Bear hater....success always does that. Must be a packer fan.

Uh... nope. Nice try though.Funny how if someone has an objective opinion, it must be that they hate the team.

Has Angelo beena good GM since he took over? For sure.

Do any, even ONE, of his moves this season stand out as above average? No.

That's all.

Really?You obviously are hating on the Bears in this thread.

Then in the training camp thread, you have hated on Grossman and Benson. <-- hated on Benson? If saying no one's sure hw the RBs will play out is hating... and Grossman is extremely erratic, if pointing out the obvious is hating...

Then in the Why I love Thomas Jones thread....you again bash Benson.<-- huh?

I see a trend.

As far as moves that are above average.

1st Gm to sign his 1st round pick.

All of his draft picks were signed and in camp when it started.

He got Lance Briggs into camp....could be one of the biggest things he has done.<-- it was a good move

Addressed needs this offseason, with players that can contribute right away.<-- I disagree with the contribute right away part, I think you are being overly optimistic

Extends contracts of pro bowler and another solid CB for the price of one CB this past offseason.<-- after looking at DB salaries, yes that was very good

Dealt with the Tank Johnson situation brilliantly and then brought in Darwin Walker, cheaply.<-- Darwin Walker sucks, as someone whose seen him since college, he's never measured up to potential

Thats only some of them, but clearly every other GM does this on a regular basis.<-- yes a number of GMs are very good, that's why they have jobs

 

[PsychoMan]

eh...their d-line is worse

eh...sorry but

okay???

Please elaborate on how their d-line is worse and I'll check back in to refute.TIA

Well for one I am not impressed with Walker at all. He is good against the pass, but he flat out sucks against the run. I wouldn't mind him coming in on passing situations, but as a full time starter I wouldn't feel real comfortable about it.

I have heard mixed reviews on Walker. What I do know is he has racked up a decent amount of sacks over the last 5 seasons. I'll be curious to see him play.What I'm saying is their D-line as a whole has improved. Let's look at the DE & DT positions.Last year, they rotated three main defensive ends: Alex Brown, Adewale Ogunleye, and Mark Anderson.They still have vets Alex Brown and Adewale. They also still have Mark Anderson, but with a year of experience under his belt. In fact, as of right now, he's stolen the starting job from Alex Brown. They also drafted Dan Bazuin in the 2nd round of the draft. This was not their biggest need, but they repeatedly said they went for best player available. They are obviously very high on him. The status of their defensive ends has definitely improved.Last year they had starter stud Tommie Harris for most of the season. This year they still do. Last year they had Tank Johnson starting alongside him. This year they do not. Tank was pretty good, but not that good. He is replacable. They lost another DT, Ian Scott, who wasn't good. They've acquired Anthony Adams and Darwin Walker. Two guys who IMO are at least as good as Tank & Ian. They also have Dusty Dvoracek back this year (last year was his rookie year and he was on IR all season). They're saying Dusty has a good shot at starting alongside Tommie. You could argue that the DT position is a wash, but I believe having Adams, Walker & Dusty is better than Tank & Scott.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

eh...their d-line is worse

eh...sorry but

okay???

Please elaborate on how their d-line is worse and I'll check back in to refute.TIA

Well for one I am not impressed with Walker at all. He is good against the pass, but he flat out sucks against the run. I wouldn't mind him coming in on passing situations, but as a full time starter I wouldn't feel real comfortable about it.

I have heard mixed reviews on Walker. What I do know is he has racked up a decent amount of sacks over the last 5 seasons. I'll be curious to see him play.What I'm saying is their D-line as a whole has improved. Let's look at the DE & DT positions.Last year, they rotated three main defensive ends: Alex Brown, Adewale Ogunleye, and Mark Anderson.They still have vets Alex Brown and Adewale. They also still have Mark Anderson, but with a year of experience under his belt. In fact, as of right now, he's stolen the starting job from Alex Brown. They also drafted Dan Bazuin in the 2nd round of the draft. This was not their biggest need, but they repeatedly said they went for best player available. They are obviously very high on him. The status of their defensive ends has definitely improved.Last year they had starter stud Tommie Harris for most of the season. This year they still do. Last year they had Tank Johnson starting alongside him. This year they do not. Tank was pretty good, but not that good. He is replacable. They lost another DT, Ian Scott, who wasn't good. They've acquired Anthony Adams and Darwin Walker. Two guys who IMO are at least as good as Tank & Ian. They also have Dusty Dvoracek back this year (last year was his rookie year and he was on IR all season). They're saying Dusty has a good shot at starting alongside Tommie. You could argue that the DT position is a wash, but I believe having Adams, Walker & Dusty is better than Tank & Scott.

Walker has the fourth highest total for sacks (26.5) at the DT position from the past 5 years.I think one of the main problems with the Bears Dline at the end of seasons is wearing down.Now with Dan Bazuin at end, there is a four man rotation of pass rushers.Adding a pass rusher like Walker in the middle, to go along with Tommie Harris, Dusty who I think fits the scheme well, and Anthony Adams.That should keep them fresh all season long.Also dont for get about Israel odonjie. He is a tweener De/DT, that the bears matched another teams offer last offseason when he was a RFA.

 

[Sweetness_34]

eh...their d-line is worse

eh...sorry but

okay???

Please elaborate on how their d-line is worse and I'll check back in to refute.TIA

Well for one I am not impressed with Walker at all. He is good against the pass, but he flat out sucks against the run. I wouldn't mind him coming in on passing situations, but as a full time starter I wouldn't feel real comfortable about it.

Again, keep showing you are clueless. Bears rotate every DL.....there is no real starter and back up in Chicago. Go look at the box scores and the # of snaps played by the Bears DL men....so he is not going to be a full time starter.....he will rotate with Harris, Dusty and Adams.....and all four of them FIT THE SYSTEM.....which is overlooked all the time by novices like you

 

[Sweetness_34]

Because he is just a biased Bear hater....success always does that. Must be a packer fan.

Uh... nope. Nice try though.Funny how if someone has an objective opinion, it must be that they hate the team.

Has Angelo beena good GM since he took over? For sure.

Do any, even ONE, of his moves this season stand out as above average? No.

That's all.

Really?You obviously are hating on the Bears in this thread.

Then in the training camp thread, you have hated on Grossman and Benson. <-- hated on Benson? If saying no one's sure hw the RBs will play out is hating... and Grossman is extremely erratic, if pointing out the obvious is hating...

Then in the Why I love Thomas Jones thread....you again bash Benson.<-- huh?

I see a trend.

As far as moves that are above average.

1st Gm to sign his 1st round pick.

All of his draft picks were signed and in camp when it started.

He got Lance Briggs into camp....could be one of the biggest things he has done.<-- it was a good move

Addressed needs this offseason, with players that can contribute right away.<-- I disagree with the contribute right away part, I think you are being overly optimistic

Extends contracts of pro bowler and another solid CB for the price of one CB this past offseason.<-- after looking at DB salaries, yes that was very good

Dealt with the Tank Johnson situation brilliantly and then brought in Darwin Walker, cheaply.<-- Darwin Walker sucks, as someone whose seen him since college, he's never measured up to potential

Thats only some of them, but clearly every other GM does this on a regular basis.<-- yes a number of GMs are very good, that's why they have jobs

Addressed needs this offseason, with players that can contribute right away.<-- I disagree with the contribute right away part, I think you are being overly optimistic===============

So you do not think Archuleta and Walker will play from the 1st game on? Quit your blind hatred ....

 

[rascal]

eh...their d-line is worse

eh...sorry but

okay???

Please elaborate on how their d-line is worse and I'll check back in to refute.TIA

Well for one I am not impressed with Walker at all. He is good against the pass, but he flat out sucks against the run. I wouldn't mind him coming in on passing situations, but as a full time starter I wouldn't feel real comfortable about it.

I have heard mixed reviews on Walker. What I do know is he has racked up a decent amount of sacks over the last 5 seasons. I'll be curious to see him play.What I'm saying is their D-line as a whole has improved. Let's look at the DE & DT positions.Last year, they rotated three main defensive ends: Alex Brown, Adewale Ogunleye, and Mark Anderson.They still have vets Alex Brown and Adewale. They also still have Mark Anderson, but with a year of experience under his belt. In fact, as of right now, he's stolen the starting job from Alex Brown. They also drafted Dan Bazuin in the 2nd round of the draft. This was not their biggest need, but they repeatedly said they went for best player available. They are obviously very high on him. The status of their defensive ends has definitely improved.Last year they had starter stud Tommie Harris for most of the season. This year they still do. Last year they had Tank Johnson starting alongside him. This year they do not. Tank was pretty good, but not that good. He is replacable. They lost another DT, Ian Scott, who wasn't good. They've acquired Anthony Adams and Darwin Walker. Two guys who IMO are at least as good as Tank & Ian. They also have Dusty Dvoracek back this year (last year was his rookie year and he was on IR all season). They're saying Dusty has a good shot at starting alongside Tommie. You could argue that the DT position is a wash, but I believe having Adams, Walker & Dusty is better than Tank & Scott.

Well I don't consider staying the status quo has a good job by the GM personally (see DE position), and they would have been better served not taking Bazuin and taking a DT IMO.Plus, getting somebody back from injury doesn't constitute a good job either. And regardless of his sack numbers, I still don't think Adams and Walker are better then Tank and Scott so that hurts their rotational depth and starting quality. Now they will be better against the pass, but definetly not against the rush IMO. Hopefully for you guys Adams or Dvoracek steps up on rushing downs, or Walker gets a swift kick in the ###, and Harris also returns 100%.

 

[GroveDiesel]

5 years and reportedly $25M for Darwin Walker. Now it just remains to be seen how much of it is guaranteed.

 

[switz]

Addressed needs this offseason, with players that can contribute right away.<-- I disagree with the contribute right away part, I think you are being overly optimistic

===============

So you do not think Archuleta and Walker will play from the 1st game on? Quit your blind hatred ....

I was replying to the original post about rookies contributing right away.However, I believe Archuleta and Walker will both be rotated in and out. I do not think either will be a full time starter. If the 5 for 25 is ture, Walker is way overpaid. But it may be set up as a one year deal.

Anyway, I may have been a bit overly passionate in this thread, I just don't think Angelo - this offseason - has done anything amazing. Like I said before though, since he's taken over the Bears he's done an excellent job.

I do think the loss of TJ will hurt the team more than all the other moves combined help it. I know Bears fans feel differently. But the Bills fans also dissed McGahee when he was traded, while the rest of the NFL knows McGahee is still a very good back. I think Beras fans may not appreciate how good TJ was. I know Benson performed adequately in limited duty, but he hasn't been able to stay healthy yet, and YPC tends to go down in larger samples. So I really think the running game is going to suffer, and that won't help out Grossman, who is erratic at best. So overall it hurts the team.

 

[Power Monster]

Can we get past the "Bear's fans never respected what TJ did for them" redundancy?

The guy wanted out of Chicago and he goes to NYC to play for a team that was a playoff team last year. We have a top pick in Benson waiting in the wings. Sure I loved TJ. Sure I respected his game. Sure I wish he was on the team but that is not the case. He is gone. This is the business side of the NFL. TJ was respected by being sent out to a playoff team. We could have sent him packing to a lousy team but he was taken care of and he will do well. We will live and die with Benson this year. PERIOD. If he stays healthy and the OL is healthy he will play well. If not- then Angelo was wrong. I guess he was wrong for trying to fill in pieces of the defense that were missing. He made the moves and now the team has to go forward. Some of you guys can sit here and split hairs about every little thing but the team is locked and loaded. Get on the bus or hit the road and jump on someone else’s bandwagon…..

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

The deal for Darwin Walker is a one year deal for $1.9 million.

The Bears will cut him before March 5th of next year.

Another great move by Jerry Angelo.

BEARS GOT A GREAT DEAL ON DARWIN

A league source tells us that the new contract signed by Bears defensive tackle Darwin Walker is, in essence, a one-year deal with a team option on four more.

Walker will make a base salary of $1.9 million in 2007, a $600,000 increase over what he was due to earn in his prior contract.

In March, a $5 million option bonus comes due. The only way that the Bears can avoid it is to cut him before then.

Years two through four average roughly $3.5 million per year, with the option bonus included in that number. The fifth year, per the source, is a sham -- which means that it likely carries an unrealistically high salary.

So, for the Bears, they get a one-year test drive with Walker. If they like what they see, they pay the $5 million and pick up the balance of a pretty reasonable deal, especially in a market that has made guys we'd never heard of into multi-millionaires. If the Bears don't like Walker, they walk away.

It also has been reported that the fifth-round deal that the Bears gave to Buffalo for Walker can upgrade to a fourth-rounder based on the number of snaps that Walker takes this year.

 

[switz]

The deal for Darwin Walker is a one year deal for $1.9 million.The Bears will cut him before March 5th of next year.Another great move by Jerry Angelo.BEARS GOT A GREAT DEAL ON DARWINA league source tells us that the new contract signed by Bears defensive tackle Darwin Walker is, in essence, a one-year deal with a team option on four more.Walker will make a base salary of $1.9 million in 2007, a $600,000 increase over what he was due to earn in his prior contract.In March, a $5 million option bonus comes due. The only way that the Bears can avoid it is to cut him before then.Years two through four average roughly $3.5 million per year, with the option bonus included in that number. The fifth year, per the source, is a sham -- which means that it likely carries an unrealistically high salary.So, for the Bears, they get a one-year test drive with Walker. If they like what they see, they pay the $5 million and pick up the balance of a pretty reasonable deal, especially in a market that has made guys we'd never heard of into multi-millionaires. If the Bears don't like Walker, they walk away.It also has been reported that the fifth-round deal that the Bears gave to Buffalo for Walker can upgrade to a fourth-rounder based on the number of snaps that Walker takes this year.

That's kinda what I expected as mentioned in one of my earlier posts. Walker will be good in the rotation for a season, but I don't think Bears fans will be enthralled with him by season's end.If the Bills get a 4th for him, Marv Levy will look like a genius, because Walker is not worth a 4th anymore IMO.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

The deal for Darwin Walker is a one year deal for $1.9 million.The Bears will cut him before March 5th of next year.Another great move by Jerry Angelo.BEARS GOT A GREAT DEAL ON DARWINA league source tells us that the new contract signed by Bears defensive tackle Darwin Walker is, in essence, a one-year deal with a team option on four more.Walker will make a base salary of $1.9 million in 2007, a $600,000 increase over what he was due to earn in his prior contract.In March, a $5 million option bonus comes due. The only way that the Bears can avoid it is to cut him before then.Years two through four average roughly $3.5 million per year, with the option bonus included in that number. The fifth year, per the source, is a sham -- which means that it likely carries an unrealistically high salary.So, for the Bears, they get a one-year test drive with Walker. If they like what they see, they pay the $5 million and pick up the balance of a pretty reasonable deal, especially in a market that has made guys we'd never heard of into multi-millionaires. If the Bears don't like Walker, they walk away.It also has been reported that the fifth-round deal that the Bears gave to Buffalo for Walker can upgrade to a fourth-rounder based on the number of snaps that Walker takes this year.

That's kinda what I expected as mentioned in one of my earlier posts. Walker will be good in the rotation for a season, but I don't think Bears fans will be enthralled with him by season's end.If the Bills get a 4th for him, Marv Levy will look like a genius, because Walker is not worth a 4th anymore IMO.

The Bears already have an extra 3rd round pick in next years draft, so even if it is a 4th...it wouldn't be a big deal.If the Bears can get one good season from Walker, that is all they need. They will cut him, along with Fred Miller, Moose, and perhaps Adewale Ogenlye. Then Dusty Dvorchek will be ready and they will draft another DT next year.

 

[RudeDog]

eh...their d-line is worse

eh...sorry but

okay???

Please elaborate on how their d-line is worse and I'll check back in to refute.TIA

Well for one I am not impressed with Walker at all. He is good against the pass, but he flat out sucks against the run. I wouldn't mind him coming in on passing situations, but as a full time starter I wouldn't feel real comfortable about it.

Hey rascal, how's it going ?One thing for certain..... Walker has never played next to a talent like Tommie. 2nd tier defensive line players can go to the Pro Bowl by living off the work of a talented teammate. I think he'll be a great addition since Tommie will keep the opposing O-line occupied

 

[Nookular Power]

Bears just traded Chris Harris for an undisclosed 2008 pick: link.

My guess would be a 6th or 7th -- he's a decent back-up, no more. Looks like the Bears are confident in AA/M. Brown starting, D. Manning and the rooks backing up, at safety this year. Lots of health issues with the top 2 guys, but maybe Manning and the rookies (can't recall the names at the moment) are impressing. To contribute to the theme of the thread...I'm a huge Bears fan and Angelo backer, but I'd agree it may be premature to call him exec of the year. I'm glad he's on our side, though -- he drafts well and has done a good job of getting the rooks in on-time while locking up key vets at reasonable prices. This move one of the little ones that add up over the long haul...

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Bears just traded Chris Harris for an undisclosed 2008 pick: link.

My guess would be a 6th or 7th -- he's a decent back-up, no more. Looks like the Bears are confident in AA/M. Brown starting, D. Manning and the rooks backing up, at safety this year. Lots of health issues with the top 2 guys, but maybe Manning and the rookies (can't recall the names at the moment) are impressing. To contribute to the theme of the thread...I'm a huge Bears fan and Angelo backer, but I'd agree it may be premature to call him exec of the year. I'm glad he's on our side, though -- he drafts well and has done a good job of getting the rooks in on-time while locking up key vets at reasonable prices. This move one of the little ones that add up over the long haul...

I believe this move was made for two reasonsOne, an overload of talented saftey's.

Two, Chris Harris is too slow. He was the man that got burned by Bush in the playoff game. In this defensive scheme, a S has to cover half the field and speed matters the most then.

 

[TitusIII]

There are only a handful of GM's on Angelo's level. As long as the McCaskey family keeps him happy, Chicago is in great shape for the long haul.